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那政院你要告訴我啊 這樣子的結果下去之後是不是對於我們高雄未來正在進行的重大建設都會受到影響你們要告訴大家啊這也是我們高雄人民 高雄市民現在都最擔心的一件事情包括說我們現在正在興建的捷運黃線剛剛博弈委員提到的捷運紫線包括接下來的高鐵南延"},{"start":337.672,"end":363.013,"text":"這些都是攸關全國然後行經高雄的重大的軌道建設這個一定都要有中央的預算來支持啊這難道不是在跟高雄市民說高雄市民你們是次等公民嗎照這樣的財化法的版本下去就是在跟高雄的人民作對啊所以這個我是希望行政院這邊一定要馬上的試算你們的評估都太慢了"},{"start":364.284,"end":382.163,"text":"造成什麼影響難道我們人民沒有權利知道嗎我們有初步的做一些評估啦那我剛才特別提到就是說我們會針對如果這個文送到行政院我們會針對裡面真的產生自然難行之處提出一些救濟"},{"start":383.632,"end":403.844,"text":"那這個究竟我們會講得非常清楚這個事情為什麼自在難行包括您剛才提到的可能會讓比較後面軌道建設比較後面先做的已經做完了但是後面要做的包括高雄台中等等的一些情況他可能會受到一些甚至於新竹他的新軌都會受到一些影響那這個"},{"start":405.365,"end":424.341,"text":"我們不希望這樣子所以我們會提出一些救濟上的一些方法怎麼樣來做朝野怎麼樣協商更好的一個可行的一些方案出來我們還是朝著這個方向來來進行好這個要拜託秘書長因為我真的很不希望我在這邊很不希望再是"},{"start":425.502,"end":438.753,"text":"就是我也不想用譴責的啦可是就是這個才化法通過之後真的對我們南部的鄉親來說真的真的影響太大了我在這邊必須要替我們高雄的鄉親再次的請命"},{"start":439.878,"end":460.292,"text":"拜託如果還有轉圜的餘地也在這邊拜託所有的我們立法院的同事大家好好重新思考是不是有任何救濟的可能也希望政院窮盡一切的救濟手段讓這樣子的財化法真的不要照這麼惡劣的方式來上路好嗎好的好謝謝秘書長"},{"start":468.302,"end":471.06,"text":"好,那我們現在休息六分鐘"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2025-01-02T10:55:28.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:55:28.269000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝主席，我們請秘書長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-02T10:55:28.269000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:55:28.389000+08:00","text":"好，請龔秘書長。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:55:28.389000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:55:29.389000+08:00","text":"黃委員好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2025-01-02T10:55:28.469000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:55:28.489000+08:00","text":"秘書長早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2025-01-02T10:55:28.549000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:55:31.570000+08:00","text":"其實剛剛大家都在談論財劃法，這也是我今天想要關心的重點，可是我要先講一下，今天其實行政院會有在討論要針對憲訴法提出覆議，也正在討論中，對嗎？是的。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2025-01-02T10:55:31.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:55:31.970000+08:00","text":"那這個結果大概什麼時候會出來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:55:57.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:56:04.712000+08:00","text":"因為院會通常是11點結束，現在應該可能出來了。","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2025-01-02T10:56:04.712000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:56:12.595000+08:00","text":"好，當然我要在這邊表達我的支持，希望等一下院會作成的決議是會堅決的提出覆議。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2025-01-02T10:56:14.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:56:48.559000+08:00","text":"剛剛秘書長也有講到，因為行政院自己是當事人，其實不只行政院，對很多人民來說都是當事人，因為大家要知道，會提出釋憲聲請的其實有99%都是受到侵害的人民，所以現在這個憲訴法造成憲法法庭癱瘓下去，影響最大的是多數需要救濟的人民，所以不只是行政院，我相信很多人民也都希望行政院可以提出覆議，然後讓立法院重新的思考這個憲法法庭真的要繼續癱瘓下去嗎？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2025-01-02T10:56:48.559000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:56:53.202000+08:00","text":"為了要教訓執政黨，造成最後教訓到所有的人民嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2025-01-02T10:56:53.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:56:57.045000+08:00","text":"所以要拜託，我也希望等一下你們會堅決地替人民發聲，然後提出覆議，重新來審視憲訴法是不是真的要這樣提。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2025-01-02T10:57:05.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:57:38.489000+08:00","text":"再來還是要講一下財劃法，因為在財劃法通過之後，其實我看各個縣市大家都跳腳，包括剛剛有許多國民黨的委員也跑出來急著說為什麼行政院會說今年的預算有可能要重編，其實他們的重點都錯了，重點不是今年有沒有重編，而是未來每一年度的預算是不是都會因為財劃法的修正造成垂直分配跟水平分配的差別，而進行大幅的預算調整，這個是事實，對吧？","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:57:38.489000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:57:39.790000+08:00","text":"是，就是如此。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2025-01-02T10:57:39.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:58:14.792000+08:00","text":"所以我在這邊也拜託秘書長，你們在對外溝通、向社會多做說明的時候，一定要講清楚、說明白，我必須要替你們抱屈一下，因為過去在二讀的時候、之前在委員會都沒有好好討論的空間，以致於所有的行政部門，包括所有的部會、包括行政院，都沒有機會來到立法院好好表達預算分配重新調整之後會造成什麼影響，所以這也是我希望接下來行政院對外要多做溝通的部分。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2025-01-02T10:58:14.992000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:58:32.618000+08:00","text":"因為過去確實在財委會召委陳玉珍的主導之下，讓你們沒有機會去財委會好好的說明，甚至連我們高雄市的陳其邁市長特別北上來到財委會，他也沒有機會好好的說明，這個真的是非常可惜的部分。","quality":0.89},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2025-01-02T10:58:33.118000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:58:48.328000+08:00","text":"在這個法強硬三讀通過之後，到底會受到什麼影響人民是有權利知道的，所以現在各個部會在地方上積極的去表達，我覺得這是很正確的事情，對於已經可能受到的影響，難道不需要讓人民知道嗎？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2025-01-02T10:58:48.