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說第一個是修改程式，還有呢？"],["彭主任委員金隆：還有就是中間還有一些代徵的作業，因為我們現在是代徵嘛，等於是由我們的金融業者代替國家來徵收，這個部分在未來修法會怎麼修還不知道，是接下來就沒有了，還是說要追溯到那一天，就是說有各種狀況要開始去模擬各種作業的方式，未來可能就是還要……主要是人力啦，就是人力加班的這些支出啦。"],["李委員坤城：所以你們現在就要開始因應嘛，因為明天就20號了嘛，大概只剩下10天左右……"],["彭主任委員金隆：我們已經開始在……"],["李委員坤城：有開始？我就跟你講要做……"],["彭主任委員金隆：這一定要處理，一定要處理。"],["李委員坤城：要做最壞的打算跟準備……"],["彭主任委員金隆：當然，我們所有的工作……"],["李委員坤城：因為明天國民黨還是把選罷法跟憲訴法列在討論的這個……"],["彭主任委員金隆：委員，我還是期待能通過。"],["李委員坤城：我也希望能過，但是從上禮拜到明天，我看他們的優先法案就不是你們這個民生法案嘛，就不是你們這個當沖降稅延長三年，沒有！那都排到後面去，你們的法案是被當作肉票，知不知道？當作肉票……"],["彭主任委員金隆：我們隨時充滿希望啦！對啊！"],["李委員坤城：你是要充滿希望，但是……"],["彭主任委員金隆：但是我們還是會預做萬全的準備。"],["李委員坤城：但是我要跟你講最壞的情況，你要朝著這個最壞情況的方向去做準備。"],["彭主任委員金隆：是，我們確實要，謝謝委員提醒。"],["李委員坤城：再請教一下，我記得在3月份的時候我有詢問過金管會，今年要去中國做金檢嘛……"],["彭主任委員金隆：對。"],["李委員坤城：後來好像對岸說時機不妥，所以你們就沒有過去了？"],["彭主任委員金隆：當然，我們就去香港……"],["李委員坤城：它是哪時候回復你們的？"],["彭主任委員金隆：大概4月的時候。"],["李委員坤城：4月？"],["彭主任委員金隆：對，後來我們就去香港檢查，應該也就順利完成。"],["李委員坤城：去香港？去香港可以嗎？"],["彭主任委員金隆：香港可以。"],["李委員坤城：那中國呢？"],["彭主任委員金隆：中國就是被推遲嘛，我們就用其他的替代方式檢查。"],["李委員坤城：這樣也可以嗎？"],["彭主任委員金隆：我們就以替代的方式檢查，當然，我們還是要去了解我們在那邊的金融機構的經營狀況，只是說我們沒辦法派員去，但是很多的資料我們還是可以請他給我們看。"],["李委員坤城：如果今年沒辦法過去，那明年呢？我看你們還是有編預算，明年要過去嗎？"],["彭主任委員金隆：它其實沒有說不可以，只是說現在時機不宜，我們還是會按照……"],["李委員坤城：時機不宜就是不要讓你過去啊！"],["彭主任委員金隆：因為我們彼此有……"],["李委員坤城：但是時機不宜的理由到底是什麼啊？"],["彭主任委員金隆：當然我們就……"],["李委員坤城：因為4月份耶！"],["彭主任委員金隆：因為我們彼此都有互設金融機構，我們有簽金融合作的MOU，本來我們就可以提出要去檢查的需求，所以……"],["李委員坤城：對啊，已經4年沒去了，連今年沒去就4年沒去了！"],["彭主任委員金隆：還是請我們檢查局局長跟您簡單回復一下？"],["李委員坤城：好。"],["童局長政彰：報告委員，我們今年本來是要去三個分行，但是因為大陸方面是建議暫緩辦理，所以我們……"],["李委員坤城：本來要去哪裡？"],["童局長政彰：我們本來要去上海跟深圳，就是兩家銀行的各三家分行，因為剛好這兩家銀行我們在今年也有辦理……"],["李委員坤城：哪兩家？"],["童局長政彰：就是中信跟一銀，剛好我們今年度也有對這兩家總行辦理一般業務檢查跟專案檢查，所以我們就以調閱的方式調閱了這兩家銀行在大陸地區分行的相關資料，以此來實施我們的金融檢查。