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謝謝王次長的口頭報告現在進行詢答每位出席委員質詢8分鐘必要時延長2分鐘列席委員質詢時間為4分鐘發言登記節的時間為上午10點30分委員若有提示提案也請於上午10點30分前提出"},{"start":2260.478,"end":2274.383,"text":"並與本會委員范雲委員質詢結束後及進行處理處理提案時若提案委員及聯署委員均不在場原例不予處理首先請發言登記第一位紅夢凱委員質詢主席謝謝麻煩請王次長"},{"start":2289.933,"end":2290.515,"text":"有請王次長"},{"start":2298.584,"end":2328.324,"text":"市長早市長今天我們就這個兒少頻道的一個部分來做討論其實我想從去年大家共同完成公共電視法修法解除9億的一個限制那可以有更多的一個量能所以說我今天看到說你們的計畫是2023年要挹注至少這個兒少6億元的一個經費開始來做那但是本席也說其實對比其他包括英國、加拿大、美國、德國、法國等"},{"start":2336.007,"end":2345.931,"text":"臺灣今年8月才開始真的還是有慢吶那不過我們想亡羊補牢猶未晚矣但重點是我們現在來討論說到底我們未來的方向"},{"start":2346.471,"end":2362.351,"text":"怎麼樣能夠更精進以及加速來做我先請教一下在節目製作的部分我有看到這個時間新制的時間從原本326個小時提升到362個小時這只是一年是不是"},{"start":2362.811,"end":2376.777,"text":"是指今年,因為節目的產製大概需要一定的時間,他大概沒辦法說現在開始就現在完成,所以在今年提升的時數是預計113年的提升時數。那我們預計這等於是一年新制那麼多的時數,我們預計我們未來的目標是什麼?"},{"start":2384.071,"end":2400.612,"text":"這本期比較好奇因為這個只是心智一個頻道裡面頻道即便是算我們這個白天時間就不扣掉晚上沒有收看的一個時間或說扣掉比較大家會關注的時間如果說整體的心智時數來說以113年我們預估的是639小時"},{"start":2402.875,"end":2426.316,"text":"對,他比一二年的整體的心智還大那個計算基礎有一點不同就是說326到362的部分是指純心智那不包括這些本來的就純自治啦那其實現在公視的策略是其他除了自治之外他也同時跟其他的產業來做合作所以整體來說他的提升的時數是將近兩倍那362"},{"start":2429.238,"end":2434.881,"text":"所以說這一點就是本席納悶的地方就你連今天給我們報告照理講各部會都是報喜不報憂啊有盡量漂亮數字盡量多報結果你們是報憂不報喜啊"},{"start":2450.795,"end":2451.035,"text":"好,沒有問題"},{"start":2480.163,"end":2506.932,"text":"再來我想新制節目是一個部分但是更重要的是譬如說我自己是兩個孩子的父親我一個三歲半一個五歲我們自己念一句不及那個卡通明星我們念一百句不及卡通明星講一句說這個飯後要刷牙睡前要刷牙講半天我們要追著他跑然後說我來幫你刷牙他打死不要但是只要那個巧虎一跟他講是說要刷牙喔"},{"start":2507.372,"end":2526.93,"text":"他馬上他拿著牙刷說爸爸今天晚上要刷牙不然不能睡覺那一樣的道理明星很重要本席也常常陪我女兒看玻璃我甚至我都會唱玻璃的歌玻璃玻璃玻璃不怕任何危險玻璃玻璃玻璃以期勇敢冒險好 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VR等實體的一個展演其實小朋友都非常的喜歡但現在就是過去資源不夠所以今年有這個資源進來我們會再把妖果的IP做更擴大我們必記資源打造妖果小學"},{"start":2700.526,"end":2719.711,"text":"腰是妖怪的腰嗎?對不對?預計我們要花多少的一個經費來做這樣的一個部分?其實腰果這一季第二季是4000萬的預算是在做第二次的動畫因為我們第一季是做了6集15分鐘而已所以我們第二季會再增加它的量"},{"start":2720.285,"end":2721.626,"text":"1162次1162次"},{"start":2750.414,"end":2775.911,"text":"說實在話這不是一個我們期待或是說理想或說真的知名度高的IP這很事實我們今天就是認識您剛提妖國小學我馬上查YouTube上公視兒少這個頻道是3萬8千人的這個點閱戶而妖國小學影集第一季第10集1162次的觀賞"},{"start":2779.332,"end":2793.804,"text":"第12集一千兩百二十二次的觀賞所以說實在話還這量呢還不夠喔量呢還不夠這確實來次長針對這個部分我們有沒有一個不要說KPI啦但至少"},{"start":2794.727,"end":2821.769,"text":"我們自己自製的節目我們也希望有教育意義我們也希望能夠打造一個好的IP那這樣子一個自製節目我們有沒有期待在今年剛剛有講了4千萬4千萬其實對大家來講不一定多但是有沒有一個KPI會認為是說至少我們在今年可以有多少的觀眾數或是說多少人來了解甚至說能夠推廣到多少甚至有沒有可能結合教育部有沒有可能結合衛福部"},{"start":2822.674,"end":2851.025,"text":"我想整體來說臺灣在兒少節目的IP的不足跟它的收視的情況沒有不夠理想這個是一個現實的狀態所以也非常感謝在去年才會以這個新的資源挹注整個投入兒少平台那我想兒少平台目前是一個起點所以在接下來不管是跟教育部跟衛福部的合作或者是說如何擴大因為現在除了這個專屬頻道其實公視也打開了多媒體的多平台的服務它也不再專屬於單一頻道"},{"start":2852.125,"end":2873.456,"text":"⋯⋯⋯"},{"start":2873.797,"end":2898.507,"text":"⋯⋯"},{"start":2898.527,"end":2922.833,"text":"市長我沒有打斷你的話但是第一我們今天談論兒少節目你又去扯說我們不夠善良又扯到這個戲劇這個是有點奇怪那第二本席就是知道說現在不足不足是事實我們今天討論的是怎麼樣提升如同你今天的簡報是說專案報告怎麼樣能夠轉型兒少頻道之後能夠讓我們這個量能出來嘛這也是去年我們所以本席認為是說這樣子"},{"start":2925.107,"end":2950.983,"text":"兩個部分啦我比較具體的建議是不是能夠針對兒少頻道它其實受眾有那受眾主要是教育部主要是衛福部2到6歲可能衛福部6到這個12歲15歲這可能是教育部的部分都是我們兒少頻道一個受眾是不是能夠針對這個部分找教育部找衛福部這邊來開會來討論怎麼樣能夠推廣那另外第二個部分是針對我們的這個KPI"},{"start":2953.41,"end":2962.411,"text":"就是說兒少頻道總是你做出好的節目我也期待我們做出優良的節目但是做出優良的節目以外要有人看這個是重點嘛"},{"start":2963.677,"end":2983.466,"text":"這兩部分怎麼樣有沒有具體的計畫因為這樣子我就會比你今天我今天不否認今天的專案報告我身為一個家長我期待我們台灣有好的自製節目但是我要的是除了好的自製節目以外更多人看甚至我們的兒童以後成長的過程有"},{"start":2984.466,"end":3011.036,"text":"然後我們會自豪將來大了之後會叫我們的小朋友看我想在整體的時數上跟在觀看的這個流量上面的倍增應該是可以提出來的倍增對所以一千多次變兩千多次不是是整體的不是只單一節目啦是說整體的因為如果你的時數是倍增的情況下你的流量當然都可以達到至少是倍增的效果那我想最重要的是擴充那個內容這樣子好不好我比較具體建議第一是不是能夠找"},{"start":3012.276,"end":3036.699,"text":"文化部來邀請教育部跟衛福部這邊來討論一下怎麼樣能夠來推廣可以 這沒問題一個月一個月內可以 是不是我覺得這比較具體我不知道因為受眾在他們那邊其實我們很清楚我們的兒少頻道受眾是哪裡那當然就是借助他跨部會的力量那第二個部分就是針對這個KPI的部分到年底"},{"start":3037.779,"end":3064.937,"text":"我們能夠提出什麼樣我想下一次下一個會期開會我想我們還是會針對這個部分到時候本席會再追我希望是說我們好好努力一定會站在一個家長的立場上我們期待的是有優質的節目讓我們的所有全國的孩童能夠看到然後並且真的是有推廣是這也是我們努力的目標謝謝委員一個月開會之後再把結論告訴給本席以及我們教育文化委員會的委員可以嗎謝謝"},{"start":3068.235,"end":3068.596,"text":"主席"},{"start":3090.534,"end":3110.551,"text":"董事長好我想2006年7月1號是由公視跟華視組成公廣集團你那時候是公視的總經理那我們新任的文化部長小野是華視的總經理你們一起出席的這個所謂的揭牌儀式我還記得非常的清楚那時候小野還蠻高興的說我們希望華視跟公視的結合就好像是35歲的老娘嫁給小8歲的小新郎一樣"},{"start":3112.833,"end":3134.879,"text":"希望老棒生出可以生出好的結果對吧這段對話你應該很清楚就沒想到九個月之後呢我們的小野這個總經理夢碎然後他就淦然離去而且他那時候還特別提到的華氏已經是四不像了然後呢完全也就是不歡而散我不曉得十七八年之後你們再重新的重逢之後你對於這個小野這個部長整頓公廣集團你有沒有信心"},{"start":3141.345,"end":3156.444,"text":"謝謝委員我想過去的確有機會跟這個未來的文化部長有過一些共識的一些經驗那我相信他對公共媒體的現況跟未來發展都很了解我應該有信心他會來支持公共媒體"},{"start":3156.664,"end":3160.067,"text":"所以18年這是一個很好的緣份但是我們還是要就事論事因為你從118年8月到到任華氏說實在的18年來這個進入這樣一個機構當中華氏已經虧損了40億那你118年到任的時候我們不用去算但是呢112年應該是你完整的一整年那我可不可以了解一下112為什麼比111更虧損擴大虧損的1億"},{"start":3184.305,"end":3207.337,"text":"總共虧損了2.4億到底是什麼樣的一個問題用最簡單的部分跟委員報告第一個部分就是因為這個華視有了一個新聞頻道那這個新聞頻道的普及率的增加在NCC當年有承諾人事費必須增加第二個是我們覺得整個過去的華視在最近這幾年來投資內容的部分不足所以"},{"start":3207.677,"end":3212.46,"text":"所以你已經很清楚這個緣故了但是對我個人來說的話華氏我說實在的也非常多的我都還沒有列進去有關於這個華氏的這個房租的意助這是其他台沒有的我想台是應該非