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對不對部長、主計長"},{"start":241.421,"end":259.539,"text":"財劃法三讀後．行政院不是開記者會說自愛難行．對明年總預算有嚴重的衝擊．不然就是拿原鄉預算、教育預算．以及金工教加薪來威脅不同的群體．甚至於連國防預算．"},{"start":261.08,"end":283.868,"text":"預應的津貼都能用來恐嚇全民。主計長：如果對明年總預算有衝擊為什麼行政院明知道財劃法在立法院上會期充分的溝通而且立法院也做成了主決議要財政部這個會期你們要提出版本到現在行政院還亂扣帽子"},{"start":286.189,"end":299.608,"text":"在代表多數民意的立法院身上那我請問主計長在這個時機點你認為行政院有沒有提出修法新版本的可能會不會會不會你告訴我嘛"},{"start":303.604,"end":318.959,"text":"目前針對立法院通過的一個財劃法目前行政院正在研究相關的一個因應的措施所以這個部分我們等行政院研究出來這個措施之後我們配合辦理"},{"start":319.56,"end":339.273,"text":"那我請問你,如果行政院互裕失敗,事件也不如行政院預期一月到四月就要核定115年度這個施政方針以及總預算的籌編那我請問主計長,你認為115年度總預算編列有沒有困難度?有沒有?"},{"start":340.437,"end":360.98,"text":"當然是有困難的原則上其實我們扣除一般性就是依法律義務一兆八我們是三兆一嘛114是三兆一一一四年度為例三兆一扣掉一兆八一法律剩下一兆三那就要減百分之三十左右好那個主計長因為40年啊都沒有修的"},{"start":362.181,"end":378.433,"text":"財劃法代表多數民意的立法委員終於通過修法總統行政院就說倉促立法修法之前還說現在的版本是最好的版本那我請問主計長你認為現在的版本真的是最好的版本嗎"},{"start":379.497,"end":396.049,"text":"以目前來講因為我們有補助現在是2500億一般性的補助這個部分就佔6%但是過去這段時間你們是看顏色在補助啦你像蘇貞昌高雄申請一個漁港3000多萬他補助81億"},{"start":399.739,"end":419.107,"text":"對不對?你們為什麼不檢討?補助81億捏!3000多萬補助81億!如果真的最好的那我請問你為什麼賴總統在擔任台南市長的時候要強烈要求中央修財化法?當時的你也是台南市的主計處的處長到底支持還是反對賴市長?"},{"start":425.39,"end":440.453,"text":"你是支持還是反對賴市長你告訴我報告委員那時候台南市的狀況他是已經達到公債法的上限然後薪水發不出來的狀況那時候的情況和現在不一樣現在的一個部分"},{"start":441.555,"end":442.316,"text":"所以說你認為"},{"start":457.057,"end":476.689,"text":"你認為修財劃法這不是最好的版本因為面對將近40年沒有修訂的財劃法你認為沒有堅持推動修法和初心繼續提供總統修法迫切性的意見反而任意批評迫切修法代表多數民意的立委是不是這樣子"},{"start":477.549,"end":493.849,"text":"不是批評立委而是針對現有的狀況如果這樣的修法將會造成行政院的一個在執行上有很大的一個困難因為他必須刪減將近30%那會嚴重影響到各項的一個重大的一個建設"},{"start":495.455,"end":516.438,"text":"大家心智度明部長上個禮拜本席質詢你的時候預算是不是要重編如果要重編就不用審預算了結果你回答114年就要開始了怎麼重編因為中央施政怎麼去推動部長按照行政院花園人的說法明年度總預算會受到嚴重的衝擊"},{"start":517.879,"end":538.393,"text":"甚至於恐怕需要重編那媒體報導部長打你的臉行政院打你臉的這個媒體報導部長你打臉行政院的說法請問部長對於是不是要重編總預算的看法你看行政院是不是一致的"},{"start":540.034,"end":553.991,"text":"我那天已經跟委員報告114年在這個禮拜已經要開始了總預算也經過行政院籌編在大院審議當中各項施政都必須往前推進這個籌編他是知識體大的我覺得說得很清楚已經跟委員說明了"},{"start":557.595,"end":580.311,"text":"因為我剛剛也請教主計長如果行政院互遇失敗事件也不如行政院議期那我請問部長短期內財政部有沒有再提出修法的可能對於立法院深度通過財化法後續的相關的一些行政救濟等等的一些措施我們和主計總處還有行政院目前都在評估各種相關的措施當中部長"},{"start":581.272,"end":602.353,"text":"您說倉促修法改變現有財政的秩序影響各級政府財政的穩健這是另一個分配不均的開始那我請問部長修法前的財劃法是不是完全沒有分配不均的問題修法前的財劃法的情況我們都很了解因此是透過一般性補助款還有計劃型的補助款"},{"start":602.813,"end":602.913,"text":"所以說你才會說："},{"start":626.757,"end":632.382,"text":"被卓院長稱為最好的版本是不是因為這樣所以行政院不願意提修法的版本?是不是這樣子?但是立法院已經做過主決議而且要你們修你們都不提"},{"start":650.078,"end":670.926,"text":"處理好以後你們又來推翻要講三道事說三道事部長對於財劃法三讀通過後對中央施政的相關自愛你說財政部跟主計總處正在演繹中那我請問部長如果最後的結果還是要維持修法所謂的自愛難行財政部有沒有信心來克服有沒有"},{"start":671.526,"end":697.218,"text":"對於相關的制裁的部分剛剛主總在報告裡面已經分析得相當清楚了那對於有沒有要提財劃法的修正我們已經在之前已經想過財劃法的修正必須要爭取最大的一個共識來能夠減少一些爭議這個部分財政部一直在努力而且把相關的指標也濃縮後續就是權重已經調整的係數等等要去進一步的討論我覺得這個部分是財政部一直在努力的"},{"start":697.418,"end":708.116,"text":"那如果可以克服你認為財政部所堅持的水平垂直分配的指標會不會出現偏差?如果不能克服會不會考慮你要辭職下台?"},{"start":709.154,"end":732.347,"text":"對於我個人的質問並沒有任何的堅持但是我覺得把這個財劃法能夠做一個更好的調整一直是我們努力的方向其實大家都是相同的看法來我最後一個議題那個114年度課稅收入編列2.77兆創歷史新高而且比113年度預算成長19.88%那我請問部長修法後的財劃法對未來年度的課稅收入會不會有影響會不會"},{"start":738.587,"end":751.448,"text":"稅收入第一個我們在課稅收入的時候我們是先估比如說以所得稅來說我是先估全國的然後再按那個財劃法的規定的比例撥到專案統籌分配稅款進去當然是在比例的變動當然它的額度就會變動"},{"start":752.762,"end":781.829,"text":"其實事實上根據立法院預算中心對財政部評估報告指出114年度的總預算案課稅收入佔稅入結構比例是87.97%也就是支應各項正式支出最主要的財源但是課稅收入的準確度從110年度開始每年課稅收入時增數遠超過預算數更矛盾的是114年度"},{"start":783.812,"end":785.596,"text":"在預期經濟成長是3.26%第113年的3.9%"},{"start":792.884,"end":819.201,"text":"九下所編列的課稅收入．反而是113年度增加百分之19.88．更創歷史新高．那部長因為失準的課稅收入預算數．預計的經濟成長的成長率．對比矛盾的數字到底是怎麼一回事．意思就是說你成長的高．但是稅率收入少．成長的低反而多．其實這個問題很大"},{"start":821.13,"end":821.391,"text":"謝謝林德福"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:23:20.726000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:23:23.215000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，是不是請陳主計長、莊部長？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T09:23:23.