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報備你只是善意這樣宣傳不可以而已啊你有沒有禁止他所以現在很多像保養的食品或是保養的化妝品之類的你們都是屬於這個沒有去高度去管理"},{"start":233.066,"end":259.426,"text":"依照我們多政治專家管理辦法他們送進來的東西我們就按照那個法律的規定來做實質的審查實質的這個你說報備你有實質審查你不是報備嗎就是送進來的東西我們要去看嘛到底你報備的東西那你看了結果你的處理方式呢你怎麼管理管理就是進來的話如果符合這個東西然後符合我們的要求當然這個就算報備完成嘛那如果事後他有該報備不報備或是說報備的內容不實等等才不報備了你們加強會怎麼樣做呢"},{"start":260.253,"end":265.898,"text":"不報備又違法又詐騙呢?會處罰會比較高嗎?所以我還是建議啦我們可以採用許可制那我們可以由政府來嚴加管理那我們這個整個傳銷的這個事業用合法性跟合理性來做一個管理讓他們的整個規模不要有個模糊地帶"},{"start":288.797,"end":288.837,"text":"主席"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2024-12-30T10:41:03.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:41:05.754000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，現在請陳志民被提名人。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T10:41:06.474000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:41:07.135000+08:00","text":"請陳志民被提名人。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳志民被提名人","start":"2024-12-30T10:41:07.795000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:41:08.015000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2024-12-30T10:41:08.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:41:24.969000+08:00","text":"副主委，最近很多多層次媒體傳銷都被我們民眾認為是吸金、詐騙，這類事情越來越多，現在我們在制度上面是行使報備制，那報備制的話，我們在管理跟約束上可能力道不夠強，很多民眾大家都認為可不可以改成許可制？","quality":0.544},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2024-12-30T10:41:27.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:41:27.952000+08:00","text":"請問副主委，您的態度？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2024-12-30T10:41:28.232000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:41:28.413000+08:00","text":"你認為要改成許可制嗎？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2024-12-30T10:41:41.636000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:41:42.917000+08:00","text":"你支持許可制嗎？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳志民被提名人","start":"2024-12-30T10:41:42.917000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:41:58.930000+08:00","text":"我想各種制度都可以考慮啦，但是像多層次傳銷，基本本質上是一個私人之間的商業行為，所以原則上，從一個自由經濟體的制度來講的話，我們會覺得盡可能不要過度的介入，當然不要過度介入並不表示都不管……","quality":0.908},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2024-12-30T10:41:58.930000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:42:06.143833+08:00","text":"過度的介入……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳志民被提名人","start":"2024-12-30T10:42:06.143833+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:42:13.357667+08:00","text":"基本上，許可制通常是在比較例外，這個產業比較有特殊性質，我們才會介入……","quality":0.032},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2024-12-30T10:42:13.357667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:42:20.571500+08:00","text":"副主委，請教一下，照你的說法，你是支持報備制？","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2024-12-30T10:42:20.571500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:42:27.785333+08:00","text":"你說不要過度去干涉，但我們現在是在管理，我們可以低度一點去管理，才可以行使我們監督的權力，因為如果是報備制，很多人說報備只要準備一些文件送給你就好了，你有看沒看？","quality":0.014},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2024-12-30T10:42:27.785333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:42:34.999167+08:00","text":"你有沒有積極？","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2024-12-30T10:42:34.999167+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:42:42.213000+08:00","text":"都沒有，所以很多人都不來報備了，在不來報備之下，才會有多層次傳銷詐騙，以我們合法的方式來行銷，然後行詐騙之實，才會有這麼多民眾一直被詐騙啊！","quality":0.159},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2024-12-30T10:42:42.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:42:46.596000+08:00","text":"很多的媒體廣告宣傳，你們有每一篇、每一篇去看嗎？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2024-12-30T10:42:46.596000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:42:48.117000+08:00","text":"用報備的話，你有去看嗎？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳志民被提名人","start":"2024-12-30T10:42:48.117000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:42:52.961000+08:00","text":"在報備制度底下，只要報備文件進來，會內一定會詳細去看，報備制也不是說……","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2024-12-30T10:42:52.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:42:53.181000+08:00","text":"你會詳細去看？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2024-12-30T10:42:53.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:42:53.341000+08:00","text":"副主委……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳志民被提名人","start":"2024-12-30T10:42:53.341000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:42:54.341000+08:00","text":"業務單位會詳細去看。","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2024-12-30T10:42:53.681000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:43:12.986000+08:00","text":"副主委，113年到11月底，多層次傳銷有來報備的有384家，將近5年的時間有119家違法的案例，你們怎麼說？","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"陳志民被提名人","start":"2024-12-30T10:43:12.986000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:43:19.731000+08:00","text":"據我了解，大部分違法的案例都是沒有來報備或是變更沒有來變更，所以大部分是那個程序上它沒有去符合。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2024-12-30T10:43:20.131000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T10:43:24.515000+08:00","text":"所以你抓到的違法案例，有報備的你才抓的到，沒有報備的你抓不到嘛！","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"陳志民被提名人","start":"2024-12-30T10:43:24.515000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:43:41.154000+08:00","text":"基本上，這個報備制度就是這樣的精神，但是我剛剛跟委員講的就是說，雖然是報備制，但是我們是持續不斷地在精進這個報備制，我相信在座很多委員都有提出對本會的建議，像報備制要怎麼去改，我們都有採納委員的意見。","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2024-12-30T10:43:41.154000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T10:43:57.793000+08:00","text":"所以我們也是建議，本席是支持許可制，為什麼要採許可制？","quality":0.042},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2024-12-30T10:43:57.793000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"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