常的慶幸他們目前為止他們並沒有進入公廣集團而且他們現在已經轉虧為盈了可是看看華氏過去在我那個年代是一個戲劇王國沒想到18年華氏虧損40億如果你把這個房租放進去的話"},{"start":3236.252,"end":3236.412,"text":"請王次長"},{"start":3254.689,"end":3271.64,"text":"謝謝胡董事長可以回去然後我不知道其他部分只要有部分就請大家一起來做一個回應好了那次長我相信你今天是加碼6億給公視我覺得這還是有年代的一個差別那個洪孟凱說他們家小孩子看玻璃玻璃我記得我家小孩看的時候那時候是公視引進的天線寶寶"},{"start":3272.941,"end":3282.89,"text":"我還幫助他當作代言所以這就表示這個世代的差距但不管怎麼樣水果奶奶都還在只是現在過了這麼久她已經被阿祖了可是問題公視還是只有水果奶奶當作是一個最大的一個指標所以我們來看看這個兒少的節目到底有沒有辦法來做到你給我的資料當中是有6億的分配我不曉得部長你是不是有充分的掌握他的這個資源的一個分配你看6億當中"},{"start":3296.502,"end":3310.128,"text":"我必須要了解短短的幾個字我必須要了解因為你們目前為止不是新設的一個頻道只是一種轉型而且等於換了一個招牌那你內容公視的節目幾乎都是外包的那你這個人事費4300萬到底是怎麼來的不是你們都是外包的嗎那你都有現有的人力啦為什麼然後你們行銷要1億多請問這些經費短短幾個字誰能夠告訴我正確的部分到底是如何而且你看基本營運費要2000萬這個用途到底在哪裡"},{"start":3327.379,"end":3346.137,"text":"有沒有辦法誰來說明一下我想詳細的部分還是請公視來做說明不過還是跟委員做報告就是在整體的產製跟行銷上它仍然是需要新增的人力公視並沒有 4300萬欸我是說在整體的行銷宣傳上那你先告訴我4300萬人事費是怎麼花的你本來就有人啊 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對不對做這個所謂的台灣plus嘛那後來因為本來是預定說是有100萬的下載數然後結果只有5.5萬所以你們就馬上拿給這個連住這個住台的這個外面都認為說少得很可憐所以你們現在把它"},{"start":3674.907,"end":3677.369,"text":"台灣Plus現在已經在包括北美、新加坡、馬來西亞的落地其實都有一定的成績那你給我的資料你來看看連次長你相不相信"},{"start":3692.342,"end":3714.525,"text":"你們當時還請喬委會等等之類的你給我的資料是說九成都是國際觀眾有美國菲律賓然後你來看看你給我的觀看次數八月時候是增加了兩百萬這一個月我用單月來去看喔三月增加了五百萬好了到了2023對不起回到前面那一個台灣plus的觀看次數這一個月當中竟然有一千多萬"},{"start":3715.663,"end":3721.947,"text":"你相信嗎?一千多萬,對不起,次長你看看台灣Plus從成立到現在三年多它的總觀看次數只有三百萬次你現在可以告訴我說你到了一個月可以到一千多萬你到底怎麼樣來看看這個流量到底怎麼樣來計算的"},{"start":3741.32,"end":3752.651,"text":"因為一個月1000多萬次,次長你相信嗎?我把你全部加起來,我甚至調出那12月份的東西全部把它加起來,包括這個怎麼,全部加到這邊裡面才22.9萬,你每個月的關稅到1000萬,你這個次數也未免"},{"start":3757.615,"end":3765.66,"text":"關水的太嚴重了吧那不太不可能是關水我想那應該是計算基礎的問題不會有問題我們也很知道後台的一個計算到底怎麼樣回到剛剛前面那個次序來說請你很清楚的告訴我一個月當中是用這樣的方法你的官方最重要的YouTube頻道只有300多萬人次你全部加起來一個月裡面可以1000多萬人次但它是含次數啊好沒關係我也是用次數啊我也都用次數啊"},{"start":3783.872,"end":3787.074,"text":"而且還有一個新聞事件像那一年因為蔡總統的出訪那一個月就非常的暴增暴增也不會到一千多萬好不好你最多的人次上去點看看人員現在一個個去上去點次看我不管怎麼樣請給我到我辦公室或任何方法給我解釋你這些的流量是怎麼出來我會嚴格的看"},{"start":3803.363,"end":3812.965,"text":"因為我們從後台來看是完全不太可能我不希望我們要面對問題雖然你會發了非常多的錢但是我也不希望給我這樣的一個次數來去看待這個次數是據時統計據時統計來告訴我你是怎麼樣算出來每一筆來告訴我算出來還有包括你那個6億怎麼樣的分配人事分配、基因分配我們都要看得很清楚我們不希望一個這麼好的一個頻道都還是被當作一個實驗的性質公視"},{"start":3831.508,"end":3831.868,"text":"接下來請萬美玲委員"},{"start":3861.721,"end":3862.382,"text":"王次長和胡董事長"},{"start":3874.484,"end":3898.048,"text":"好,兩位早我想首先先就教一下去年5月26號我們立法院三度通過了公視法的修正案將其中第一條的條文公視定位為彌補商業電視的不足修法之後刪除了這個所謂的小而美的一個角色同時我們也讓公視可以掙脫每一年政府可以捐贈9億上限這個你們所謂的緊箍咒那這個距離這個修法"},{"start":3902.469,"end":3904.17,"text":"謝謝委員在修法之後的確在文化部6億元的捐贈經費的增加之下"},{"start":3922.944,"end":3923.024,"text":"所以會不斷進步?"},{"start":3945.526,"end":3950.089,"text":"公視4月8日公布今年第一季的收視率結果平均只有0.09頻道排名第29名收視的平均跟排名都比去年還要再下滑了整個頻道的排名更是5年來的最差"},{"start":3973.626,"end":3992.932,"text":"我們再來看這個晚間時段的收視率更只有0.19也是繼2008年以來的新低所以胡董事長我想請教一下為什麼我們立法院修法讓公視有更多的制播的量呢有給你更多的揮灑的空間那文化部的補助也從去年的9億暴增到了一個30億結果呢"},{"start":3994.973,"end":4019.979,"text":"你剛才也說了我們給予這麼多的調整結果你交出來是這種成績單你認為這樣的表現你有覺得有及格嗎?在你預料之中嗎?跟委員報告一下所謂捐贈經費的增加是有一部分是原來補助項目調整為捐贈董事長本席的問題是這樣的一個成績你滿意嗎?"},{"start":4021.547,"end":4042.877,"text":"當然還是有強化的空間只是有強化的空間所以你覺得還可以是這樣嗎那個董事長我想我們來看一下這個成績這樣成績覺得還可以這你可以接受補助這麼多的經費然後這個法令上給予很多的鬆綁希望他有好的表現結果排名是五年來最差收視率一直往下降怎麼會這樣呢"},{"start":4044.278,"end":4045.439,"text":"產制我們等一下要來談喔"},{"start":4063.759,"end":4064.3,"text":"胡董事長麻煩一下胡董事長"},{"start":4087.333,"end":4105.16,"text":"雖然我們從去年開始全面加速數位轉型希望提供在其他平台的服務不過我還是覺得原來的頻道它的確對於像比如說年紀比較長的壯世代的這些觀眾來講是非常重要所以這塊我們還是會努力"},{"start":4106.934,"end":4112.417,"text":"我想 會後你應該要擬定一個計畫出來因為本席剛剛聽到的是你點出過去既有的問題點那你只有既有的問題點然後你沒有一個辦法沒有一個計畫問題永遠就在那裡所以我認為給本席給一個建議真的要擬出你現在問題點出來的計畫是什麼"},{"start":4126.323,"end":4139.837,"text":"你預計怎麼改嘛?循序經理怎麼做嘛?我們沒有要求你今天是29名然後歷年來收視最低馬上要竄升到第一這不可能的事情嘛那你要調整要有計畫出來所以呢我希望啦針對這些問題點這些計畫你要開始做啦那再來呢剛剛提到了公視預計8月20號要把公視的第3台轉型成公視兒少頻道那這一點胡董事長我們公視準備好了嗎?"},{"start":4151.921,"end":4180.641,"text":"我們現在存在於衝刺當中準備好了嗎我們希望我們應該是有信心的有信心但是準備工作做了嗎我們按時間表在操課所以是有信心可以完成是這樣嗎對好很好因為只有信心沒有計畫缺乏執行力那是不行的好嗎所以呢我想既然我們有信心也有目標了那是不是你要為這個公視的兒少頻道定一個平均收視的目標這是最清楚的"},{"start":4181.984,"end":4206.527,"text":"跟委員說明一下因為今年8月才要開始所以我們覺得今年的經驗所以要請你訂目標啊意思就是說我們今年的經驗可以作為我們訂目標來年訂目標的一個重要的參考今年的目標我們在如果您談的是收視率的話我們還涉及到頻道的位置還有其他相關的資源的準備所以這個部分我們真的要跟委員"},{"start":4206.867,"end":4232.225,"text":"董事長我們拿文化部這個頻道拿文化部高達6億的預算但是呢當然您說就是依據今年我們這個開播之後來調整明年的這個收視目標我可以接受那叫調整但你不可能一個新台也拿了這個文化部的補助然後我沒有目標我說我今年來做做看說完以後明年我們再來設定目標這是不能接受的啦好不好我想我們再把整個"},{"start":4233.266,"end":4251.275,"text":"整體的目標跟包括流量整個的目標提供給委員很好 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bar你不小心按到55秒你可能還要稍微拖一下很像要打電動一樣我想這個其實所有的Podcast的頁面都有標的很清楚到底是幾點幾分上線可不可以跟廠商討論一下是不是可以讓我們的Podcaster或者廠商在報名的時候可以再更簡單一點"},{"start":4965.501,"end":4968.97,"text":"不然這我們科技之島真的有點小丟臉了齁那"},{"start":4970.069,"end":4994.956,"text":"再來第三也分享一下現在是數位化的時代大家都用多元的行動裝置有人只有平板有人只有手機結果我們竟然發現我們要上傳檔案要報名沒有電腦沒辦法完成這上面有一個小字說手機是沒有辦法用的我不知道有沒有測試過最後一點我先確認一下你們報名規則有沒有規定一定要電腦才會報名"},{"start":4997.287,"end":5018.345,"text":"抱歉委員 這個細節我要確認一下好 待會我會問一下你們的測試的過程也希望提供最後一點 