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:23:23.416000+08:00","text":"陳主計長、莊部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:23:37.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:23:53.828000+08:00","text":"主計長，10天前立法院三讀通過修正財劃法，行政院發言人李慧芝在記者會上表示，明年度總預算恐怕會受到嚴重的衝擊，甚至可能需要重編。","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:23:53.828000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:24:00.911000+08:00","text":"上個禮拜三財委會開會答詢的時候，莊部長卻回答本席：我們有說過重編嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:24:04.132000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:24:12.396000+08:00","text":"本席十分疑惑，難道當天行政院記者會是AI的深偽記者會嗎？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:24:12.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:24:13.976000+08:00","text":"你沒有聽到嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:24:13.976000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:24:24.240000+08:00","text":"主計長，當天記者會你也在座，李慧芝就在旁邊，請問你有聽到李發言人提到「重編」兩個字嗎？","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:24:24.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:24:24.480000+08:00","text":"有沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2024-12-30T09:24:27.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:24:28.662000+08:00","text":"這個部分我是沒有注意到。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:24:28.782000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:24:29.342000+08:00","text":"你沒有注意到？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:24:29.803000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:24:30.523000+08:00","text":"部長，你有沒有聽到？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:24:30.523000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T09:24:33.549000+08:00","text":"都沒有聽到是不是？","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2024-12-30T09:24:33.549000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:24:37.032000+08:00","text":"委員，我想預算的編列是非常重大的事情。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:24:37.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:24:38.794000+08:00","text":"有沒有聽到嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:24:40.315000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:24:41.016000+08:00","text":"你有沒有聽到？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2024-12-30T09:24:41.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:24:42.537000+08:00","text":"我沒有注意到這個。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:24:42.537000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:24:43.137000+08:00","text":"你沒有注意到！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:24:43.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:24:44.839000+08:00","text":"兩位都沒有注意到！","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2024-12-30T09:24:44.839000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T09:24:45.880000+08:00","text":"但是我必須要說……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:24:45.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:24:49.643000+08:00","text":"行政院記者會發言人是代表行政院院長……","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2024-12-30T09:24:49.643000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:24:57.787000+08:00","text":"不是，我們必須要說的是，重編這個事情因為涉及到整個總預算已經送到立法院了……","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:24:57.887000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:25:07.372000+08:00","text":"你不要講了，如果與會記者們都有聽到，請問部長，為什麼你會沒有聽到？","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:25:08.032000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:25:09.633000+08:00","text":"記者都有聽到，只有你沒有聽到？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2024-12-30T09:25:10.