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Kacaw委員：還在承辦人的手上是不是？"],["吳副司長希文：沒有，沒有，我們其實已經整體做過一些相關評估，現在也是在部裡面做相關的程序，去做討論了。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：所以什麼時候會有結果？無法回答？"],["吳副司長希文：我們儘快。"],["邱部長泰源：因為牽一髮動全身，就是擔心這樣子，不然的話，應該要調就要調，但是調的話，是不是其他的單位也會有相同的效應，可能他們在評估。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：當然都要。"],["邱部長泰源：都要的話，當然就會有預算方面……"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：預算沒問題，這一次增加五十億多，好不好？明年度增加了五十億多的長照基金。"],["邱部長泰源：我想文化健康站照服員和廚工應該是我們要關心的。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，要答復，多久？"],["邱部長泰源：好，一定儘快、一定儘快，回去馬上看能做到什麼程度，再跟委員報告。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，謝謝。"],["邱部長泰源：謝謝。"],["主席：好，謝謝鄭天財委員，我叫他要幾億要喊出來，他不敢喊。謝謝部長。","來，請楊瓊瓔委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":284,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-26-14","speakers":["蘇清泉","陳昭姿","林月琴","劉建國","陳菁徽","林淑芬","王正旭","羅廷瑋","黃秀芳","廖偉翔","王育敏","陳瑩","黃國昌","鄭天財Sra 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