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方向喔我說的是在我們的社團當中以客家社團了因為你也同意最能夠延續這個我們客家文化的其實是地方的熱心社團所以我們同意要給客家社團大力的補助這你同意嘛對不對這第一年目前已經整堆全團法那三團都有"},{"start":202.113,"end":206.677,"text":"對,您已經這樣說了。很好。而且再進一步而言對於社團裡面願意做青年的你還願意更大力的補助同時又對青年也開了這樣的計畫這些都沒有問題嘛對不對所以第一個麻煩您告訴我們這個正確的資料也告訴我們在客委會這邊哪裡可以比如客委會的網頁上面可以直接看出來這個是我本席對你的第一個要求啦沒有問題吧好主委"},{"start":227.574,"end":228.034,"text":"目前還沒公開的資訊。"},{"start":245.766,"end":249.749,"text":"如果是叫每一個地方政府來做的話這你認為適合嗎?他應該是共同來做但是重點是我們的青年應該是不分全國哪一個縣市他都應該能夠有同樣的資源同樣的機會在同樣的方向之下去得到這些資源我這個概念應該也沒有錯吧"},{"start":274.648,"end":281.551,"text":"不分縣市嘛 對不對所以反過來講你不分縣市都可以來爭取這個資源但也應該不分縣市都可以平均得到相等的資源這樣才是對全台灣的青年公平的狀態對全台灣的客庄青年公平這個問題也沒有問題嘛 對不對好那接下來那我就請教主委了主委你知道我們上個禮拜上上個禮拜剛通過新的財政收支劃分法對不對好"},{"start":304.18,"end":323.173,"text":"財政收支劃分法我們現在如果新法通過執行之後一次會從中央拿走將近3700多億的預算3700多億的預算是一個什麼樣的概念呢以中央部會來講的話最多的其實是國防部4700億那再來就是衛福部跟教育部大概是3700和3600"},{"start":326.135,"end":327.297,"text":"9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時"},{"start":341.859,"end":347.886,"text":"消失的預算,這也沒有問題嗎?對不對?所以主委我的問題是那你客委會受到多少影響?你估算過了沒有?20%喔?"},{"start":363.242,"end":363.603,"text":"一般型計畫一般型的預算跟"},{"start":387.998,"end":401.569,"text":"一般性的預算跟計劃型的預算那一般性的他還說不能夠比前一年少所以看起來能夠影響的就是計劃型的經費囉好那你回到地方政府來看欸我覺得這有一點可怕欸"},{"start":403.43,"end":415.773,"text":"因為客家委員會所有的計劃型補助都是跟地方型相關的而且我回去看我們新北市政府客家事務局的預算我們114年舉例來講我們的稅務預算是4160萬元可是我們從中央拿到的補助及協助收入是多少是3817萬通通都是來自中央型的補助及協助收入你細看下去"},{"start":432.717,"end":447.434,"text":"其實就是全部都是計劃型的預算啊計劃型的補助所以等於114年如果我們按照現在通過的財化法新的財化法來講的話我們九成的預算有可能會受到影響啊主委"},{"start":448.996,"end":464.162,"text":"那不要說我們剛剛一開始講的所有全國的青年不應該因為他所在的縣市不同未來得到的補助方式不一樣甚至是連地方政府的預算"},{"start":464.722,"end":484.134,"text":"其實看起來都會受到大大的影響我們未來好像看起來多了新北市370億但我們從光是從客委會得到的計畫型補助很有可能就少了很多你剛剛說少三成嘛平均每個縣市如果都公平的少三成那我們不得了我們要怎麼運作啊"},{"start":485.054,"end":500.965,"text":"這個是很大的問題,請問你們跟地方政府有討論過了嗎?未來怎麼因應?目前很忙討論,不過人家的百分之一是擺在感受,會感受到同樣的期間,要有的推動,不出提防政府跟沙團都會影響那個全面性的"},{"start":502.446,"end":520.402,"text":"主席我覺得這是一個很嚴肅的問題法律通過當然現在立法院就是我們尊重少數服從了多數服從多數通過的法律到底會產生什麼樣的後續影響其實現在正要開始所以我想這個問題既然我們這個上週這個才化法已經這樣通過了現在在"},{"start":526.167,"end":533.33,"text":"到底有沒有要附屬有沒有要復利等等那當然還不知道可是問題已經開始浮現我要求啊我也拜託可以盡快和地方縣市政府來討論我們地方的預算以及未來的權責要怎麼分不然的話這個顯然災難才正要開始這是我們為地方爭取預算之餘也希望配套能夠進行的好所以這部分可以吧"},{"start":553.84,"end":570.246,"text":"你們應該要立即開始進行討論吧。我們會等待行政院有明確的指示以後,我們就會來跟提防政府。主委加油啦,這是一個很大很大的問題,希望你們要好好討論。好,感謝委員。謝謝。好,謝謝蘇喬惠委員。接下來請張宏祿召委。"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T09:58:48.821000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:58:48.921000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請古主委。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T09:58:48.941000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:58:49.081000+08:00","text":"好，請主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T09:58:49.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:58:49.161000+08:00","text":"蘇委員好。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T09:58:49.181000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:58:49.441000+08:00","text":"主委好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T09:58:49.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:59:44.498000+08:00","text":"我們這次在研究客委會114年度的年度施政目標的時候，看到許多計畫都跟青年相關，首先我是表示支持，主委，我們在地方很多時候、很多場合都看到您親自出席客家社團，所以我也在地方就直接跟您表示，也很高興獲得你正面同意，我認為現在最能夠傳承客家文化的其實是在地的社團，而在地的社團當中如果能夠跟青年事務有關係，甚至是跟兒童、兒少有關係的，這種計畫我們都應該要大力支持。