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不可能啊。 不關賴清德的事。 非常好。 所以你們也不認同嘛。 委員你很清楚。 當天是公民團體。 推給公民團體是萬用菜瓜布藉口啦。 來我跟你講。 來我跟你講。 我跟你講一個結論啦。 我的心情分享給你可以吧?"},{"start":440.352,"end":440.512,"text":"可以。"},{"start":442.418,"end":469.461,"text":"正常的執政者當家不當賊啦就民進黨破窗當賊啦正常的執政黨當家不鬧事啊結果民進黨執政還號召群眾包圍立法院你說跟你們擔心的沒關係來來來中央執政是民進黨國會執政是國眾流黨在國會民進黨是在野秘書長我要問問題了啦我知道大法官負責你嘛你搶答也好說謊也好大法官都說沒事啊所以我知道你會這樣啊不會啦"},{"start":470.862,"end":484.228,"text":"我鼓勵你啊,大法官都幫你背書當靠山不用擔心,盡量搶答,對不對?輕了齁,上個禮拜五一度要衝進立法院嘛請問是誰拿油壓碱破壞串聯起來的護碼鐵繩索是誰?是誰?是誰?我不知道就在座這位啊,我們的宗嘉賓昭偉啊你們還有李民進黨立委說叫大家衝進來啊欸我跟民主黨講請問賴清德除了是中華民國總統之外他一個身份叫什麼?"},{"start":500.479,"end":500.621,"text":"叫什麼?"},{"start":502.688,"end":504.049,"text":"總統無分天南地北啦!總統就是總統啦!"},{"start":531.28,"end":552.8,"text":"到國外也是要坐鎮指揮啦這樣講不對我在總統府都待過我跟你講我跟你講沒關係啦我跟你講啦如果但是總統真的不認同認不認同這種做法嘛事後問嘛我們宗家兵稍微就去檢啊啪啪啪很棒啊英勇啊號召群眾衝進立法院啊民進黨的立委在那邊喊啊"},{"start":553.641,"end":556.902,"text":"黨主席真的不認同的話稍微口頭告誡一下我們中召委"},{"start":582.851,"end":586.612,"text":"但新澤總統也下了天天假動令上週五也是下了動員令對不對但新澤有下過天天假動令吧"},{"start":599.817,"end":622.831,"text":"呃跟委員再次報告也再次你又要盤古開天啊賴清德不會指揮民進黨團什麼時候動戰所以你要打臉賴清德之前說天天都要動員嗎根本這那不就是指揮了啊指揮烏有的的一個指控什麼指揮烏有賴清德總統直接公開講說叫大家天天都要動員啊來來來沒關係啊叫大家要認真問政但是黨團制止來來來我想請問上週五今天民進黨是不是假動了"},{"start":628.993,"end":653.127,"text":"是不是假凍了?當然假凍因為投票因為這個結果呢在裁划法的時候邱盈盈竟然跑票欸你知道吧跑啦不見啦不見蛋啦那我想請問要不要黨計處分邱盈盈啊邱委員已經公開說明當天他身體不舒服因為衝撞之後身體不舒服年紀老不只邱盈盈啦不只邱盈盈沒關係我跟你講"},{"start":654.366,"end":669.824,"text":"我看秋瑩那天精神飽滿我從頭到尾在直播秋瑩精神很好當然也可能啦身體突然有狀況祝福她啦可是我要跟秘書長講我今天齁一味賴清德不止不只秋瑩跑啊跑好幾個啊"},{"start":671.696,"end":680.665,"text":"賴清德已經跟你告誡下令動員民進黨的立委辦封殺球那個劉吉宜來來來我跟你講黨團下令動員賴清德黨主席之前還叫那個大家要天天動員你都當他是金雲老金不得好啦好啦你要翻盤也沒關係我說過了嘛"},{"start":690.914,"end":706.038,"text":"今天大法官當你靠山對不對你不管是搶答還是說今天說謊甚至翻過去曾經說過的話基本上也沒事啊立法院你們皆大歡喜嘛大法官就你靠山啊我懂啊來來來好再想請教你啊我直接跟你講一個結論心得啦這樣對得起青鳥嗎"},{"start":710.164,"end":732.904,"text":"親鳥在外面吹風授雨阿結果呢結果你們民進黨在裡面 落跑跑票阿然後我想請教一下一個問題喔總統如果看到地方的問題財化法公債法岂可不過他就是不處理中央想集權集錢這個統治的比較方便基本癥結在此是誰講的安委的你說"},{"start":737.504,"end":745.832,"text":"賴清德講的啦來現在想問下一個才化法立法延宕總統向局外人這個國家好像沒有人看見問題沒有人解決問題這誰講的"},{"start":749.262,"end":756.95,"text":"賴清德講的欸秘書長賴清德講的話你還是要熟悉一下吧這個有一些沒有講的不能硬塞到嘴巴欸2012年9月10號自由時報報導自由時報就造謠媒體被我們派不完認真了說賴清德沒講厲害啊委員講的不是我講的來來來第二個我告訴你"},{"start":768.522,"end":786.894,"text":"任何負責的總統不可能把關係到直轄市發展的財化法放在一邊不管各縣市要捐儲幾件讓財化法儘速修正中央財政權下放表品做大才能改善地方財政問題如果不解決財化法的問題不可能進步都是誰講的啊你不知道的我幫你講了我自己就這樣講"},{"start":788.935,"end":806.166,"text":"欸!