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燈光或不注意這個呃行人那第三款是大型車倒車"},{"start":2677.235,"end":2677.555,"text":"檢討第三項第15款"},{"start":2694.483,"end":2714.271,"text":"有五十五條第一項第一款那第一項第一款就是在隧道橋樑快車道這些相關這個違反臨時停車的這個行為那反反是這個300到600那第二款的部分是在交叉路口還有公車這個暫停等等的部分"},{"start":2714.991,"end":2737.722,"text":"議員．議員．議員"},{"start":2737.802,"end":2765.452,"text":"那另外要檢討刪除部分第16款是在55條第一項第一款第二款規定禁止臨時停車出手就是剛剛前第15款所報告的包括在這個橋樑隧道快車道還有包括在這個交叉路口10公尺公車後車停10公尺這邊前面是這個禁止臨時停車那禁止臨時停車就是不得停車那如果說這個停車的話那就是這個16款原來"},{"start":2766.032,"end":2782.654,"text":"檢討檢討"},{"start":2785.055,"end":2808.189,"text":"這個這個第三款跟這個第十款的一個部分那這個第十款是有關於這個占用身心障礙的部分這個部分大概法案都是在六百到一千二以上大概就是七條之一總共現行條文有檢討五款在最高法案一千兩百元以下您這個限縮不以民眾檢舉以上先做一個重點的報告"},{"start":2809.605,"end":2828.787,"text":"好謝謝交通部的說明林福山市長的說明那我們現在要請各位委員來表示意見那補充介紹林國成委員好那首先請陳書業委員"},{"start":2833.922,"end":2856.857,"text":"謝謝主席今天委員會就是針對有關這個交通違規檢舉的一個部分我們進行相關法令的一個修正這個議題我想在去年也是引起很多社會的一個紛擾那我們知道就是有關法令的一個制定我們基本上就是要維護這個社會秩序保障人民的生命財產安全"},{"start":2858.078,"end":2881.084,"text":"可是如果說當這個法令被過度運用我想也是造成了很多的一個紛擾就像這個檢舉魔人這是一般地方基層的一個反應就是說這個檢舉的人如果說過度的一個檢舉的時候真的也會造成社會的很多民怨那這個我們在基層也都接到很多民眾的一個反應"},{"start":2881.744,"end":2906.487,"text":"所以今天交通部針對這個檢舉的這個部分我們交通部目前的設計是針對就是沒有達到一千兩百元的這個違規的狀況這行為我們就是不檢舉這就是好像是一刀切的一個做法當然這樣子的目前這樣子的一個設計可能就交通單位就是我們交通部的"},{"start":2906.867,"end":2907.047,"text":"議員．答案"},{"start":2931.88,"end":2947.299,"text":"就是有關身障車位的這個意見因為我們知道就是目前就彰化縣來說領有身心障礙者專用停車證的就有一萬七千多人可是這個相對之下這個身障車位"},{"start":2948.42,"end":2972.472,"text":"就不到200個就100多個停車格這樣子的一個數量的一個比例真的是懸殊非常的大所以在這個部分我們要如何就是說未來在就是交通違規的這個部分我們如果說這個部分排除檢舉的話我們要如何去保障身心障礙者在這個身上車位的使用上"},{"start":2973.372,"end":2989.007,"text":"能夠不受影響這部分我們是不是請交通部也要去做一個比較周全的考慮謝謝好 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謝謝主席其實我們今天的修法確實重點是在於第五十五條就是關於檢舉方面那其中呢第12款124款包括紅山委員的那個修正基本上主要都是針對所謂的維挺"},{"start":3236.699,"end":3261.87,"text":"委員會大概佔我們所有交通檢舉罰單幾乎快要佔的四分之一也就是說民眾最常觸犯的就是委員會那我們現在對委員會有很大的一個修改第一個就是有些是取消檢舉人第二個就是說政府其實我們也認為政府應該要也要善盡到自己的責任尤其交通部這裡"},{"start":3263.331,"end":3263.351,"text":"委員會議"},{"start":3283.616,"end":3308.915,"text":"到臺北市最繁華的商業區全部都紅線你知道人家怎麼臨時上下車也不能計程車也不能臨時停車嘛類似這些應該其實政府也要負起責任不能把所有責任丟給駕駛或丟給行人那另外剛剛生意委員提的那個修正那個棋樓原則上我是贊成啦因為棋樓也是民運很大的一個地方啦"},{"start":3310.984,"end":3335.31,"text":"對 對 對 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謝謝主席我想針對於今天大家條例的幾條的修正案事實上上次在我們巡查的過程中我把我的主要意見表達出來了我個人是覺得這個現在包括地方政府跟很多的一個交通的一個設施確實存在一些"},{"start":3465.691,"end":3465.711,"text":"委員會議"},{"start":3482.768,"end":3503.135,"text":"整個修正一個方向方向我覺得有一些是確實要符合現況要等待我們所有的地方政府或者相關的交通設施成就到一定的一個過程我覺得再來把它倒回來滾動式檢討再說那但是有幾條一刀切我建議要我建議要把它拿掉啦第一個是"},{"start":3505.257,"end":3518.632,"text":"這個三十一條第六項就針對於這個安全帽我上次也講過這沒有什麼營業團體說我不要戴安全帽其實真的沒有人提案兩邊都沒有人提而且戴安全帽"},{"start":3519.713,"end":3520.774,"text":"第2個就是應該是第15項對吧 