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這個是在112年7月20號制定的這個諮詢會議的設計要點那請問到目前為止第一次開會是什麼時候"},{"start":540.646,"end":555.051,"text":"我們很快就會開那就是一年多來一次都沒有開嗎因為專案會議是持續在開啦你剛剛講的那個諮詢會議但是一年多來一次都沒開過對不對最近就會開對那就是一年多來一次都沒開最近才會開那所以你說為什麼我們的觀光會這麼慘"},{"start":562.793,"end":585.234,"text":"就是因為根本行政院也不重視我們的觀光產業要不然怎麼可能這樣的一個諮詢會議一年多了都沒開然後現在說農曆年前要開 是嗎對 那觀光業已經棲產這麼久了所以說希望秘書長能夠正視這個問題那最後再一點時間我想要請教一下就是這個霸凌的事件因為我想"},{"start":585.874,"end":599.91,"text":"今天是我們專案會議的重點就是針對你們因為事實上現在行政院已經有變成職場霸凌的重災區光媒體拼熱的就有三件就是消保處的處長公關處的處長還有秘書處的處長那當根據你們剛剛的報告裡面說兩岸是有"},{"start":608.704,"end":631.324,"text":"兩案是有這個已經立案調查了那秘書處的霸凌案則未有具體的事證剛剛你們的報告是這樣嘛那我想剛剛有一些委員也特別提到你們講說其實從12月7號這個案子發生到至今已經快一個月了那當然我們有提到說秘書處行政院會在一個月內"},{"start":632.305,"end":656.124,"text":"要求他們在一個月內提出報告不過我記得卓院長針對其他部位的霸凌案他都要求要一週內提出報告那可是呢反而是行政院院本部都要求一個月才提出報告所以這有一點 這個真的是寬宜慮己 嚴以待人的一個狀況尤其是剛剛聽到這個紐約委員有提到說針對這個部分請教民主黨什麼時候提出報告"},{"start":659.406,"end":680.743,"text":"你也講說一個月要不要兩個月那其他部會你們要求一週那結果自己院本部為什麼這麼久了還沒提出來所以人事總署已經對外確定就是一加一就是一個月然後最多可以再延一個月所以當時的院長院長提出一個禮拜嘛那只有你們說要一個月一個禮拜因為說老實話"},{"start":682.505,"end":700.182,"text":"所以我想重點 我想重點也不能都提給外部人 其實外部人我相信都很願意配合這樣的一個霸凌事件所以還是希望 因為從現在 事實上我們現在一連串的這個不管是從不倫戀 霸凌 公器私用 都發生在行政院的院本部所以還是希望我們的這個領導全國部會的行政院"},{"start":703.965,"end":720.892,"text":"一定要嚴格的來去處理這樣的問題不要讓霸凌案讓國人看到就是我們的這個讓行政院的公信力降到谷底還是希望秘書長針對這個部分能夠盡快提出不要讓我們的這個這些行政的這個人員都受到這麼大的一個壓力好的好嗎好謝謝秘書長好接下來請李博"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:33:26+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:33:27.713250+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，我們是不是請龔明鑫秘書長？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-02T10:33:27.713250+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:33:29.426500+08:00","text":"請秘書長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:33:29.426500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:33:31.139750+08:00","text":"許委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:33:31.139750+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:33:32.853000+08:00","text":"秘書長好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:33:32.853000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:33:46.981000+08:00","text":"秘書長，昨天賴清德總統的元旦總統文告裡面有特別提到立法院所通過的爭議法案，行政院有權提出覆議，請問今天行政院會對憲法訴訟法提出覆議嗎？","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:33:49.322000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:33:52.024000+08:00","text":"行政院院會的議程是有排這一項，但是要看討論的結果、決議。","quality":0.52},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:33:52.165000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:34:18.624000+08:00","text":"也就是今天已經排入議程，有可能會提出對憲法訴訟法的覆議，根據中華民國憲法第五十七條第一項第三款規定，行政院對於立法院決議之法律案，如認為有窒礙難行之處，得經總統之核可，於該決議案送達行政院十日內，移請立法院覆議。","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:34:18.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:34:28.492000+08:00","text":"請問秘書長，憲訴法約束的是憲法法庭開會和決議的人數，由現在的8人改為9人，請問有什麼爭議？","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:34:28.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:34:28.912000+08:00","text":"有什麼窒礙難行之處？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:34:32.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:35:06.304000+08:00","text":"剛剛也有其他委員提問，我個人認為因為很多院際爭議或是民眾與政府的爭議都會提到憲法法庭去，所以憲法法庭現在應該有一、兩百個案子正在審議，基本上，行政院要嘛就是被告、要嘛就是原告，所以它是不是可以運作，對我們行政部門的施政是非常重要的事情，如果憲法法庭沒有辦法運作的話，會影響到我們當事人的權利。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:35:06.324000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:35:14.212000+08:00","text":"秘書長，這個部分剛剛其實你自己都講得有點心虛，還是因為這個是賴清德總統要求的，所以你們才提出這樣的覆議？","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:35:17.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:35:20.791000+08:00","text":"沒有，我們行政院今天的院會就會提。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:35:21.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:35:27.175000+08:00","text":"對，就是剛剛講的，你說會不會通過不知道，顯然是今天會提，應該也是會提出嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:35:27.795000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:35:48.268000+08:00","text":"而且行政院對於立法院通過的法律案，本來應該依法執行，但是在憲法增修條文沒有修正之前，覆議案如果沒有通過，院長最嚴重的部分應該是要辭職，現在當然這個規定已經沒有了，所以我們現在覺得行政院對於覆議案的提出變得非常的兒戲啊！","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:35:49.929000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:35:54.553000+08:00","text":"如果這樣的話，行政院院長要不要用辭職來表達通過與否的決心呢？