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Tahovecahe委員：所以事權的部分完全沒有談，沒有隨之調整，這是我們感到很憂心的地方，國家到底會受到什麼衝擊影響，我現在就是很關心，至少給我們一份報告，可以嗎？"],["阮次長清華：我們現在先盤點出來。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：像我們的農路，我們最希望的水保署、農水署、水利署，我們很多很多原鄉仰賴的，我現在很緊張，所以我希望至少應該給我們一份報告，讓我們可以跟族人說，可以嗎？"],["阮次長清華：這部分容許我帶回去跟主總那邊來答，因為這部分涉及到它們。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：就是跟主總一起給，好不好？"],["阮次長清華：好。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：而且我覺得地方政府是人治，我至少安心錢在中央，公開、透明，有預算法、有財政紀律法、有受監督，我至少安心，對我來講，但是地方人治之後，地方政府、地方議會經常是我們詬病威權的遺毒、黑金盤踞的地方、財政不透明，甚至很多地方議會連轉播議事都沒有，我緊張啊！"],["阮次長清華：這也是我們關切的問題。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：你看我原區都不給我了，我仰賴中央，現在中央也沒有了，所有的原鄉未來都會跟六都的原區一樣，所有的原鄉都會如此。"],["阮次長清華：我們有聽到委員的意見，我們回去跟主總來答。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：所以這個部分我希望給我一個報告，好嗎？"],["阮次長清華：這部分我要跟總處那邊來溝通。"],["伍麗華Saidhai 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