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責喔！好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：對航空公司來說，保八就是不虧損，華信航空大概是希望不虧損。"],["陳委員雪生：華信不是不虧損，華信的成本在7.5。"],["陳部長世凱：對啦！不虧損倒賺一點點這樣。"],["陳委員雪生：他的意思就是7.5，保八還賺0.5。"],["陳部長世凱：是。"],["陳委員雪生：部長，你也跟我講保七應該可以吧？不是保七總隊，是七成喔！"],["陳部長世凱：我覺得能夠達到七成已經是個很好的進展，我來跟他們溝通。"],["陳委員雪生：對，你華信也要去努力嘛！華信不能躺在床上賺錢啊！天底下沒有白吃的午餐。"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，華信現在都在虧錢，他們沒有賺錢。"],["陳委員雪生：還好吧！立榮有錢賺欸！他好好飛嘛！再努力一下，我們再協助他招攬觀光，你看陳其邁市長跟我們連江縣王忠銘縣長都已經答應了。"],["陳部長世凱：我們一起努力讓他的載客率不要只有七成，盡量再往上拉，但是縣政府保七已經是一個很大的進展。"],["陳委員雪生：你說這個，前天晚上我打電話給華航謝董事長，謝董事長說保七要找底下研究一下，因為華信的董事長是中華航空公司的總經理，所以我想抓要抓頭啊！你懂了沒有？"],["陳部長世凱：是。"],["陳委員雪生：所以我請謝董事長幫忙，謝董事長說要商量。"],["陳部長世凱：是，我也來協助溝通。"],["陳委員雪生：部長有沒有打電話給謝董事長？"],["陳部長世凱：有啦！有溝通，我會協助溝通。"],["陳委員雪生：你多打幾次電話給他嘛！因為謝董事長人也滿好的，你多講兩次他也會軟掉啦！我覺得他人不錯，尤其你部長的身分，你有權責可以把董事長換掉的，開什麼玩笑，你跟他打一通電話那還得了啊！"],["陳部長世凱：會啦！我跟謝董事長時常在溝通。"],["陳委員雪生：那就保七好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：我努力朝委員所指示的方向……"],["陳委員雪生：謝董事長說先飛一班，就是包機兩班以後先飛一班，那先飛一班的問題在哪裡？先飛一班的話，高雄的飛機飛過來，我們的人飛過去沒問題，但他要對接啊！所以我拜託馬防部指揮官，去的阿兵哥休假，坐這個飛機到高雄，休假幾天再坐這個飛機回到防區來。如果這樣搭配的話，一架也還好啦！不過時間應該是禮拜四、禮拜五、禮拜天，我希望能夠至少飛兩趟，至少一個禮拜飛兩架次，現在是三架次，最少固定航班開航以後，先飛兩架次。據何淑萍局長的講法，華信目前還沒有提出固定航班的申請，現在都已經12月幾號了還沒有提出申請，他還是需要差不多一個月的時間。所以我評估第三階段的包機，可能還要繼續啦！所以才拜託部長，觀光署你跟他講再拿200萬，好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：我請華信那邊盡量加速啦！可以朝正常航班那是比較好，也是委員期待的。"],["陳委員雪生：他龜速！他不是加速。"],["陳部長世凱：對，我請他加速。"],["陳委員雪生：加速他要虧本虧得快啊！他龜速啊！所以再請何局長盯一下。"],["陳部長世凱：好。"],["陳委員雪生：那你也跟何局長講，主持一個會議好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：好。"],["陳委員雪生：找中油、連江縣縣政府，縣長會親自來，那委員列席嘛！我也找許智傑委員一起列席，這個會議我希望一次啊！不要議而不決，我們一次開會，一定要到位，把這個事情弄好，部長好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：好。"],["陳委員雪生：包含200萬也好。"],["陳部長世凱：我們去溝通啦！"],["陳委員雪生：觀光署可以啦！部長跟署長講OK啦！不要說200萬，300萬他都會願意啦！等審預算的時候我們再來談好不好？現在談好像比較尷尬一點，沒有實質的動作。"],["陳部長世凱：不是，因為預算還沒過啦！所以我現在還不好說。"],["陳委員雪生：召委拜託你好不好？這個幫我弄一下好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：我們一起來努力啦！"],["陳委員雪生：你讓觀光署在我們腦袋裡面留下一個很好的印象，預算也比較好審，懂了沒有？加速預算審查的進行，刪減的一定會少，對不對？"],["陳部長世凱：是。"],["陳委員雪生：那部長拜託你了。"],["陳部長世凱：好。"],["陳委員雪生：第三階段的包機不能停止，然後接續固定航班，我今天質詢的主題就是這個，好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：好。"],["陳委員雪生：謝謝部長、謝謝召委。"],["陳部長世凱：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝陳委員。接下來有請邱若華委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":444,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-23-15","speakers":["魯明哲","李昆澤","林國成","林俊憲","陳素月","蔡其昌","游顥","何欣純","徐富癸","廖先翔","陳雪生","邱若華","楊瓊瓔","牛煦庭","許智傑","鍾佳濱","黃健豪"],"page_start":379,"meetingDate":["2024-12-16"],"gazette_id":"1140501","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1140501_00009"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第15次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請國家運輸安全調查委員會主任委員林信得列席報告業務概況，並備質詢；二、審查114\n年度中央政府總預算案關於國家運輸安全調查委員會單位預算；三、審查114年度中央政府總預\n算案關於交通部運輸研究所單位預算；四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部鐵道局及\n所屬單位預算；五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交\n通作業基金─鐵道發展基金分預算【僅進行詢答】","agenda_id":"1140501_00014"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}