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buddy，會去溝通一下，所以目前看起來反對意見不多，而且共識很高，對美國甚至於對川普來講，增加美國就業機會也是有幫助；對臺灣證明我們跟美國之間的重要夥伴關係，其實也有外交政治上的利益，所以部長或北美司，到底這一個避免雙重課稅的議題，目前它真正的狀況、進度為何？","quality":0.908},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-01-02T10:15:33.189000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:15:34.690000+08:00","text":"有沒有可能在這一屆的美國國會完成立法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-01-02T10:15:40.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:15:43.707000+08:00","text":"很有機會，因為大家都知道它的重要性跟急迫性。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-01-02T10:15:43.707000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:15:44.929000+08:00","text":"剩沒幾天了耶！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-01-02T10:15:44.929000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:15:58.535000+08:00","text":"現在就是因為新的政府開始，包括國會開議，能不能用最簡便的程序去讓參眾兩院能夠快速來審查……","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-01-02T10:15:59.336000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:16:01.797000+08:00","text":"這有放在那個快速立法綠色通關的……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-01-02T10:16:02.998000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:16:11.403000+08:00","text":"有這個提議，當然還要再看，所以我們覺得看起來沒有反對的意見，就是怎麼樣去做立法程序。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-01-02T10:16:11.603000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:16:14.925000+08:00","text":"我們現在lobby的工作做得怎麼樣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-01-02T10:16:16.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:16:22.374000+08:00","text":"我看到的電報或者是我本身的接觸，沒有反對的意見，也都應該是越快越好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-01-02T10:16:22.434000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:16:23.835000+08:00","text":"所以部長跟北美司長有信心？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-01-02T10:16:24.796000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:16:25.296000+08:00","text":"來，北美司長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-01-02T10:16:25.296000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:16:27.677000+08:00","text":"因為這是別國在決定進度，我們不能隨便有信心。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"王司長良玉","start":"2025-01-02T10:16:27.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:16:36.663000+08:00","text":"就是我們的理解是目前這個案子還是有兩黨跨黨派支持的共識，所以在新一屆的國會開議之後，我們一定是列為我們第一要項。","quality":0.849},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-01-02T10:16:37.183000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:16:39.385000+08:00","text":"你這樣又跑到下一屆，重新重來了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王司長良玉","start":"2025-01-02T10:16:39.905000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:16:41.987000+08:00","text":"因為這一屆已經結束了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-01-02T10:16:41.987000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:16:42.987000+08:00","text":"已經結束了？","quality":0},{"speaker":"王司長良玉","start":"2025-01-02T10:16:42.447000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:16:45.049000+08:00","text":"對，所以一定是下一屆，1月份開始開議之後。","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-01-02T10:16:45.049000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:16:52.695000+08:00","text":"所以希望下一屆……我們很怕有時候到下一屆又開始丟一些新的，丟了一些條文什麼的，然後又開始討論，然後兩年又到了。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"王司長良玉","start":"2025-01-02T10:16:53.275000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:17:00.320000+08:00","text":"目前都有積極地跟兩黨的議員在溝通，看起來這個支持也都還是在這邊的。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-01-02T10:17:00.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:17:09.968000+08:00","text":"這個案子過的話，其實對我們外交部長來講，你的工具箱裡面多了一個工具，而且對川普的政策上來講，兩邊其實是互利的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-01-02T10:17:10.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:17:34.467000+08:00","text":"另外我們跟美方簽的BTA，就是臺美21世紀貿易倡議的BTA，就外交部的評估，因為川普很不喜歡FTA，他連WHO都想退出了，這一個從TIFA到美臺21世紀的貿易倡議，所謂的BTA，會不會有變數？","quality":0.988},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-01-02T10:17:36.362000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:17:46.090000+08:00","text":"因為這個是美臺21世紀貿易倡議，有12項主要分三個階段，那個階段已經通過first agreement。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-01-02T10:17:46.251000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:17:50.614000+08:00","text":"第二階段事實上3加1個項目也談得差不多，其中只有一個項目，當時還有一點還要再協商。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-01-02T10:17:56.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:18:07.992000+08:00","text":"至於新的總統上任，他對這個事情的看法，我們看他的USTR還有相關人事的布局，我們大概也有一定的判斷，都是友善，不過他的agenda是不是放在前面……","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-01-02T10:18:07.992000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:18:08.992000+08:00","text":"你不能詮釋Lighthizer是友善喔！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-01-02T10:18:08.052000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:18:08.693000+08:00","text":"因為這裡面還沒有涉及到市場准入，直接的關稅問題。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-01-02T10:18:08.