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:25:22.801000+08:00","text":"我不是說我沒有聽到，那一天他的意思是說財劃法三讀通過以後，對相關的一些施政會有嚴重衝擊，可能會這樣子……","quality":0.83},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:25:22.801000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:25:47.682000+08:00","text":"不要狡辯，本席很少這麼生氣，講實在話，做事情要面對現實，包括主計長，你在賴市長時代，擔任臺南市主計處處長，你的碩士論文也是研究財政的相關劃分，有沒有，主計長？","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2024-12-30T09:25:47.682000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:25:49.443000+08:00","text":"報告委員，時空環境不一樣……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:25:50.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:25:55.245000+08:00","text":"對，換了位子就換了腦袋，時空環境不一樣，昨是今非就對了……","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2024-12-30T09:25:55.245000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T09:25:56.245000+08:00","text":"不是換了位子就換了腦袋，而是因為條件不一樣，是條件不一樣。","quality":0.192},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:25:56.245000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T09:25:57.245000+08:00","text":"條件不一樣？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:25:55.905000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:25:56.045000+08:00","text":"昨是今非就對了。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2024-12-30T09:25:56.045000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T09:25:57.045000+08:00","text":"當初我們是薪水付不出來……","quality":0.273},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:25:56.445000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:25:57.505000+08:00","text":"薪水付不出來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:25:57.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:25:57.505000+08:00","text":"這麼嚴重？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:26:11.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:26:18.255000+08:00","text":"4年我們超徵一兆八千多億，每年超徵4,500億，你有沒有統計過？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2024-12-30T09:26:18.255000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:26:22.838000+08:00","text":"但是報告委員，超徵是暫時性的，並不是……","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:26:22.838000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T09:26:23.838000+08:00","text":"暫時性？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:26:23.838000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T09:26:24.838000+08:00","text":"但是每年都超徵喔！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2024-12-30T09:26:23.079000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:26:28.983000+08:00","text":"但我們的修改是結構性的，統計12年有6年是短差的。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:26:30.364000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:26:35.867000+08:00","text":"部長，我再請教，難道行政院記者會容許會後各說各話，各自解讀嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:26:36.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:26:37.549000+08:00","text":"可以嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2024-12-30T09:26:37.549000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:26:39.350000+08:00","text":"我們沒有各自解讀，也沒有各說各話。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:26:39.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:26:40.290000+08:00","text":"沒有各自解讀？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:26:40.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:26:56.262000+08:00","text":"但是你剛剛所講的，包括你那天所講的，就是各自解讀，反正如果你也沒有聽到，是不是就意味著財政部、主計總處都認為修法事小，還不到要總預算重編的地步，是不是這樣子？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:26:56.942000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:26:57.522000+08:00","text":"修法事小嘛！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2024-12-30T09:26:58.283000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:27:04.127000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，因為總預算行政院已經籌編完成，並送請大院審議，目前大院也一直在審議當中。