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tart":"2024-12-30T11:24:17.665000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:24:18.665000+08:00","text":"可以暫停，但是你要搞清楚……","quality":0.091},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-12-30T11:24:18.665000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:24:19.665000+08:00","text":"下一個是換我喔！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T11:24:19.665000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:24:20.665000+08:00","text":"對，是換你，但是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-12-30T11:24:20.665000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:24:21.665000+08:00","text":"我的質詢是在第14位呀！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T11:24:21.665000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:24:22.665000+08:00","text":"不是、不是，你是不懂主席可以有裁決權嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-12-30T11:24:22.665000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:24:23.665000+08:00","text":"你要質詢客委會、你在質詢客委會，你可以用你的時間啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-12-30T11:24:23.665000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:24:24.665000+08:00","text":"但你一直在評論啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T11:24:24.665000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:24:25.665000+08:00","text":"你是不懂主席可以有裁決權嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-12-30T11:24:25.665000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:24:26.665000+08:00","text":"你一直在評論，下一個是換我，你也知道啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-12-30T11:24:26.665000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:24:27.665000+08:00","text":"你故意在那邊拖嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T11:24:27.665000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:24:28.665000+08:00","text":"不要去揣測別人。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-12-30T11:24:28.665000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:24:29.665000+08:00","text":"我們繼續。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T11:24:29.665000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:24:30.665000+08:00","text":"主席沒有請你上臺的時候，其實你可以還不用上臺。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-12-30T11:24:30.665000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:24:31.665000+08:00","text":"我講到一半，你在插什麼嘴啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-12-30T11:24:20.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:24:21.366000+08:00","text":"剛剛也不是你的時間啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T11:24:49.865000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:24:51.609000+08:00","text":"我是主席，所以現在可以繼續開始。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-12-30T11:24:51.709000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:24:51.849000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-12-30T11:24:51.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:25:17.655000+08:00","text":"我也很想討論，主委，新竹增加了185億，針對客委會要補助的事權上，我們是不是應該做一些理性的討論？","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-12-30T11:25:17.655000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:25:18.356000+08:00","text":"這個才是我們要的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-12-30T11:25:19.257000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:25:36.654000+08:00","text":"如果真的國民黨的主張是說……其實我們當過局處長、當過部會首長，我們知道，我們都希望可以做很多事情，可以跟行政院爭取很多的預算，這一本客委會的預算，其實就是這樣爭取來的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-12-30T11:25:36.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:25:47.833000+08:00","text":"當整個行政院的預算少了三千多億，難免一定會少到各部會的預算，一定會！","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-12-30T11:25:48.013000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:25:51.876000+08:00","text":"客委會必須要做什麼樣的準備，要不要來討論這些事權怎麼處理？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-12-30T11:25:52.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:25:56.079000+08:00","text":"比如你怎麼去補助比你還有錢的縣市？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-12-30T11:25:57.379000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:26:00.842000+08:00","text":"這些資本門的補助，我們是不是應該坐下來討論？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-12-30T11:26:01.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:26:04.184000+08:00","text":"現在這些縣市的總預算就比你們高這麼多，你們怎麼補助他們？","quality":0.577},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-12-30T11:26:04.864000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:26:08.266000+08:00","text":"主委，你有沒有這一套想法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-12-30T11:26:08.266000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:26:17.675000+08:00","text":"另外，不能補助的東西、不能分事權的東西是在哪裡？","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-12-30T11:26:17.675000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:26:36.526000+08:00","text":"比如現在有ChatGPT，ChatGPT裡面可以開發出學習英文的ChatGPT，我也希望客委會投資、開發讓國人免費下載可以學習客語的GPT，這個各縣市可以拿去做嗎？","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-12-30T11:26:36.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:26:38.147000+08:00","text":"這還是要統歸事權，讓客委會這邊來做。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-12-30T11:26:38.668000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:27:03.967000+08:00","text":"舉例來說，客委會其實有到日本跟客家社團互動，我覺得這個也必須要強烈地鼓勵，搞不好以後這些地方政府出國的預算都會比你客委會還多了，所以這些相關的事權，我也希望主委可以做一個說明。","quality":0.89},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-12-30T11:27:04.808000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:27:10.272000+08:00","text":"主委，你可不可以先回應我，面對比你有錢的縣市，接下來的補助你有沒有什麼想法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T11:27:10.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:27:15.522000+08:00","text":"感謝委員，沒有錯，因為我們的預算其實沒這麼多，各縣市增加的統籌分配稅款已經比我們客委會的預算還要多，所以我會提出這樣的……","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-12-30T11:27:15.542000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:27:17.483000+08:00","text":"所以我們對於事權應該要有一些討論。","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T11:27:29.049000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:27:34.250000+08:00","text":"是，有這樣的擔心，會想要拜託地方政府把客家的部分預算補起來的原因就在這裡，所以這個部分要跟有客家庄的各縣市好好商量。","quality":0.407},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-12-30T11:27:34.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:28:28.240000+08:00","text":"其實這樣分下去，我也很擔心，我們想推動比如學客語的app，搞不好每個縣市都有錢來做一個app，所以客委會還是要對於相關縣市的這些……我們還是要具體地趕快來討論事權，雖然這個是一個很畸形的立法，先把錢拿走，沒有討論事權，但是確實真的要做事的部會就遇到了事權該怎麼樣處理的問題，尤其客委會，你是預算算很少、很少的部會，預算很少、很少的部會要來補助非常、非常有錢的縣市政府，這是前所未有的，我們希望可以坐下來好好地討論這些事權要怎麼樣來分配，謝謝。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T11:28:28.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:28:28.400000+08:00","text":"謝謝李委員。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T11:28:28.900000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:28:31.471429+08:00","text":"接下來請丁學忠委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}