裡面"},{"start":3549.588,"end":3558.214,"text":"第十六 針對停車 停車的部分因為原來第五十五條裡面的 包括隧道"},{"start":3559.477,"end":3559.497,"text":"委員會議"},{"start":3581.678,"end":3599.564,"text":"但這個部分我覺得說到我覺得是沒有辦法容忍也是保障這個大家的生命還有行人穿越到斑馬線我覺得不合比例原則因為你不小心把正在穿越的人嚇到可能都要記兩點那你乾脆把車停在斑馬線上面"},{"start":3601.064,"end":3626.952,"text":"不能檢舉也不用祭典你擋到所有人穿越的權利的時候你不用我覺得這也很怪最後一個就是剛剛我們陳書遠委員特別說了這個應該是第17項這個裡面是第56條的中間第10款是身葬車位我覺得身葬車位非常少我也希望這一次在修法的過程中把它拿掉以上建議謝謝"},{"start":3628.532,"end":3631.435,"text":"當然其實在不管是多次我們委員會召開的會議都有再次強調"},{"start":3648.749,"end":3667.559,"text":"我本人的立場就是交通的改革循序漸進那如果說依照目前交通部的版本來修的話那可以說是完全是退回的原點那所以說因為有今天有交通部的版本以及蔡啟昌委員、洪森漢委員等四位委員的那個臨時提案修正動議"},{"start":3673.362,"end":3700.532,"text":"那我個人會認為這份修正動議是我比較覺得可以討論的部分當然我不是代表說我全面支持啦而是說在製造在這份修正動議各位委員立場應該是差不多的我們都有考慮到汽車族以外的一些民眾使用的權益包括我們在行車的時候不應該侵犯到行人的權益我們不應該侵犯到比較弱勢身心障礙者的一個權益所以我個人是"},{"start":3702.032,"end":3729.993,"text":"支持在55條第一項的部分要維持能夠檢舉那55條第二項的部分在修正動議上面沒有但我也是認為因為我們在公共交通站公共交通站的部分其實它已經是大眾公共運輸的部分了我們應該是要提供一個比較優質的公共運輸的環境所以說汽車交通站我認為應該要納入包括江沙路口江沙路口的部分"},{"start":3731.654,"end":3747.614,"text":"交叉入口部分因為很多行人穿越的時候他都在交叉入口那既然我們要保護行人的話如果有車輛在交叉入口臨時停車的話那其實對於行人穿越馬路也是相當危險的那所以說我會希望我個人的建議也是希望55條第二項也能夠維持民眾檢舉"},{"start":3751.058,"end":3773.904,"text":"五十五條第四項我個人當然也是支持維持檢舉的以及身心障礙者剛有提過的五十六條第十項剛剛有提到騎樓的部分因為剛修正東西有在騎樓不在此線的部分我是認為這個單數應該不要加入因為騎樓其實它也是一個行人通行的空間"},{"start":3777.385,"end":3806.505,"text":"各地方政府都會有騎樓停放的規定像台北市跟新北市是完全相反的台北市是原則禁止例外開放新北市是原則開放例外禁止那我覺得只要地方政府限定不能停的部分那就是認為地方政府認為那是行人通行非常重要的一個通行的路徑那應該比照人行道以及行人穿越道的部分應該只要維持能夠檢舉以上是我個人的意見"},{"start":3807.285,"end":3826.334,"text":"好,廖新祥委員發言完畢我做個補充說明廖新祥委員所提的第55條第一項或第二項、第四項其實那個是款那個不是項做個補充說明現在請林佩祥委員發言"},{"start":3828.295,"end":3849.95,"text":"主席我們各位委員針對這六十三條我覺得有一個在執行面上面的事情我們這邊在這次修法裡面沒有有點忽略到了其實我們都很清楚在從這個修正修正第一款的這個第二在在第五頁我們這邊就是已經知道了大大量進行舉發為舉舉發記違規點數版辦理規則作業然後以遠出裁罰機關行政量的這負荷所以這件事我們都很清楚說"},{"start":3858.295,"end":3873.011,"text":"很有可能是有人大量的檢舉而且可能是八十二十百分之二十的人造成百分之八十的檢舉那我們是不是可以在這次的修正上面來去做一個一定程度的一定程度的這個不要講管制就是一定程度的範圍比如說"},{"start":3874.472,"end":3901.228,"text":"我只是舉一個舉例因為實質上我們會遇到這樣的問題雖然不是在不只是給主管機關麻煩也是給執法機關麻煩比如說可能一天一次一個月三十次因為我們會看到有些人是一個月一年下來可能超過五百次的檢舉那其實是非常態的我們支持說民眾有檢舉的能力然後讓我們的交通更好可是我們不太支持這種相對來講"},{"start":3902.549,"end":3903.51,"text":"謝謝林佩祥委員現在請林國成委員發言"},{"start":3921.465,"end":3938.604,"text":"我講基本上今天這個修法當然重點我在看交通部他是依法有計一千兩百塊以下而來做這些但是我們所有的委員是考慮到有些嚴重性"},{"start":3939.545,"end":3959.304,"text":"以否的問題所以這個部分我第一個建議我第一個建議就是交通部這裡有沒有可能比較嚴重性的包括殘障包括比較非常嚴重的東西你們研究一下把它拉高划款就不再此現所以這個也是一個方法"},{"start":3960.244,"end":3981.902,"text":"至於其他如果大家沒有意見當然我沒有意見我比較支持蔡副院長齊昌他這些所有的罰單檢舉以否完完全全說實在執法當然要有一個標準可是所有違規通通交通規都說交通設計"},{"start":3983.263,"end":3