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08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:13:57.280000+08:00","text":"我想我們都有這個看法，就是這個比例是針對這樣來的，所以每一個部會減少的差不多就是這樣。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:13:58.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:14:20.227000+08:00","text":"我要問這個問題的原因是因為，你要節省出三千多億的經費轉給地方這是個事實，但是怎麼樣移轉不一定是說通通用……有一種方法是大家一起減少一定的比例，這是一種方法；有一種是有一些部會相對來講業務可能沒有那麼重要，它刪多一點，也許客家的預算根本不會被動，對不對？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:14:20.227000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:14:23.148000+08:00","text":"請問行政院現在有決定用哪一種方法嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T11:14:23.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:14:30.370000+08:00","text":"目前政策還沒定，我們是用這樣推估的方式來算我們會受到影響的比例。","quality":0.567},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:14:31.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:14:34.411000+08:00","text":"所以是你自己算的，沒有行政院的指揮，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:14:34.411000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:14:35.051000+08:00","text":"也還沒有決定？","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T11:14:35.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:14:36.831000+08:00","text":"沒有錯。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:14:36.831000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:14:37.512000+08:00","text":"你們是自己算的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T11:14:37.732000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:14:37.872000+08:00","text":"沒有錯。好。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:14:39.624000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:14:49.973000+08:00","text":"第二個，從你剛剛講的裡面可以得到的，就是新的案子沒辦法補助，表示計畫型補助的預算會大幅刪減，然後甚至包含舊的、已經核定的案子，你都有可能會刪減而導致延宕。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:14:49.973000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:15:02.123000+08:00","text":"然後你還有講說200個客家班會沒辦法開班，所以編在這次預算第4目客家語言發展的經費七億多，其中兩億多是要全部刪掉，對不對？","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:15:02.123000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:15:04.254500+08:00","text":"再來，從你裡面講的看起來苗栗很慘，因為停的案子都是苗栗的案子，不管是客家花園也好，或者是後龍的補助，或者是明德水庫的景觀，或者是自行車的案子，是你剛好人在苗栗，還是真的就是要砍苗栗的案子？","quality":0.188},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T11:15:04.254500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:15:06.386000+08:00","text":"因為我剛好在苗栗，所以我說苗栗的，我有補充說全臺灣都受到影響，因為我們的補助有給全臺灣的縣市政府。","quality":0},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:15:06.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:15:44.637000+08:00","text":"最後一個，從你剛剛這段言論裡面可以得知的就是說，這個減列的計畫，也就是刪減28%的這個計畫，在114年就會執行，可是剛剛我們講的這幾個問題，就是從你那一天講的話裡面延伸出來的，可是跟現實上好像有很大的落差耶！","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:15:45.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:15:51.944000+08:00","text":"我現在先問你第一個問題，如果按照你自己算的要減列28%，那我們是不是下午審預算的時候，我們就直接把它減列掉？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:15:52.164000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:15:52.905000+08:00","text":"你贊成這樣的做法嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T11:15:52.905000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:16:18.041000+08:00","text":"現在是要照程序來，因為財劃法立法院三讀通過，但是行政院還沒收到這個決議、總統還沒發布，所以我們現在還是要針對這個程序來走，今天審的是目前我們編的114年度的預算，我還是要為客委會的預算來捍衛。","quality":0.105},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:16:18.041000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:16:20.562000+08:00","text":"還是要為客委會預算來捍衛，所以你還是希望可以儘量來通過，對不對？","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T11:16:20.562000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:16:21.562000+08:00","text":"沒有錯，拜託委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:16:20.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:16:22.702000+08:00","text":"我們不要去影響客庄的補助跟建設嘛！","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T11:16:23.142000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:16:23.482000+08:00","text":"拜託委員。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:16:23.882000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:16:38.485000+08:00","text":"你現在又拜託我，那這樣就很奇怪，你如果今天希望大家這個預算不要減列，事實上剛剛很多委員也提到了，不管是行政院、主計總處、財政部，他們現在在財政委員會質詢，他們都講114年總預算要趕快來通過。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:16:38.485000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:16:42.666000+08:00","text":"換言之，行政院已經講得很清楚，沒有要重編的計畫，也沒有要減列的狀況，對不對？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:16:44.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:16:50.631000+08:00","text":"那不減列是大的原則，希望預算通過是你今天講的，那你那天在苗栗的說法是不是造謠？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T11:16:50.631000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:16:59.437000+08:00","text":"不是，因為財劃法立法院已經通過了，通過了就會照著這個程序走，我們都會提前準備，假使真的是這樣的話，會受到的影響是什麼我就要先講，先把這個算出來，讓大家來了解，這都是事實。","quality":0.553},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:17:10.506000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:17:20.369000+08:00","text":"主委，你講的話是會被媒體報導的，是會引起鄉親恐慌的，為什麼可以在地方行程的時候講一套，今天你在這邊答詢的時候，你又變出另外一套？","quality":1},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:17:21.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:17:22.850000+08:00","text":"為什麼兩套說法可以同時存在？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T11:17:23.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:17:33.454000+08:00","text":"我沒有兩套，我是一套，就是這個財劃法因為立法院已經通過，這是事實，針對這三千多億……","quality":0.611},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:17:33.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:17:47.727000+08:00","text":"不好意思，主委，你如果是一套說法的話，那你是不是在那邊就講說程序上會發生這樣的事情，你如果是這樣講，那大家就沒有意見，但我們還是希望預算過關，然後你在苗栗的時候你這樣講，你今天回答質詢的時候你也這樣講，大家不會有問題啊！","quality":0.99},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:17:47.907000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:17:54.253000+08:00","text":"可是問題是你在這邊就講說現在還有一些程序上的問題，所以還要等結果，所以希望我們不要去減列，對不對？