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有嘛齁但是你看看齁你看看我們這個全國各地的這個媒體報導各個部位分的是說什麼你看衝擊文化部預算73.3億齁這個國防部800億右較高較900億這個勞保1200億"},{"start":544.783,"end":570.322,"text":"還有什麼?國客會兩百億退伏費兩百億這個臨近什麼衛福部什麼身心健康啊什麼什麼哇這個加起來真的幾千億啊跟你說的完全不一樣是今天是這些部會的部會所長不懂胡說八道還是你跟他們溝通不良啊你沒有跟他們講是只有影響28%嗎?你有沒有跟各個部會說?"},{"start":571.837,"end":582.207,"text":"所以這個部分呢就是說我3兆1扣掉對我知道我剛都已經聽過很多遍所以才1兆3對1兆3裡面的28%因為一般性賭注的話那個30條修不能第一往前嘛所以那不影響以國防經費它將近3000億嘛"},{"start":588.413,"end":611.276,"text":"那百分之三就是將近九百億要刪減那這個部分就是刪減下來要刪九百億因為他不含人員維持會國防經費就將近二九四五嘛你知道這些人你知道嗎這些你有沒有看過這些新聞報告你有沒有請你的部署去整理一下這些全部他烏浪浪加起來七八千億喔可能不止喔"},{"start":612.304,"end":616.187,"text":"有的是指項目的影響有的是指項目的影響有的是指項目的影響有的是指項目的影響有的是指項目的影響"},{"start":642.324,"end":653.237,"text":"詐騙集團夠多了不要再繼續詐騙人民恐嚇百姓好不好對不對都胡說八道嘛你看你今天說的我們就聽得很清楚了28%嘛不是全部都什麼幾百億幾千億"},{"start":655.533,"end":676.026,"text":"還是他們還是還是我建議啦如果有這樣散發這種假訊息的這些部會他們心裡的期待就是希望被減800、900你們就按照這一張他們寫的幫他們刪預算嘛這個也是一個方法或者我們來代勞今年預算的時候今年11305我們來幫你負責砍3753億好不好你們不用那麼辛苦我們一定會幫你努力做到好不好主席長好不好好好謝謝好的謝謝"},{"start":685.205,"end":686.712,"text":"下一位是劉許廷委員不對還沒有唸完劉志強委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:22:33+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:22:37.566600+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:22:37.566600+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:22:42.133200+08:00","text":"請李副秘書長跟主計長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T12:22:42.133200+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:22:46.699800+08:00","text":"請李副秘、主計長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李副秘書長國興","start":"2024-12-30T12:22:46.699800+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:22:51.266400+08:00","text":"召委好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2024-12-30T12:22:51.266400+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:22:55.833000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:22:55.833000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:23:24.343000+08:00","text":"我賡續黃珊珊委員剛剛的發言，就是我們要修財劃法已經說很久了，也請各部會、請財主單位提出你們的修法版本、也跟你們講，所以你們到現在一直在說，還有八十幾項收斂到剩3項指標，行政院，你們是在懷疑當初我們跟你講這個會期法案一定要通過，你們是在懷疑我們的決心，是嗎？","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:23:24.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:23:24.683000+08:00","text":"懷疑立法院修法的決心嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:23:24.683000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:23:25.064000+08:00","text":"你當然沒在這裡，主計長都在這裡嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:23:25.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:23:46.443000+08:00","text":"在這裡說過無數次，我說這個會期在我擔任召委的時候一定會修法通過的，你們為什麼都沒有做任何的……還在八十幾項收斂到3項，效率怎麼這麼低呢？","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"李副秘書長國興","start":"2024-12-30T12:23:47.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:23:49.584000+08:00","text":"沒有，因為財政部事實上正在收斂這些資料……是啊！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:23:49.944000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:23:55.566000+08:00","text":"但是我們也給了你們這麼久時間，6月份到9月份也給3個月時間，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:23:55.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:24:02.249000+08:00","text":"到現在我們都修法通過，你們的幾項都還沒有收斂完成，如果等你們全部收斂完成都地老天荒了。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:24:06.068000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:24:37.220000+08:00","text":"還有，在修法過程中也有講到底哪些事權要修，剛剛黃珊珊委員講，我們事實上也提過很多次，就是哪一些要修，也在這裡，內政部也有來，那時候還做決議，趕快把相關你們覺得應該修的事權、錢應該怎麼分、地方稅則、地方制度法等等，也應該送上來，目前為止也沒有，不過剛剛黃委員問過，希望你們一個禮拜內趕快提出相關的報告，我覺得你們根本就不是沒辦法，是你們不想做，這個大家看得很清楚。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:24:38.862000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:24:50.458000+08:00","text":"114年總預算要重編，本席排這個題目被林俊憲委員說，好像餓太久，搶著要吃什麼東西，明明這句話就不是本席說的。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:24:52.339000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:25:00.687000+08:00","text":"114年度總預算要重編這句話，行政院記者會那天主計長有在旁邊，財政部部長也在旁邊，這個是行政院說的，是吧？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:25:01.008000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:25:01.328000+08:00","text":"這是誰說的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:25:01.