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:27:04.147000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:27:11.180000+08:00","text":"對，但是那天行政院發言人所講的，你們都當耳邊風嗎？","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:27:11.420000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:27:12.603000+08:00","text":"他是代表行政院院長，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:27:12.603000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:27:39.461000+08:00","text":"部長、主計長，財劃法三讀後，行政院不是開記者會表示窒礙難行，對明年總預算有嚴重衝擊，不然就是拿原鄉預算、教育預算以及軍公教加薪來威脅不同群體，甚至連國防預算、育嬰津貼都能用來恐嚇全民。","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:27:40.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:28:13.305000+08:00","text":"主計長，如果對明年總預算有衝擊，為什麼行政院明知道財劃法在立法院上會期經過充分溝通，而且立法院也做成主決議，要求財政部這個會期要提出版本，到現在行政院還亂扣帽子在代表多數民意的立法院身上，那我請問主計長，在這個時機點，你認為行政院有沒有提出修法新版本的可能，會不會？","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2024-12-30T09:28:13.305000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T09:28:14.305000+08:00","text":"修法這個部分……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:28:13.305000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:28:13.465000+08:00","text":"會不會？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:28:13.465000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:28:15.588000+08:00","text":"你告訴我嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2024-12-30T09:28:19.604000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:28:27.312000+08:00","text":"針對目前立法院通過的財劃法，行政院正在研究相關……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:28:27.312000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T09:28:28.312000+08:00","text":"還在研究就對了？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2024-12-30T09:28:27.812000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:28:34.939000+08:00","text":"一個因應措施，所以這個部分，等行政院研究出來相關措施之後，我們會配合辦理。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:28:36.721000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:28:54.272000+08:00","text":"如果行政院覆議失敗，釋憲也不如行政院預期，1月到4月就要核定115年度施政方針以及總預算的籌編，請問主計長，你認為115年度總預算編列有沒有困難度？","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:28:54.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:28:55.253000+08:00","text":"有沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2024-12-30T09:28:56.437000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:29:12.635000+08:00","text":"當然是有困難，原則上，我們是3兆1，扣除一般性、依法律義務編列的1兆8，以114年度為例，3兆1扣掉1兆8，剩下1兆3，那就要減30%左右。","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:29:15.559000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:29:34.433000+08:00","text":"四十年都沒有修正的財劃法，代表多數民意的立法委員終於通過修法，總統、行政院說是倉促立法，修法之前還說現在的版本就是最好的版本，請問主計長，你認為現在的版本真的是最好的版本嗎？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2024-12-30T09:29:35.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:29:44.043000+08:00","text":"以目前來講，因為我們有補助縣市2,500億一般性補助，這個部分就占6%……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:29:44.043000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:29:56.279000+08:00","text":"但是過去這段時間，你們是看顏色在補助，像高雄申請一個漁港三千多萬，蘇貞昌補助給它81億，對不對？","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:29:56.279000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:29:58.020000+08:00","text":"這你們為什麼不檢討？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:29:59.901000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:30:02.262000+08:00","text":"要三千多萬，補助81億！","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:30:02.262000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:30:10.866000+08:00","text":"如果真的是最好的版本，那我請問你，為什麼賴總統在擔任臺南市長的時候，要強烈要求中央修財劃法？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:30:12.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:30:15.107000+08:00","text":"當時你是臺南市主計處處長，到底支持還是反對賴市長？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:30:21.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:30:24.355000+08:00","text":"你是支持還是反對賴市長，你告訴我？