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你如果願意承諾我我覺得就OK啦沒什麼要跟你吵的啊是不是?沒有錯沒有錯那我們會跟新北市講說對跟新北市講說可能你們你們中央地方政府溝通之間有問題啦應該是有問題啦應該是應該是有問題啦應該是有問題啦因為我得到的消息不是這樣不過沒有關係我們不用去吵這些我們把事情做好就好"},{"start":535.325,"end":561.98,"text":"那基本上你願意再多給我們500多萬我覺得謝謝你啊我代替我們新北市的對就這個地方如果願意申請你願意給嗎就是這樣子嘛然後另外就是藝名祭跟童話祭啦我希望說你可以維持我們旗艦行的活動啊400萬的活動你只補出100萬這是最大的活動這個是讓客家文化大家一起在一起嘉年華式的活動結果你只給100萬好像很看不起這個活動我非常不能接受啦"},{"start":563.2,"end":584.155,"text":"我根本不能接受啦你可能坐在冷氣房裡面啦不了解地方啦所以就隨便給100萬100萬給你們你們能辦就能辦不能辦就算了但是這個對我們來說很重要希望你改變你的思維這是旗艦行活動每一個機關每一個縣政府都有一個大型的活動地方的節慶那以客家來講在我們新北市就是藝名節"},{"start":585.65,"end":605.147,"text":"他的重要性不是像你講的啦,我們錢就這樣隨便給一給,我覺得我不太能接受這樣的講法。每個地方,每個地方,由他的接近的法律,或是針對接近法律,投射的位分都投一些的啦。多少給一?以前是400萬嘛,你上任之後就剩100萬嘛。你跟其他的主委都不一樣啦。"},{"start":606.633,"end":607.894,"text":"我現在跟你講你當時全面很涼但是之前400萬現在100萬"},{"start":619.594,"end":646.117,"text":"就是在主委的任內啦,把我們砍到剩這麼少啦。你砍到成這樣,我們新北市被你這樣子欺負,實在是我覺得很誇張啦,謝謝。也沒有啦,因為在新北市的全體委員會一來一到,但是可以看到我們在家庭、泥沿、鳳眠、貴庶市所以也不會講得到。反正結果就是這樣嘛,你就聽不進別人講的嘛,謝謝。"},{"start":651.718,"end":653.362,"text":"5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:04:10+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:04:11+08:00","text":"麻煩請古主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（徐委員欣瑩）","start":"2024-12-30T12:04:11+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:04:12+08:00","text":"好，邀請古主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:04:12+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:04:13+08:00","text":"葉委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:04:13+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:04:14+08:00","text":"主委你好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:04:11.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:04:12.963000+08:00","text":"我是來自新北市板橋區，主委，你知道我們板橋區有多少客家人嗎？","quality":0.593},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:04:12.963000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:04:17.586111+08:00","text":"板橋有……很抱歉，我要看一下數字。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:04:17.586111+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:04:22.209222+08:00","text":"你要看一下數字？","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:04:22.209222+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:04:26.832333+08:00","text":"你知道新北市有多少客家人嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:04:26.832333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:04:31.455444+08:00","text":"差不多六十幾萬。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:04:31.455444+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:04:36.078556+08:00","text":"臺北市有多少？","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:04:36.078556+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:04:40.701667+08:00","text":"四十幾萬嘛，加起來一百多萬。是的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:04:40.701667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:04:45.324778+08:00","text":"全國有多少客家人？466萬。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:04:45.324778+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:04:49.947889+08:00","text":"四百多萬，所以雙北已經占了差不多四分之一的人口。超過。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:04:49.947889+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:04:54.571000+08:00","text":"超過，對不對？","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:04:54.571000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:05:07.961000+08:00","text":"可是客委會每一次在客家政策上，我個人認為非常偏重在傳統客庄，但是沒有提出一個對都會客家比較完整的政策，甚至於補助，我認為對我們雙北──就是對都會客家的補助其實都不夠。","quality":0.59},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:05:09.302000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:05:15.947000+08:00","text":"剛剛徐欣瑩委員有提到義民祭，本來110年的時候，義民祭是補助新北市400萬，113年剩100萬；桐花祭在110年的時候是補助250萬，現在剩140萬。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:05:25.654000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:05:25.874000+08:00","text":"主委，為什麼會這樣？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:05:27.315000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:05:57.242000+08:00","text":"好像對於我們都會客家在舉辦活動方面的補助越來越少，因為我們新北市義民祭是傳統客家非常大的活動，我每年都有去，在那個活動裡面，所有的客家社團一起參與，然後新北各界一些客家的前輩也都會來，大家非常開心，這是一個很大的盛會，結果感覺好像客委會不是那麼支持，現在的預算只剩下以前的四分之一，為什麼會這樣？","quality":0.883},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:05:58.263000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:06:25.616000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，有兩部分，第一部分就是因為客委會推展很多年，越來越多人了解客家文化、喜歡客家文化，也會參與客家文化，所以越來越多團體舉辦活動，各縣市政府在節慶方面的補助，我們一定會來協助，所以有這麼多的情況之下，因為我們的預算有限，僧多粥少，分配之下，經費就會減少。","quality":0.479},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:06:29.498000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:06:31.959000+08:00","text":"主委，不好意思，我不能接受這樣的說法啦！","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:06:32.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:06:39.603000+08:00","text":"因為你的講法是因為太多人辦活動，經費有限，所以我就把這些旗艦型的活動減少，沒有人是這樣子搞的！因為……","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:06:40.783000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:06:53.669000+08:00","text":"通常客家活動、大的活動、旗艦型活動都要維持嘛，你寧可把餅分給大家，隨便讓大家去弄，反而不讓有一個旗艦型的活動，讓大家真正可以來參與客家文化，我非常不贊同你這樣的做法！","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:06:54.369000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:07:00.475000+08:00","text":"第二個，我們都會客家其實面對到客語的推廣更重要，為什麼？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:07:00.475000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:07:16.388000+08:00","text":"因為像傳統客庄，他們有比較好的客語環境，以我們板橋來講，它是都市、比較都會區的，大家分散在各個地方，所以客委會在今年有一個五百多萬的預算給新北市是做客語家庭，為什麼明年沒有了？","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:07:17.489000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:07:18.290000+08:00","text":"還沒有審查、還沒審查。