至於預算執行的部分，因為港澳是同一個預算科目，所以今年大陸方面建議我們不要去，我們就把相關的預算用在對香港的三家分行來實施金檢。"],["李委員坤城：所以明年還是會去問一下中國？"],["童局長政彰：對，我們明年度還是一樣有編列預算，我們是打算到大陸兩家、香港兩家，我們還是會循正常程序來跟陸方溝通。"],["李委員坤城：好，那我問一下，現在我們在中國的銀行，暴險的金額大概是多少？"],["彭主任委員金隆：現在大概是八千多億。"],["李委員坤城：八千多億？"],["彭主任委員金隆：對，已經是歷史的低點。"],["李委員坤城：就是說，包含銀行、證券、保險……"],["彭主任委員金隆：其他兩個行業的暴險，那個金額都相對小，總共加起來大概1兆出頭。"],["李委員坤城：我看了一下相關的資料，暴險的金額，你剛剛說八千多億，是不是？"],["彭主任委員金隆：對。"],["李委員坤城：降到八千多億？"],["彭主任委員金隆：8,700億左右。"],["李委員坤城：如果你有詳細的資料再提供給我，因為……"],["彭主任委員金隆：沒問題，我們有定期公布這些資訊，我們再把它……"],["李委員坤城：有定期公布就對了。因為現在中國不管是房地產或是其他行業的風險都很高啦，所以我就是想看一下我們銀行業在那邊的暴險金額是不是有降低啦！"],["彭主任委員金隆：其實我們對海外不只都有相關的警示跟揭露機制在處理中，相關的這些，比如歷年的資料，我再請我們同仁提供給委員參考。"],["李委員坤城：好，那再問一下主委有關融資公司的管理，你們現在是請銀行公會來處理嗎？"],["彭主任委員金隆：不是，喔，融資公司的貸放部分是請那個，因為是銀行借錢給他們嘛，我們從貸後管理的角度來要求銀行跟融資公司互動。"],["李委員坤城：不是，我的意思是說，那時候我也有問過啦，就是你們現在先請銀行公會對融資租賃業有一個授信實務的公告啦，那個公告有實施了嗎？"],["彭主任委員金隆：有啊，就是針對那個BNPL跟車貸的部分。"],["李委員坤城：是哪時候實施的？"],["莊局長琇媛：上半年公布了之後就立刻實施。"],["李委員坤城：沒有，我記得你們那時候是說年底啊，怎麼會是上半年呢？"],["莊局長琇媛：年底的部分，沒有、沒有，年底的部分應該是我們現在正在做……"],["李委員坤城：你們有一個什麼授信實務守則啊，有這個東西嗎？"],["莊局長琇媛：有，這個是針對那個BNPL，再來就是中古車的車貸的一些相關實務授信的規定。"],["李委員坤城：對，這也公告實施了嗎？"],["莊局長琇媛：對，這邊已經公告了。"],["李委員坤城：是哪時候公告的？"],["莊局長琇媛：因為公會經過我們洽悉了之後，它應該就可以執行了。"],["李委員坤城：哪時候？"],["莊局長琇媛：11月的時候。"],["李委員坤城：11月的時候？"],["莊局長琇媛：對。"],["李委員坤城：將資本額達一定規模以上的上市櫃融資租賃公司納入金融消費者保護法的適用範圍，這個你們是要用行政命令公告的方式來實施嗎？"],["彭主任委員金隆：是，就根據我們金融消費者保護法第三條的規定。"],["李委員坤城：也已經公告了嗎？"],["彭主任委員金隆：還沒、還沒，我剛才講過還要尋求社會共識，就是他們還要……"],["李委員坤城：這個我記得好像11月的時候有問耶！"],["彭主任委員金隆：對，我們當然是希望這些被我們第一波納管的也能夠了解我們整個所有的內容，所以我們還是希望趕快溝通完畢後就公告，公告以後兩個月生效，之後我們準備兩個月，希望能夠在半年、五個月之內能夠上路。"],["李委員坤城：我記得上次問你的時候，你們說年底希望能夠納入金融消費者保護法的適用範圍啊！"],["彭主任委員金隆：是，沒錯，因為當時我們的預計是希望在年底就能夠公告，但是因為他們對我們很多作法還有疑慮，希望我們再溝通，上次也有參加立法院的公聽會，希望我們再開兩次會，跟他們溝通完畢之後再來上路，我們也覺得溝通很重要，持續……"],["李委員坤城：現在阻力最大的是什麼？"],["彭主任委員金隆：我想他大概想的第一個可能是未來我們的評議制度、成本，還有評議的項目，還有我們納管的強度等等這些東西，因為他們畢竟是第一次嘛，所以我們會請我們的法務處及評議這邊多跟他們溝通。"],["李委員坤城：所以呢？