996.151,"text":"你叫他不違規你就不違規可是現在的情況前審裡面不違規很難一定是違規所以我還是比較這個我們蔡其昌副院長的附帶結議這裡你們還要去檢討"},{"start":4000.013,"end":4023.572,"text":"雖然不能檢舉但是你還是要有配套方式去改進他自然你交通設施修訂好了做好了以後他違規就很明確你現在是每一個交通的設計完全都是讓人家這個違規之現況所以我建議第一個如果你們把這個"},{"start":4025.534,"end":4041.127,"text":"這麼嚴重就不是一千兩百塊把他拉高這個問題就跳脫第二個如果真的通通通過了你這個交通交通的這個工程設計一定要令地方政府盡快的去做"},{"start":4042.108,"end":4060.427,"text":"這樣的話才有辦法修法以後修法以後這個完善的配套這個部分我是建議交通部思考一下朝這兩個方向這樣的話可能會比較符合整個修法的精神以上好 謝謝現在請徐富奎委員發言"},{"start":4064.744,"end":4082.609,"text":"謝謝主席我想今天我們針對道交條例來繼續做審查那因為之前的巡查過程裡面剛剛我們幾位委員提到針對騎機車不帶安全帽跟占用身障車位這兩點我想是民間比較帶一個反彈的聲浪那這一點"},{"start":4083.57,"end":4098.648,"text":"陳友,剛剛幾位委員表達的其實這個奇蹟車代安全帽是一個對我們生命安全的一個保障那針對身障者的一個車位的佔用我想這些也會影響到我們身障者的權益那這兩點我們希望能夠做排除的一個處理"},{"start":4100.089,"end":4124.137,"text":"另外根據內政部警政署的統計交通違規事件有六成是因為違規停車造成所以今天我們蔡其昌委員跟彭商委員提出這些我想我們的表達支持因為我們的停車空間不足除了造成所謂的違規案件之外也造成所謂一個商家營運的一個問題像本期的選區裡面就有很多的商家反映"},{"start":4124.657,"end":4152.728,"text":"因為我們的停車空間不足他們連廠商卸貨都被祭奠了這個也抱怨年年所以其實我們在這個執法過程裡面應該真的要同步針對交通部要針對我們的地方政府應該針對整個玩硬體包括車格也好針對一個交通耗資的一個設置標籤的一個設置應該盡快處理要不然這個處分之後其實我想還是民意沒辦法改善"},{"start":4153.448,"end":4175.626,"text":"另外警政處的統計2023年的檢舉案件高達869萬件那這個造成我們警察同仁很大的負擔那所以這次我們在法案當中有特別提到不在民眾檢舉的一個違規事項那民眾還是可以透過報案的方式讓我們的同仁到場處理這個部分我想"},{"start":4176.747,"end":4199.344,"text":"但是警方同樣也有一些抱怨就是說這個取締100件的交通違規進一次嘉獎但是要累積300件才有第二次的嘉獎但是只要有一個重大疏失就進一次審計所以這個造成一個賞罰不公那是不是針對這部分我們交通部跟警方從一個針對相關的一個措施能夠平衡一下所謂一個獎懲的一個處理以上說明"},{"start":4202.926,"end":4216.338,"text":"基本上各個委員都已經有過發言那宏偉我們是不是等交通部做說明之後再來做第二輪的一個發言我想對於道交條例啊"},{"start":4217.776,"end":4236.984,"text":"大家都有共識就是交通安全是最高的原則但也必須兼及兼顧人民的基本生活的運作而且我們對於相關交通的耗資相關的規定相關的耗資相關的交通的"},{"start":4238.444,"end":4251.951,"text":"設施不足的狀況其實各位委員都了解認為必須督促交通部必須要盡快的一個改善所以有蔡紀昌委員所提的相關的一個提案"},{"start":4254.013,"end":4269.989,"text":"其實經過大家的討論不管是公聽會或者是在巡打的時候以及今天的相關的逐條討論都可以明確的看出交通委員會的委員認為以一千兩百元來一刀切"},{"start":4271.09,"end":4293.434,"text":"是不對的應該是以相關的風險的程度以及相關的執法的狀況來做一個衡量那這是一個原則第二剛才聽各位所言大家對於比較有共識的就是機車駕駛人或貨載坐人未依規定戴安全帽就是第31條第6項這個要維持檢舉大家都有"},{"start":4298.459,"end":4313.83,"text":"一樣的共識另外就是身心障礙專用停車位違規停車第56條第一項第10款這兩個部分大家都有一致的共識這個都要維持相關的檢舉那其他相關的討論的內容"},{"start":4315.251,"end":4328.995,"text":"不管是陳淑月委員﹖紅森漢委員﹖林俊憲委員﹖魯明哲委員﹖廖謙祥委員﹖林佩祥委員﹖林國成委員﹖徐屋葵委員都有相關的這些意見我們現在就請交通部來做統一的說明"},{"start":4336.152,"end":4351.239,"text":"報告委員會大概針對剛剛9個委員所提的相關的意見我大概這邊處於做一個說明首先整體的部分的話成為我剛剛這個主席所報告的部分裡面這次檢討限縮民眾這個不可不讓民眾檢舉的部分"},{"start":4354.941,"end":4367.145,"text":"那其中有關於未戴安全帽跟這個占用身心隔位的部分在公聽會還有4月18號相關這個專案報告的時候部長大概也表達說這兩項基本上是這個認同可以這個維持讓這個民眾來做一個檢舉"},{"start":4371.926,"end":4387.806,"text":"那接下來剛剛紅色愛委員所提到的一個部分那就是修正動議裡面委員有提到就是說針對人行道還有這個人行穿越道的部分這個為此應該讓我們做這個檢舉但是其樓這個部分排除那剛剛委員有特別提到"},{"start":4388.106,"end":4401.591,"text":"就是說修正動議的部分是針對