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T09:59:44.899000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T09:59:51.201000+08:00","text":"主委，你在現場都表示肯定，今天在備詢臺這邊，你可以再簡單闡述一下你的看法嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T09:59:52.881000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:00:14.251000+08:00","text":"感謝委員，沒錯，因為我們一直說客語、客家文化要傳承，有傳才會有承，傳是非常重要的、是年紀比較大的；承接的是年輕人、是小朋友，所以我們在施政計畫當中會針對青年、青少年來著力，一樣地，親子部分也是我們要重視的一點。","quality":0.457},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:00:15.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:00:18.433000+08:00","text":"主委，你可不可以具體跟我們說明一下、舉例，在你的計畫當中、在你編列的預算當中有哪幾項就直接跟青年有關係，甚至是鼓勵各個社團針對這些提出方案？","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:00:18.433000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:00:37.178000+08:00","text":"關於青年跟兒少的部分。","quality":0.1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:00:37.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:00:38.539000+08:00","text":"在青年部分，我們會辦理重返客庄，就是鼓勵年輕人……","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:00:38.539000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:00:52.562500+08:00","text":"重返客庄。","quality":0},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:00:52.562500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:01:06.586000+08:00","text":"鼓勵年輕人回到自己的客庄故鄉來提案，任何形式都可以、不限制是什麼內容，我們會連續兩年補助一個月100萬元，後續還會有更多的協助，包括專業團隊的協助；再來就是15歲到18歲的……","quality":0.137},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:01:06.586000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:01:20.609500+08:00","text":"相當多，你已經講了好幾個！","quality":0},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:01:20.609500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:01:34.633000+08:00","text":"15歲到18歲的年輕人我們每一年會派出去，針對這個年紀會選20位，比起過去選出更多的人組成訪問團進行志工服務。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:01:34.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:01:59.830000+08:00","text":"我想這樣子啦，主委，你這樣子講下來已經有非常、非常多的計畫，我也非常樂見，所以第一，你把這個計畫看是公告在哪裡，因為我等於是提出一個方向，我說的是，在我們的社團當中以客家社團……因為你也同意最能夠延續客家文化的其實是地方的熱心社團，所以我們同意要給客家社團大力的補助，這你同意嘛，對不對？","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:01:59.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:01:59.850000+08:00","text":"這第一個。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:01:59.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:02:00.811000+08:00","text":"我們目前已經針對全臺灣的社團都有開始補助。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:02:04.113000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:02:04.253000+08:00","text":"對，你已經這樣做了，很好！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:02:04.273000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:02:05.314000+08:00","text":"而且再進一步而言，對於社團裡面願意做青年的，你還願意更大力的補助，同時又對青年也開了這樣的計畫，這些都沒有問題嘛，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:02:05.314000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:02:08.657000+08:00","text":"所以第一個，麻煩您告訴我們正確資料，也告訴我們在客委會這邊的哪裡可以……比如客委會的網頁上面可以直接看出來，這是本席對你的第一個要求，沒有問題吧，主委？","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:02:29.574000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:02:30.034000+08:00","text":"目前都是公開資訊。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:02:30.034000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:02:34.467000+08:00","text":"好，這是第一個，沒有問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:02:34.467000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:02:38.900000+08:00","text":"但第二個我就請教您，所以這些計畫都是客委會來製作、編列，把這個計畫構想出來的是客委會，沒有錯嘛，對不對？","quality":0},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:02:38.900000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:02:43.333000+08:00","text":"沒有錯！","quality":0},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:02:43.333000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:02:47.766000+08:00","text":"全部是客委會規劃。