大概哪時候才能納入金融消費者保護法呢？"],["彭主任委員金隆：我想說，假如我們最近能夠儘快的召開一些會議，溝通完，大家有共識了，我們立刻就按照我剛剛說的進程，就是法規公告，公告60天後就生效，生效完畢以後就準備兩個月到三個月，我們就開始可以處理……"],["李委員坤城：所以這樣推算的話，最快也要半年的時間耶！"],["彭主任委員金隆：那已經很快了。"],["李委員坤城：那已經很快了嗎？"],["彭主任委員金隆：那是必要的法定程序。"],["李委員坤城：所以最快半年之內可以納進去就對了？"],["彭主任委員金隆：對，我們希望。"],["李委員坤城：好，加油。"],["彭主任委員金隆：謝謝，謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝李坤城委員。李坤城委員不用擔心，禮拜五只要民進黨循規蹈矩的坐在座位上按表決器，那就一定會審到證交法。"],["李委員坤城：你有你的職權沒有錯，等你沒有坐在主席的位子再講話，好不好？"],["李委員彥秀：尊重一下主席。"],["李委員坤城：尊重一下質詢的委員。"],["主席：我尊重你，我是……"],["李委員坤城：尊重一下質詢的委員，我講完話之後你都要加附詞。"],["主席：我們大家都關心民生法案。"],["李委員坤城：尊重一下質詢的委員，這是我的質詢時間，你的質詢時間你再講就好了啊！"],["主席：循規蹈矩大家按表決器啦！謝謝您。"],["李委員坤城：浪費大家的時間，你有你的質詢時間。"],["李委員彥秀：這不耽誤我的時間。"],["李委員坤城：那就耽誤你的時間。"],["李委員彥秀：沒有關係！我尊重主席，如果……"],["主席：謝謝。"],["李委員坤城：互相尊重，我講完話，他就要講一些廢話。"],["主席：我是幫你解除你的疑慮，不用擔心。"],["李委員坤城：你們不要把這些爭議性的選罷法列在前面就可以了，那個……"],["主席：你們坐在座位上好好的按表決器就可以了，所有的案子都會過，主要是你們不要在那邊鬧場就可以了，謝謝。","請李彥秀委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":286,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-20-11","speakers":["陳玉珍","林德福","吳秉叡","賴士葆","賴惠員","王鴻薇","李坤城","李彥秀","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","顏寬恒","黃珊珊","郭國文","洪孟楷","羅明才","葉元之","楊瓊瓔"],"page_start":209,"meetingDate":["2024-12-19"],"gazette_id":"1140901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1140901_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案有關金融監督管理委員會、銀行局、證券期貨局、\n保險局、檢查局收支部分（僅詢答）；二、審查中華民國 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