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至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至"},{"start":286.698,"end":289.14,"text":"所以我的意思我的意思是說我們國家要帶人走向正向我們不要再政治化了好不好"},{"start":305.93,"end":307.251,"text":"我們客人會應該把我們客家的優美優美的傳統把我們客家優美的特色我們呈現出來這樣是"},{"start":321.577,"end":321.917,"text":"9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時"},{"start":351.813,"end":366.4,"text":"首先是學習客語。我們學習語言就要從小開始學習起。客委會有這個客語沉浸式教學計畫在客家文化重點發展推動全客語幼兒園這個部分我們最近發展的怎樣"},{"start":371.247,"end":372.268,"text":"五十二雙用合法來講,我應該是八百兩百。"},{"start":393.391,"end":404.517,"text":"報告主席我再一點點時間就好我跟那個主委再探討一下我知道我們第一個這個第一個學年的成果是怎樣"},{"start":406.618,"end":412.56,"text":"推動這個沉浸式幼兒園的我們執行第一個學年目前全行的幼兒園在他們的院室有8個院所是不是有77個幼兒園的3000多個小朋友獲得補助"},{"start":436.089,"end":440.492,"text":"二、審查客家委員會及所屬部分。三、繼續審查客家委員會及所屬部分。"},{"start":458.41,"end":462.132,"text":"中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬部分。三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬部分。"},{"start":486.046,"end":496.434,"text":"我們一天會給審問內用力因爲要以客家法去居合的一個結團,客行業最好的結團。好,感謝主委,感謝主席。好,接下來請黃婕委員。"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2024-12-30T11:28:51.958000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:28:53.078000+08:00","text":"感謝主席，我請主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T11:28:53.138000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:28:53.238000+08:00","text":"請主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T11:28:53.238000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:28:54.238000+08:00","text":"丁委員好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2024-12-30T11:28:53.358000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:28:54.879000+08:00","text":"主委，剛剛大家都在說財劃法通過以後，你馬上跳出來說你們整個總預算會少了兩成八到三成左右。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T11:29:15.967000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:29:17.849000+08:00","text":"是，平均，是用平均來算。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2024-12-30T11:29:18.869000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:29:24.633000+08:00","text":"我想請問主委，今年你們的預算有沒有少了兩成八？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T11:29:28.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:29:33.380000+08:00","text":"因為總預算很早就提出來，所以目前我們是照著原編的預算送出來。","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2024-12-30T11:29:34.913000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:29:37.735000+08:00","text":"那中央政府有沒有說要重編預算？","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T11:29:37.755000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:29:38.035000+08:00","text":"目前還沒說。","quality":1},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2024-12-30T11:29:38.035000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:29:39.356000+08:00","text":"還沒有，所以這兩成八的預算，你是怎麼算的？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T11:29:39.656000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:29:41.758000+08:00","text":"因為用財劃法通過的三千多億來算，扣掉法定的支出以後，平均的比例就是28%，我們這樣來算。","quality":0.816},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2024-12-30T11:30:03.184000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:30:04.925000+08:00","text":"所以明年還沒有要執行財劃法？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T11:30:08.506000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:30:19.810000+08:00","text":"因為財劃法經過立法院三讀通過了，目前行政院還沒有政策出來，還沒有公布，所以還沒有執行，還沒有正式生效執行。","quality":0.396},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2024-12-30T11:30:23.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:30:44.230000+08:00","text":"我覺得我們政府執政團隊的一言一舉是受國家及全世界的矚目，包括各位執政團隊你們的發言，是不是會造成地方上民眾的恐慌？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2024-12-30T11:30:45.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:30:46.011000+08:00","text":"我們可能要以這個問題為優先。","quality":1},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2024-12-30T11:30:46.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:31:07.765000+08:00","text":"財劃法通過，是要讓我們每一個縣市都可以平均分到統籌分配款的增加，使地方的社福或是建設可以更加落實，並不是要跟中央搶什麼錢，這個部分我要跟主委說明一下。","quality":0.586},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2024-12-30T11:31:10.026000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:31:28.397000+08:00","text":"還有就是客委會這幾年增加很多客家行銷傳播的經費，拍攝一些國際大片來做宣傳，請問那些拍的影片的內容是什麼？","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T11:31:28.397000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:31:43.236750+08:00","text":"我們拍的影片很多，包括影視的影片或是我們客家、客語的影片都有，譬如已經拍完的「茶金」，過去很有名，現在客家電視臺和客家傳播基金會都還有一些影片在拍攝。","quality":0.03},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2024-12-30T11:31:43.236750+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:31:58.076500+08:00","text":"也有白色恐怖的？","quality":0},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T11:31:58.076500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:32:12.916250+08:00","text":"有，這是我們臺灣歷史的一部分。","quality":0},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2024-12-30T11:32:12.916250+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:32:27.756000+08:00","text":"其實這是我們臺灣的歷史，沒有錯，這個是過去明顯分裂族群所發生的慘劇，但是我要跟主委報告的是，傷口才剛好，已經結痂了，我們現在還要用政府資源把那個結痂弄到流血，對不對？","quality":0.027},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2024-12-30T11:32:27.756000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:32:31.317000+08:00","text":"經過這個程序、這樣的做法，我們國家、我們人民的融合、和氣的狀況永遠都不會產生。","quality":0.794},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T11:32:31.317000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T11:32:39.18900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委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T11:37:02.713000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:37:02.774000+08:00","text":"感謝丁委員。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T11:37:03.014000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T11:37:03.434000+08:00","text":"接下來請黃捷委員。","quality":0.875}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}