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始還是114年?那113年難道全台灣沒有國家客家發展計劃嗎?113年是空窗期嗎?應該是說113年它還要有一個平台,369的發展平台。所以這兩項我考慮到它的政策方案,從那邊整個發展。"},{"start":342.997,"end":363.448,"text":"我為什麼要跟主委特別報告這件事國家客家發展計畫對全台灣的在客家發展非常重要因為裡面有編了很詳細的預算以及計畫以及執行情形可是我們現在看到的是在賴清德主政底下主委113年的計畫居然是空白繳了這個空白的成績單"},{"start":364.708,"end":391.113,"text":"所以我希望主委這一點要好好來檢討不然我們也不排除說這個您這邊要來推動客家發展計畫作為使客家基本法的預算在研究的預算我們不排除來凍結甚至刪除這拜託主委好在接下來在持續的關係我再請教這個剛剛很多人提到這個博工114年的博工照護站的部分我要為所有我們所有客家鄉親來請益為什麼博工照護站的這個"},{"start":392.293,"end":417.35,"text":"能申請的比例調整了。原本用客語溝通人數只要佔常住人口30%就可以了可是為什麼114年你們要改成這個比例要高達50%那這樣子我們經費大概有增加了快要300萬那這樣子申請門檻變高可是預算卻增加那我知道說你們一定會提說未來要改進加入什麼青年嘛對不對"},{"start":417.99,"end":421.832,"text":"因為百分之三十是因為目前客家文化發展期用鄉鎮期來算,多百分之五十是因為春禮"},{"start":439.182,"end":443.006,"text":"審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬部分。四、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬部分。"},{"start":466.345,"end":485.299,"text":"好那沒關係我們本期會繼續來監督看說這樣子話整個比例希望不要下降太多能申請人不要太少那最後時間的關係我再請教客委會我覺得最大的問題之一除了剛剛我們講的國家計劃法以外我認為沒宣費問題很大114年的客委會編的沒宣費是1329萬元"},{"start":490.243,"end":517.62,"text":"那比113年度的預算增加2300多萬元,比112年度的這個預算增加增加了3000多萬元,增加的比例非常的高。那本席跟主委報告112年月客委會有辦這個世界客家博覽會,所以我沒宣費可以增加我可以理解,可是113年度我們總共的經費是6900多萬,主委你知道到11月的時候沒宣費花了多少錢嗎?"},{"start":519.056,"end":526.761,"text":"到113年11月的時候預算數是6900多萬請問到113年的11月就上個月讓你結帳花了多少錢您知道嗎目前6200萬左右"},{"start":542.813,"end":568.48,"text":"我說到113年的11月底。知道嗎?目前是多少?三千人嗎?我要跟主委報告也跟所有委員報告的是你知道113年11月只花了3471萬你總共的預算是6900多萬你知道11月的時候11月底還花不到一半那我請教這沒宣費到底是怎麼編出來的?"},{"start":569.94,"end":592.421,"text":"因為因為有排程,有媒體的宣傳有排程,都是你的結案,結案的要由法律全部支付為款本送送。所以我要跟主委報告,沒宣費喔,尤其是我們所有委員非常重視,都是人民的納稅錢,到底有沒有付標,所以你12月份的時候要花,我們沒宣費花將近3339萬。"},{"start":596.351,"end":623.712,"text":"當然一定有包含驗收可是我要請問政府的預算人民納稅錢可以這樣花嗎全部預算一整年11個月份都不請款都不執行到12個月份的時候再大筆的沒宣費這樣去執行這樣去請款所以我要拜託主委的是我跟您報告你114年的預算是9000多萬要增加2000多萬我不希望說還有像113年這樣的執行跟運用跟請款情形可以嗎"},{"start":624.541,"end":647.827,"text":"昨天我看到他的付款,付款的期程在裡面,他的金額,英國的官員圖,官員圖都最年代。對,我們台灣有紅花季有非常多的節育啊,怎麼會到11月底的時候才花50%的錢,到12月份直接請款,把最後人民納稅錢53000多萬一次給請款一次給花掉。"},{"start":651.673,"end":668.838,"text":"我光是作業期程也不會花那麼久的時間所以我要拜託主委114年度還增加更多增加到9200多萬所以本期不希望發生113年度我照最後一個月再消化預算的情形這樣可以嗎?因為那個財務人員要儲息行財務人員要付款的儲息行當然我們不可以跟所有的律師都在那邊我看他的財務人員的情況要付款"},{"start":678.635,"end":693.044,"text":"所以每個執行平均都到12月才執行完畢嗎?所有的法庭都要均衍出來。好,謝謝主委,拜託以後不要再這樣子了,謝謝。好,謝謝張志倫委員。好,我們接下來請麥玉娟委員。"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:25:36+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:25:37+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:25:37+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:25:38+08:00","text":"各位委員、各位官員，大家早。","quality":0.182},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:25:38+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:25:39+08:00","text":"有請古主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T10:25:39+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:25:40+08:00","text":"請主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:25:40+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:25:41+08:00","text":"張委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:25:41+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:25:42+08:00","text":"古主委早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:25:39.671000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:26:27.704000+08:00","text":"上週二（12月24日）古主委有去苗栗及臺中參加活動，也在現場以及後續在客委會的官方臉書發文說，財劃法通過之後，各部會須刪減預算，以致客委會無法繼續支持全臺客庄的新建工程、活動，你特別提出來包含臺中東勢客家文化園區修建及新建案、苗栗明德水庫自行車道二期工程、補助地方復振客語的獎補助規劃，以及對地方藝文活動及團體的獎補助經費，也特別提出你客委會的預算會減少28%。","quality":0.654},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:26:27.704000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:26:45.473000+08:00","text":"我想要請教主委，12月20日（禮拜五）晚上財劃法才通過，21日、22日是禮拜六、禮拜日，23日你只有一天的工作時間，結果你在24日馬上就算出來你會減少28%的預算，讓我不禁覺得您非常的厲害！","quality":0.803},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:26:45.733000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:26:53.298000+08:00","text":"我都有點懷疑你未來有可能當主計長，所以想要請教你，你如何算出來你的部會是減少28%？","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:26:53.298000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:26:53.618000+08:00","text":"你有跟主計長討論過嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:26:53.618000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:26:53.898000+08:00","text":"還是您榮升主計長了？