最讓人不可置信也非常擔心的我們要上傳Podcast的錄音檔竟然需要先安裝系統上指定的軟體我已經幾乎沒有過這樣的經驗我要上傳檔案之前要先下載一個檔案還要安裝"},{"start":5020.567,"end":5039.297,"text":"這還不只是這樣喔 這個軟體居然沒有繁體中文的介面只有簡體中文請問一下文化部我們今天是報而且這個軟體你如果下載所謂的擴展不好意思這是大陸用語進去了以後發現是什麼1.6顆星評價非常低我都還覺得它是假軟體非常可怕"},{"start":5040.397,"end":5062.038,"text":"請問一下文化部我們今天報名的臺灣金鐘獎還是對岸的菁英獎參賽者已經快要分不清楚了我們合約裡有沒有要求系統廠商一定要用繁體中文我們堂堂一個國家級的競賽獎項我就看到這個簡體中文阿因為這個狀況其實不太可能是不可以被發生的所以我們會後會立刻澄清也會立刻改善"},{"start":5062.418,"end":5071.986,"text":"太好了太好了我想多久之內可以改善那到底什麼樣限期改善是不是都盡可能的快速的提供我們今天也都有媒體在現場那請問一下文化部我們會發生這樣的問題我相信大家都不願意看到也謝謝您剛剛非常負責就是說我們要立刻來處理"},{"start":5081.855,"end":5099.248,"text":"我就想要問我們今天測試的是報名流程是podcast其他的影片的獎項其他的獎項你說金鐘獎可能還有其他的節目廣播節目全部都來檢視一下那到底在這個報名的系統上線之前到底有沒有經歷"},{"start":5100.629,"end":5117.671,"text":"什麼樣的評估標準有沒有經歷什麼樣的測試有沒有經歷什麼樣的一個會議的流程這個部分是不是我可以因為我們是要求上線前啦已經發生過了可不可以整理起來一週之內提供我們了解一下就照你這個流程到底是怎麼run會出現這樣的問題好不好"},{"start":5118.812,"end":5122.015,"text":"我們會先澄清釐清為提供資料而且立即改修雖然我有點激動但我們都還是要來協作一起想要讓這個服務可以更好所以我想為了祈求金鐘獎甚至是接下來拿一個小禮物"},{"start":5135.836,"end":5137.477,"text":"我想委員我們就一定會做到,應該不用這樣"},{"start":5160.851,"end":5167.078,"text":"我想委員我們剛已經做了承諾那該有的改善我們都會改善好不好謝謝委員謝謝委員的好意謝謝"},{"start":5185.338,"end":5190.655,"text":"這是數位部部長唐鳳 怕您是覺得我畫得不好看所以不是我畫的 所以希望可以收下"},{"start":5191.465,"end":5203.77,"text":"那我想接下來我還是要來關心Podcast的獎項當然很高興有一個新的內容跟獎項上來但是我們發現這個分類其實有點特別生活風格獎、藝術文化獎、兒童節目還分成少年跟兒童這其實跟我們現在Podcast的排名其實是很不一樣的希望我們之後可以稍微再討論怎麼樣來擴增怎麼樣來適應台灣的Podcast收聽的類別"},{"start":5220.816,"end":5241.673,"text":"那我想接下來還有一個議題我也非常關注除了Podcast方面傳出好消息有這個新的類別我們非常非常的興奮這個也恭祝所有的Podcast希望都可以得到這個非常好的獎項而且也希望這個報名的流程可以持續的精進那在113年度的戲劇及節目類的金鐘獎的要點當中針對戲劇及節目獎、迷你劇集獎以及電視電影獎的類別都分別做出了調整尤其是電視電影獎"},{"start":5250.84,"end":5279.683,"text":"新增了一個定義要求競賽影片的長度必須達到60分鐘以上受到各界關注有非常多人來告訴我們這件事請問一下次長第59屆金鐘獎對於電視電影獎新增長度的規定到底是為什麼你們把它提高了去年的5部入圍就有2部是低於30分鐘結果你們現在一次提高到60分鐘是覺得去年的2部不應該入圍嗎是不是可以簡要說明"},{"start":5280.416,"end":5300.152,"text":"跟委員做個報告因為電視電影這個獎項其實我們一直在對標國際事實上業界跟評審已經反映非常多年其實大概有5、6年的時間都希望我們能夠把電視電影去對標國際的獎項有一個明確的分中數所以我們參考了金球獎、艾美獎跟所有的獎項事實上他們大概都是在60幾分鐘到70幾分鐘"},{"start":5301.493,"end":5301.673,"text":"好 謝謝喔"},{"start":5316.806,"end":5344.433,"text":"可是我想三金就是三金嘛突然又講一個金稅那你們現在可不可以好好來行銷就是四金啊那不然電視短片電影的短片相關的短片其實你不要拿說那兩個講說這兩個是這樣全世界還有那麼多的獎項你們全部比完了嗎也可能沒有嘛你不能說少數人這樣講我們就這樣做改變明明去年就有兩部這麼精彩的作品入圍我們也幫各位做了功課"},{"start":5345.393,"end":5369.903,"text":"事實上有非常非常多國際知名的導演都是從電視或電影的短片起家的比如說曾康平啦比如說我自己的超級愛他的電影《教父》到現在都還是全球百大前三名這個馬丁史柯西斯這個大學時期就以三部短片展開自己的導演生涯相較於長片、電影短片的內容自由度非常的高"},{"start":5370.583,"end":5399.69,"text":"那我想這個非常多的導演都在學生時代出入行的時候用短片來做作品啊許多的新銳導演都用這種方式來做出世提升他們可能沒有才錢但是他們可能有才情透過一部短片可以讓評審看得出來他的實力像去年第58屆的金鐘獎我們剛剛就提到兩部作品入圍低於30分鐘為什麼我們會用這種打折的方式來做呢那你們剛剛的配套說是讓他去做金碎獎"},{"start":5400.47,"end":5409.556,"text":"我們是不是趕快就開始來行銷嘛不是三金啊你是四金啊還是多金啊那不然你弄一個三金你說你這個不是三金你去報經稅那這樣我覺得對於這些創作者不公平實際上"},{"start":5415.492,"end":5437.03,"text":"我們剛剛看到的就是全世界讓我講完不好意思喔全世界也有很多新的風潮Netflix就已經開始在推動短影片的製作那Netflix到底是電影還是電視啊我們看到Netflix找威斯安德森就做了這個亨利休格的神奇故事啊片長30分鐘喔來報名金鐘是沒辦法報名的喔結果呢照樣奪得奧斯卡獎"},{"start":5442.435,"end":5443.175,"text":"金鐘獎太有指標了好不好"},{"start":5471.86,"end":5486.974,"text":"不好意思 我們就是覺得它很重要我們覺得去年有兩部入圍就是低於這個長度我們今年還有奧斯卡獎就是39分鐘我相信世界的潮流是很多元的不是少數的人少數的獎項是這樣我們就立刻要來更改希望有更多的討論有更多元的報名方式好不好還是期許文化部通盤考量"},{"start":5495.101,"end":5506.466,"text":"給予一個國際高度更多元的舞台讓台灣的影視音樂創作也包含新的Podcast可以擺脫束縛近期的自由成長野蠻生長茁壯持續的多元發展好嗎謝謝好 謝謝謝謝葛如君委員兩位次長請回我們接下來請郭育晴委員"},{"start":5525.751,"end":5529.387,"text":"主席好 有請王次長好 有請王次長"},{"start":5533.314,"end":5556.055,"text":"市長早安我想其實剛剛大家都已經聽到有很多人在關心所謂的兒少的一個頻道跟節目啦那我相信其實我們在公共電視上面也挹注了很多的資源就是在公共電視那但是相對的來講是不是在資源上的一個分配不均喔我們等一下稍微再來討論一下喔那我想"},{"start":5557.396,"end":5578.681,"text":"針對所謂的兒少節目台灣目前為止我們的自治率幾乎是全球倒數那當然其實我們也希望能夠把這樣子的一個狀況能夠在這幾年當中我們既然已經發現問題其實這是一個非常大的問題因為兒少節目其實對於孩童的影響有可能會是一輩子"},{"start":5579.601,"end":5606.289,"text":"當然其實兒童在成長的過程中他們的整個所有的心理的結構或者是他們的心理的一個素質其實3歲到5歲到7歲他可能都有不同的一個細微的一個發展跟不同的一個變化所以針對這個部分其實在兒少節目當中我們更需要挹注更大量的一個資源來提供給兒少更好的優質的一個節目我相信這一點大家應該都認同對吧好"},{"start":5608.63,"end":5626.459,"text":"市長知道慕尼黑兒童影展他們的宗旨嗎請教委員慕尼黑他們的兒童影展他們的宗旨是讓孩子們能夠從影片上看到他們成長的問題也能夠從影片上看到他們成長問題當中去得到答案"},{"start":5627.259,"end":5647.944,"text":"我想這是非常好的一個宗旨也值得我們一起共同來學習但是我們可以從這張表看到目前台灣兒少節目製作的時數這個2023年還沒有出來這些數據是文策院這邊產業調查報告所顯示的從2019年的1584小時到2020年的1243小時"},{"start":5653.726,"end":5673.619,"text":"一直到2021年的994小時還有2022年的890小時到現在為止我相信應該是更低這一點應該沒錯吧我們希望在今年2024年也就是從公視在兒少頻道整體的策略展開之後會有"},{"start":5674.48,"end":5691.63,"text":"⋯⋯"},{"start":5691.63,"end":5705.461,"text":"因為就我過去在影視產業當中其實我也觀察到一個現象所有的戲劇類的節目所有的節目類型當中其實兒少的節目是最難製作的相對的來講它的成本也最低"},{"start":5708.769,"end":5732.006,"text":"我說的所謂的成本最低是他們所花的能夠運用在兒少節目的成本是相對的很低我從一個同業當中的口中知道他們其實很用心在製作兒少的節目但是他們的經費真的非常非常的辛苦包含實境節目一集可能只有15萬你想想看一集15萬我們能夠做些什麼"},{"start":5734.247,"end":5757.148,"text":"是 所以包括政府的補助資金以及投資的資金跟民間合資合智的資金這些要帶動才有可能改善當然這是次長我們當然也希望是從我們的政府開始做起但是像之前我們舉個例子來講科普教育節目它其實就有比較龐大的一個資源可以挹注因為是國科會贊助的這一點您知道嗎"},{"start":5758.869,"end":5777.439,"text":"為什麼我們不能從國家開始做起而現在其實我們把所有的資源剛剛聽下來幾乎只有投注在公共電視上那其他的頻道我們不能再仰賴民間我們來看下一張圖在國際青少年跟媒體教育中心這是提供的一個2018年的資料我不曉得這張資料所有在場的與會的人士你們看過這張圖嗎"},{"start":5783.237,"end":5803.991,"text":"好 我們來看一下這個是從左邊依序是字字以及中間的橘色的部分是跨國合制以及外購的節目我們非常非常難過的是看到台灣所謂的兒童節目的頻道外購的節目幾乎超過90%以上"},{"start":5807.236,"end":5812.913,"text":"另外我們自己本身自製的兒少的節目居然只有百分之八"},{"start":5813.959,"end":5835.535,"text":"我們可以再回過頭來看一下左邊過來的第三個古巴他們自從在2007年他們的自製節目本來只有6%但是後來他們引進一些國外包含一些外國的團隊跟他們來做共同的一個合作之後他們的自製節目在2018年已經超過了33%超過了5倍台灣為什麼不做呢?"