四輪以上的汽車是不包括機車那如果說是這樣子的修正動議的話那這個原來但書這個但書裡面可能就是說要把這個機車也這個加進來因為在56條還有15條這個臨時停車那個汽車是有包含四輪以上的汽車跟這一個兩輪的這個這個機車"},{"start":4409.514,"end":4424.629,"text":"所以對所以建議如果說是朝這個方向做這個檢討的話但書可能就是但機車及這個騎樓不在這個此線這個部分大概是針對委員這邊的一個修正提案做進一點補充"},{"start":4425.51,"end":4447.494,"text":"那另外剛剛林俊炫委員跟許知潔委員所提到騎樓停車的一個部分那因為七條之一是針對未符合規定等於是違規的檢舉那騎樓可以停車有兩個層次第一個部分就是剛剛所提到有一些這個是透過標示標線騎樓已經劃了那本來就是可以停車他停車是合以規定"},{"start":4447.654,"end":4477.654,"text":"議員．"},{"start":4477.654,"end":4492.739,"text":"議員．"},{"start":4492.739,"end":4492.919,"text":"議員．答案"},{"start":4513.027,"end":4539.514,"text":"的一個工作那另外也這個報告騎樓這一塊的話確實這個呃城鄉差距會很大可能在這個臺北市或這個地方騎樓這個停車的情況這個可能不太那個但是在鄉下的部分大家自家騎樓停車那也是這一次這個就是說人行道因為人行道有包括騎樓人行道納入民眾檢體之後在鄉下地區大家這個所面臨到在自家前面這個呃這個停車"},{"start":4541.334,"end":4557.427,"text":"那一天20小時都被檢舉那這次修法就是要解決這樣子的一個這個實務上因為停車環境未真完備而衍生出來的一個課題那另外剛剛這個就是說李明哲委員所提到裡面"},{"start":4557.807,"end":4563.154,"text":"委員提到隧道的部分隧道的部分其實在55條或者是56條裡面包括圓環快車道隧道等等部分那當然"},{"start":4576.129,"end":4602.104,"text":"這個稱呼委員所提到這個是相對風險比較高但是也必須要考慮到這個民眾要檢舉這樣子的行為的話他自己本身檢舉也必須要停留住停留在那個地方相對的是更最危險像在這幾個地方的話照理講就是檢查要立即到現場去做一個這個排除所以我們會這個建議就是說這個就是說隧道的那個部分其實如果說開放民眾檢舉"},{"start":4603.405,"end":4630.422,"text":"另外是衍生出來民眾在卷起他要去收集這些相關資料的部分另外對民眾來講可能也是另外一個這個高風險的一個行為那這個廖天祥委員所提到的部分我想這個如果說是以這個洪委員所提的修正這個動議我想待會尊重這個委員會這邊的一個討論但是如果說這個繼續維持這個五十五條第一項第一款第二款"},{"start":4631.303,"end":4655.171,"text":"就是說這個相關人行道這些都還有這個交叉路口公車照顧站這些相關這個林婷跟這個吳國廷車這個檢舉的部分的話我想這幾個項目也大概就是這一次這個提案要修要修法要限縮的一個這個重點那這個數量真的是非常非常的多我想說這個建議這個各位委員可以再做一個這個"},{"start":4657.872,"end":4675.9,"text":"這個思考另外就是說林佩霞委員所提到說在七條之一可不可以針對民眾的檢舉來限縮一個這個次數等等的部分那這個部分的話我跟委員這個報告大概就是說如果說以目前這個統一出來的一個這個部分大家所講的這個檢舉檔案的部分"},{"start":4677.401,"end":4698.156,"text":"大概最多一個人一年檢舉一萬四千多件平均這個一個月一萬七以上那地域性差異也非常非常大那如果說在七條之一要去增加一個說民眾一天可以檢舉一件兩件的不過我想這個又是一個大家廣泛討論的課題可能"},{"start":4698.556,"end":4724.737,"text":"光是要決定這個次數就有點困難所以比較建議還是回到項目的一個檢討那針對林國成委員所提到的這些相關的部分我想有關於完備道路交通的部分就是縣省交通部跟各地方政府也一直做這件事情對於地方政府我們是希望在今年六月底之前"},{"start":4725.197,"end":4751.347,"text":"相關道路合理必要的這個停車提供上下客戶的一個臨庭的一個這個環境希望能夠把它做一個完成那這個部分的話我們每個兩個每兩個月都邀請這個地方政府來這個開會討論這個臺北市跟新北市我們已經這一個這一個檢核過了那在上禮拜五這個行政院大家您修到之後我們大概也把這些相關各地方政府辦理的這個情形"},{"start":4751.907,"end":4752.287,"text":"請部長來做補充說明"},{"start":4783.134,"end":4799.168,"text":"我針對騎樓再做一個說明騎樓我們這次是取消民眾檢舉但是警察還是可以去開單但是我們互以剛才林縣委所談的互以地方政府他可以比如說如果留下一名五空間他可以不執法"},{"start":4800.179,"end":4821.374,"text":" 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這個從去年執法到現在檢舉謀人上萬件 這個是什麼數字啊 我也曾經私下問過 問過那個 比較會關心檢舉的朋友 問他說 啊如果這樣 這個人要不要工作"},{"start":5102.256,"end":5115.528,"text":"這檢舉模擬他不是每天睡覺就開始執行檢舉這個事情才有辦法創造這個數字我是不知道啦 因為我不敢檢舉過 