你挑題了!我下一個就要問你講了啦!我下一個就要問你講啦!對!非常好!賴清德講的都不知道!自己講的總知道!但絕對不是像這樣的空牌授權然後切了不知道的項目也不知道用在什麼項目預算法不是這樣!不是垂直組合!不是垂直分配!還要橫向的!沒關係啦!您辛苦啦!我直接跟你講啦!我告訴你在野黨今天就是捍衛賴清德的理念啦齁!"},{"start":817.794,"end":820.798,"text":"請問秘書長行政院有沒有提版本啊行政院有沒有"},{"start":834.994,"end":853.251,"text":"提版本卓院長已經跟韓院長卓院長已經跟韓院長在協商卓院長已經跟韓院長卓院長已經跟韓院長卓院長已經跟韓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院長卓院"},{"start":860.307,"end":882.241,"text":"所以你這邊畫的不好那邊分的不好你搞得民進黨立委想提版本都不讓他提啊主席你不用緊張啦我知道你想要救駕啦謝謝你啦我告訴你本地法院這邊我們司法法制委員會遇時的比比皆是啊你不要只挑我一個人因為我講到你今天親鳥的事情你今天不高興就用主席的權威來壓我嗎"},{"start":883.928,"end":907.928,"text":"就讓我再多問一題嘛好不好謝謝主席啦好不好謝謝主席嘛謝謝請注意時間尊重後面委員的謝謝啦謝謝啦剛剛你們預死也一大堆如果通通都遵守我也就沒話說來來沒關係不要講剛剛司法及法制委開張到現在你沒有預死你被我抓到好幾次謝謝你我就知道你會想要來這一招早就準備好了來我想請教你齁"},{"start":909.749,"end":924.859,"text":"你剛自己承認才化法你也曾經表示過意見這題我就跳過因為主席不希望我問到你自己打臉我尊重主席然後呢我跟你講齁沒關係啦在野黨依照賴清德理念修正才化法變成毀憲亂政禍國殃民周志達耳光的做法我跟你講為什麼我跟秘書長講我真的奉勸你知道為什麼嗎"},{"start":932.003,"end":954.291,"text":"因為今天為什麼民進黨在立法院造反我是民進黨的立委我都不知道怎麼辦你賴清德之前口口聲聲才化法無限至高非改不可結果你下令立法院要他們怎麼樣要他們誓死打臉賴清德以前賴清德我是邱毅我也會說我生病我不投票啊我怎麼敢投票"},{"start":955.131,"end":971.794,"text":"我怕打臉的以前的賴清德啊我心疼以前賴清德啊所以千萬不要黨計處分邱毅英拜託你邱毅英今天是為了以前的賴清德捍衛的要黨計處分處分你們不認同的撿那個護碼的宗家兵召委啦"},{"start":972.695,"end":985.298,"text":"可以嗎?幫我轉達一下那個賴總統我沒有要任何的意見但是真的不是這樣編劇的隨便你啦,隨便你總統沒有,雖然反制立法院下週五通過的法律有兩個前面那個是沒問完的問題這個是最後一個問題,謝謝你最後一個問題,真的最後一個主席給一點時間"},{"start":996.122,"end":1003.957,"text":"來!總統要反制立法院下周五通過的法律有兩個反制方法嘛齁第一個是不公布法律第二是行政院長不附屬有這個原意嗎?"},{"start":1006.04,"end":1028.809,"text":"會考慮嗎?總統?針對法律案三讀通過的目前總統沒有表態要怎麼做沒有表態啊!所以還在考慮要不要?有答詢了剛剛的這個委員好啦我知道我從剛剛從頭問到你要不要問題每一個答的每一個願意答也每一個答的出來那我直接來我們說法律救教第一個不公布啊你知道憲法72條規定什麼?"},{"start":1032.162,"end":1043.053,"text":"不知道我直接告訴你啦立法院法律通過以總統及行政院總統在10日總統應於10日內收到10日內公佈之請問規定是應還是得?憲法規定是應還是得?應 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