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:02:47.766000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:02:49.227000+08:00","text":"如果是叫每一個地方政府來做的話，你認為適合嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:02:49.227000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:02:50.227000+08:00","text":"地方政府如果願意的話，我們非常歡迎一起來做。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:02:49.327000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:02:51.729000+08:00","text":"它應該是共同來做，但重點是，我們的青年應該是不分全國哪一個縣市都應該能夠有同樣的資源、同樣的機會，在同樣的方向之下去得到這些資源，我這個概念應該也沒有錯吧？","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:02:51.729000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:03:16.648000+08:00","text":"沒有錯，我們是開放、不分縣市的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:03:16.648000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:03:17.128000+08:00","text":"不分縣市嘛，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:03:17.128000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:03:20.970000+08:00","text":"所以反過來講，你不分縣市都可以來爭取這個資源，但也應該不分縣市都可以平均得到相等的資源，這樣才是對全臺灣青年公平的狀態，對全臺灣的客庄青年公平，這個也沒有問題嘛，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:03:20.970000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:03:21.970000+08:00","text":"沒有問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:03:21.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:03:23.531000+08:00","text":"接下來，我就請教主委了，主委，你知道我們上上個禮拜剛通過新的財政收支劃分法，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:03:46.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:03:57.628000+08:00","text":"財政收支劃分法現在如果新法通過、執行之後，一次會從中央拿走將近三千七百多億的預算，三千七百多億的預算是一個什麼樣的概念呢？","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:03:58.128000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:04:26.562000+08:00","text":"以中央部會來講，最多的其實是國防部4,700億，再來就是衛福部跟教育部，大概是3,700和3,600，所以拿走3,600就等於是把整個教育部都搬走了或整個衛福部都搬走了，是這樣的狀況，所以這不可能嘛，不可能只搬走一個部會，所以一定是每個部會平均來承擔這樣消失的預算，這也沒有問題嘛，對不對？","quality":0.39},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:04:26.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:04:29.566000+08:00","text":"所以主委我的問題是，那你客委會受到多少影響？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:04:29.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:04:29.846000+08:00","text":"你估算過了沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:04:29.846000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:04:37.876400+08:00","text":"我們有評估過，如果通過、執行之後，每個部會大約會刪減28%左右，所以……20%喔？28%！28%喔？","quality":0.061},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:04:37.876400+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:04:45.906800+08:00","text":"對，將近三成。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:04:45.906800+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:04:53.937200+08:00","text":"三成這麼多。","quality":0},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:04:53.937200+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:05:01.967600+08:00","text":"所以我們所有的預算其實要降低三成左右、28%。","quality":0.158},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:05:01.967600+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:05:09.998000+08:00","text":"這個如果主委你沒有講，我們還不知道影響這麼多。