我不知道在檢舉這程序跟他要花多少時間去做多少累積達成上萬件的這個檢舉量"},{"start":5121.906,"end":5143.744,"text":"那所以我們會包括工作權嘛我們祭典的制度讓人家本來工作司機已經很辛苦了結果我們的祭典制度又導致人家連工作權都沒有了失業了全家陷入困難所以不修不行不討論不修法不行所以我們必須要很艱困的在"},{"start":5145.065,"end":5166.677,"text":"結構不是很完整的情況底下我們現行只能漸進跟合理的就我們求一個漸進跟合理啦那長遠來講台灣還是要擺脫行人地獄但是要擺脫行人地獄看起來我們要下猛要一時間要立刻讓他達成我看這個是實務上面是不可行的所以"},{"start":5167.786,"end":5187.461,"text":"待會討論無論是要不要通過行政院的版本或者洪森漢委員所提的這個版本本席都沒有很強烈的堅持至於我提的這個附帶決議剛剛林國成委員也提到了他也很認同本席的看法所以我是覺得這種結構性這種討論台灣交通這種結構性的問題或許我們也應該多下一點功夫"},{"start":5194.106,"end":5218.097,"text":"我知道交通部其實就已經開始做了但是就我所知道應該還有一些地方政府至今進度落後因為我們只能在法上面方向上面規範但怎麼去執行地方政府能不能去落實到底哪裡停車線要怎麼劃林亭這個卸貨要怎麼處理這些涉及到實際的執行面"},{"start":5219.938,"end":5240.145,"text":"那我也希望交通部再跟地方政府加把勁看要怎麼要求地方政府能夠快速的來面對所以結構性的東西趕快進行調整那我們才可以早一日擺脫行人地獄這個惡名謝謝好 蔡啟昌委員發言完畢那交通部這邊也要做補充說明嗎"},{"start":5241.657,"end":5265.018,"text":"那剛才相關的不管是黃勝岸委員、蔡吉昌委員相關的這些修正動議都有做文字的修訂那我們休息15分鐘請交通部跟相關的委員針對修法的內容以及所提出的修正動議相關的文字的修訂來做協商以及溝通現在休息15分鐘"},{"start":5267.455,"end":5267.475,"text":"議員．委員講過"},{"start":5284.168,"end":5284.789,"text":"往中請"},{"start":5317.749,"end":5319.33,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":5329.139,"end":5334.602,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":5351.169,"end":5351.89,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":5380.846,"end":5381.546,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":5417.739,"end":5423.204,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":5437.035,"end":5459.392,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":5488.307,"end":5491.049,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":5496.793,"end":5498.555,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":5514.701,"end":5529.92,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":5534.658,"end":5534.898,"text":"主席"},{"start":5554.506,"end":5555.327,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":5567.402,"end":5568.302,"text":"委員會主席委員會主席"},{"start":5595.298,"end":5596.619,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":5624.771,"end":5625.512,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":5647.223,"end":5649.385,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":5681.231,"end":5685.619,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":5697.297,"end":5706.581,"text":"市長,現在查驗5月18號的資料,你可能要請陳軍趕快跑受傷,適度的有些可能放棄,因為我看他跑緊腳就一直想說受傷沒有劇本"},{"start":5715.452,"end":5715.712,"text":"他有幾個議題"},{"start":5740.334,"end":5754.452,"text":"但是你可以啊 因為受傷分析有限時比較多的就是拿資格嘛對 我們不用特別計較就是拿資格 倒是你說假如委員還 審查委員還是說欸好 那你請 為什麼台中市剩下那麼多 