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:35:56.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:35:57.410000+08:00","text":"我沒有辦法幫院長回答。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:35:57.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:36:15.259000+08:00","text":"好，你可以轉達給院長，因為目前我們看到行政院都把覆議案當作兒戲，而且覆議覆上癮了，每一案只要我們立法院通過的決議，通通都要提出覆議的話，這樣對立法院來說是非常的不尊重，這是卓院長對我們立法院該有的態度嗎？","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:36:15.259000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:36:16.602000+08:00","text":"如果今天行政院院會通過提出覆議的話，那覆議……","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:36:16.602000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:36:19.666000+08:00","text":"因為以憲法訴訟法來說，真的看不出有什麼窒礙難行之處，也看不出來有什麼爭議……","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:36:19.666000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:36:20.666000+08:00","text":"我們提出覆議……","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:36:19.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:36:33.579000+08:00","text":"所以我覺得既然院會是下午會開嘛！希望……早上。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:36:35.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:36:39.042000+08:00","text":"早上開，那也希望針對這個部分，行政院應該是要懸崖勒馬，不要再提出覆議。","quality":0.613},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:36:39.042000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:37:06.960000+08:00","text":"另外，再提到行政院在12月23號有召開一個記者會，當時的發言人還有包括陳淑姿主計長也都有特別提到，財劃法修正過後，中央政府每年會減少3,753億，因此扣掉法律的義務支出之外，必須刪減28%，然後有哪些會受到影響。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:37:07.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:37:27.987000+08:00","text":"請問一下秘書長，現在內政部、客委會、經濟部、國科會等部會，我們都可以看到在它官方的臉書網站上面說要依28%比例調減預算，政府單位好像跟中央廚房一樣都在臉書上公布，請問這是不是行政院要求他們這麼做？","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:37:32.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:37:41.979000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我想各部會所要表達的是它可能的影響，對中央政府的施政終究還是會有一些影響，還是會有排擠到……","quality":0.674},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:37:43.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:37:50.083000+08:00","text":"可是剛剛也特別提到了，現在其實針對這個部分，就是今（114）年的會受到影響嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:37:50.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:37:50.444000+08:00","text":"不會嘛！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:37:50.444000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:37:51.564000+08:00","text":"今年不會。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:37:51.564000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:37:52.284000+08:00","text":"對，而且這個部分的話是在……","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:37:52.284000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:37:53.284000+08:00","text":"今年還是要尊重大院的審議結果。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:37:52.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:37:57.387000+08:00","text":"但是今年不會受到影響嘛！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:37:57.567000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:38:00.589000+08:00","text":"因為財劃法還沒有送過嘛！","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:38:00.589000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:38:01.589000+08:00","text":"看大院審議總預算的結果。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:38:00.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:38:12.195000+08:00","text":"但是你看12月23日的時候，你們行政院的發言人李慧芝說要重編，現在當然他硬拗說當時是假設性的用語……","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:38:12.195000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:38:13.195000+08:00","text":"對，假設性。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:38:13.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:38:13.856000+08:00","text":"他現在是硬拗嘛！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:38:15.136000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:38:19.219000+08:00","text":"釋放假訊息、造謠應該是今年政府打擊的重點吧？