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明年度怎麼通車這個就是我們最在意的問題會不會錢下放給地方之後那其他縣市有可能每個縣市都希望做軌道"},{"start":298.846,"end":307.058,"text":"那中央又要在原本的軌道的建設的補助的比例下會產生一些變化"},{"start":307.931,"end":335.848,"text":"如果明年如果按照現在才化法的規範目前來講的話明年的確會受到一些影響這樣其實就是嚴重的侵害到中央政府對於全台灣資源以及建設分佈的一個佈局的問題所以才化法嚴重侵蝕到嚴重侵害到行政院對於全台灣建設跟這個佈局的問題我覺得這個要非常的重視"},{"start":336.708,"end":363.661,"text":"所以我們支持行政院必須要用任何方式來提出救濟以利台灣的發展這樣講民主黨你同意嗎是對因為財務法本來它的意思就是要調節不同地方之間的這個盈虧嘛但是以現在的方案以現在的條文通過的話變成越有錢原來越有錢財政好的這個縣市它會越好"},{"start":364.585,"end":383.46,"text":"那原來越不好的縣市它的財政狀況就會越糟糕我相對來講如果少掉中央補助的話那這個就跟原來的意思事實上是有一點不是那麼相符在主委你過去幾年在主導的很多台灣的重大建設包含軌道建設的佈局"},{"start":385.862,"end":403.386,"text":"未來其實包含台中也好要拿中央的補助或者是台南或者是高雄也好要拿中央的軌道的補助一定都是減少但是南二都尤其台南跟高雄在這一次統籌分配"},{"start":404.331,"end":432.372,"text":"在這一次財化法的分配下分別拿到最後的兩名的補助所以對高雄跟台南來講更沒有主導軌道工程的這些主導能力還有上個禮拜院長剛來到高雄跟我們行政院包含南部服務中心都有到高雄車站來宣布高鐵難移的高雄方案裡面"},{"start":433.532,"end":453.217,"text":"嚴重都影響到行政院可支配的軌道的能力包含高鐵包含這些軌道運輸我們提出非常憂慮所以這一個財化法的未來的救濟的管道我們還是支持行政院繼續的來用窮盡所有的辦法來處理包含今年度是不是有可能提出追加預算民主黨"},{"start":456.505,"end":479.266,"text":"有沒有可能來提出追加預算就是今年的部分因為已經大院在審議預算要看那個預算的結果那如果說今年照原來我們編的部分三減的數目沒有很大的情況之下就可以照原來的計畫來進行那如果財化法那確定公告實施必須要給這些縣市三千多億的話行政院怎麼調整預算"},{"start":480.975,"end":505.627,"text":"這個就是我們因為我們還沒有收到那個來文實際上他就說不要去文啊就是要先讓你限訴法先不行啊先不能提訴訟啊沒有來文的話他就沒有生效有一天生效了假設三月生效了你開始要補助地方政府了開始要把這三千多億撥給地方政府了那你中央要原本要補助給縣市政府這些錢不夠了要不要提出追加預算"},{"start":506.292,"end":525.426,"text":"所以如果按照這樣來講的話可能包括地方政府他在預算的編列或執行上就會產生很大的困擾包括中央政府跟地方政府那一些經費原本讓地方政府來做那中央政府這一筆經費就沒有辦法再支出了是不是要朝這個方向還是都還在討論中還在討論當中因為有可能"},{"start":527.734,"end":538.91,"text":"有可能如果提了以後我們還是有可能會針對某一些我們沒有辦法執行比較漢格的部分提出復議那大家是不是有重新可以思考"},{"start":539.793,"end":562.494,"text":"最後剛剛國民黨委員有說你是不是要回去建議行政院長要不要辭職其實台灣的憲法的設計是這樣子如果行政院對於立法院提出來的這個法律案認為沒有辦法執行的時候可以提出復議如果這個提出復議在立法院之後立法院對行政院的方式是提出不信任案而不是要求行政院長辭職謝謝"},{"start":569.371,"end":570.621,"text":"接着请黄杰委员"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2025-01-02T10:45:46+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:45:47.300333+08:00","text":"謝謝，請秘書長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-02T10:45:47.300333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:45:48.600667+08:00","text":"請秘書長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:45:48.600667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:45:49.901000+08:00","text":"李委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2025-01-02T10:45:49.901000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:46:01.270000+08:00","text":"秘書長，你要先感謝主席，讓原本在2024年12月18號要審查的行政院114年度預算，今天總算可以在這邊報告。謝謝。","quality":0.756},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2025-01-02T10:46:02.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:46:24.027000+08:00","text":"而且大部分的委員也能針對那一天質詢的內容跟秘書長提出質詢，重點還是在於，他今天雖然排了這個專案報告，所以我兩個都講，如果沒有這個專案報告，今天也沒有辦法質詢這些內容。