},{"start":5839.545,"end":5843.57,"text":"我們可不可以因為再來很多人都會提到所謂的兒少節目的製作的人才是不足的"},{"start":5860.109,"end":5873.874,"text":"但是我們從很多的大學影相關的影視科系當中其實這個部分就沒有在鼓勵啊所以這邊的人才的培養其實是斷層的我們也憂慮這個斷層但這個部分我們是不是可以從文化部、教育部我們跨部會來做這樣子的一個演繹讓我們在學校端就有人才的產出"},{"start":5886.019,"end":5913.867,"text":"也願意投注一些資源在他們的身上提高製作的費用這樣子我們的兒少節目才有未來才有將來啊跟委員做說明我想跟不管是跟學校的合作人才的富裕這個都可以展開跟教育部合作也沒有什麼問題那但是還是要說明就是在整體的這個影視音製作的環境它還是要有市場驅動這也是為什麼我們把第一目標放在跟民間的產製來做結合因為如果沒有市場的需求驅動的話其實學校的"},{"start":5915.828,"end":5920.593,"text":"但我們不能只依靠民間喔就像我剛剛以古巴的例子我們不能只靠民間我們是不是可以從我們的政府從我們的整個所謂的部會開始做起我們去引進一些比方說國外的一些製作的團隊他們來到台灣來跟我們做一個跨國的合作"},{"start":5939.011,"end":5940.393,"text":"因為我們看到其實公共建設他們現在有很多的擴大的一個真案"},{"start":5956.175,"end":5982.676,"text":"但這個擴大的一些政案包含所謂的侵蜘彈劃性的一個節目1680萬有60集沒有錯吧有60集但是一集其實我們扣掉平均的一些成本包含棚內包含人才包含機包含我們的這個所有的攝影器材等等其實這些人員的費用扣除之後可用的餘額真的也不高一集大概就是28萬含稅"},{"start":5984.949,"end":5991.991,"text":"整體資源來說其實以公視6億的投注來說相對於整個兒少影視影產自需要市場仍然是不足"},{"start":5993.44,"end":6018.505,"text":"雖然6億聽起來很多但是我們也希望其他更沒有被重視到的一些頻道他們也願意來投注這樣子的一個製作的產量我們希望由起點開始今年8月之後我們可以真的把下一次我們再來討論的時候我們能夠支持的這樣子的一個頻率是提高的可以嗎 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好了因為主席已經站起來了好 謝謝主席 謝謝委員好 謝謝秀堡委員次長秦暉我再次宣告一下待本席質詢完畢我們休息五分鐘接下來請吳佩奕委員"},{"start":7108.602,"end":7111.978,"text":"謝謝主席 我請文化部次長好 請王次長"},{"start":7116.809,"end":7120.132,"text":"委員好 次長好 我們台灣的變裝皇后尼菲亞尼菲亞在我們這個世界國際的RuPaul這個比賽當中奪冠那是史上的第一人也打破了這個節目13季以來的這個亞洲魔咒那我們小英總統第一時間也到社群台上面去給她祝賀"},{"start":7138.707,"end":7155.682,"text":"其中就提到說變裝皇后這是一個非常不容易的一個藝術恭喜她的成就以及勇敢的做自己那文化部的臉書呢也發表了一篇文章那現在最新的消息是傳出我們文化部因為今年有參與巴黎的文化奧運我們有一個台灣館嘛也會邀請尼菲亞來到現場去演出嗎目前的規劃是怎麼樣"},{"start":7161.867,"end":7176.507,"text":"是,因為我們這一次巴黎的這個奧運有一個文化奧運的項目那台灣也有參與那所以呢我們也有邀請了非常多的團體我們邀請了22個團體,超過120個人進行現場的演出那其中呢有一個位就是尼菲亞"},{"start":7177.268,"end":7180.749,"text":"其實對於台灣的文化藝術表演團體能夠出海能夠在國際的舞台上面讓更多人看見我想這是對我們台灣的本土文化界來說是一個非常重要的一個舞台那今年的巴黎文化奧運它總共是有幾個國家的場館那整個目前接洽籌備的進度過程是怎麼樣"},{"start":7201.135,"end":7228.838,"text":"跟委員做說明這個所謂的文化奧運的部分是這一次巴黎奧運的單獨的發起那在整個法國裡面它其實是一個大的完整計畫在法國有700多個城市裡面有推出2500項的計畫那在巴黎這裡比較特殊的是它會有一個拉維特園區這個園區裡面會有獨立的這個邀請透過園區的邀請來讓各個不同的國家在這邊進行文化性的交流跟演出那台灣因為是受邀的單位之一"},{"start":7229.138,"end":7250.794,"text":" 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那我想要再追問一個就是說我看到一個得標廠商是風采這個公司他過去其實做偶像劇的那他現在得標的是叫做親子的棚內談話節目所以我就會很好奇啊像他這樣子一個廠商沒有兒少遊戲沒有兒少節目經驗的他要如何來做這樣子的一個節目因為這個其實不是說把來賓換成大人跟小孩就可以就是一個屬於兒少的節目所以這個部分我覺得可能"},{"start":8281.667,"end":8285.212,"text":"我想這聽起來公視要去協調來輔導這些廠商的壓力應該是非常沉重所以我覺得這個部分我們可能要來再做一些不同的思考就是說因為剛有提到合制啦所以我覺得這部分可能也是一個"},{"start":8297.31,"end":8314.848,"text":"如果我們全部都要自己來協調製作我覺得8月一定會來不及所以合制也許是一個我們要思考的方向那所以我想要再問更細節的部分就是說就是自製到底有多少多少是來自於採購我現在在報告裡面是沒有看到但是在2017年的研究裡面是有發現我們自製的節目是過少的"},{"start":8316.178,"end":8344.037,"text":"所以這個部分因為我們既然講人才富裕所以這個部分一定要達到某一個比例那再來就是說自己自製新節目的時候呢是不是有一些時數的限制畢竟如果重複一直播舊的也不是一件好事啦所以這是不是有相關的規定第三個就是回到剛剛講的我們如果都直接扣過我們自己協調製作我們是不是可以用另外一個方式來做前測呢它可能我們有一些腳本我們可以先找兒少來評估來做前測來確認這個方向是他喜歡的調整好之後我們再開始做做自製"},{"start":8344.939,"end":8346.586,"text":"這三件事情是我們目前有相關的規劃嗎?"},{"start":8348.383,"end":8351.045,"text":"聽起來好像已經有詳細的規劃,這些詳細的規劃是不是也可以在兩個禮拜送到我們辦公室?"},{"start":8376.704,"end":8393.422,"text":"好 沒有問題謝謝那再來就是說其實我自己是非常喜歡看兒少節目所以我不知道次長跟董事長有沒有看過這兩個節目因為像海洋日記其實是你們自己過去跟民間合制嘛那這兩個產品作品都得到了德國慕尼黑國際兒少雙年展"},{"start":8394.162,"end":8422.121,"text":"甚至也有得到美國內華達成的野生動物及風景電影節最佳兒童影片所以這兩個其實都是蠻不錯的一個作品所以我會希望就是說因為我看到你們的計畫也有說要跟富邦文教基金會來去做合作那我不太確定現在規劃的一個跟他們洽談的一個時程是什麼因為我覺得這都是兩個已經在網路上面評價也都不錯的一個節目我們是不是可以讓他持續的來發展而且他也強調是台灣的山海的一個教育這部分是不是有比較詳細的已經進行的一個時程呢"},{"start":8424.882,"end":8447.052,"text":"我們跟富邦文教基金會以及其他的民間過去有這類經驗的都在進行討論那富邦的部分我們前一段時間也進行了一些討論但是具體的部分是不是請說明一下其實富邦文教基金會它是一直在做兒少IP賦育的這個計畫那其實它賦育出來很好的IP我們就會一起跟他合作把它做成節目"},{"start":8447.552,"end":8468.465,"text":"這是我們現在一直持續在進行的所以除了這個之外我們後續還有新的節目可以推出所以目前已經跟對方聯繫了嗎對 是的因為我收到的資訊好像不是這樣所以這個我們會後詳細討論好不好那再來就是說我希望就是因為要做得上節目我只有靠公視自己真的是太辛苦了所以我們一定要做到公視協力這件事情"},{"start":8469.485,"end":8498.107,"text":"再來我最後的一個建議是說我們兒少台節目製作的建議一定要有一定程度比例的外部兒少的專業團體來參與前面的內部發想參與前面的測試再來就是說我們當然現在可能沒有那麼多廠商但是我覺得就是我們如果可以讓有更多的兒少專家在民間團體和民間團體的諮詢參與我們其實就能夠把關這個品質是不是符合兒少的需求因為畢竟六億不是小錢我們要照顧到兒童我們還是要回應到是不是他們的喜好"},{"start":8499.638,"end":8523.81,"text":"那抱歉我再用最後一分鐘講一件事情就是說我想我們台灣人所有人集體的共識對於228的一個態度應該都是一個悲傷而且緬懷而且沉痛反思的一個態度我相信次長應該是非常認同這是我看到我現在只要搜尋228我們搜尋到的相關報導都是在紀念"},{"start":8524.83,"end":8551.444,"text":"但是呢 那再加上我們其實有非常多的 過半的民眾其實也是支持這個所謂的轉型正義喔但是我看到TimePlus在連續兩年的228都在做蔣介石的legacy我當然認為就是說 我們要去來討論蔣介石的一個公與過 不是不可以但是我們要在228這一天做這件事情嗎"},{"start":8552.915,"end":8552.955,"text":"我想..."},{"start":8581.221,"end":8610.018,"text":"面對台灣的歷史是所有台灣人共同的責任跟義務那尤其透過這些紀念目的不只是悲傷更重要的事情是獲得前進跟堅決支持民主的力量所以究竟在整個國際的媒體呈現上台灣要呈現什麼樣的國際面貌我想讓公視台灣plus有更深層的思考根據台灣主體性的思考我想這是必要的所以我想這些內容我們就讓台灣plus來做"},{"start":8611.38,"end":8611.921,"text":"台灣Plus"},{"start":8622.142,"end":8648.333,"text":"跟委員報告我們大概統計了一下從開台到現在針對轉型正義做的大概55則相關的新聞跟報導那麼委員所談的這個部分我們相關的部分我們後續會做檢討再跟您提出報告沒有問題對因為我想這個重點是說我們當然平常都有做很多轉型正義可是我們在228這一天耶這天做這件事情是不恰當的吧市長你同意嗎?