到時候再"},{"start":5755.473,"end":5760.819,"text":"有幾個議題我找到回去的時候,特別真的這個議題可能要慶豐,要完整"},{"start":5771.03,"end":5772.011,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":5803.411,"end":5812.736,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":5822.489,"end":5838.097,"text":"不過我覺得還好啦,他實際面積出一些負面報告應該可以應該可以啦,區委員的應該可以啦區委員的應該可以接受啦,就遵照辦理"},{"start":5854.462,"end":5854.882,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":5885.964,"end":5905.996,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":5914.701,"end":5922.784,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":5941.135,"end":5948.476,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":5968.053,"end":5978.098,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":5998.08,"end":6021.852,"text":"議員會議員會議員會"},{"start":6023.166,"end":6042.562,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":6059.358,"end":6085.113,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":6090.435,"end":6099.633,"text":"繼續開會"},{"start":6100.502,"end":6119.016,"text":"剛才休息時間交通部與本會委員進行意見的交換有最新的一個版本已經出來請在彈幕來顯示也請林福山司長詳細的來做一個說明再請委員來表達意見"},{"start":6144.279,"end":6144.799,"text":"主席還有這個"},{"start":6148.411,"end":6171.399,"text":"各位委員剛剛就是說大家聽取各位委員的意見之後我們大概以行政院的版本跟紅色漢委員的版本做一個整理大概幾個重點的部分第一就是大家有共識的部分有關於這個第31條第6項未帶安全帽這個部分就是仍然維持讓民眾檢舉"},{"start":6172.619,"end":6180.731,"text":"那也就是這個原來第三款的部分就是第七條之一第三款的部分第31條第六項就這個為此這是第一點這個處理意見接下來這個第二點的一個部分的話就是"},{"start":6188.226,"end":6205.637,"text":"在這個第十四款的這個部分就是紅山委員所提在五十五條第一項第一款與人行道及行人穿越道這個臨時停車但機車及騎樓不在這個此線這個部分是有關於第十四款的部分那"},{"start":6206.417,"end":6228.285,"text":"第三點處理部分就是有關於不依順行這個臨時停車部分仍然維持民眾檢舉這個在這個就是新增在第15款第55條第1項第4款之不依順行方向臨時停車就是逆向行駛這個臨時停車的部分那第4點的一個部分就是有關於這個"},{"start":6230.626,"end":6254.144,"text":"原來這個就是人行道及人行穿越道不得臨時停車那自然也屬於這個不得停車的部分那第16款就是在56條第一項第一款於人行道及人行穿越道停車但機車及騎樓不在此限那也就是說這個除了騎樓之外這個人行道及人行穿越道違規停車能維持讓民眾這個檢舉但是機車不包括這個在內"},{"start":6257.486,"end":6283.282,"text":"那最後一項的部分就是有關於大家要共識的這個占用身心格位的部分就是第十七款第五十六條第一項第十款這個第五十六條第一項第十款就是占用身心障礙的停車格位能讓維持讓民眾檢舉那原來這個第二項是併排停車那本來就是這個讓民眾檢舉的項目那以上大概是整整大家剛剛這個討論的一個修正的一個這個處理"},{"start":6287.779,"end":6290.36,"text":"好,請問在座委員有沒有意見?好,請廖謙祥委員好,謝謝召委員這個剛剛當然市長有來討論但是我並沒有說我答應他這樣子的一個講法我是針對第五十五條"},{"start":6308.208,"end":6329.287,"text":"市長剛好來跟我討論第五十五條第一項第一款跟第二款那第二款的部分如果說大家都建議拿掉的話那我不會堅持這點我不會堅持但是第一款第一項的部分齊樓的部分我還是認為這個既然地方政府已經有"},{"start":6330.688,"end":6333.449,"text":"《立法院第11屆第12會期交通管理處罰條例第16條之二條文修正草案》案。"},{"start":6354.376,"end":6354.957,"text":"請洪森翰委員"},{"start":6371.516,"end":6385.814,"text":"就我的理解因為這當然建設到立法技術之所以當時在我的修正動員裡面會把7樓給放進去的部分是因為確實7樓是有城鄉差距而且地區差距很大的狀況"},{"start":6387.236,"end":6405.812,"text":"那中南部坦白說有非常非常到目前為止還有非常多車他其實是還是把7樓視為一個停車的空間雖然他不是劃合法的停車格這個狀況其實是有差所以7樓確實是爭議這是為什麼我把7樓給排除的情況但我這邊跟交通部確認一個訊息齁"},{"start":6407.774,"end":6434.349,"text":"以現在我們這樣排除的做法其實地方政府還是可以自定管理的原則的對不對所以反而我是把棋樓給包括進去可能地方政府才是沒有空間的可是我把棋樓在條文裡面給排除這個排除的做法其實地方政府還是可以在他自己的自治條例裡面或他自己的這個行政規範裡面去定定他要怎麼去管理他可能要時段分時段的管理或哪些是原則哪些是例外"},{"start":6434.949,"end":6444.216,"text":"地方政府還是有權限可以管所以這並沒有要架空或者是要覆蓋掉地方政府所有管轄的權限這部分我跟交通部再確認一下這個事情謝謝來請陳樹葉委員"},{"start":6448.974,"end":6467.346,"text":"謝謝主席就是針對這個棋樓的部分我是贊同那個洪森漢委員的這樣子的一個做法因為真的棋樓的狀況有城鄉差距而且有不同區域的一個差距你看像目前我的選區裡面就有那個民眾來陳情"},{"start":6469.087,"end":6486.51,"text":"議員．"