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2025-01-02T10:46:24.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:46:42.341000+08:00","text":"其實在12月18號的時候，很多國民黨委員號稱他們有回來開會質詢，他們對著對面沒有人的地方質詢，今天感謝主席讓秘書長可以在這裡實體的接受委員們的質詢，所以我在這邊很認真的質詢秘書長幾個議題。謝謝。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2025-01-02T10:46:49.663000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:47:24.340000+08:00","text":"來，幾個問題是你沒有辦法回答的，第一個，財劃法跟選罷法，財劃法是在財政委員會，選罷法是在我們內政委員會，在2024年的12月27日，分別由我們的內政委員會跟財政委員會發文給韓國瑜院長，要求延緩咨請總統宣告這兩個法，但爭議的只有一個法，就是憲訴法，它已經要咨請總統宣告了，而憲訴法咨請總統宣告的意思是什麼？","quality":0.863},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2025-01-02T10:47:24.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:47:38.686000+08:00","text":"在現在大法官只有8個名額的情況下，先把你手剁掉，也就是這8個大法官不能來處理違憲了，不能處理財劃法或選罷法可能造成的違憲，現在沒有這個法庭了。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2025-01-02T10:47:41.066000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:48:01.694000+08:00","text":"先確定這件事情之後，接下來我再來處理財劃法跟選罷法，當然財劃法裡面我有很多要質詢秘書長的；對於選罷法，有可能他有私心，因為後面還有一個案子，就是得票數加一的這個案子，內政委員會還要再等這個案子一下。","quality":0.901},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2025-01-02T10:48:02.974000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:48:44.277000+08:00","text":"至於財劃法，他就是怕我們接下來可能要針對憲法訴訟，對於立法權是不是嚴重侵害到行政權的部分，秘書長過去也是國發會的主委，主管我們臺灣非常多的重大建設，其實我上一個會期在經濟委員會質詢秘書長有關左營跟楠梓的幾項建設，我想秘書長到現在還是非常的清楚，經過這個財劃法之後，我想要請教秘書長，新台17線在2024年12月初的時候，我趕回去我的選區左營做南段第二段工程的動工。","quality":0.89},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2025-01-02T10:48:45.038000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:49:19.857000+08:00","text":"新台17線南段第二段工程，中央補助總經費一共28.04億，南段二期總經費9.96億，總共加起來中央補助的經費有將近14億，地方負擔19.9億加4億，未來在財劃法之後，被地方政府拿到很多經費之後，中央還有沒有可能這樣子補助？","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2025-01-02T10:49:21.478000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:49:28.643000+08:00","text":"當然，新台17線必須要在2026年完成通車，這會不會影響到通車的時程？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2025-01-02T10:49:28.983000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:49:30.144000+08:00","text":"這是我非常擔心的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2025-01-02T10:49:30.625000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:49:51.997000+08:00","text":"第二個，捷運紫線在去年的9月份高雄市政府送出可行性評估，接下來的綜合規劃包含楠梓交流道、鐵路立體化，這些工程其實都是秘書長在國發會主委任內核准高雄市所送出來的中央補助，未來這些經費會不會產生比例的變化？","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2025-01-02T10:49:52.277000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:49:53.197000+08:00","text":"秘書長，這個要怎麼調整？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:50:01.675000+08:00","gu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