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:18:09.814000+08:00","text":"坦白講這個BTA還沒有碰到所謂的關稅啦！","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-01-02T10:18:18.503000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:18:24.467000+08:00","text":"對，所以這個就是一個健全化，一個比較全面的經濟合作架構。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-01-02T10:18:24.467000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:18:25.828000+08:00","text":"我這樣詮釋對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-01-02T10:18:25.828000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:18:36.055000+08:00","text":"這一個臺美之間的BTA目前已經有了，大概沒有什麼變化，但是想要再往前進一步還有待觀察？對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-01-02T10:18:36.055000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:18:36.055000+08:00","text":"這樣詮釋對啦？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-01-02T10:18:36.996000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:18:37.917000+08:00","text":"對，但是我意思是說……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-01-02T10:18:37.917000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:18:38.917000+08:00","text":"我看他們又在……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-01-02T10:18:37.917000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:19:01.372000+08:00","text":"我們在拜登政府任內已經談到第二階段，除了一項還需要最後的協商，其他已經都有共識，因為行政部門雖然總統是新的，他們的政策的priority或agenda，我們還要再了解以外，但基本上大家對於臺美之間把21世紀貿易倡議的推動是有共識，只是說這個會拖多久……","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-01-02T10:19:01.552000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:19:36.519000+08:00","text":"其實川普政府上任之後有三個大項，一個是國土安全部對邊境的管理；一個是對外外交的政策要強化夥伴自我保衛的能力責任；第三個是經貿，經貿是他在選舉當中非常非常重要的政策，而這個經貿一個不小心有可能變保護主義，一個不小心可能會讓全球的recession提早來，所以這個我會提醒，因為你現在講的是統合外交，經貿跟外交其實要一起看。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-01-02T10:19:37.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:20:47.725000+08:00","text":"我問下一個有關呂宋經濟廊帶，呂宋經濟廊帶我聽部長提了幾次，經濟部也提了幾次，我坦白講，裡面有兩個是重中之重，一個是美國政府，一個是日本政府，美日政府跟小馬可仕政府在呂宋島，不管是四個軍事基地、不管是港口的建設、不管是造船業的進駐或者臺灣相關的石化業、發電的能源業或者是比較低階的半導體業，這整塊餅，呂宋經濟廊帶，其實這兩個captain很重要，可是我們現在面臨的是石破內閣換新的內閣了，而且它是一個minority，算是少數內閣，然後川普政府取代拜登，政權也更迭了，所以我必須請教部長，有關呂宋經濟廊帶，就你們目前的評估是未明還是繼續，還是有可能這個要drop it、要丟掉了？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-01-02T10:20:48.606000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:21:15.078000+08:00","text":"它是這樣子的，在G7的架構下，因為要對抗一帶一路，由美、日針對菲律賓有所謂的呂宋經濟廊帶計畫，包括投資還有一些建設，我們不是G7，但是我們認為可以以這個為基礎，臺灣可以扮演一些角色，而這個是平行的，至於臺灣能不能參加呂宋經濟廊帶的具體計畫，這要case by case來看，當然也要對我們有利，然後是我們能夠貢獻的。當然。","quality":0.859},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-01-02T10:21:15.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:21:16.419000+08:00","text":"應該是說，那個架構是在的，項目也已經在形成，其實從今年初到現在……","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-01-02T10:21:28.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:21:56.774000+08:00","text":"部長，呂宋島的軍事基地跟臺海安全、跟巴士海峽控管息息相關，呂宋經濟廊帶所要發展的產業跟臺灣息息相關，所以對臺灣來說，坦白講，這個比IPEF重要，它比較具體，在這麼具體的狀況下，如果因為我們重要的民主盟友內部發生變化，讓這個案子走不下去的話，我覺得我們外交部跟經貿部門有責任要去了解。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-01-02T10:21:56.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:22:08.799000+08:00","text":"這是兩個層次，我跟委員講，一個是美日菲的層次，就是呂宋經濟廊帶，但是臺菲也可以形成經濟廊帶，尤其是我們的大南方新矽谷計畫，我們跟菲律賓，尤其呂宋島又是連結臺、菲之間，我想基本上大家認為這個合作是兩利的。","quality":0.527},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-01-02T10:22:09.859000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:22:33.721000+08:00","text":"我要提醒部長，我們跟菲律賓之間的合作有風險，它的總統是一任的，換了總統之後，政策不延續，投資跟相關的保障會發生什麼樣的情形？","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-01-02T10:22:34.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:22:49.089000+08:00","text":"所以透過多邊的，特別是美、日這種G7強國建構的架構、所簽的合約，對我們臺商、對我們臺灣政府來講，保障的程度會比較高，臺菲要發展當然有另外一條路可以走。對。","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-01-02T10:22:50.309000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:22:51.809000+08:00","text":"因為我時間到了，我特別提醒……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-01-02T10:22:51.929000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:23:06.592000+08:00","text":"不過我也跟委員補充說明，我們臺美之間也有EPPD、臺美經濟繁榮夥伴對話，也就是針對第三國，我想臺美之間也都認為跟菲律賓合作是我們的重點。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-01-02T10:23:06.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:23:39.491000+08:00","text":"對，因為第一島鏈國家，現在政治上都有一些新局面，美國也有一些新局面，其實歐盟也有一些政權更迭的情形，所以當我們臺灣在發展對外經貿外交的時候，這些更迭的情形要很審慎、仔細的去觀察，而且要建立多層次的，而不是只依靠一個方向，否則一旦沒有就沒有了，我們可能努力了三、五年的東西瞬間化為泡影，這個要提醒外交部，我們希望後續也許這個部分我們可以做個專案報告，好不好？","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-01-02T10:23:39.791000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:23:44.641000+08:00","text":"好，現在行政院經濟外交工作小組也有針對這部分在進行。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-01-02T10:23:45.141000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:23:46.141000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-02T10:23:46.441000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:23:49.583857+08:00","text":"謝謝王定宇召委，謝謝部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（馬委員文君代）","start":"2025-01-02T10:23:49.883857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:23:53.312429+08:00","text":"現在請林憶君召委上臺質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}