},{"start":6487.15,"end":6511.28,"text":"結果我們幫他關心之後那警方的回覆是說他只要順向停在他的門口不要停到其樓上去說順向停的話是不算違規可是那民眾他的狀況就是說他的這個就是門面他的車子如果順向停的話他等於是他的車頭車尾就是會妨礙到隔壁鄰居的門口的出入了"},{"start":6514.941,"end":6515.221,"text":"請林俊憲委員"},{"start":6541.431,"end":6568.58,"text":"謝謝其實我們這樣的修改以後齊樓違規還是不可以只是必須要由警察來開單才可以地方政府仍然可以制定地方的管理齊樓的狀況你所謂的城鄉差距就可以由各地不同的縣市政府來處理另外除了真的齊樓有沒有違憑以外齊樓這種停車檢舉更多的就是所謂民眾對立"},{"start":6570.24,"end":6589.573,"text":"有那種惡意檢舉的齁就整天因為警方一定有相關的機率就比如這條街的檢舉他不會只有一次喔每一次這條街或一個月來給你檢舉十幾次最慘的是誰是警察啦警察就疲於奔命啦而且那個案件會非常多"},{"start":6590.743,"end":6613.642,"text":"所以我們現在不是縱容騎樓為庭而是騎樓我們就不再讓就是說是要必須要有警察開單在予以處罰那同時繼續讓地方的縣市政府就制定適合自己的一個騎樓能夠停車的一個狀況好 謝謝來 其他委員有沒有意見我們請交通部來做說明"},{"start":6616.032,"end":6635.401,"text":"呃……呃……呃……呃……"},{"start":6636.282,"end":6653.259,"text":"對對對都還是可以去那個那反而是講說如果說在這邊不排除其肉的話其實以我個人的一個這個看法大概啦所有這個包括六都除了這個臺北市之外包括新北就是說合併有一些"},{"start":6653.96,"end":6653.98,"text":"韓國瑜"},{"start":6669.037,"end":6692.174,"text":"環境未完善之前確實是一個這個我們必須要這個解決的一個這個課題那剛剛這個蘇惠文有提到就是說這個不一順行方向停車那個部分那個斜差的部分其實這個部分不一順行的部分的話最主要是路邊因為路邊都有這個車型的方向所以你那個車頭只要停的不對那個一定是這個逆向行駛到那邊所以"},{"start":6693.857,"end":6704.056,"text":"對對對那個應該是針對這個路邊的部分那如果說剛剛委員所提到可能這個自家門口騎了那個部分基本上大概沒有所謂不依順行這樣子的一個課題"},{"start":6707.132,"end":6731.202,"text":"可能你有誤解我的說法他的狀況是他的那個住家的那個門面的寬度不夠寬所以他車子如果是順向停車停在他門口就是不要斜斜停到起樓上去的話他就是會妨礙到左右鄰居的門口的出入所以他就是必須把他車子斜停到起樓上去才不會妨礙到左右鄰居的門口的出入這樣你懂嗎"},{"start":6736.476,"end":6752.244,"text":"議員）"},{"start":6753.088,"end":6773.819,"text":"我跟委員報告一下其實委員所提到的這個課題基本上是屬於騎樓違規停車的部分那所以如果說把這個騎樓違規停車這個排除這個當然騎樓如果說這個不能依歸就是說地方政府沒有去做規範他是屬於不能這個停車的部分的話他停車當然是這個違規"},{"start":6775.16,"end":6795.881,"text":"但是如果說這邊這個排除民眾檢舉那個部分的話就是由警察到場來做一個處理所以剛剛才一直這個報告就是說基本上在城鄉殺菌比較相像地方的話就是我們講的自家前騎樓停車的一個課題現在是比較嚴重的一個這個部分而且是屬於這個檢舉達人"},{"start":6798.022,"end":6816.732,"text":"檢舉最多的違規案件數所以在這次運版的一個部分是希望說能夠排除那紅山委員提案的一個部分的話大概也是有做到這個部分的考量所以才建議就是說棋樓的部分那如果說棋樓這個部分排除民眾檢舉的部分的話其實剛剛蘇貴委員所提到的部分在實務上面的這個問題就會減少非常多"},{"start":6819.912,"end":6848.079,"text":"好請問各位委員有沒有要再補充說明請問廖欣祥委員有要做補充說明嗎好那我們也尊重廖欣祥委員然後這個部分我們就先保留等一下來好請說明因為現在騎樓都有各地方政府不一樣的民情那也有各不一樣地方政府他設立允許停車跟不允許停車的一個的一個規範"},{"start":6849.266,"end":6877.585,"text":"那如果說真的要短期間內真的不建議就是要把就是造成多民怨的話那我們是不是給地方政府一個時間一年的時間那希望他把比如說因為其實現在地方政府很容易去訂一個規範比如說你現在要留150公分也可以你要留90公分也可以那或者說你檢舉檢舉的時候你警方到底怎麼去確認90還150其實這個地方政府"},{"start":6878.547,"end":6900.495,"text":"都很有他的一個裁量的空間他的一個行政．