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:07:18.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:07:18.730000+08:00","text":"會補助多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:07:18.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:07:18.750000+08:00","text":"還沒有……","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:07:23.875000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:07:29.399000+08:00","text":"審查我知道，但是審查的話，你是要先提出你要編多少預算才有辦法審查啊，你要編多少？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:07:30.099000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:07:33.241000+08:00","text":"新北在客語家庭非常用力，肯定……","quality":0.385},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:07:33.622000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:07:35.863000+08:00","text":"新北很用力，我知道啊！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:07:36.063000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:07:36.684000+08:00","text":"我現在是說客委會不用力啊！多少？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:07:36.704000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:07:38.385000+08:00","text":"因為我們的客語家庭和客語深根計畫是並列，沒有單獨起來……","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:07:38.385000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:07:38.425000+08:00","text":"什麼並列？","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:07:38.425000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:07:45.492000+08:00","text":"客語深根計畫……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:07:45.492000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:07:52.559000+08:00","text":"深根計畫是不是？","quality":0},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:07:52.559000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:07:59.626000+08:00","text":"對、對、對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:07:59.626000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:08:06.693000+08:00","text":"深根計畫嘛？對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:08:06.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:08:09.838000+08:00","text":"主委，我們的客語深根計畫，新北市今年是編312萬，明年編390萬，只增加78萬，但是我們今（113）年的客語家庭計畫是564萬，所以你把564萬取消了，增加78萬到客語深根計畫……","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:08:09.838000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:08:22.386000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:08:22.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:08:23.546000+08:00","text":"你覺得那個比例會不會差太多？","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:08:23.546000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:08:24.546000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們同事剛才跟我說，是新北市提出的經費、是新北市所提出的……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:08:23.746000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:08:27.927000+08:00","text":"因為新北市不知道你把客語家庭計畫取消了嘛。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:08:27.927000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:08:28.927000+08:00","text":"沒有取消。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:08:28.427000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:08:31.208000+08:00","text":"新北市客語家庭少了一千多個。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:08:31.208000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:08:32.208000+08:00","text":"沒有取消、沒有取消。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:08:31.208000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:08:32.488000+08:00","text":"不是，你沒有經費補助嘛。","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:08:32.508000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:08:32.728000+08:00","text":"有、有、有。多少？","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:08:32.728000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:08:33.728000+08:00","text":"有很多。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:08:33.348000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:08:33.609000+08:00","text":"多少嘛？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:08:33.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:08:34.049000+08:00","text":"你現在就講嘛。","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:08:49.861000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:08:50.301000+08:00","text":"三百九十幾萬。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:08:50.301000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:08:51.142000+08:00","text":"三百九十幾萬？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:08:51.142000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:08:57.823500+08:00","text":"三百九十幾萬是客語深根計畫嘛！","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:08:57.823500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:09:04.505000+08:00","text":"對、對、對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:09:04.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:09:11.028000+08:00","text":"你是主委，你的資料還沒有我的詳細喔，你現在是說客語深根計畫，我知道啊，390萬啊！對。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:09:11.648000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:09:24.573000+08:00","text":"但是今年本來就有312萬的客語深根計畫，實際上明年只比今年多78萬，可是今年有編一個客語家庭計畫是564萬嘛。