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:25:09.415000+08:00","text":"他說財劃法修法若公告實施，嚴重衝擊明年總預算可能需重編，這是誰說的話？","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:25:09.415000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:25:09.936000+08:00","text":"這句話是誰說的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:25:10.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:25:10.957000+08:00","text":"請問行政院李副秘。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"李副秘書長國興","start":"2024-12-30T12:25:14.176000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:25:15.617000+08:00","text":"這看起來應該是發言人講的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:25:15.897000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:25:16.398000+08:00","text":"發言人是誰？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李副秘書長國興","start":"2024-12-30T12:25:16.398000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:25:17.499000+08:00","text":"李慧芝發言人。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:25:17.499000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:25:20.922000+08:00","text":"李慧芝女士，這句話是他說的吧？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:25:23.805000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:25:25.347000+08:00","text":"發言人說話是不是代表你們行政院？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"李副秘書長國興","start":"2024-12-30T12:25:27.048000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:25:29.971000+08:00","text":"他的原意其實應該不是這樣。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:25:29.971000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:25:35.983000+08:00","text":"行政院發言人的原意可以弄到全世界都聽不懂，只有他聽得懂，這個發言人還適格嗎？","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:25:35.983000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:25:42.504000+08:00","text":"因為所有的媒體的標題都寫說要重編，然後現在來問的每個立委也都認為當初的意思是要重編。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:25:42.504000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:25:47.285000+08:00","text":"所以他的本意不是這樣子，你是不是說他口齒不清，還是表達能力有問題？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"李副秘書長國興","start":"2024-12-30T12:25:47.285000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:25:52.526000+08:00","text":"因為他前面講到，未明定施行日期會讓明年總預算本身受到嚴重衝擊了……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:25:52.706000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:25:56.827000+08:00","text":"未明定施行日期是因為還沒公布嘛，他連中央法規標準法都不懂喔？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:25:57.787000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:25:59.528000+08:00","text":"他在發言，你們都沒有替他準備稿喔？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:26:00.742000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:26:01.423000+08:00","text":"他隨便說喔？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:26:01.983000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:26:09.932000+08:00","text":"當然是公布以後，沒有明定，很多法令都是公布後實施啊，這是基本常識，做一個發言人不懂嗎？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:26:09.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:26:11.794000+08:00","text":"這個發言人適格嗎？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:26:11.794000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:26:14.056000+08:00","text":"還是他企圖誤導社會大眾？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:26:14.317000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:26:14.917000+08:00","text":"這樣要不要下台啊？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:26:16.699000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:26:20.824000+08:00","text":"讓你們今天還要坐在這裡重新再一個一個──主計長再解釋一次、財政部長再解釋一次、你還要來這邊解釋一次，對不對？","quality":0.82},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:26:23.745000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:26:39.029000+08:00","text":"他說的這個，全國的媒體也是這樣認為啊，一個發言人可以把一個政府的政策弄到全中華民國的媒體都認為他說要重編，然後你現在說他的意思不是這樣子，那他不是口齒不清的話，就是很不適格啊！","quality":0.988},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:26:39.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:26:40.829000+08:00","text":"這樣不用下台嗎？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:26:40.829000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:26:43.510000+08:00","text":"副秘書長，還是他「半暝吃西瓜」，反症？","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"李副秘書長國興","start":"2024-12-30T12:26:45.602000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:26:49.263000+08:00","text":"我們的了解是他對這個表達憂心，因為衝擊真的很大，3,753億元。