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2024-12-30T09:30:24.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:30:38.256000+08:00","text":"報告委員，那時候臺南市的狀況是已經達到公債法上限，薪水都發不出來的狀況，那時候的情況和現在不一樣，現在的補助都已經超過它的需求，所以到112年，各縣市有賸餘648億，現在各縣市財政狀況跟以前完全不一樣。","quality":0.563},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:30:53.057000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:31:12.669000+08:00","text":"你認為修正通過的財劃法不是最好的版本，所以面對將近四十年沒有修訂的財劃法，你沒有堅持推動修法的初心，以及繼續提供總統修法迫切性的意見，反而任意批評迫切修法代表多數民意的立委，是不是這樣子？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2024-12-30T09:31:13.549000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:31:29.849000+08:00","text":"不是批評立委，而是針對現有的狀況，如果這樣修法，將會造成行政院在執行上很大的困難，因為必須刪減將近30%，那會嚴重影響到各項重大建設。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:31:31.455000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:31:32.276000+08:00","text":"大家心知肚明啦！","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:31:32.656000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:31:47.292000+08:00","text":"部長，上個禮拜本席質詢你預算是不是要重編，如果要重編，就不用審預算了，結果你回答114年就要開始了，如果重編，中央施政要怎麼推動？","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:31:47.913000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:31:56.421000+08:00","text":"按照行政院發言人的說法，明年度總預算會受到嚴重衝擊，甚至恐怕需要重編。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:31:56.581000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:32:14.192000+08:00","text":"媒體報導這是部長你打臉行政院的說法，請問部長，對於是不是要重編總預算的看法，你和行政院是不是一致？","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:32:14.192000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T09:32:16.034000+08:00","text":"有沒有一致？","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2024-12-30T09:32:16.034000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:32:29.971000+08:00","text":"我那天已經跟委員報告過，114年在這個禮拜就要開始了，總預算也經過行政院籌編，在大院審議當中，各項施政都必須往前推進，重編茲事體大，我覺得已經跟委員說明得很清楚了。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:32:33.755000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:32:44.303000+08:00","text":"我剛剛也請教主計長，如果行政院覆議失敗，釋憲也不如行政院預期，請問部長，短期內財政部有沒有再提出修法的可能？","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:32:44.303000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T09:32:45.484000+08:00","text":"會不會？","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2024-12-30T09:32:45.484000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:32:55.911000+08:00","text":"對於立法院三讀通過財劃法後續的相關一些行政救濟等等措施，我們和主計總處，還有行政院，目前都在評估各種相關的措施當中。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:32:56.291000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:33:11.746000+08:00","text":"部長，你說倉促修法改變現有財政秩序，影響各級政府財政的穩健，這是另一個分配不均的開始，那我請問部長，修法前的財劃法，是不是完全沒有分配不均的問題？","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2024-12-30T09:33:11.746000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T09:33:18.813000+08:00","text":"修法前財劃法的情況，我們都很了解，因此是透過一般性補助款，還有計畫型補助款來做一些調劑，我想均衡區域發展跟調劑財政盈虛，一直是我們一直努力在做的，也跟委員報告，從103年到113年，整個這三項的補助已經成長85%，地方財政也從原來的短絀到112年是賸餘六百多億，我想這個部分……","quality":0.284},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:33:18.813000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:33:18.913000+08:00","text":"部長，所以你才會說……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2024-12-30T09:33:18.913000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T09:33:42.757000+08:00","text":"在可以有更好的版本……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:33:42.757000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:33:46.921000+08:00","text":"被卓院長稱為是最好的版本，所以行政院才不願意提修法版本，是這樣子嗎？","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2024-12-30T09:33:46.921000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T09:33:47.921000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，財劃法不是不能調整，但是財政部也一直在努力，第一，財劃法的調整，必須兼顧地方財政需求；第二，中央財政要穩健……","quality":0.038},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:33:47.081000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:34:10.140000+08:00","text":"立法院已經做過主決議要求你們修法，你們都不提，處理好以後，又來推翻，然後說三道四。","quality":0.861},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:34:12.