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:26:59.382000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:27:16.472000+08:00","text":"感謝張委員指教，這個預算扣掉法定支出後，根據通過的財劃法，要刪除三千多億，以此推估各部會可能要減少28%這樣的額度，這樣的額度會影響到我們客委會在哪些方面？","quality":0.343},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:27:16.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:27:18.073000+08:00","text":"很具體的來講，前面這兩個就是公共建設，公共建設是比較具體的、比較大型的案子，坦白說，我們經費上無法支持……","quality":0.478},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:27:38.805000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:28:04.283000+08:00","text":"謝謝主委，不過我也要跟主委報告，今年我們政府還是有超收稅收五千多億，所以本席是認為，其實財劃法修法後，中央還有9,000億可以運用，而且還不包含超收稅收的五千多億，所以我認為客委會應該要平衡中央與地方的財政，不要去影響中央對地方的補貼，請主委再了解。","quality":0.856},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:28:05.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:28:12.471000+08:00","text":"我還想要請教我剛剛請教主委的部分，我剛剛所提到這些刪減客庄新建工程的部分是客庄369的計畫，是嗎？","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:28:12.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:28:13.532000+08:00","text":"是的，是客庄創生環境營造計畫，也是資本門的部分。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:28:23.785000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:28:34.710000+08:00","text":"好，本席也在這邊提醒主委，其實客庄369的計畫不只有補助苗栗及臺中，也有補助屏東及高雄……","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:28:35.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:28:36.371000+08:00","text":"有，全臺灣都有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:28:37.031000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:29:02.022000+08:00","text":"本席希望你到屏東及高雄的時候，也要像到苗栗及臺中的時候，去跟他們講一下他們到底會減少多少預算，本席也希望你在這邊承諾，減少預算不能只挑臺中及苗栗，部會應該要去統整全臺各個地區，應該要對等的、平均地減少相關的預算，不能只減臺中及苗栗的，可以接受嗎？","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:29:02.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:29:05.363000+08:00","text":"跟委員補充報告，我會講這兩個案子是因為這兩個案子的經費很龐大，超過上億元……","quality":0.471},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:29:11.445000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:29:22.470000+08:00","text":"主委，我了解您的意思，那個經費比較大，那你可以同意全臺各個你要補助客庄369的要均衡地去減少，不能只減少臺中及苗栗的，可以嗎？","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:29:22.470000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:29:23.470000+08:00","text":"這個全臺灣都會受到影響，沒有錯，全臺灣都會受到影響。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:29:22.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:29:24.431000+08:00","text":"所以你全臺灣都會等比例減少？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:29:24.431000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:29:29.573000+08:00","text":"這個要看，要看這整個預算確定之後，才可以……","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:29:29.573000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:29:29.874000+08:00","text":"沒關係，本席會繼續監督預算……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:29:29.874000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:29:30.874000+08:00","text":"沒問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:29:29.894000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:29:53.579000+08:00","text":"希望你可以等比例地去減少，而且本席要特別提出來，你臉書發的這篇文章還特別請小編下了廣告，我知道你今天已經撤掉了，既然已經撤掉，我就不提了。","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:29:54.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:30:24.169000+08:00","text":"第二個，本席要請教你有關於客家族群主流化發展計畫，期程是109年到114年，我們可以看到，臺灣的客語發展有個非常重要的計畫，叫做國家客家發展計畫，最新的報告只有110年到112年，上次110年到112年的核定本是110年6月15日通過的，讓本席很好奇的是現在臺灣難道沒有國家客家發展計畫嗎？","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:30:24.169000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:30:25.511000+08:00","text":"感謝委員……","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:30:25.511000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:30:25.971000+08:00","text":"113年的發展計畫在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:30:25.971000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:30:26.351000+08:00","text":"請主委解釋一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:30:26.351000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:30:27.351000+08:00","text":"感謝委員，我上任以後也是有注意到這個，所以我們內部這幾個月正在……","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:30:26.