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:38:20.554000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:38:20.994000+08:00","text":"沒有啦……","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:38:21.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:38:27.798000+08:00","text":"到處都說不能詐騙，還有打詐四法通過，那這樣釋放假訊息、造謠，是不是應該……","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:38:27.798000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:38:28.798000+08:00","text":"剛剛提到的是一個假設性的說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:38:27.798000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:38:33.601000+08:00","text":"我覺得這樣的發言人不但不適任，而且也陷卓院長於不義啊！","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:38:33.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:38:35.442000+08:00","text":"所以這樣的發言人應該是要下臺喔！","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:38:37.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:39:01.749000+08:00","text":"當然針對這個部分，我想現在雖然都說114年的預算沒有重編，可是我們看到所有部會的臉書，都還是寫說如果財劃法通過之後會刪減28%的預算，所以接下來哪些案、哪些案沒有辦法通過，針對這個部分，請問秘書長，是不是可以要求他們應該要發澄清的貼文，不要再這樣誤導民眾？","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:39:03.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:39:15.989000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我想因為今年的預算已經送大會審議了，要看大會審議的結果，但是後年我們重編，如果財劃法按照現在的版本……","quality":0.82},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:39:16.209000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:39:17.229000+08:00","text":"我們現在講的是114年吧！","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:39:17.609000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:39:19.349000+08:00","text":"我們現在講的是114年，不要講到後年。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:39:19.349000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:39:20.349000+08:00","text":"今年就是114年。對啊！","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:39:20.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:39:21.550000+08:00","text":"我們現在講的就是114年的預算，沒有要重編嘛！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:39:21.550000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:39:22.550000+08:00","text":"沒有錯，我是說今年……對，沒有要重編。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:39:21.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:39:22.950000+08:00","text":"可是你們現在各部會是在造謠，說要重編……","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:39:22.950000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:39:23.950000+08:00","text":"但是長期來講，後續的確會受到一些影響。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:39:23.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:39:36.895000+08:00","text":"你可以看到現在我們有列出來的，包括國科會、包括經濟部、包括客委會，講的都是114年的預算啊！","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:39:37.395000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:39:38.416000+08:00","text":"會刪減28%啊！","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:39:39.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:39:48.441000+08:00","text":"所以接下來下午我們要審行政院的預算，那要不要照這樣的標準，先刪減28%呢？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:39:49.991000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:39:51.832000+08:00","text":"我們沒有要重編。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:39:51.832000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:40:03.100000+08:00","text":"對，沒有要重編，我覺得有這樣子的謠言，也許各部會都誤會主計長的意思、都誤會了你們發言人的意思，那是不是要求他們澄清，不要再有這樣不實的貼文？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:40:03.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:40:15.148000+08:00","text":"甚至到地方去的時候、在會勘的時候，都用這樣的方式去恐嚇人民，這是非常不應該的，希望秘書長這個部分要要求各部會，要不然就會讓我們覺得這就是行政院的命令。","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:40:16.249000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:40:40.049000+08:00","text":"另外再請教一下秘書長，有關總統在昨天元旦談話後接受媒體的提問有提到，兩岸是不是要恢復觀光旅遊的議題，總統有說希望能夠開啟觀光的協商，兩岸的觀光團是屬於跨部會的議題，也涉及國格跟國安啦！","quality":0.988},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:40:40.709000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:40:44.290000+08:00","text":"所以行政院對此應該要有上位指導的作法。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:40:45.131000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:40:50.292000+08:00","text":"請問一下，總統都已經開口要啟動協商，請問行政院會有怎麼樣的具體作為？