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Eats跟foodpanda這件事情的處理，讓社會各界至少都是正面肯定的，當然接下來他們還是有很多作為，我相信他們還是不會放棄，因為過去以來有很多兩家同時間去壓低外送員的薪資，同時提高一些價格的情形，怎麼樣去防止他們的一些聯合行為，主委有沒有什麼看法？","quality":0.061},{"speaker":"李鎂被提名人","start":"2024-12-30T09:34:47.419000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:34:48.840000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李鎂被提名人","start":"2024-12-30T09:34:48.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:34:56.407000+08:00","text":"禁止結合之後，這兩家事業還在市場上競爭，在競爭的過程中，都要符合我們現行公平交易法的規範，所以……","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2024-12-30T09:34:56.407000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:35:08.737000+08:00","text":"我希望未來李主委如果續任的話，能夠持續地重視這個問題，這會侵犯到消費者的權益，也會影響到外送員的權益，國人高度關注，我也希望你們持續用最高的標準盯著，不要讓他們即使沒有辦法整併成功，卻還是採用聯合的行為來壓低外送員的薪資、提高消費的金額，其實還是產生了不公平的問題，我希望這一塊公平會還是要持續來關切，好不好？是的。","quality":0.49},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2024-12-30T09:35:25.723000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:35:40.295000+08:00","text":"再來我想請教一下，其實現在社群裡面充斥了很多的短影音、廣告，它其實是真的廣告，但是用推薦的方式，這個部分其實我覺得也要重視，因為現在很多年輕人都在做短影音，像這四個，每一個都是廣告，都是業配，但事實上在上面根本呈現不出來，很多人以為是網紅的推薦而已，但事實上它都是廣告，都是業配，這塊未來公平會能不能再做更多的加強，讓資訊揭露，讓他們知道？","quality":0.51},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2024-12-30T09:35:40.295000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T09:36:07.163000+08:00","text":"像現在其實報紙很多地方都要揭露清楚，雜誌也都要揭露這是廣告，這是業配，這是廣編特輯，我認為這件事情在公平會也應該做一些要求，讓網路上面的市場更加地公開透明，讓消費者不要被誤導了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2024-12-30T09:36:07.163000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:36:09.004000+08:00","text":"主委，未來會朝這個方向來做嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李鎂被提名人","start":"2024-12-30T09:36:09.004000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:36:20.633000+08:00","text":"是的，我們也針對這個網路廣告去修了網路廣告的處理原則，不管是薦證者或者是網紅、部落客，如果有不實廣告的情形，也是受到規範，而且我們也有處罰的案例。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2024-12-30T09:36:20.773000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:36:32.842000+08:00","text":"好，我們希望未來這塊持續加強，因為短影音跟圖卡都已經是現在的趨勢，年輕人很多都會受到這個影響，我們希望未來包括李鎂被提名人，甚至是未來的李主委，能夠更加重視這個問題，好不好？是的。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2024-12-30T09:36:32.862000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:36:32.882000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T09:36:33.382000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T09:36:35.953429+08:00","text":"怎麼那麼快就講完了？","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2024-12-30T09:36:36.253429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T09:36:38.539143+08:00","text":"遵照主席的指示啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T09:36:38.839143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T09:36:44.553429+08:00","text":"讓我很意外，我一段詩詞都還沒看完，你就講完了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T09:36:44.853429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T09:36:47.996286+08:00","text":"下一位質詢請張啓楷委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}