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"guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T09:36:51.899000+08:00","text":"我希望外交部在這件事情上要主動，不要等到體育署或運動部來找外交部溝通這件事情沒有辦法處理，才請外交部幫忙，這樣的效果就會完全不一樣。","quality":0.645},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-01-02T09:36:52.480000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T09:37:17.289000+08:00","text":"我們會主動積極，因為Team Taiwan大家都看得到，今年的巴黎奧運，還有棒球12強，運動是最能夠團結人民、最能夠走向國際，所以我們會把2028年洛杉磯奧運當作外交部的事，當作我們所有臺灣人，包括跨部會的事情一起來推動。","quality":0.832},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-01-02T09:37:17.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T09:37:35.340000+08:00","text":"針對巴黎奧運，其實我上任的時候就成立一個小組，包括宣傳面、所有的接待以及涉及到的應變，這個是我們可以看到很好的一個例子，我們會在巴黎奧運的基礎上，讓洛杉磯奧運、讓Team Taiwan更響亮。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2025-01-02T09:37:35.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T09:37:37.001000+08:00","text":"好，部長，加油！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-01-02T09:37:37.261000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T09:37:37.882000+08:00","text":"好，一起加油！","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-02T09:37:38.382000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T09:37:40.382000+08:00","text":"謝謝王義川委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-02T09:37:40.682000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T09:37:44.110571+08:00","text":"接下來請黃仁委員上臺質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}