董事長你同意嗎?"},{"start":8649.599,"end":8650.659,"text":"好,那我就等公視提供給我的報告,謝謝"},{"start":8669.428,"end":8669.448,"text":"蔣麗芸議員"},{"start":8698.787,"end":8700.55,"text":"有請引進委員請王次長跟胡董事長有請次長跟董事長委員好次長好"},{"start":8714.626,"end":8729.606,"text":"兒童權利公約第17條提到就是說我們必須鼓勵大眾媒體直播無論在社會或文化對兒童有益的資訊那這些資訊當然包括所屬文化"},{"start":8730.287,"end":8731.808,"text":"首先文化部在報告中有提到"},{"start":8756.59,"end":8777.871,"text":"公視的捐贈經費從9億元增加到2、3億中間有6億會用在兒少節目上可是我們翻看預算書來看這個數字好像沒有那麼精確預算書寫著這6億是來自黑潮計畫的挹注那一部分是辦理台灣兒少原生"},{"start":8779.452,"end":8807.828,"text":"內容跟節目的直播那可是一部分要用在提升台灣原創動畫內容直播的量能還有一部分是要用在開發跟賦予台灣原生內容跟劇本那好 那顯然兒少節目在這個直播的規模就不會達到6億那這6億當然也不是全部用在兒少的服務上所以可不可以請次長說明一下那兒少節目究竟佔了多少預算"},{"start":8808.388,"end":8830.043,"text":"那我們要用這樣的預算做哪些工作?謝謝委員的垂詢那因為整個兒少影視映的製作它是一個整體環境那台灣以現在的兒少影視映環境來說是先天就不足那目前也算後天失調因為六一也實在是算上是一個非常充足的經費那所以在整個兒少的過程裡面它包括開發、孵育、產製"},{"start":8832.444,"end":8833.405,"text":"中文字幕提供"},{"start":8850.377,"end":8866.603,"text":"現在第一階段如果能有原生的比例指的是台灣自己的IP原始的產制這是最好但是即使沒有我們有退而求其次就是跟其他的IP來做合作或者是更退而求其次把其他的IP做台灣的台語的語言的配音大概有幾個不同的策略來"},{"start":8868.104,"end":8895.131,"text":"整體性的強化提升整個兒少在影星市場上的整個的量能因為如果現在最大的問題是其實你看不到台灣自己自製的兒少節目才是核心的問題因為大概九成以上都是所謂外來的或者是外購的這個節目所以他在策略上會有這樣的一個差異所以雖然委員看到的是說在整體的經費配置上似乎沒有全部用在兒少頻道但是他指的是在整個環境裡面你還是要把整個環境的調整"},{"start":8897.512,"end":8897.732,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":8915.879,"end":8932.637,"text":"⋯⋯"},{"start":8932.977,"end":8961.094,"text":"接下來想請教董事長就是說未來我們轉型這個兒少頻道我們站在公視3台可是公視3台有個根本的問題就是民眾找不到它在哪裡公視3台它這個區塊在挑戰民眾使用遙控器的習慣因為它幾乎被排在一兩百號的位置根據各地的這個系統台不同你就是像現在在這裡在中正區它的這個遙控器要輸幾號你知道嗎"},{"start":8962.366,"end":8990.105,"text":"公視三台139那各地又不同所以我想這個是一個很嚴肅的問題啦齁那我們既然要推廣那我們就要養成民眾收視的習慣你要讓他習慣知道按幾台阿第八幾台我想那是沒人會伺候下去所以是不是有沒有辦法努力讓這個頻道固定起來而且可以啦位置擺前面一點就跟公視家族擺在一起你覺得勒?"},{"start":8991.893,"end":9007.003,"text":"謝謝委員的關注,我們也覺得這個是非常大的問題,因為我們有100多,而且沒有定評,那我們現在有跟系統業者也跟NCC來請教跟協調,不過好像到目前為止他們仍然認為在法律上的規定"},{"start":9008.39,"end":9009.191,"text":"好 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對不對我的父母也是他的父母帶長大的阿我的阿公阿嬤帶長大的我這個是根據資料的將近80%大部分的兒童都是爺爺奶奶帶長大"},{"start":9908.797,"end":9911.098,"text":"各位在家庭你知道我們今天談兒少"},{"start":9923.393,"end":9947.373,"text":"因為大家知道我在談壯世代其實你看那個很多我們都不理爸爸不理這些人所以你知道大部分的孩子、兒童到了小學畢業之後就回到父母的身邊然後就遠離了他的爺爺奶奶甚至很多人我們測過對爺爺奶奶認識度只有30分"},{"start":9951.631,"end":9959.404,"text":"爺爺奶奶認識小孫子都有大到80分世代 因為爺爺奶奶落伍了"},{"start":9961.934,"end":9967.477,"text":"文化部想像的高齡社會是什麼?你想像的高齡社會是一個金字塔型的還是一個倒金字塔型?"},{"start":9985.663,"end":9997.232,"text":"我想台灣整體面臨人口老化已經是一個很重要的議題已經是上升到甚至是國安問題我想大家都很瞭解台灣在未來老化的現象會越來越嚴重主力就是高齡者高齡者所有的生產力、消費力"},{"start":10008.16,"end":10029.497,"text":"各方面都是高齡的社會但是我們不曉得文化部在設定文化的時候如何看上面這一層應該是整體啦,整體的人都是文化部的服務對象的確沒有看到你們去年在60歲以上的文化預算只占文化部的0.2%我有去統計"},{"start":10033.704,"end":10053.982,"text":"這一部分 史部長都認同啊所以他為什麼這麼的驚訝我們都在做青年文化在做古蹟文化對於這一塊你只要過60歲包括我們的文化界的人過了一個年齡以後幾乎都是放到倉庫裡面"},{"start":10056.384,"end":10077.027,"text":"這一個裡面的 都有在做 但是比例太少了 不成人口比例 不成人口比例好 謝謝你們現在在做 這個算是在做了嘛 這一個我要請問我們次長 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是跟民間合作我說的擴散指的是第二個就是說跟民間不管是在資金面還是在產製面展開合作這是第二件事情所以他一定要透過民間的力量的引進所以在公視裡面包括現在我們"},{"start":12138.212,"end":12157.822,"text":"希望公視來跟民間合資合智的標準也都已經放寬這是第二件事那第三個就是在開發端那在開發端這一件事上呢我們希望的是跟台灣的IP合作就是說要發展成台灣的影視兒少的影視音節目它其實需要我們有自己的IP那所以民間台灣民間有IP但是IP並未見得會成為動畫啦戲劇啦等等的節目所以在"},{"start":12161.624,"end":12184.372,"text":"台灣自己的人生IP上的合作會是第三個面向第四個面向當然就是所謂的人才富裕就是我們希望透過共治的方式來同步進行人才富裕因為我剛一開始有說到公視現在有點先天不良一開始整個在製作環境上面可以投注在兒少的資源就非常的少那現在即使有了6億其實6億也不算是一個足夠的數字"},{"start":12185.913,"end":12189.235,"text":"我以前就關心過這個議題啊不管是英國的BBC或者是我們其他國家的公視集團台灣的公視算是規模相對的小"},{"start":12208.829,"end":12216.716,"text":"那而且呢也謝謝我們各位委員的支持我們之前修法讓公視公管集團解除了9億的限制沒錯沒錯讓他可以有更多無限的可能那我也希望以這個為利機那現在看到這個兒少的小公司要開台要開頻道"},{"start":12226.824,"end":12253.438,"text":"我們擔心的是什麼資源不夠多那你剛才提到說要跟民間合作那跟民間的合作那邁向國際我相信這也不是只有我們自己台灣自由的IP或者是頻道平台合作還必須要是要邁向國際因為我們現在的孩子坦白說能夠接收到的資訊非常的多元而且接收的管道也非常非常的多那幾乎人手一雞"},{"start":12254.238,"end":12261.988,"text":"那如何的能夠讓孩子在他們生活當中可以接觸到我們公視的這個所謂的小公視兒少頻道而且進一步的能夠吸引到他們來閱聽來收視那個才是重點啊"},{"start":12270.618,"end":12285.028,"text":"是,因為公視今年是第一年我想非常謝謝大院的支持做了修法的這個使得預算可以提高上限那我希望可以給公視機會讓他們一步一步來從這個起步開始能夠累積越來越多的台灣的兒少節目的內容"},{"start":12285.868,"end":12287.389,"text":"委員會提供各級學校的教師,他可能是一個多元的一個兒少節目轉為他豐富的影音的素材可以發展成教案"},{"start":12309.738,"end":12334.115,"text":"現在公視有在提供嘛 