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:26:50.224000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:26:54.785000+08:00","text":"是，表達憂心嘛，但表達憂心不是這樣子發言嘛，對不對？對嘛？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:26:55.405000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:26:56.165000+08:00","text":"非常不適格啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:26:58.126000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:27:09.990000+08:00","text":"我想請問陳主計長，剛也很多人提過了，我也拜讀了一下，您也是很優秀，國立成功大學政治經濟學系的碩士，你記得你的碩士畢業論文題目嗎？","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2024-12-30T12:27:09.990000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:27:10.990000+08:00","text":"當初是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:27:10.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:27:10.410000+08:00","text":"我是問你記得你寫的題目嗎？","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2024-12-30T12:27:10.410000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:27:11.961000+08:00","text":"不記得。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:27:11.961000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:27:13.512000+08:00","text":"不記得喔？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:27:13.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:27:28.934000+08:00","text":"你寫的是：「台南市政府預算決策之研究──以民國93年度預算案為例」，這是您的成大碩士論文，我拜讀過，我看了一下。","quality":0.532},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:27:29.174000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:27:43.601000+08:00","text":"你在行政院記者會上說……你剛剛的回答我有聽到，你說時空環境改變，但是我們現在說的都是那個時候的事情，精省已經是發生的事情了，你在寫論文的時候精省已經發生了，你在討論這個事情。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:27:44.061000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:28:28.985000+08:00","text":"好，現在也是在講精省前整個預算中央及地方的分配，你那時候的說法是：「精省後中央雖承接省府稅課收入等1,505億元，惟亦承接相關支出2,892億元，收支併同考量後中央入不敷出達1,387億元，並未因精省而獲益」，這個是你說的；然後你接著再寫：「在地方財政普遍困難的整體景象中……導致台南市財政惡化之原因，除了因景氣低迷，稅收與土地增值稅銳減，及為配合精省而修正的財政收支劃分法未臻完善，致補助款減少、中央統籌分配稅款分配比例不均」，這每句話都是你寫的吧？","quality":0.755},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:28:30.105000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:28:30.606000+08:00","text":"應該不是抄的吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:28:31.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:28:32.347000+08:00","text":"這是自己寫的吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:28:32.347000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:28:33.868000+08:00","text":"這是你的想法嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2024-12-30T12:28:33.868000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:28:37.870000+08:00","text":"以臺南市當初的財政狀況，它是……","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:28:37.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:28:39.431000+08:00","text":"對，當初是這樣子嘛！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2024-12-30T12:28:39.431000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:28:40.431000+08:00","text":"是，當時財政是真的很困難。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:28:40.031000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:28:40.851000+08:00","text":"這個是你寫的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:28:42.112000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:29:05.919000+08:00","text":"接著你又講了：「可見縣市地方財政未因精省及修改財政收支劃分法而改善……精省前，省府每年有1,500億的地方建設補助款，可以補助地方的基本建設；還有歷年結餘……所以精省前地方政府沒有財政赤字，精省後已經喪失這個調節機制，地方政府的財政赤字便不斷累積。","quality":0.676},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:29:05.919000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:29:28.751000+08:00","text":"」然後接著又寫說：「87年精省以後……」，我們都在講以前的事，是民國87年的事喔，你寫到：「省府業務下放地方，但財源並未跟著下放，地方政府一般性補助款不但未見增加反而減少，形成地方有責無權，業務增加財源却減少……」，所以意思是說精省事實上有的業務是撥到地方，但沒有給它錢，都被中央拿走了，對不對？","quality":0.711},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:29:30.333000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:29:36.659000+08:00","text":"原來由省負擔的警政支出給縣市負擔，造成收支失衡更加嚴重。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:29:37.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:29:43.486000+08:00","text":"這每句話都是你說的，而你現在的回答就在打臉你過去的碩士畢業論文。