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臺灣101，所以其實101是非常重要的，那在未來我覺得101必須要有更多的競爭力、更多前進的方向，在這個部分，委員請容我到明年的第一季再跟您報告，我們在這邊現在都已經做了準備了。"],["羅委員明才：希望你可以運用你亮麗的外表還有健康的形象讓101成功的走到地方、走出去，電商發展得也很好，只是101的部分好像遲遲沒有什麼比較多的規劃，比如說立法院大門旁邊中山南路這邊有一個很大的空間，立法院來的人也非常多，看看那個地方有沒有機會可以成為101的一個分點或分設的一個展示中心等等，你們再研究看看。"],["賈董事長永媫：好，謝謝。"],["羅委員明才：讓中華民國的立法院，除了政治還可以多一點亮點，好不好？"],["賈董事長永媫：是，謝謝。"],["羅委員明才：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝羅明才委員。","接著我們請洪孟楷、洪孟楷、洪孟楷委員不在。","葉元之、葉元之、葉元之委員不在。","接著我們請王世堅委員發言，發言時間為5分鐘。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":82,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-20-12","speakers":["賴惠員","林德福","吳秉叡","賴士葆","郭國文","顏寬恒","黃珊珊","李坤城","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","鄭正鈐","張啓楷","楊瓊瓔","羅明才","王世堅","王鴻薇","陳玉珍"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2024-12-23"],"gazette_id":"1141101","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1141101_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆就「兆豐金控及臺灣證券交易所投\n資之台北金融大樓股份有限公司2024年營運成效、2025年度經營計畫與展望、暨跨年晚會煙火表\n演規劃」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1141101_00001"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}