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那孩子自身能不能"},{"start":12334.855,"end":12364.838,"text":"⋯⋯⋯"},{"start":12364.898,"end":12386.944,"text":"他可以能夠深化、內化成他自己的觀念我覺得這個也是我們必須該做的這些就是兒少影星內容節目的主要目標對,所以我再回到我剛剛一開始講的我們的內容產業我們如何能夠讓它更細緻化、更專業化、更生活化那這個後面就必須要有更多的人"},{"start":12388.104,"end":12390.085,"text":"謝謝何欣淳委員我們再來請鄭天才委員"},{"start":12434.156,"end":12462.693,"text":"各位委員請次長還有胡董事長好請次長跟胡董事長次長好胡董事長好這個今天的專題報告非常好這個文化部還有公共電視也積極的在推動這個計畫所以這裡面今天跨族群、跨平台、跨語言"},{"start":12464.781,"end":12476.71,"text":"當然這個兒少目前對兒少的定義兒童有定義幾歲到幾歲12歲然後少年到未滿18歲所以都有這個所以是這個年齡層也蠻長的所以這個部分在這樣的一個規劃裡面"},{"start":12488.663,"end":12489.043,"text":"以公視目前的規劃來說,我想"},{"start":12504.016,"end":12531.273,"text":"這個小公視已經在開始執行的那個方向是因為8月原則上8月底就要開台所以公視已經在積極的籌備那在開台之前就一定要要開始包括徵案包括自治包括核制大概都在同步進行當中所以公視現在整個團隊在製作壓力上應該也非常的龐大因為一旦開台之後就會面臨全時段的播出的時間那在跨族群的這件事上我想公視現有的規劃裡面除了結合原有的"},{"start":12533.755,"end":12543.706,"text":"臺語台、客語台、原名台之外也包括新住民的語言所以在多族群的多語的這件事上公視在一開始的規劃裡就納入整個在兒少頻道的這個服務的節目計畫裡面"},{"start":12548.359,"end":12567.998,"text":"所以基本上如果從剛才談的包括我們的服務計畫的一個方向是符合公共電視法的整個公視基金會的業務這裡面包含了多元族群的傳播服務"},{"start":12572.106,"end":12598.063,"text":"公共電視法第36條也特別明訂節目自播應該遵守保持多元性積極提供兒童、青少年這樣的一個部分因為這個部分很重要雖然我們一直在談教育部希望能夠去多"},{"start":12599.264,"end":12599.704,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":12624.486,"end":12628.05,"text":"對,所以這個部分這樣的一個節目的推出然後再結合現在孩子的習慣"},{"start":12643.972,"end":12672.109,"text":"還青少年的習慣然後能夠我們很希望的救援住民者的立場來講我們很希望就是說因為這樣的推動族群的和諧族群的這個互相尊重就減少族群的歧視是我們也非常希望可以做到因為最近都還是有族群的歧視像這個高中大學"},{"start":12673.861,"end":12683.298,"text":"連東華大學都有啊東華大學最近呢就有族群的歧視這個就是對文化的不了解嘛"},{"start":12684.232,"end":12684.492,"text":"謝謝,謝謝鄭天才委員"},{"start":12711.578,"end":12737.786,"text":"好,我們接下來請麥玉珍委員。謝謝主席。能有請王次長還有公視董事長。好,有請王次長跟胡董事長。委員好。"},{"start":12742.684,"end":12761.093,"text":"我請教一下我們公視今年8月就要創造一個我們的兒少傳播這樣就是我們是感到很開心但是在這個平台及新媒體的服務針對不同的年齡的兒童"},{"start":12763.594,"end":12767.137,"text":"分不同的規劃來製作這樣的節目幫助兒童適應的發展本席非常支持全面升級的保障同時我們也需要思考怎麼樣藉由這樣的平台有那個多元共榮"},{"start":12780.788,"end":12786.071,"text":"文化共榮這樣子的一個平台目前我們在學校上課的新二代我們有40萬人但是就學了29萬多所以我們也希望說透過這個平台讓他有更多不同的頻道來去學習所以我們希望說透過這個頻道增加一些元素就會減少我們的新二代在學校的霸凌"},{"start":12810.063,"end":12836.364,"text":"因為我們是要教小孩有時候很多新住民的媽媽不敢帶小孩到學校進入跟他們一起進入家長會所以呢也導致小孩子失去很多的信心所以我們希望說透過這樣子的多元化讓大家可以再進入這樣子的元素建議兒少在全面的"},{"start":12837.426,"end":12848.001,"text":"價值觀所以要如何選這個題材還有如何選多元的文化讓更多的人可以接受達成共榮"},{"start":12850.858,"end":12877.728,"text":"請教一下委員所說的正是我們現在希望透過公共電視來達到的目標那是特別針對兒少頻道來說公共電視目前的規劃就是會針對分靈提供它不同的節目形態同時呢特別是在語言上跟族群上原上除了台灣已經原本在使用的台語、客語原住民語外還有新住民語所以包括現在公視也有製作自製新住民語節目有65集越南語節目的這個計畫"},{"start":12880.069,"end":12909.834,"text":"目的就是希望可以透過多元的這個節目規劃呢讓族群之間互相理解那只有互相理解才能夠學習互相尊重平等對待所以我想在兒少的頻道上我們希望小朋友從小時候就理解台灣是一個多元文化多元族群的所在那所以大家在這個環境裡面可以適應也可以認識平等對待不同的族群跟使用不同語言的人這個才會是整體對台灣文化能夠提升對文化價值能夠有保障的"},{"start":12910.074,"end":12916.576,"text":"是 是 這個大家都知道就是說關於這樣子啦但是剛才我們前面的委員也有提嘛我們的題材是什麼我們怎麼樣真的達到這樣子的多元文化這個才是我們要的重點因為我們以教育嘛以教育來說的話我們就是要把這樣子不同國家的教育的文化"},{"start":12934.162,"end":12934.622,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":12952.449,"end":12968.241,"text":"各國的語言還有就是我們原住民客家語還有新住民語嘛 對不對但是新住民語這個部分剛才我有聽其他委員問的時候有說我們是不同的時段來去播出嘛"},{"start":12968.982,"end":12971.704,"text":"一方面就是說這個節目目前規劃這個帶狀是在8點多啦所以基本上應該還是在兒童可收看的範圍那第二是說其實我們也在平台上架所以它也透過可以去選擇的機制可以去看"},{"start":12995.819,"end":13023.499,"text":"是可以讓說不同的時段我們有選擇的那個時間嗎?我們可以選擇同樣的時段我們可以選擇就是不同的語言嗎?它在網路上架的時候就可以選擇在那個想要收看的時段收看不受限於頻道是在網路嗎?是在電視上就沒有嗎?在網路就是我們心裡是沒有固定的時段固定的時段是中文嘛"},{"start":13024.64,"end":13025.742,"text":"我們現在新住民語的話,我們納入幾種語言?"},{"start":13038.937,"end":13054.211,"text":"目前有越南語已經在製作當中其他大概會持續地進行其他語種的規劃希望就是我們以人數的掙扎幾個語言好不好不要只有越南這樣子的話我就會被其他國家搞怕你越南你就有顧越南"},{"start":13055.632,"end":13055.752,"text":"主席主席主席"},{"start":13074.927,"end":13101.937,"text":"我們公視裏面現在有就是剛才講說我們有很多不同國家的頻道嘛所以這樣的話我們也可以在這邊的話可以做一點就是增加一點心啦因為我們現在少子的話要生小孩的人就不多啊今天我們就是把一些資源用在我們兒少這邊更多才是真正的我們就是要栽培我們我們下一代啦這個部分說希望說這個部分要"},{"start":13103.277,"end":13104.038,"text":"請胡董事長"},{"start":13135.902,"end":13156.94,"text":"委員好董事長好我想針對公視第3台轉型的部分有問題要請教您那當然就是說如果您的權限無法回答的話也可以再讓我們知道好嗎我想我是非常的樂觀其成就是公視3台轉型為兒少頻道那也很高興文化部的那個黑潮計畫6億元的資金給公視製作兒少節目"},{"start":13161.144,"end":13168.512,"text":"然後很好這是一件非常重要的事因為兒少就是我們國家的未來但是我有點擔心這個轉型會不會排擠到我們原來的藝文跟體育的節目的內容所以想請教董事長的部分"},{"start":13180.963,"end":13205.931,"text":"那想請問一下董事長您知不知道就是我們轉型這個部分是文化藝術這邊體育出了什麼問題還是我們純粹就是要兒少因為公視2022年的年度報告是以第三台是以文化藝術跟國內外的體育賽事為主那這部分公視過去也把自己當作是國內藝術濃度最高最重視文化藝術的電視頻道"},{"start":13207.992,"end":13233.18,"text":"那這個部分有沒有一個檢討報告那有沒有轉型的計畫跟之後文化跟體育方面的比重的討論呢向委員報告就是在做轉型的時候我們做過評估那您關注到這個體育的部分我們第一個我們在主評還是會播那涉及到兒少體育的部分我們也會在公視兒少台裡可以再處理"},{"start":13233.88,"end":13261.09,"text":"那藝文的部分也是一樣我們會在相關的頻道裡面做平衡的處理那特別跟委員報告的是我們在加速數位轉型所以相關的體育跟藝文包括在我們現在的OTT平台公視家還有其他的網路平台包括YouTube等等我們都會來加強做處理這點可以請委員放心所以就是你們未來的這個兒少台本身就不再處理文化跟體育這個部分嗎?"},{"start":13261.99,"end":13280.494,"text":"就是兒少的體育會在兒少台處理,兒少有關的藝文會在兒少頻道其他的部分我們基本上就頻道來講會到公視、主評甚至還有台語台、客家台分別擔負他們在多元文化方面的藝文跟體育的責任"},{"start":13280.694,"end":13305.179,"text":"所以就是只有那個跟兒少相關的文化體育才會留在這個兒少台嘛其他就轉移到別的部分那當然就是說這是你們一個選擇那我想提供一下別的國家的例子那我們辦公室研究就是NHK的他的兒少頻道也播文化節目那體育賽事直播當然你剛講體育賽事的部分有別的頻道這是NHK的部分"},{"start":13306.039,"end":13318.27,"text":"BBC4主要就是藝文的,兒童的部分有CBBC跟CBBICE可是你可以看到在實際的做法上,針對6歲以下兒童的CBBICE"},{"start":13321.272,"end":13325.035,"text":"是跟4名稱上是不一樣但是其實是共享一個頻道的不同時段因為兒少活躍的時間跟成年人不一樣所以兒少活躍的時間就播兒少節目那入夜後就播藝文節目"},{"start":13337.206,"end":13354.553,"text":"這也是一種處理的方式,我想無論是NHK跟BBC,你可以看到他們努力的在有限的頻道裡面同時重視兒少,然後文化跟運動賽事的這些部分並沒有顧此失彼。所以您剛講到好像也沒有顧此失彼。"