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:30:27.412000+08:00","text":"我要請教主委，現在是113年的12月了……對。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:30:27.712000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:30:31.774000+08:00","text":"上次是在110年的6月15日就通過，你已經晚了將近6個月，我要請教，你新出的報告是要從113年開始還是114年開始？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:30:31.774000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:30:53.944000+08:00","text":"我們已經完成了，已經要報院了……","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:30:53.944000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:30:55.505000+08:00","text":"我請教主委，你要回答我，是從113年開始還是114年？114年。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:30:55.785000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:30:57.546000+08:00","text":"那113年難道全臺灣沒有國家客家發展計畫嗎？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:30:57.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:30:58.066000+08:00","text":"113年是空窗期嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:30:58.066000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:31:01.028000+08:00","text":"應該是說113年有一個平台，是369的發展平台，我後來把這兩個整合一起，變成國家客家發展計畫……","quality":0.486},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:31:18.997000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:31:21.138000+08:00","text":"我為什麼要跟主委特別報告這件事？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:31:21.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:31:54.531000+08:00","text":"國家客家發展計畫對全臺灣的客家發展非常重要，因為裡面編了很詳細的預算、計畫，以及執行情形，主委，可是我們現在看到的是在賴清德主政底下，113年的計畫居然是空白，繳了空白的成績單，所以我希望主委就這一點要好好來檢討，不然，您要推動客家發展計畫落實客家基本法的研究預算，我們也不排除凍結，甚至刪除，這個拜託主委！","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:31:55.431000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:32:09.794000+08:00","text":"接下來，時間的關係，我再請教，剛剛很多委員提到114年伯公照護站的部分，我要為我們所有客家鄉親來請益，為什麼伯公照護站能申請的比例調整了？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:32:09.894000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:32:20.441000+08:00","text":"原本是用客語溝通人數只要占常住人口30%就可以了，為什麼114年這個比例要改成高達50%？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:32:20.981000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:32:35.111000+08:00","text":"而且我們的經費大概增加了快要300萬，這樣子申請門檻變高，預算卻增加，我知道你們一定會提未來要改加入青年，對不對？不是……","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:32:35.111000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:32:58.728000+08:00","text":"那請主委解釋一下。","quality":0},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:32:58.728000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:33:22.345000+08:00","text":"30%是目前我們說的客庄或客家文化重點發展區，是用鄉鎮區來算，50%是到村里，小到村里，因為客家文化重點發展區有部分是客庄，有部分不是客庄，非客家文化重點發展區的部分也有客庄，所以會遺漏，我們現在比較精準，就是很準確地下到客庄的村里，比較小的單位，才會提高到50%。","quality":0.209},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:33:22.345000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:33:23.326000+08:00","text":"好，沒關係。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:33:23.586000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:33:29.010000+08:00","text":"本席會繼續來監督，希望整個比例不要上升太多，能申請的人不要太少。","quality":0.793},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:33:29.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:33:38.317000+08:00","text":"最後，時間的關係，我再請教，我覺得客委會最大的問題之一，除了剛剛我們講的國家發展計畫以外，媒宣費的問題也很大。","quality":0.816},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:33:39.578000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:33:56.810000+08:00","text":"114年客委會編的媒宣費是1億329萬元，比113年度的預算增加二千三百多萬元，比112年度的預算增加三千多萬元，增加的比例非常的高。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:33:57.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:34:13.620000+08:00","text":"本席跟主委報告，112年因為客委會有辦世界客家博覽會，所以媒宣費增加我可以理解，可是113年度總共的經費是六千九百多萬，主委，你知道到11月的時候花了多少錢嗎？","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:34:13.620000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:34:15.056000+08:00","text":"我要看一下……","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:34:15.056000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:34:18.378000+08:00","text":"好，可以，到113年11月的時候……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:34:18.378000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:34:19.378000+08:00","text":"六千多萬。