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億還有汙水處理汙水處理的一個190億這個本來在我的將軍我有一個海淡廠160億即將就是已經那個都是已經結標了那這個會不會受影響"},{"start":537.384,"end":557.334,"text":"這個部分當然如果我們必須刪減經費對縣市的補助第一個因為必須要做刪減那刪減大概可能第一個就是要減少補助的一個比率或者是說延後往後延長完成的一個期限所以這個必然是受到影響的"},{"start":558.354,"end":558.835,"text":"主計總處陳主席"},{"start":578.038,"end":589.767,"text":"如果我們規劃調整2025的總預算的一個做法跟時間就像你講的就是需要五個月的時間那我們利用追加減預算可能這樣做嗎?"},{"start":591.89,"end":610.148,"text":"要看將來我們救濟程序的情形是如何這個部分當然就是說一定是會影響到這個你應該要把這個影響影響到民生的權益的這一些問題他可能就是讓這整個社會進入一個"},{"start":611.129,"end":633.455,"text":"快速然後就是一個是跟全沒有辦法好好的去就是做討論的時候這些事情該如何處理這個我覺得你們都必須要非常明確的說出來而不是就是說擠牙膏式的我們問你們是什麼你的困難在哪裡你才講出來我跟你講這個國家是大家的"},{"start":634.235,"end":634.255,"text":"：賴惠員"},{"start":654.534,"end":683.579,"text":"就是主計長就是說修法他沒有通盤的考量事前的一個劃分那我們把錢徵取到地方回到地方然後就像我們非常清楚這個礦區稅、土地稅全數回到地方增加了守得稅跟營業稅一柱分配的一個稅的一個比例都沒有調整規劃支出的一個事項這個其實是我們擔心的在中央之前承接省府的一個"},{"start":684.099,"end":684.199,"text":"賴惠玉琳議員"},{"start":701.425,"end":701.445,"text":"賴惠員"},{"start":718.047,"end":739.88,"text":"因為它有一部分譬如說勞健保、勞農津貼這些都涉及到修法的一個部分那這必須要經過修法譬如說有地方制度法還有一個全民健保相關的保險法還有勞工保險條例這些等的修正所以這個時間上是比較長的"},{"start":741.981,"end":767.987,"text":"我想我的時間已經到了最後我再給這個主委長看到了一個這個是我們整理出來就是說在這一次的修法裡頭其實國民黨民眾黨兩黨的這個二修才化法那非常清楚看到我們如果以苗栗縣為主的話這個苗栗縣以下所有分配的一個那個金額都是比較少的"},{"start":768.727,"end":797.066,"text":"這是一個非常有趣的一個議題還有就是說在六都裡頭的爭比那我們是墊底的這個龍躍縣就是被削弱的土地面積跟龍躍的需求啊縱北、青南、寄馬再次的上演我不是只有為台南講話我也為我們相對的就是我們的爛兄爛弟我們的彰化、我們的移民我們的嘉義、屏東其實都一樣啊然後再一次提醒主計長加油"},{"start":799.276,"end":799.579,"text":"謝謝賴惠元委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2024-12-30T10:16:37+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:16:38+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，我們請主計長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T10:16:37.879000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:16:42.911000+08:00","text":"陳主計長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2024-12-30T10:16:42.911000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:16:43.653000+08:00","text":"主計長，早安。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2024-12-30T10:16:43.653000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:16:45.615000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2024-12-30T10:16:45.615000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:16:53.041000+08:00","text":"我覺得你還是那個忠厚老實的主計長，要給你加油鼓勵。謝謝。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2024-12-30T10:16:54.322000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:17:32.092000+08:00","text":"延續郭國文委員的議題，財劃法不是不能修正，一定可以修正，可是要大家充分討論，中央跟地方把事和權一起做非常密切、緊密的討論，財劃法也應該可以有機會來修正，可是現在三讀通過了以後，你有沒有想到這個財劃法因應的方式，它可能走向釋憲，還是走向公投，還是走向修法？","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2024-12-30T10:17:33.353000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:17:35.095000+08:00","text":"這個其實都需要時間。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2024-12-30T10:17:35.095000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:17:53.167000+08:00","text":"主計長，你覺得如果在未來，我們假設有釋憲，但行不通的時候，就有一個公投，在未來這麼短的時間內有沒有辦法再重編這個預算？","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2024-12-30T10:17:53.167000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:17:58.868000+08:00","text":"原則上，因為整個預算重編是相當耗費時間。是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2024-12-30T10:17:58.868000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:18:04.569000+08:00","text":"所以一般我們大概都是需要將近5個月左右。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2024-12-30T10:18:04.569000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:18:10.270000+08:00","text":"5個月左右？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2024-12-30T10:18:10.270000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:18:15.971000+08:00","text":"之前施政方針的討論更不用說。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2024-12-30T10:18:15.971000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:18:30.065000+08:00","text":"所以這個部分將來如果一定要刪減的時候，我們也是必須要跟部會每個計畫去做討論，到底每個要刪減多少，但是如果一般性的原則，通案刪減的部分就是28%，如果我這一項不刪減，其他就是要提高刪減，可能會全部刪減，是這樣子。","quality":0.67},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2024-12-30T10:18:31.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:19:20.396000+08:00","text":"是，主計長，在這裡我們提到國防安全，還有社會福利、醫療的服務，包括我們的新藥、癌症用藥，其實這個都需要中央的補助，這不是情勒，現實存在的就是勞工的照顧，還有我的農業，我必須要為臺南講話，在這一次財劃法的分配裡，臺南是一個重災區，你也非常的清楚，臺南以農業為主，它的土地面積換算它的占比，如果從本來20%降低到10%的話，其實我們的農業發展的未來性就受限很大，還有重大的公共建設，還有科技跟產業的發展。