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Eats在臺灣就會變成很大，我們公平法對於這種有相當市占率、市場力很大的事業，都有一個法律機制可以來反制……","quality":0.836},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2024-12-30T10:08:34.337000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:08:41.480000+08:00","text":"他們兩家最後到底占了所有外送平臺大概幾成？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"李鎂被提名人","start":"2024-12-30T10:08:44.641000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:08:47.423000+08:00","text":"我們用我們的餐飲外送平臺的市占率去評估的話，兩個加起來有超過九成。","quality":0.419},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2024-12-30T10:08:47.923000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:08:51.637286+08:00","text":"超過九成，好，謝謝主委，謝謝主席。","quality":0.154},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T10:08:51.937286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:08:54.223000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝李坤城委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T10:08:54.523000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:08:59.094429+08:00","text":"下一位鍾佳濱，鍾佳濱、鍾佳濱委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T10:08:59.394429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:09:01.965857+08:00","text":"下一位請葉元之委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}