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:09:24.573000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:09:25.573000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這部分並沒有減少，市政府……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:09:24.613000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:09:25.114000+08:00","text":"就是有嘛，這個數字就是少五百多萬啊！","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:09:25.114000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:09:26.114000+08:00","text":"新北市……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:09:25.134000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:09:25.434000+08:00","text":"不要鬼打牆好不好？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:09:25.434000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:09:36.993000+08:00","text":"不是、不是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:09:36.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:09:41.556000+08:00","text":"就少五百多萬嘛，我現在是拿數字跟你講，這五百多萬去哪裡了？","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:09:41.556000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:09:42.556000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:09:42.437000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:09:50.322000+08:00","text":"我們義民祭的預算被減少了，我們的桐花祭也被減少了，今年的客語家庭計畫五百多萬沒有了，然後客語深根計畫多78萬。","quality":0.776},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:09:50.322000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:09:51.322000+08:00","text":"是新北市所提出的預算要補助390萬，我們按照……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:09:50.322000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:09:51.022000+08:00","text":"那個是深根計畫，我講的是客語家庭計畫，不要在那邊顛倒好不好？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:10:06.413000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:10:34.056000+08:00","text":"我講的是客語家庭計畫，客語家庭成立了一千多個，很多家庭報名參加，然後新北市政府也有配套，鼓勵他們多講母語，讓他們參加活動，弄了很多有關的配套方案，結果忽然間客委會把這五百多萬取消了，在深根計畫多了78萬，然後就說這個是客語家庭計畫，主委講半天，你就是沒有告訴我這五百多萬……新北市的客家人六十幾萬，不是客家人嗎？","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:10:34.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:10:35.517000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我從頭講，今年以前，客語家庭跟深根計畫是兩個計畫，明年之後，兩個計畫合併，共同來申請計畫。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:10:35.637000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:10:37.519000+08:00","text":"我知道，共同申請就是390萬，就是390萬嘛，不要再鬼打牆了，錢就是少很多，你現在是講說新北市政府沒有來申請是不是？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:10:37.519000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:11:03.780000+08:00","text":"不是沒有申請，它提出計畫……","quality":0.273},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:11:03.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:11:12.886000+08:00","text":"還是說其實實際上你們跟他們講說沒有那個母語計畫，他們不知道客語家庭計畫併到深根計畫？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:11:12.886000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:11:13.886000+08:00","text":"全部有講。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:11:12.886000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:11:13.046000+08:00","text":"有，確定？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:11:13.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:11:15.108000+08:00","text":"我得到的消息不是這樣喔！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:11:15.488000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:11:18.150000+08:00","text":"如果說今天你透過這樣的一個質詢過程，你講說還有錢，新北市可不可以繼續來申請？","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:11:18.150000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:11:22.435000+08:00","text":"全臺灣都相同的。","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:11:22.435000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:11:26.720000+08:00","text":"可不可以？可以。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:11:26.720000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:11:31.005000+08:00","text":"可以再申請是不是？","quality":0},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:11:31.005000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:11:35.290000+08:00","text":"一視同仁。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:11:35.290000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:11:39.575000+08:00","text":"所以可以跟今年的規模一樣，是不是？","quality":0.067},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:11:39.575000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:11:43.860000+08:00","text":"因為今年是兩個計畫加起來，564加312是876萬，你現在只有390萬，所以它還有五百多萬的空間可以申請，是這樣嗎？","quality":0.049},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:11:43.860000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:11:48.145000+08:00","text":"你的意思是這樣嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:11:48.145000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:11:52.430000+08:00","text":"應該這麼說──地方的需求要做到什麼程度，他們要提出來，不是因為去年的多少額度，今年就要照編。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:11:52.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:12:02.513000+08:00","text":"沒關係，主委，因為新北市政府的人現在不在這邊，但是沒關係，就我跟你的對答，你的講法是他們沒有來申請，所以給了這麼少，但是我得到的消息不是這樣。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:12:02.513000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:12:03.513000+08:00","text":"不是、不是，您誤會了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:12:02.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:12:24.143000+08:00","text":"我得到的消息是說客委會把那個計畫取消，沒有關係，你已經承諾了，今天只要新北市政府認為有需要，比如說客語家庭，它還可以來申請，是不是這個意思？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:12:26.865000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:12:28.046000+08:00","text":"它有需求就可以申請。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:12:28.046000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:12:29.046000+08:00","text":"有需求就可以申請。