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2024-12-30T10:19:21.036000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:19:36.104000+08:00","text":"其實我每天在財政委員會，這個禮拜是陳玉珍委員當召委，上個禮拜是我當召委，我都會覺得，有時候我聽、聽、聽，聽到都錯亂掉了，到底什麼是對的，什麼是不對的？","quality":0.723},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2024-12-30T10:19:36.104000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:19:52.966000+08:00","text":"可是真正的就是沒有錢嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2024-12-30T10:19:52.966000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:20:09.828000+08:00","text":"真正的就是中央被掏了3,753億以後，到了地方，其實地方多出來這些錢，可是事實上這些事誰來做？","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2024-12-30T10:20:09.828000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:20:26.690000+08:00","text":"有時候就是權力上的分配，我覺得事跟權是大家要共同去討論的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2024-12-30T10:20:26.690000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:20:43.552000+08:00","text":"好，有關排擠中央政策，我們看到經濟部很快的換算出來這個預算，如果通過財劃法的修法，它影響到的其實不只是治水的狀況，還有科技研發，還有中小微企業的發展，它已經很清楚算出來了，減列超過300億，這個是非常嚴重的。","quality":0},{"speake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的總預算影響已經非常的明確，請教主計長，如果我們規劃調整2025總預算的作法跟時程，就像你講的需要5個月的時間，所以我們利用追加減預算，可能這樣做嗎？","quality":0.537},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2024-12-30T10:26:28.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:26:32.154000+08:00","text":"要看將來我們救濟程序的情形是如何啦！","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2024-12-30T10:26:34.916000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:26:38.500000+08:00","text":"當然一定會影響到嘛！是。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2024-12-30T10:26:39.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:26:57.271000+08:00","text":"你應該要把影響到民生權益的這一些問題，它可能會讓這整個社會進入一個快速……事跟權沒有辦法好好做討論的時候，這些事情該如何處理？","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2024-12-30T10:26:58.132000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:27:10.435000+08:00","text":"這個我覺得你們都必須要非常明確的說出來，而不是擠牙膏式的，我們問你們你的困難在哪裡你才講出來，我跟你講，國家是大家的，大家會共同的去支持。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2024-12-30T10:27:10.435000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:27:31.894000+08:00","text":"你不能給了地方，地方突然間出來了這麼多錢，然後中央沒有錢去支付跨縣市的公共建設，這個絕對不是情勒啊！","quality":0.022},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2024-12-30T10:27:31.894000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:27:57.378000+08:00","text":"我特別跟主計長提醒，修法它沒有通盤考量事權的劃分，而我們把錢爭取回到地方，就像我們非常清楚礦區稅、土地增值稅全數回到地方，增加了所得稅跟營業稅挹注統籌分配稅的比例，卻沒有調整規劃支出事項，這個其實是我們擔心的。","quality":0.814},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2024-12-30T10:27:58.379000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:28:00.419000+08:00","text":"中央之前承接省府業務的時候，我們的老農津貼195億，這個事情誰來做？","quality":0.321},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2024-12-30T10:28:00.419000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:28:17.733000+08:00","text":"勞健保費用915億，事情誰來做？","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2024-12-30T10:28:17.733000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:28:35.047000+08:00","text":"還有在直轄市省立學校的350億、省立醫院的452億，如果一併回到各個地方政府來辦理的時候，相關業務的調整跟移交的時間，你們預計最起碼需要多少時間？","quality":0.032},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2024-12-30T10:28:35.047000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:28:56.860000+08:00","text":"因為它有一部分，譬如說勞健保、老農津貼這些都涉及到修法的部分，這必須要經過修法，譬如說有地方制度法還有全民健保相關的保險法，以及勞工保險條例等的修正，所以時間上是比較長。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2024-12-30T10:28:59.441000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:29:29.570000+08:00","text":"好，我的時間已經到了，最後我再給主計長看，這是我們整理出來，在這一次的修法裡頭，其實國民黨、民眾黨兩黨惡修財劃法，非常清楚看到我們如果以苗栗縣為主，苗栗縣以下所有分配的金額都是比較少的，這個是一個非常有趣的議題。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2024-12-30T10:29:29.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:29:54.046000+08:00","text":"還有在六都裡頭的增比臺南是墊底的，農業縣削弱的土地面積與農業需求，重北輕南劇碼再次的上演，我不是只有為臺南講話，相對的我也為我們的難兄難弟彰化、雲林、嘉義、屏東，其實都一樣啦，再一次提醒主計長，加油。","quality":0.775},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2024-12-30T10:29:54.046000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:29:56.276000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T10:29:56.276000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:29:56.579000+08:00","text":"謝謝賴惠員委員，接下來我們請顏寬恒委員。","quality":0.333}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}