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:05:09.998000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:05:20.887000+08:00","text":"再繼續看下去，我們看到現在新通過的法律還說：如果我們的計畫裡面分成一般性的預算跟計畫型的預算，一般性的還不能比前一年少，所以看起來能夠影響的就是計畫型的經費。","quality":0.554},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:05:21.387000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:05:36.453000+08:00","text":"那你回到地方政府來看，我覺得這有一點可怕，因為客家委員會所有的計畫型補助都是跟地方型相關的，而且我回去看新北市政府客家事務局的預算，舉例以114年來講，我們的歲入預算是4,160萬元，可是我們從中央拿到的補助及協助收入是多少？","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:05:36.473000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:06:09.374000+08:00","text":"是3,817萬，這些通通都是來自中央型的補助及協助收入，你細看下去，其實全部都是計畫型的預算、計畫型的補助，所以如果按照現在通過的新的財劃法來講，等於114年我們有九成的預算可能會受到影響。","quality":0.877},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:06:09.394000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:06:44.933000+08:00","text":"主委，不要說我們剛剛一開始講的，所有全國的青年不應該因為他所在的縣市不同，未來所得到的補助方式就不一樣，甚至連地方政府的預算，其實看起來都會受到大大的影響，看起來未來新北市好像多了370億，但我們光是從客委會得到的計畫型補助很有可能就少了很多，你剛剛說少三成，平均每個縣市如果都公平地少三成，那我們不得了！","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:06:45.113000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:06:45.914000+08:00","text":"我們要怎麼運作？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:06:47.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:06:50.797000+08:00","text":"這個是很大的問題，請問你們跟地方政府有討論過了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:06:50.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:06:51.718000+08:00","text":"未來怎麼因應？","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:06:51.718000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:07:02.945000+08:00","text":"目前還沒討論，不過28%的減少，會減少我們本身業務的推動，補助地方政府跟社團都會受影響，這是全面性的。","quality":0.523},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:07:04.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:07:20.801000+08:00","text":"主委，我覺得這是一個很嚴肅的問題，法律通過，當然在立法院就是我們尊重少數、服從了多數，服從多數通過的法律到底會產生什麼樣的後續影響，其實現在正要開始。","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:07:21.822000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:07:34.790000+08:00","text":"針對這個問題，既然上週財劃法已經這樣通過了，現在到底有沒有要副署、覆議等等，當然還不知道，可是問題已經開始浮現，我要求、我也拜託可以儘快和地方縣市政府來討論地方的預算以及未來的權責要怎麼分，不然的話，顯然災難才正要開始，在我們為地方爭取預算之餘，也希望配套能夠進行得好。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:07:35.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:07:35.310000+08:00","text":"主委，這部分可以吧？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:07:55.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:07:57.441000+08:00","text":"你們應該立即開始進行討論吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:07:58.021000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:08:05.243000+08:00","text":"我們要等行政院有明確的指示以後，我們就會趕緊和地方政府來研商。","quality":0.69},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:08:06.364000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:08:07.504000+08:00","text":"主委，加油啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2024-12-30T10:08:08.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:08:10.545000+08:00","text":"這是一個很大、很大的問題，希望你們要好好討論。謝謝。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:08:10.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:08:10.685000+08:00","text":"好，感謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T10:08:10.685000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:08:11.746000+08:00","text":"謝謝蘇巧慧委員。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T10:08:11.746000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:08:12.226000+08:00","text":"接下來請張宏陸召委。","quality":0.889}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}