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:12:28.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:12:42.715000+08:00","text":"那今年跟明年比，其實客委會目前是少補助五百多萬，所以它還有很大的空間可以來申請，這個主委你直接承諾就可以了，因為我來自地方，我們要幫地方爭取預算，你如果願意承諾，我覺得就OK啦，就沒什麼好跟你吵的啊！","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:12:43.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:12:44.956000+08:00","text":"是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:12:45.796000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:12:47.437000+08:00","text":"沒錯、沒錯。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:12:47.437000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:12:49.778000+08:00","text":"好，那我們會跟新北市講說……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:12:49.778000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:12:51.399000+08:00","text":"看地方的需求，要提出申請。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:12:51.399000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:12:54.640000+08:00","text":"可能你們中央、地方政府之間的溝通有問題，應該是有問題啦！","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:12:54.640000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:12:55.921000+08:00","text":"我們有辦說明會。","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:12:55.921000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:12:57.882000+08:00","text":"因為我得到的消息不是這樣，不過沒有關係，我們不用去吵這些，我們把事情做好就好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:13:05.465000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:13:11.448000+08:00","text":"基本上，你願意再多給我們五百多萬，我覺得謝謝你，我代替我們新北市的……","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:13:11.448000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:13:12.448000+08:00","text":"要看地方需求。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:13:11.588000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:13:14.610000+08:00","text":"對、對、對，就是地方如果願意申請，你願意給，就是這樣子嘛。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:13:14.610000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:13:15.610000+08:00","text":"對、對、對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:13:15.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:13:33.901000+08:00","text":"另外就是義民祭跟桐花祭，我希望你可以維持我們旗艦型的活動，400萬的活動你只補助100萬，這是最大的活動，這個是客家文化大家一起的一個嘉年華式活動，結果你只給100萬，好像很看不起這個活動，我非常不能接受啦、我非常不能接受啦！","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:13:34.061000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:14:00.855000+08:00","text":"你可能坐在冷氣房裡面，不了解地方，所以就隨便給100萬，100萬給你們，你們能辦就能辦，不能辦就算了，但是這個對我們來說很重要，希望你能夠改變你的思維，這是旗艦型活動，每一個機關、每一個縣市政府都有一個大型的活動、地方的節慶，以客家來講，在我們新北市就是義民節，它的重要性不是像你講的「我們的錢就這樣隨便給一給」，我不太能接受這樣的講法。","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:14:01.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:14:07.280000+08:00","text":"每個地方有他們的節慶活動，我們針對節慶活動，多少會給一些補助。","quality":0.357},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:14:10.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:14:15.127000+08:00","text":"以前是400萬，你上任之後就剩100萬，你跟其他的主委都不一樣啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:14:15.127000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:14:16.127000+08:00","text":"我們會全面來衡量。","quality":0.125},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:14:16.127000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:14:17.127000+08:00","text":"全面啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:14:17.127000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:14:18.127000+08:00","text":"整個預算來衡量一下。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:14:16.753000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:14:33.557000+08:00","text":"我現在跟你講，你當然是全面衡量，但是之前是400萬，現在是100萬，就是在主委的任內，把我們的預算砍到剩這麼少啦！","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:14:33.557000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:14:36.220000+08:00","text":"我們會全部來研究。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:14:36.220000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:14:43.286000+08:00","text":"你砍成這樣，我們新北市被你這樣欺負，我覺得很誇張啦，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-12-30T12:14:43.586000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:14:50.272000+08:00","text":"沒有，因為藝文活動全臺灣愈來愈多人辦理，我們看到在家庭語言方面……","quality":0.379},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-12-30T12:14:54.295000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:14:56.117000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，反正結果就是這樣嘛，你就聽不進別人講的嘛，謝謝。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T12:14:56.617000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:14:58.617000+08:00","text":"謝謝葉元之委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T12:14:58.917000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:15:05.774143+08:00","text":"登記發言委員除不在場者外，其餘均已發言完畢，詢答結束。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T12:15:06.074143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:15:12.931286+08:00","text":"未及答復部分請相關單位於1週內以書面答復並副知本會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T12:15:13.231286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:15:19.517000+08:00","text":"我們現在休息用餐50分鐘，下午1點5分繼續開會，現在休息。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T12:15:19.817000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:15:20.959857+08:00","text":"休息（12時15分）","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T12:15:21.259857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:15:22.974143+08:00","text":"繼續開會（13時14分）","quality":0.167}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}