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之：沒有！部長，我問題都還沒有問完，可以先聽我講完嗎？如果你把這個列為重點查緝對象的話，我覺得跨機關的合作很重要啦！譬如說，警政署有沒有相關的配合？一般來講，查到毒品後你要去檢測，但是之前就發生過他們給的篩劑就是不夠，很多派出所可能就只有拿到一個篩劑，使得他們不太敢用，所以你把罰則訂得比較重，但是如果相關機關沒辦法配合的話，這個毒品的查緝還是一樣沒有辦法達到效果；像數發部的狀況也是一樣，在臉書的社團或者是Google，很容易就查到公然的販賣，這也是一樣啊！所以你把法定在那邊，沒有機關去執行，它就變成是一種空中樓閣，法律就形同具文，所以如果部長今天要在這邊展現查緝殭屍煙彈的決心，就應該跟各機關合作，才能達到效果。"],["鄭部長銘謙：好，謝謝委員，這部分我們本來就一直有在做聯繫，因為我們臺高檢有一個督導的小組，所以我請臺高檢來做一個說明，讓委員能夠了解。"],["葉委員元之：了解。"],["張檢察長斗輝：報告委員，有關於跨部會的合作，我們臺高檢署從今年3月到現在，總共已經開了12次會議，剛剛委員垂詢有關網站的查緝，我們也建議這部分要即時的停止解析。在上個禮拜，數發部有開過會，有邀請TWNIC與會，這部分大家有取得一個共識，未來如果有巡邏這些販毒的網站，就是由我們的司法警察機關去巡邏，就可以即時去停止解析，跟委員報告，對於喪屍煙彈的危害我們也非常的痛心，目前正在我們專案查緝的期間，我們希望在最短的時間能夠有效地壓制。"],["葉委員元之：第三個，我簡單問一下，因為今天有一個新聞說八大行業到某一個大學去招募女學生加入，後來法官是判無罪，因為法官說八大行業去大學招募女學生，這個行為就跟社團招生的性質一樣，所以是無罪，我不知道站在法務部的立場，覺得這樣子是OK的嗎？"],["鄭部長銘謙：我想檢察官收到判決以後，他會研議是否上訴，如果說這部分違反法律的……"],["葉委員元之：八大行業到大學去招募女學生，跟社團招生的性質一不一樣？"],["鄭部長銘謙：檢察官既然已經有起訴了，法院判決無罪，我想檢察官會研議來……"],["葉委員元之：我們不針對個案啦！我是講通案啦！"],["鄭部長銘謙：當然這個……"],["葉委員元之：因為如果是這樣子講的話，那八大行業很高興啊！他們可以到各大學去招募，因為這個就是社團招生嘛！"],["鄭部長銘謙：當然在道德或法律上，這個是不允許或不適合的問題，既然檢察官已經……"],["葉委員元之：對，所以部長也覺得不行。"],["鄭部長銘謙：當然是不好啊！"],["葉委員元之：那他違反什麼法？"],["鄭部長銘謙：社維法的問題。"],["葉委員元之：只違反社維法是不是？"],["鄭部長銘謙：社會秩序維護法。"],["葉委員元之：違反社會秩序維護法，但是您認為是不可以，應該是跟社團招生……"],["鄭部長銘謙：當然他如果有的話，警察就會來做取締跟行政裁處。"],["葉委員元之：那應該是跟社團招生的性質不一樣嘛？"],["黃次長謀信：跟委員報告，這個其實不是檢察官起訴，他是違反社會秩序維護法，是司法警察機關直接向法院移送，法院是判免罰、不罰，這其實跟檢察機關是沒有關係的，它不涉及到……"],["葉委員元之：我知道，我只是問態度嘛！因為今天這個新聞出來……"],["黃次長謀信：當然權責上是由司法警察移送，法院來做處理。"],["葉委員元之：我當然知道，我只是說這個新聞出來，大家就覺得說原來八大行業去學校招生跟社團一樣，我只是問你們的態度，因為你們是法務部嘛！我只是問你們的態度而已，不然八大行業覺得很高興啦！"],["黃次長謀信：當然這個法律……"],["葉委員元之：法律居然保障他們招生的權利啊！"],["黃次長謀信：當然我們支持警方的移送行為，但法院的判決我們也要尊重。"],["葉委員元之：好，謝謝。"],["黃次長謀信：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝，請回。","下一位請楊瓊瓔委員、楊瓊瓔委員、楊瓊瓔委員。","接下來我們麻煩林思銘代理主席。"],["主席（林委員思銘代）：接下來請吳宗憲委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":424,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-36-20","speakers":["吳宗憲","莊瑞雄","黃國昌","陳俊宇","沈發惠","吳思瑤","羅智強","翁曉玲","鍾佳濱","洪孟楷","葉元之","楊瓊瓔","林思銘"],"page_start":127,"meetingDate":["2024-12-19"],"gazette_id":"1140905","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1140905_00003","1140905_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第20次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於法務部及所屬主管收支部分；二、審查114年度中央政府\n總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於法務部主管「法務部矯正機關作業基金」收支部分；三、\n審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於法務部主管「毒品防制基金」收支\n部分；四、審查法務部函送財團法人臺灣更生保護會、財團法人福建更生保護會及財團法人犯罪\n被害人保護協會114年度預算書案；五、併案審查(一)委員徐巧芯等18人擬具「外役監條例第四\n條條文修正草案」案、(二)委員王世堅等19人擬具「外役監條例第四條及第二十一條條文修正草\n案」案、(三)委員陳玉珍等19人擬具「外役監條例第四條條文修正草案」案；六、繼續審查114\n年度中央政府總預算案關於立法院主管收支部分【第一案至第四案僅進行詢答】","agenda_id":"1140905_00002"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}