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Eats去把原本foodpanda的市場吃下來，這會不會也一樣造成市場壟斷的狀況？","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T10:10:47.334000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:10:49.635000+08:00","text":"公平會有沒有掌握或者是有因應之道？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"李鎂被提名人","start":"2024-12-30T10:10:50.868000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:10:57.053000+08:00","text":"如果foodpanda退出市場，餐飲外送平臺市場的發展會怎麼樣，要進一步觀察。","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"李鎂被提名人","start":"2024-12-30T10:10:57.814000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:11:17.140000+08:00","text":"假設Uber Eats的市場力因而很大，甚至到獨占的地位，現行公平交易法對於獨占不可以有的行為，還有對於其他的限制競爭、濫用市場力的行為都有規範，我們同樣會密切關注這樣的發展。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T10:11:18.981000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:11:23.943000+08:00","text":"我覺得要超前部署，因為這是一個可見的未來，非常有可能。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T10:11:25.224000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:11:46.865000+08:00","text":"因為foodpanda現在要退出臺灣市場的決心還蠻強的，所以不是這一關你把它卡掉之後，好像後續我們就靜觀其變，我覺得應該要事先掌握，而且上一次我有給你建議，未來要審查類似案子的時候，你們應該要要求外送平臺要做好偏鄉的服務。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T10:11:46.865000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:11:50.008000+08:00","text":"因為有時候一些偏鄉根本都叫不到，顯示他們市場過於集中。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T10:11:50.829000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:12:05.520000+08:00","text":"另外，我再問一個也是併購案，你們的態度是什麼，就是現在日本汽車Nissan、Honda、Mitsubishi已經在談判合併了，公平會現在有沒有掌握到他們的合併案，未來可能對臺灣汽車市場的影響？","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"李鎂被提名人","start":"2024-12-30T10:12:06.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:12:15.284000+08:00","text":"這部分我們有看到相關的新聞，至於是不是符合臺灣結合的門檻，如果符合結合的門檻，會到公平會來申請，我們會去注意。當然！","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T10:12:15.985000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:12:17.165000+08:00","text":"門檻是怎麼樣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T10:12:17.165000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:12:18.165000+08:00","text":"怎麼樣的門檻？","quality":0},{"speaker":"李鎂被提名人","start":"2024-12-30T10:12:17.165000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:12:21.507000+08:00","text":"我們會看結合當事人的市占率、銷售金額，整個綜合判斷。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T10:12:22.208000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:12:24.249000+08:00","text":"我知道，我是說原則上是怎樣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T10:12:24.249000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:12:27.170000+08:00","text":"你要跟我講原則，我是說就這個個案，你們有沒有掌握？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"李鎂被提名人","start":"2024-12-30T10:12:28.671000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:12:29.531000+08:00","text":"我了解有這個案子。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T10:12:30.251000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:12:31.112000+08:00","text":"了解這個案子？是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T10:12:31.832000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:12:32.953000+08:00","text":"要及早因應！是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T10:12:33.253000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:12:33.353000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T10:12:33.853000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:12:40.424429+08:00","text":"登記發言委員除不在場之外，其餘均發言完畢，詢答結束。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T10:12:40.724429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:12:45.010143+08:00","text":"現在請李鎂被提名人先行離席，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T10:12:45.310143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:12:47.024429+08:00","text":"我們休息5分鐘。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T10:12:47.324429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:12:52.181571+08:00","text":"接下來，下一場是陳志民被提名人的詢答。","quality":0.059},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T10:12:52.481571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:12:53.624429+08:00","text":"休息（10時13分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T10:12:53.924429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:12:55.638714+08:00","text":"繼續開會（10時18分）","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}