你說一個民眾檢舉一個違規停車好了那假設這個地方政府是要需要保留90公分的話那如果說你沒有辦法證明90公分的話那實際上他可能就是舉發不成立那這個其實就是端看地方政府他有沒有這個決心要來維持氣候的上空"},{"start":6901.155,"end":6918.072,"text":"那所以說我會如果說委員就是不同地方民情的話我建議我希望好這一年內好這一年內循序漸進這一年內好我們把它拿掉那我希望在一年後能夠恢復之類的我不知道這條有沒有辦法怎麼來寫這樣子"},{"start":6920.873,"end":6925.836,"text":"現在的一米五以新北來講它是化了整齊綫那這個是地方政府自己要去做的就是整齊綫化出來所以它也不會在那邊兩幾公分"},{"start":6941.323,"end":6960.06,"text":"⋯⋯⋯⋯"},{"start":6960.998,"end":6962.859,"text":"昨年修法以後騎樓被檢舉的案子很多名言很大"},{"start":6991.08,"end":6995.881,"text":"當時我們指引也給地方這樣做了,因為全國各地方都不太,連新北本身的城鄉都差很多。"},{"start":7012.348,"end":7041.013,"text":"這個部分我再跟我報告一下就是說地方對於騎樓要規定這些相關的部分都可以去做但是因為這一條是屬於這個違反規定民眾檢舉的部分那我舉個例子比如說在台北市的市中心那基本上他路外路邊都有化機車停車格位所以他可以要求機車退出這個騎樓所以他規定騎樓不能停車那只要騎樓停車民眾就可以檢舉警察就可以這個開單但是回過頭來剛剛講的一個部分城鄉這個差距"},{"start":7041.493,"end":7041.513,"text":"委員會議"},{"start":7058.143,"end":7075.048,"text":"對地方政府可以這個開放但是地方政府如果說這一個還沒有完整規劃的話就變成說違規的執法那這個希望警察機關來執法那這個如果說現在是民眾可以檢選項目就造成失誤大家的一個情況每個這個就是說"},{"start":7076.869,"end":7102.978,"text":"⋯⋯⋯⋯"},{"start":7103.398,"end":7103.898,"text":"現在處理第63條請交通部說明"},{"start":7124.268,"end":7145.784,"text":"第六十三條修正的部分的話大概有修正兩個重點那第一項的一個這個部分就是條例修正成在第二行的部分就是違反這個本條例的規定除了依規定處罰法之外然後原則上這個經當場取發然後才這個得依這個依委員長度來這個祭典"},{"start":7147.125,"end":7163.057,"text":"那原來原條文的一個部分就是包括這個進行舉報的部分都須予以記點那修正的一個部分就是說有關於這個未來有關於進行舉報那裡面進行舉報就包括這個警方的科技執法還有民眾這個檢舉之後的這個進行舉報都這個排除這個記點之外"},{"start":7168.021,"end":7190.961,"text":"那最主要是因為這個除了當場攔檢之外其他進行許可都沒辦法當場確認這個駕駛人那也造成現在實務所謂這個祭典黃牛或者是說一般民眾私下這個就是冒用不實這個駕駛人的一個這個現象那第二項修正的一個重點大概就是說原來這個一年計12點必須調扣駕駛時照2個月那"},{"start":7194.244,"end":7220.729,"text":"在原來的規定裡面是講說那一年你有兩點智慧獎期這個扣底的一個機會那考量這個實施之後那一年12點的一個這個部分那大概也有很多社會各界的一個反應所以這個建議就是說原來一年一次兩點那希望能夠增加這一次變成一年兩次然後四點這個違憲然後來這個扣底那以上大概是這兩個修正重點"},{"start":7223.91,"end":7249.796,"text":"好 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﹏﹏"},{"start":7412.99,"end":7435.918,"text":"欸這個處罰啦那那剛剛這個委員也提到就是說這個公務局是有做這些程式在做一個這個篩選但是我跟各位委員報告一個這個數目字以往大概就是每個月辦規則的大概是2到3萬件這樣子的情況但是這個從去年下半年之後辦規則的一個每個月辦規則已經快到這個10萬件"},{"start":7437.418,"end":7460.29,"text":"所以大家也這個可以想像的到這十萬件裡面大概這個大家都想說該當處罰到那個該當真正的一個這個駕駛人但是進行取發看到的一個情況可能真的裡面有太大最後還是處罰不到那個真正的一個這個駕駛人而造成但是另外造成的是這個大家不願意看到的一些這個冒名頂替或是這個不實規則的這樣子的一個情況好謝謝來民意請委員"},{"start":7468.376,"end":7486.73,"text":"剛剛市長提的我今天本來違規祭典就是要去修正他的行為才讓他如果多次發生的話就不會再有可是如果你只擔一次罰款的話大概沒有辦法造成一些嚇阻力尤其是這兩個"},{"start":7488.551,"end":7517.427,"text":"江部自己的數據都呈現說每一年這些高風險的違規行為是一直逐年在成長的那我們的傷亡率也是在成長當中怎麼沒有去考慮到這種重大違規而且它重複率非常的高才可以讓這些行為能夠不要再繼續的發生尤其闖紅燈或者是超速的話造成他人的事故也是非常高他自己的事故高以外造成他人的事故也是這麼高那所以"},{"start":7517.927,"end":7538.49,"text":" ﹏﹏"},{"start":7538.49,"end":7553.626,"text":"⋯⋯⋯"},{"start":7553.806,"end":7573.615,"text":"好 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