},{"start":13355.333,"end":13356.013,"text":"請問您是不是有這樣的規劃"},{"start":13373.827,"end":13392.923,"text":"的確沒有在比例上做一定的要求不過在政策方向上是做剛才提到的這樣的一個處理不過我們也內部也在研議是不是跨平台有重要國際賽事的時候我們所有的頻道可能都要做相關的因應處理這點我們也沒有排除在外跟我們報告一下"},{"start":13393.063,"end":13393.103,"text":"主席"},{"start":13415.68,"end":13435.191,"text":"公視是唯一一個能夠以就是不用考慮商業就藝文跟體育的方向能夠讓大家都能夠平等的觀看的那這個部分是不是你們能夠參考國際經驗不管是NHK或者是BBC那往這個方向做一個比例上的規劃然後可以給本席一個報告呢?"},{"start":13435.933,"end":13463.107,"text":"好 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那另外我也想問大家都關心的這個國內外的體育賽事那我是非常的支持我們公視要努力爭取要重要賽事的播映權那公視2016年2021年都有轉播奧運那我們看到新聞就是2024年中華電信取得新媒體轉播權MOD還有這個哈密video可看我想問一下"},{"start":13464.427,"end":13489.718,"text":"2024年公視會不會有相關的合作呢?因為我覺得國人如果可以不用額外付費可以看到我們國家代表隊的重要賽事,非常的重要那可以請問一下公視有沒有這方面的規劃爭取呢?有,跟委員很明確的報告我們2024年的巴黎奧運我們都已經跟相關的單位這個愛爾達做好的討論那我們確定有轉播,而且合約已經簽訂完成"},{"start":13491.514,"end":13519.263,"text":"謝謝所以確定我們不需要付費就可以在公視頻道看到那這是非常重要的好消息那未來也希望是往這個方向好嗎因為公視畢竟是國家的也是全民的那最後呢我也想針對就是國表藝就是文化部國表藝下轄的3個場館每年都有非常多優質的藝文節目那文化部其實有很好的先天條件那可以我們可以爭取把這些表演的線上化"},{"start":13520.103,"end":13520.143,"text":"主席"},{"start":13535.495,"end":13556.767,"text":"您的頻道或者是網路的頻道這個部分喔那如果是能夠因為網路上事實上也有收費的可能性因為我知道有些人會認為說表演節目好像是不應該免費觀看但如果可以處理這相關議題的話那未來是不是能夠爭取部分線上化於公視或是公視plus上面播出呢?"},{"start":13559.271,"end":13571.783,"text":"這個部分我們現在在頻道上面是有固定的時段在處理但是如果線上的部分會涉及到我們的預算跟其他方面的資源不過我們來積極考慮"},{"start":13574.325,"end":13600.224,"text":"謝謝希望你們積極規劃一下因為我覺得這部分也非常的重要而且是公視最有責任就是能夠讓大家能夠共享最後就是剛剛所講的就是藝文節目跟體育賽事的轉播這部分就是你們未來的這方面如何能夠跟兒少節目共存共榮需要在比例上完整的規劃您剛已經答應給我辦公室一個報告好不好這報告大概什麼時候我可以拿到呢?"},{"start":13602.847,"end":13606.19,"text":"我們一個月內一個月內好那謝謝謝謝董事長好謝謝謝謝范雲委員我們接下來請羅廷維委員好謝謝主席我們請文化部王政志好王次長"},{"start":13631.324,"end":13637.407,"text":"好,謝謝曾志。我想請問一下我們這TICP2.0有什麼具體的成效?TICP,國際合作投資方案。國際合作投資的方案,那應該是文策院的方案。對對對,我是不是可以請文策院做說明?"},{"start":13657.307,"end":13684.489,"text":"是委員要問TICP 2.0吧對對對因為2.0是今年開始我們加大的一個方案它跟1.0不同的是我們使用國發基金進場然後取消原本的投資比例跟投資上限那2.0開始以來其實已經開始陸陸續續有一些大型的國際合資案在進行送案當中那因為這些送案其實還沒有開過國發必須遵守的正式投審會所以可能很多細節我現在不變太"},{"start":13685.67,"end":13704.568,"text":"在這邊公開 細節當然不用公開 是但是就我目前了解 是不是10家申請10家這個是1.0 家測案那是1.0 1.0嗎 對不是2.0 不是那是1.0 那目前2.0有幾家申請呢目前2.0應該陸陸續續有6、7家 6、7家 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1.0的時候是每年其實文車店只有大概7000萬左右的預算這個其實比較起來這個大水庫跟小水庫天差地遠這個要跟我們報告你所提到的那個資料再麻煩你"},{"start":13844.977,"end":13847.779,"text":"沒問題沒問題是是完全掌握這個事情其實我們在第一時間也出面跟業者做溝通而且在1月開始有這樣相關的事情報導之後我們大概在"},{"start":13867.655,"end":13882.801,"text":"這三個月來齁我個人大概就參與了十幾場公開跟線下的說明會那務必讓每一個業者都清楚知道說這個改變是為了讓大家其實可以用所以你可不可以方便跟我們提一下就是說因為我們想知道你報宅說你有問過業者啦有問過哪些業者溝通過哪些業者"},{"start":13883.681,"end":13900.466,"text":"具體的業者名稱嗎?方便提供嗎?當然,包括飛望飲業,包括奇飲,然後包含其實有許多專門做國際球制的一條龍虎豹,這些都在我們溝通的範圍當中。OK,那看起來就是有做過工作,那有備而來。那TICP,我1.0、2.0、2022年有13件通過。"},{"start":13904.847,"end":13927.802,"text":"如果這個資料有誤的話可以再跟我們做修正沒關係喔2023年有15件通過平均每個月都還有1件喔那2.0到目前的話的成績都還是0件啦因為你說還沒有審核嘛跟委員報告齁因為我們實施2.0方案就是因為之前業者有說如果我們2.0馬上上路怕他們原本已經要申請1.0的案件會來不及申請"},{"start":13928.542,"end":13955.998,"text":"會跟國外的資金斷鏈所以我們1.0其實繼續讓開放到讓他們申請到2月底為止所以他們其實今年的案子1.0是照常會申請因為你1月19就開始受理嘛對不對對那所以你1.0跟2.0是並行沒錯OK是好但因為如果我們不知道這件事情的話我會認為說2.0到目前已經有停擺三個月左右的一個時間了其實沒有沒有那所以你1.0有在做並行這是有一個很好的有落日是"},{"start":13956.778,"end":13975.114,"text":"好那我想這個銜接的過程啊1.0到2.0的轉換過程看起來有配套但是我們要知道中間一定會有一些瑕疵有問題當然我們要趕緊加緊去讓這些事情能夠瑕疵趕緊擬皮沒問題要不然我想之前有上百位的引介人士聯署抗議這個你知道嗎完全知道"},{"start":13975.754,"end":13976.374,"text":"你都知道齁?"},{"start":13976.374,"end":13998.63,"text":"完全知道,而且我覺得非常的過意不去。世界要一起連署這是一件不容易的事情,你們達到了這一個輝煌的一個成績,他們連署抗議。批評文車院在這個TCIP在這個轉換過於倉促,那我想這個部分你說你有做溝通,那後續這些溝通跟配套他們有一些相關的做法,你們有沒有去做採納或者是做研議?"},{"start":14000.993,"end":14026.331,"text":"就政策上來講因為當然其實每個業者都會希望說政府對他們的照顧是越來越好 越多越好但我必須坦白跟各位報告就是說文策院設立的目的是以商業化為目的商業化跟國際化是文策院兩大KPI那我們使用的政策工具是叫投資不叫補助那有一些業者比較遺憾他們其實有點搞不清楚文策院使用的錢叫投資各位跟我們報告投資叫將本求利"},{"start":14028.171,"end":14053.081,"text":"他們希望我們義無反顧的支持這一點容我難答應他們所以在這一次的溝通基本上是你說服他們並沒有要去趕他們我不敢說我說服他們而是我們雙向的溝通一方面要讓他理解其實文策院真的是以商業化投資的角度出發那如果說有一些案子他完全是希望跟歐洲某些國家一樣是完全用政府的補助的話我們其實就比較難去做支持"},{"start":14053.621,"end":14075.568,"text":"好,那這個2.0現在補件你說還有幾家嗎?那補件的資料是要看多久?看多久?因為現在新的CEICP 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我覺得自制率很低要看台灣的兒童節目要上哪看頻道有沒有過少都買國外的一個節目最讓人擔心其實是文化壟斷無形中也是接收孩子在接收國外的資訊、文化"},{"start":14191.252,"end":14212.915,"text":"次長,拿資源做一些適合小朋友台灣小朋友的頻道本席認為是非常有益的是一件好事但是你再做再好再棒沒有人看也沒有什麼用大家需要培養的齁那每一代人都有每一代的成長環境像我們前一代可能在看東森悠悠阿MOMO阿這一代的人可能都看手機看YouTube那我的孩子都在看那個"},{"start":14214.138,"end":14236.92,"text":"⋯⋯⋯"},{"start":14237,"end":14258.226,"text":"那甚至是培養甚至協助像我剛剛所提到的蘑菇蘑菇這一些相關的製作我覺得他最近的點閱率是非常非常高而且我也試著陪伴著孩子一起來聽是真的有點點洗腦那當然我是鼓勵不管是文策院或者是文化部是不是能夠進一步的做接洽甚至幫他們協助他們"},{"start":14258.686,"end":14259.307,"text":"董事長有想法是不是?"},{"start":14286.126,"end":14303.533,"text":"所以其實這些方向我想委員所交代的都本來就是我們在推動的方向蘑菇蘑菇是那個知名音樂製作人林偉哲公司做的啦對所以我們其實我跟他蠻熟的我們在談這個事情好那我所提到這個你可以認同啦因為我覺得孩子是真的也蠻喜歡他也做動畫你知道最近連林宥嘉"},{"start":14305.214,"end":14318.714,"text":"他都透過這些不管是小行星啊這些平台去放送他的新的專輯但是他配合了他的新專輯是寫說他的媽媽的故事媽媽希望下班以後聽聽林宥嘉的歌啊然後進而介紹林宥嘉讓"},{"start":14320.615,"end":14320.635,"text":"謝謝委員"},{"start":14352.058,"end":14366.374,"text":"謝謝,謝謝羅廷薇委員。接下來請鍾嘉斌委員。鍾嘉斌?鍾嘉斌委員不在。接下來請王紅薇委員。王紅薇?王紅薇委員不在。接下來請林倩琦委員。"