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4）的溝通協調機制，這並不是單獨只涉及到兩岸的問題而已，這是一個世界的問題。","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-01-02T09:47:45.996000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T09:48:16.508000+08:00","text":"本席認為有兩件事，除了要鞏固我們的邦交國之外，那當然台積電是我們的護國神山，最大、最大能夠讓全球都知道臺灣的就是台積電，這就是一個概念，當然，我們認為外交部的責任很重大，重點就在於讓邦交發揮它最大的功效，這是本席要提醒部長的。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-01-02T09:48:16.928000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T09:48:16.948000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-02T09:48:17.448000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T09:48:20.305143+08:00","text":"謝謝黃仁委員，部長請回。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-02T09:48:20.605143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T09:48:24.890857+08:00","text":"接下來我們請沈伯洋委員上臺質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}