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:40:51.052000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:40:53.533000+08:00","text":"我們能不能釋出善意，開放組團赴陸？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:40:53.733000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:41:28.594000+08:00","text":"因為事實上我們2024年入境的旅遊人數預估是1,000萬次，實際上只有785萬次；另外1到10月出境的旅客已經達到一千四百一十六萬多人，但入境的旅客只有620萬人，逆差已經來到七百九十六萬多人次，也創下歷史新高，這個逆差推估之後大概會超過7,500億，所以針對這個部分，是不是請秘書長能夠說明一下，行政院有沒有什麼具體的作為？","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:41:29.991000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:41:37.861000+08:00","text":"行政院一向的立場就是希望兩岸之間可以對等協商，因為觀光的議題來講的話，應該是它不開放他們團客到我們這邊來，所以這個就沒有辦法協商。","quality":0.869},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:41:46.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:41:49.192000+08:00","text":"其實總統已經講了，他希望說可以開啟嘛！","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:41:49.812000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:41:54.654000+08:00","text":"所以我們是不是要主動來去做這樣子的探討？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:41:54.654000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:41:55.754000+08:00","text":"我們再來跟陸委會……","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:41:55.754000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:42:05.977000+08:00","text":"剛剛講的都是陸客，可是事實上不只陸客，很多國外的觀光客來得也少，會有這樣的問題是行政院沒有掌握到，還是你們覺得這個也不重要？","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:42:06.617000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:42:09.138000+08:00","text":"因為行政院有一個叫觀光振興諮詢會議，是嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:42:10.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:42:10.938000+08:00","text":"會，會開會。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:42:10.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:42:14.162000+08:00","text":"請問一下，最近一次……這個是在112年7月20號制定的諮詢會議設置要點，請問到目前為止，第一次開會是什麼時候？","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:42:26.646000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:42:27.866000+08:00","text":"我們很快就會開……","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:42:27.966000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:42:29.627000+08:00","text":"就是一年多來一次都沒有開嘛！","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:42:29.627000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:42:30.627000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:42:29.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:42:34.148000+08:00","text":"報告委員，因為專案會議是持續在開啦！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:42:35.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:42:35.589000+08:00","text":"請問諮詢會議……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:42:35.589000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:42:36.589000+08:00","text":"剛才講的諮詢會議是有外部委員……","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:42:35.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:42:37.650000+08:00","text":"但是一年多來一次都沒開過，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:42:37.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:42:38.350000+08:00","text":"最近就會開。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:42:38.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:42:40.590000+08:00","text":"對，那就是一年多來一次都沒開，最近才會開。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:42:40.590000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:42:41.590000+08:00","text":"因為這個還要聯絡諮詢委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:42:40.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:42:52.556000+08:00","text":"所以你說為什麼我們的觀光會這麼慘，就是因為根本行政院也不重視我們的觀光產業嘛！","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:42:52.556000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:42:53.556000+08:00","text":"很重視、很重視……","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-02T10:42:52.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:42:56.160000+08:00","text":"要不然怎麼可能這樣的諮詢會議一年多了都沒開？","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄"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