},{"start":14378.568,"end":14379.129,"text":"王次長、胡董事長"},{"start":14388.749,"end":14415.808,"text":"來 謝謝教委今天這個專題讓我們對於這個臺灣可能也走得比較慢的這個兒少這樣子的一個專題在影視平台讓我們特別關注的這樣一個主題有所了解那本席在前面的survey在這個去年應該你們在10月25號召開一個記者會然後 對吧宣布啟動這樣一個跨族群、跨平台跟跨語言的兒少服務計畫"},{"start":14418.13,"end":14444.108,"text":"將整個社會的主流思維透過黑潮計畫的一個挹注投入到這個專門為兒少而準備的這個平台那一次出席的有陳院長還有史部長跟胡董事長陳院長這邊特別提到能夠這樣子做是因為公共電視修法了在過去立法院人支持下可以產生很多優質的兒少節目裡面對於台灣兒少的IP"},{"start":14446.51,"end":14447.75,"text":"《黑潮計畫》本席對這個計畫也感到非常的"},{"start":14474.176,"end":14474.676,"text":"字幕提供"},{"start":14494.702,"end":14509.051,"text":"那當時在座的三位有發言人就胡董事長您當時也對於這樣一個頻道做了一些宣誓您還記得您當時比較發言的這個重點那跟您現在期待所做的這個部分是哪一些嗎?"},{"start":14511.171,"end":14534.232,"text":"當然這樣的一個兒少頻道很謝謝政府跟大院的支持那我們可以跟各國的這些公共媒體一樣都來推動那當時我想很重要的一個心情就是希望這樣的一個兒少的心智內容他能夠讓兒童在成長的過程中少年在成長過程中能夠開心家長也能夠放心我記得那時應該是我主要的"},{"start":14534.352,"end":14548.253,"text":"是是是,您主要談到家長放心那孩子能夠開心那當然這個學齡圈跟學齡的這個兒童還有跟國外的一個連結當然這個部分就跟今天的這個報告內容也差不多所以本席就發現這個記者會"},{"start":14549.855,"end":14566.299,"text":"大概就是這次報告內容的一個重點那這邊本席是有一個疑問因為好像在這一次唯一不太一樣的就是上一回你們的這個報告應該是針對第10屆的最後一個會期那這一次是這個第11屆第一個會期那不同的就是這個對象所以我這邊有一個疑問想要請教的是你們已經在這個新國會新總統新內閣上任前就已經編完"},{"start":14578.502,"end":14590.436,"text":"而且已經開始啟動執行那如果本席在這邊有一些比較新的想法然後期待做一些修正跟規劃那這個地方還能夠有這個大規模的更動跟調整嗎?"},{"start":14592.423,"end":14610.277,"text":"跟委員說明我想一個政府編列短中長程的計畫是一個現在政府的計畫形態那所以黑潮計畫的確是一個四年計畫那也有在確定四年預算的支持下有一些中長程的計畫才可以穩定發展但是如果委員有不同的意見或者是有"},{"start":14611.237,"end":14633.745,"text":"修改新的意見我想都非常歡迎委員提出來只要我們能夠在這樣的計畫裡面去容納的我們仍然會盡可能的去讓這個計畫更真完美尤其一開始提出的時候計畫可能是一個計畫的梗概那現在出來的漸漸它會有執行施行的細則方式合作的對象等等所以我想在這個過程裡面還是有很多可以提升跟做其他修改的基礎"},{"start":14634.705,"end":14651.04,"text":"好 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那有點可惜那是這樣請問你們知道原明日是哪一天嗎?"},{"start":14836.319,"end":14850.752,"text":"對,如果是8月1日的話,的確是時間上是趕不及的是,時間上有點可惜那因為早上有圓明的委員這邊提到了對圓明的一個關注那本來本席是想你們如果來得及那給你們一個提醒就是圓明日"},{"start":14851.232,"end":14878.285,"text":"是在8月1號那常常8月1號是一個很重要的節慶那如果來不及至少是不是你們還是在8月開始那可不可以也強化跟重塑這樣一個概念因為本席發現從早上到現在比例除了我們政委員是原住民他有特別注意到以外大家對新住民的關注讓我覺得有一點點這個我覺得還是要為我們自己發聲一下因為畢竟原住民在你們的這個概念裡面應該就是整個"},{"start":14879.125,"end":14905.044,"text":"社會的福爾摩沙在史前歷史的部分都有很重要的一個位置所以那還包括你們這所謂黑潮計畫所以我可以問一下這個就你們的概念因為本席也查了很多本席發現在我們常常在定義上跟本席的一個學術背景我常常都覺得找不到答案可不可以請部裡面跟我解釋一下這個黑潮計畫你們的概念上是什麼"},{"start":14905.785,"end":14927.886,"text":"我是很清楚我們阿美族的概念那你們的概念是什麼跟委員說明整體的黑潮計畫其實是一個由台灣內容把台灣帶向國際的一個計畫所以它在各項的文化內容的呈現上面都有所謂黑潮計畫的推動跟助力那你們知道那個地理上的黑潮是什麼意思吧是當然"},{"start":14929.253,"end":14944.244,"text":"好啦 那我也特別查啦因為你們這邊我查不到我就再確認一下是不是我一直停留在我小時候的記憶那Koroshio好像是他的名稱嘛那跟日本有很大的關係那跟我們阿美族最大的關係是我們從小就講那我們的豐年祭就是跟著黑潮"},{"start":14945.024,"end":14971.296,"text":"一步一步往上走因為黑潮是一個暖流那帶有豐富的營養那所經過的地方都很慾望但是我建議部裡面就常常我們以前在文化創意產業或者是很多的名詞那個定義上我覺得經常是在抵運的討論不太清楚所以本是因為來自學術界這個部分就會特別注意所以你這個黑潮的概念基本上我本來以為是我們阿美族遵循的一個文化的這個中心"},{"start":14971.816,"end":14997.805,"text":"結果現在被借用了可是我一直在詮釋上找不出來你們從借用這個詞然後再發展這個部分好像中間有點斷裂本席這邊建議你們是不是在詮釋上能夠再精進去處理從它原本的意義一直到現在你們所講的要不然本席一直沒辦法搞懂這個黑潮甚至覺得我們阿美族的東西被你們用了然後也沒有一個闡述跟詮釋"},{"start":14999.265,"end":15013.747,"text":"所以這個請各位我講的真的是這個概念所以在學術概念上請你們給本席未來在查詢的時候能夠說服自己要不然會覺得我們的東西被你們用了之後也沒有任何的位置在這裡面"},{"start":15014.468,"end":15026.163,"text":"尤其是我會關注以後的你們說跨族群的語言不要只從原民台借用一些東西或者是你們說本席在過去的經驗常常碰到原住民的事物你們都會說我們會跟原民會原民會怎樣可是原民會常常都是我們原住民的概念"},{"start":15032.952,"end":15062.415,"text":"那難道這個其他的族群對我們有一些認識嗎?我們也期待其他的族群對我們的認識的概念能夠透過一些平台來瞭解然後產生一些溝通啊而不是我們自己一直在自言自語然後其他的平台建制了那其實有原名的這個部分結果中間是沒有任何對話的所以這個部分本席也會未來跟大家多做一些溝通最後文化奧運請問一下那個我們台灣原名在這個文化奧運裡面的團體的比例有多少?"},{"start":15063.166,"end":15089.722,"text":"我想我們沒有用比例來計算不過我們邀請的對象包括我們邀請的對象也有阿豹也有原住民團體的演出所以它整個是一個多元多族群包括客語傳統現代音樂DJ好的那我會特別關心原住民啦因為我發現大家現在要嘛這個年輕化要嘛幼兒化那早上也有那個五位元的這個壯士代裡面有原住民的演出然後原住民呢也有可能你剛才講的阿豹嘛非常的現代而且非常的fusion那但是很多的傳統的這個"},{"start":15093.505,"end":15101.316,"text":"團體也是做得很不錯的那本席希望會後你可不可以提供給本席參加這個文化奧運在台灣館裡面會演出的這個團體到底是哪一些團體"},{"start":15103.424,"end":15131.997,"text":"我們可以提供演出團體的名單最後本席的一個期待就這句話文化部可不可以跳脫我們這個行政本位跟有的時候意識形態那帶領台灣的社會我們引領文化的前瞻跟先鋒走向一個比較健康的方向我想文化部一直秉持台灣自由多元民主的這個基礎價值應該沒有所謂的意識形態那我們的確談不上應該帶領"},{"start":15132.657,"end":15140.829,"text":"但是我們的確希望成為台灣社會文化裡面一個重要的基礎跟力量我們把我們的位置往前走,好嗎?那我們大家一起加油謝謝委員好謝謝,謝謝林倩啟委員好次長請回,我們接下來請林月啟委員"},{"start":15156.165,"end":15180.841,"text":"有請我們的次長還有我們的胡董事長好請王次長跟胡董事長我也好上好本期在民間團體就已經非常關心兒少節目也擔任過十幾年兒少優質節目的評選所以我非常關心我們的量能跟發展上次來質詢的時候也是一樣的在針對這一部分"},{"start":15181.821,"end":15181.922,"text":"主席"},{"start":15211.181,"end":15211.882,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":15226.275,"end":15245.268,"text":"如果重播率非常的高的話表示這個電視台對於自己自製節目裡邊投資的非常非常少那尤其這個兒少節目真的看起來重播率非常非常的高這種情況顯示了就是我們的品質跟數量是不足的那也意味著"},{"start":15245.948,"end":15246.128,"text":"下一頁"},{"start":15277.491,"end":15289.559,"text":"請教一下董事長在去年10月25日公視辦的公視兒少奔放前行的記者會本席當天也在現場在記者會當中宣布透過九大類節目開發將資源"},{"start":15292.481,"end":15316.431,"text":"投入兒少節目製作並帶動兒少節目跟動畫產業鏈的發展讓影視產業人才能夠續流台灣並製作更多的有意義的節目更創意的讓兒少的製作產業產能形成正向循環所以董事長想請教一下這邊有掌握九大類型節目的真案狀況嗎?"},{"start":15319.448,"end":15334.576,"text":"跟委員報告我們目前的確有6個案情順利發報出去但有3個案目前來講並沒有達到我們一起的目標所以我們會轉為自治或者再找合適的單位來跟我們合作好 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