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T11:17:54.253000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:18:08.208000+08:00","text":"我在地方有講，假使通過要這樣執行的話，我在地方有講，假使要執行的話會影響到我們，我們都是一套的說法。","quality":0},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:18:08.208000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:18:20.679000+08:00","text":"在所有新聞媒體的揭露上面，可不會幫你寫這麼多前提條件，那你要不要在今天的質詢結束之後，趕快發一個正式的澄清跟說明──還是要按照預算的正常編列程序跟法規的執行之後再做定奪？","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:18:20.679000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:18:20.759000+08:00","text":"是不是要這樣講？","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T11:18:20.759000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:18:21.860000+08:00","text":"我現在還是要照程序來，但是我們立法院通過財劃法也是事實，所以我們根據這樣會來推估我們受到的影響，我要跟大家來報告。","quality":0.642},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:18:35.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:18:45.837000+08:00","text":"我現在要提醒你的就是說，如果你明明知道這個有一定的行政程序，預算的追加追減也有一定的程序，那你就應該在公開的場合講一樣的程序。","quality":1},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:18:46.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:19:07.685000+08:00","text":"如果你真的已經收到行政院的命令，或者是你自己要自我撙節，你已經做好了這樣的準備，那你今天來這裡備詢的時候，你就要講我們哪些計畫要處理，今天我們就把它減列，那也是一種做法，但至少不管是這兩種的哪一種，對外、對內都是一致的，可是你不能對外講得一副很恐怖的樣子，對內又講我們要循程序，預算還要照編，這就是雙標、這就是造謠，對不對？","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T11:19:07.685000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:19:08.685000+08:00","text":"我對外也是說中央的三千多億……","quality":0},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:19:07.685000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:19:08.565000+08:00","text":"你對外沒有講一樣的話啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T11:19:08.565000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:19:09.565000+08:00","text":"中央的三千多億如果給地方……","quality":0},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:19:08.585000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:19:10.065000+08:00","text":"你對外的說法就是要刪減28%，你對外的說法是兩百多個客語班沒辦法開，那是不是預算要刪掉？","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T11:19:10.065000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:19:14.413000+08:00","text":"這是推估……","quality":0},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:19:14.413000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:19:18.761000+08:00","text":"又變推估了？","quality":0},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T11:19:18.761000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:19:23.109000+08:00","text":"沒有，三千多億假使刪掉的話，針對我客委會的影響是什麼，我是這樣來算的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:19:23.109000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:19:42.703000+08:00","text":"主委，財劃法通過之後，事權一定要調整，我想你那天講的也是希望說如果真的有缺口，希望縣市政府用多的統籌分配款來處理。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T11:19:42.803000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:19:43.343000+08:00","text":"沒有錯。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:19:43.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:19:43.363000+08:00","text":"沒錯嘛！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:19:44.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:19:46.926000+08:00","text":"但是你為什麼前後要不一致呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:19:47.246000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:19:49.648000+08:00","text":"如果還沒有確定的事，不能亂講耶！","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:19:49.648000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:20:14.847000+08:00","text":"你現在是主委，講出來的話大家都很關心，會造成客庄鄉親的恐慌，本席強烈的建議，今天在答詢結束之後，趕快去媒體那邊把話重新的講清楚，要按照程序等等，經過審慎的討論之後再行調整，把你前面的話收回來，要不然下午的預算我也不知道要怎麼審，因為你一下說要刪、一下又說不要刪，那到底要不要刪？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:20:14.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:20:15.787000+08:00","text":"都會遇到這個問題嘛！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:20:16.348000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:20:17.289000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:20:17.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:20:18.830000+08:00","text":"希望主委審慎為之啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2024-12-30T11:20:19.731000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:20:25.615000+08:00","text":"對外講的話，不要有其他政治帶風向的意圖，我提醒你到這裡，剩下的我們下午預算再講，謝謝。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T11:20:26.276000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:20:27.157000+08:00","text":"感謝委員，我想我們會照這樣走。","quality":0.308},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T11:20:29.198000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:20:36.244000+08:00","text":"古主委，你今天答詢的時候，一直講說假使怎麼樣、假使怎麼樣，我不知道那個翻譯的有沒有讓所有委員聽到，你這個假設性──假使如何如何，你根本不用講，所以你之前在臺中、苗栗那個都是假設性的話，我們假設如果地震來的話怎麼樣，講這些幹嘛？","quality":0.402},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T11:20:36.744000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:20:39.029714+08:00","text":"根本還沒發生的嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T11:20:39.329714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:20:53.044000+08:00","text":"所以我不知道剛剛所有委員聽這個翻譯有沒有聽到，主委就一直說假使怎麼樣、假使怎麼樣，這個假使就不用講了嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-12-30T11:20:53.344000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:20:56.201143+08:00","text":"輪到我發言，主席等一下……","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T11:20:56.501143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:21:04.501143+08:00","text":"沒有，沒有，本席因為聽太多，我本來早就要提了，所以主委，這一塊……主席……","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T11:21:04.801143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:21:07.086857+08:00","text":"請你尊重會議主席。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T11:21:07.386857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:21:21.672571+08:00","text":"主委，你這個假使、假使，你從頭到尾都講假使，所以本席就在這裡特別也跟你講，你這樣假使，可是寫出來都沒有假使，對不對？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T11:21:21.972571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:21:26.258286+08:00","text":"好，那請你回座，也請李委員尊重主席。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T11:21:26.558286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:21:29.129714+08:00","text":"接下來請李柏毅委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}