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:29:45.167000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:29:53.815000+08:00","text":"剛剛我聽到你回答別的委員說什麼時空環境、時空變化之術，就民進黨常說的那個，但是精省的事情早就發生了，你了解我在說什麼嗎？","quality":0.764},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2024-12-30T12:29:53.815000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:29:54.815000+08:00","text":"以現在來講，它補助各縣市，現在各縣市都有賸餘，所以縣市賸餘就達到648億，以前101年的時候它是負的589億，現在已經變成正的648億，所以它是有改變的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:29:54.576000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:29:55.577000+08:00","text":"有賸餘是……您現在的說法是因為這麼多年來中央一直有給地方補助嘛！對。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:29:55.577000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:30:00.754333+08:00","text":"如果照原來那個是不夠，但是中央一直有給錢……對。","quality":0.05},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:30:00.754333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:30:05.931667+08:00","text":"或者另外可能是地方很努力地賺錢，對吧？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:30:05.931667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:30:11.109000+08:00","text":"兩個可能嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2024-12-30T12:30:11.109000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:30:16.286333+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有，因為它……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:30:16.286333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:30:21.463667+08:00","text":"是因為中央一直給錢嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2024-12-30T12:30:21.463667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:30:26.641000+08:00","text":"自有財源並沒有增加很多，所以大部分……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:30:26.641000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:30:31.818333+08:00","text":"所以是中央努力的給錢嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2024-12-30T12:30:31.818333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:30:36.995667+08:00","text":"一般縣市補助就有給它增加，重新算……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:30:36.995667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:30:42.173000+08:00","text":"所以是因為中央有努力補助地方嘛，我們今天只是把這個補助由原來由你們分配的權力變成直接就給地方……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2024-12-30T12:30:42.173000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:30:47.350333+08:00","text":"但是你又維持一般縣市補助……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:30:47.350333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:30:52.527667+08:00","text":"這個只是誰在決定錢怎麼用，而不要讓今天地方政府還要來求爺爺告奶奶，爸爸媽媽的財產本來就要給小孩子，不用他還要來拜託，也不是全部給，不過多了9%而已，您剛才算了一下才9%……","quality":0.026},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2024-12-30T12:30:52.527667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:30:57.705000+08:00","text":"但是它又維持6%……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:30:57.705000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:31:00.828000+08:00","text":"也不至於影響到中央的整個支出。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:31:02.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:31:11.119000+08:00","text":"剛剛我也聽到您說了，因為剛剛已經好多委員質詢，說事實上除了法定支出以外，剩下的是整個裡頭的28%，對不對？","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753億，好不好？","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:33:46.484000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:33:48.585000+08:00","text":"你們不用那麼辛苦，我們一定會幫你努力做到，好嗎？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:33:48.645000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:33:48.765000+08:00","text":"主計長，好嗎？……","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-12-30T12:33:48.965000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:33:48.986000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T12:33:48.986000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:33:49.026000+08:00","text":"好的，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T12:33:49.026000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-30T12:33:59.692000+08:00","text":"羅智強委員、羅智強委員、羅智強委員，羅智強委員不在場。","quality":0.13},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-30T12:33:59.692000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-30T12:33:59.712000+08:00","text":"請牛煦庭委員。","quality":0.333}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}