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:34:26.386000+08:00","text":"財劃法三讀通過後，對中央施政的相關窒礙，你說財政部跟主計總處正在研議中，那我請問部長，如果最後結果還是維持修法，那麼所謂的窒礙難行，財政部有沒有信心克服？","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:34:26.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:34:26.906000+08:00","text":"有沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2024-12-30T09:34:27.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:34:53.198000+08:00","text":"對於相關窒礙的部分，剛剛主總在報告時已經分析得相當清楚，至於有沒有要提財劃法修正案，我們在之前已經想過，就是財劃法的修正必須爭取最大的共識，以減少一些爭議，這個部分財政部一直在努力，而且把相關的指標也濃縮，後續就是權重以及調整的係數等等要去進一步討論，我覺得這個部分是財政部一直在努力的。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:34:53.578000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:34:59.969000+08:00","text":"如果可以克服，你認為財政部所堅持的水平、垂直分配的指標，會不會出現偏差？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:35:00.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:35:04.096000+08:00","text":"如果不能克服，會不會考慮你要辭職下臺來負責？","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2024-12-30T09:35:05.334000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:35:13.119000+08:00","text":"我個人並沒有任何的堅持，但是我覺得把財劃法能夠做一個更好的調整，一直是我們努力的方向。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:35:13.519000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:35:15.140000+08:00","text":"好，其實大家都是相同的看法。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:35:16.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:35:28.327000+08:00","text":"最後一個議題，114年度稅課收入編列2.77兆，創歷史新高，而且比113年度預算成長19.88%，我請問部長，修法後的財劃法，對未來年度的稅課收入會不會有影響？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:35:28.327000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:35:28.347000+08:00","text":"會不會？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2024-12-30T09:35:35.007000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:35:47.448000+08:00","text":"第一個，在稅課收入上，比如說以所得稅來說，我們是先估全國的，然後再按財劃法規定的比例，撥到中央統籌分配稅款進去，比例變動當然它的額度就會變動。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:35:50.142000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:36:07.046000+08:00","text":"事實上根據立法院預算中心對財政部評估報告指出，114年度的總預算案，稅課收入占歲入結構比例是87.97%，也就是支應各項正式支出最主要的財源。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:36:07.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:36:35.608000+08:00","text":"但是稅課收入的準確度，從110年度開始，每年稅課收入實徵數遠超過預算數，更矛盾的是114年度預期經濟成長是3.26%，低於113年的3.9%下所編列的稅課收入，反而比113年度增加19.88%，更創歷史新高。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:36:36.569000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:36:46.796000+08:00","text":"部長，失準的稅課收入預算數與預計的經濟成長率對比矛盾的數字，到底是怎麼一回事？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:36:47.416000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:36:55.181000+08:00","text":"意思就是說你成長的高，但是稅課收入少，成長的低反而多，其實這個問題很大。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2024-12-30T09:36:55.181000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T09:36:56.181000+08:00","text":"稅課收入的籌編是依照各個稅目的特性，依各種因素來考量的，同時實徵數也是一個參考因素，所以它和經濟成長率並不是每一個稅目都一定有相關的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2024-12-30T09:36:56.181000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T09:36:57.181000+08:00","text":"好，我想其他下次再問。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T09:36:57.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:36:57.371000+08:00","text":"謝謝林德福林委員。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T09:36:57.871000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T09:37:00.156714+08:00","text":"接著請吳秉叡委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}