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:59:03.041000+08:00","text":"所以我在這邊還是要強烈的譴責國民黨，怎麼會跟中央搶劫之後又不准中央在地方上好好的跟大家說明，不准被搶劫的人來張揚、來好好的說明自己會受到什麼侵害呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2025-01-02T10:59:04.042000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:59:20.976000+08:00","text":"那我還是要請教一下，因為現在看起來國民黨又再一次的毀憲亂政，刻意的延宕，不讓財劃法跟選罷法送出立法院，還要請總統延緩公布，當然不知道他們什麼時候會請總統公布，到時候行政院的態度到底是什麼，有沒有機會來提出覆議呢？","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T10:59:30.714000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T11:00:04.808000+08:00","text":"報告委員，因為現在公文還沒有送到行政院，所以行政院也沒有辦法去處理這件事情，我們只能去評估以現在的方案可能會對我們的影響，就像剛才委員提到的，可能未來中長期每一年我們的預算結構到底要做怎麼樣的調整，萬一如果按照原來的版本這樣子實施的話，我們只能預做一些準備，委員剛才特別提到，可能也要把這個準備跟地方或是民眾溝通。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2025-01-02T11:00:07.342000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T11:00:12.266000+08:00","text":"秘書長，我希望你們再積極一點，什麼叫做萬一可能照現在的版本通過？","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2025-01-02T11:00:12.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T11:00:16.088000+08:00","text":"現在國民黨主導的財劃法就已經三讀通過了。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2025-01-02T11:00:16.949000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T11:00:33.762000+08:00","text":"我們高雄的鄉親都覺得非常受傷，也看不下去，他們每天都在問我，這個財劃法三讀過後、公布之後，對高雄來說竟然是全國增幅最低的，裡面沒有把人口結構放進去。","quality":0.851},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2025-01-02T11:00:34.763000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T11:00:42.054000+08:00","text":"對高雄來說，我們的土地面積這麼大，這樣的指標也沒有被放進去，對高雄來說非常、非常、非常不公平啊！","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2025-01-02T11:00:43.697000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T11:00:51.743000+08:00","text":"現在政院要告訴我，這樣的結果下去之後，是不是對我們高雄未來正在進行的重大建設都會受到影響？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2025-01-02T11:00:51.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T11:00:52.904000+08:00","text":"你們要告訴大家啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2025-01-02T11:00:53.504000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T11:01:13.719000+08:00","text":"這個是我們高雄人民、高雄市民現在最擔心的一件事情，包括我們現在正在興建的捷運黃線，剛剛柏毅委員提到的捷運紫線，包括接下來的高鐵南延，這些都是攸關全國、行經高雄的重大軌道建設，這個一定都要有中央的預算支持啊！","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2025-01-02T11:01:15.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T11:01:19.904000+08:00","text":"這樣難道不是在跟高雄市民說，高雄市民是次等公民嗎？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2025-01-02T11:01:19.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T11:01:24.087000+08:00","text":"照這個財劃法的版本下去做，就是在跟高雄的人民作對啊！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2025-01-02T11:01:24.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T11:01:36.649000+08:00","text":"所以我希望行政院一定要馬上試算，你們的評估都太慢了，會造成什麼影響，難道我們人民沒有權利知道嗎？","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T11:01:36.649000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T11:01:38.290000+08:00","text":"我們有初步地做一些評估啦！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"龔秘書長明鑫","start":"2025-01-02T11:01:39.292000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T11:02:27.397000+08:00","text":"我剛剛特別提到的是，如果這個文送到行政院，我們會針對裡面真的產生窒礙難行之處提出一些救濟，這個救濟我們會講得非常清楚，這個事情為什麼窒礙難行，包括您剛才提到的，可能會讓軌道建設比較後面……先做的已經做完了，但是後面要做的，包括高雄、臺中等等的一些情況可能會受到一些……甚至於是新竹的輕軌都會受到一些影響，我們不希望這樣，所以我們會提出一些救濟上的方法，怎麼樣讓朝野做一些協商，會有更好的可行方案出來，我們還是朝著這個方向來進行。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2025-01-02T11:02:27.957000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T11:02:48.579000+08:00","text":"好，這個要拜託秘書長，因為我在這邊真的很不希望……我也不想用譴責的，可是這個財劃法通過之後，對我們南部的鄉親來說真的、真的影響太大了，我在這邊必須替我們高雄的鄉親再次請命。拜託！","quality":0.937},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2025-01-02T11:02:48.579000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T11:03:08.212000+08:00","text":"如果還有轉圜的餘地，也在這邊拜託所有立法院的同事，大家好好地重新思考是不是有任何救濟的可能，也希望政院窮盡一切的救濟手段，讓這樣子的財劃法真的不要照這麼惡劣的方式上路好嗎？好的。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2025-01-02T11:03:08.232000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T11:03:08.292000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝秘書長。謝謝。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-02T11:03:17.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T11:03:19.060000+08:00","text":"現在休息6分鐘。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-02T11:03:19.560000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T11:03:20.702857+08:00","text":"休息（11時3分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-02T11:03:21.002857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T11:03:22.717143+08:00","text":"繼續開會（11時13分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-02T11:03:23.017143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T11:03:24.731429+08:00","text":"我們繼續開會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-02T11:03:25.031429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T11:03:27.602857+08:00","text":"接下來請葉元之委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}