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:34:18.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:34:22.001000+08:00","text":"對，預算數是六千九百多萬，請問到113年的11月，就是上個月，結帳花了多少錢，您知道嗎？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:34:22.001000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:34:22.741000+08:00","text":"目前是6,500萬左右。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:34:38.813000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:34:42.454000+08:00","text":"我說到113年的11月底，知道嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:34:45.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:34:46.235000+08:00","text":"三千多萬。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:34:47.355000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:35:04.460000+08:00","text":"好，我要跟主委報告，也跟所有委員報告，你到113年的11月只花了3,471萬，你總共的預算是六千九百多萬，到11月底還花不到一半，那我請教這個媒宣費到底是怎麼編出來的？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:35:05.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:35:15.109000+08:00","text":"應該是因為這個媒體的宣傳有排程，到12月結案，結案了才有辦法全部支付尾款給廠商。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:35:17.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:35:23.076000+08:00","text":"所以我要跟主委報告，媒宣費我們所有委員非常重視，這都是人民的納稅錢，到底有沒有浮編？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:35:23.656000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:35:27.860000+08:00","text":"所以你12月份的時候要花將近3,339萬的媒宣費。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:35:27.860000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:35:32.351000+08:00","text":"還有驗收。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:35:32.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:35:36.995000+08:00","text":"當然一定有包含驗收，可是我要請問，政府的預算、人民的納稅錢可以這樣花嗎？","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:35:36.995000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:35:59.712000+08:00","text":"全部的預算一整年、11個月份都不請款、都不執行，到12月的時候再這樣去執行大筆的媒宣費、這樣去請款，所以我要拜託主委的是，你114年的預算是九千多萬，要增加兩千多萬，我不希望還有像113年這樣執行、運用跟請款的情形，可以嗎？","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:36:01.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:36:12.124000+08:00","text":"可以，我們會檢討它付款的期程以及它的金額，應該是整年度到最後、最年底尾款才會撥付。對阿！","quality":0.308},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:36:12.864000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:36:23.807000+08:00","text":"臺灣有桐花祭，有非常多的節日，怎麼會到11月底的時候才花50%的錢，到12月份直接請款，把人民的納稅錢剩下的50%、三千多萬一次請款、一次給花掉？","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:36:28.073000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:36:39.736000+08:00","text":"光是作業期程也不會花那麼久的時間，所以我要拜託主委，114年你們的預算還增加更多，增加到九千兩百多萬，本席不希望發生113年度到最後一個月才在消化預算的情形，這樣可以嗎？","quality":0.822},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:36:41.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:36:44.818000+08:00","text":"這應該是照著程序走的，照著付款的程序走，當然我們不會將所有的累積到後面，會看它執行的情況付款。","quality":0.395},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:36:54.635000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:36:57.317000+08:00","text":"所以每個的執行情形都到12月才執行完畢？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T10:36:57.317000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:36:58.618000+08:00","text":"我們所有的活動都是整年度的。","quality":0.308},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-12-30T10:37:02.920000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:37:04.881000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝主委，拜託以後不要再這樣子了，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T10:37:05.082000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:37:07.003000+08:00","text":"謝謝張智倫委員。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T10:37:08.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:37:09.044000+08:00","text":"接下來請麥玉珍委員。","quality":0.889}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}