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你也不是文化部一個勞動部拍片要耗資一千萬"},{"start":254.827,"end":278.805,"text":"是拍什麼啊?拍小電影啊?所以那個跟完說明我們其實也有在檢討說有一些可能他可能是需要有需要的工作,但凱德的規格是不是合宜?另外一個,好我時間有限,部長我們進行下一個另外一個是你們的整個基金管理一團糟你們現在自己設定了一個門檻五千萬以上的計畫"},{"start":280.166,"end":303.343,"text":"才要去查核查核的比例佔你總基金的預算只有兩成多這是審計部的報告直指你們的整個管控的覆蓋率太少了完全不足這麼少的一個覆蓋率多數都是你勞動部說了算包括我前面指出來的你這一些製作影片的錢"},{"start":304.324,"end":326.639,"text":"加起來每一年沒有超過五千萬所以根本不用送這一個審核所以只要部長拍板就可以這其實並不是只要送審核啦簡單來說審議部這個報告是指其實我們還有在另外設一個內控的機制你們內控機制也沒有發揮功能啊所以內控機制裡面是五千萬以上"},{"start":327.499,"end":346.938,"text":"雙重的不足嘛第一個你設了一個高門檻審計部的報告直指你這個五千萬其實是不合理的嘛我們審理的公務預算一百萬幾十萬在立法院裡面每一筆委員直指細細的審結果到了你的救安基金五千萬以下的通通不用審啊"},{"start":347.659,"end":367.31,"text":"跟委員說明並不是五千萬以...你有說委員會審嗎沒有啊這個指的其實也不是委員會這個指的是我們在另外設了一個內控的機制我知道再去做事前事後的把關所以我們現在會接下來會要來提出了強化把關的機制裡面"},{"start":368.01,"end":396.469,"text":"也會針對事前的審查的強化甚至事後的集合來做強化的把關這事情也在我們強化把關機制的方案裡面好你這個問題真的很大難怪這個弊端重生那所以我在這邊就具體的訴求拒絕勞動部的小金庫現在就要修正救安基金管理機制而部長你答應大家你當時允諾是一個月之後你會提其實時間差不多了"},{"start":398.871,"end":411.939,"text":"我們一定會在一個月內提出就是一月到了呢對我們一定會在一個月內一定會提出什麼時候你告訴大家我先告訴你我的訴求我不知道你的改革內容有沒有比照這個第一個"},{"start":413.34,"end":415.821,"text":"你的媒體宣傳費用大家剛剛已經聽到了勞動部跟衛福部天差地遠所以沒宣費用如果編到公務預算立法院逐筆審查就不會有你們這樣子浮邊爛邊的一個情況未來你的沒宣費是不是應該回歸公務預算來編列"},{"start":432.032,"end":451.981,"text":"跟委員說明確實勞動部過去長期以來我們確實存在著我們其實有很多的經費的使用我覺得是過度依賴救安基金的狀況那這部分我覺得我們也會來跟行政院跟主計來爭取應該該回到公務預算的部分這部分我們會來跟行政院來爭取這件事情"},{"start":456.783,"end":474.064,"text":"另外一個你們自己自設的五千萬以上計劃你的那個審核的門檻要不要下修跟文說明並不是五千萬才需要審核好像五千萬以下怎樣做都可以不是我們會在這個相關的計劃的用途上面做出更明確的把關"},{"start":476.928,"end":492.906,"text":"我們幾個強化機制上面幾個大的方向第一個用途上面會做出明確的把關跟範定再來是一個在管理跟審查的機制要強化這裡面可能包括事前跟事後再來一個事情是關於資訊的部分"},{"start":493.487,"end":509.442,"text":"那我說這幾個我剛剛看了委員其實提到的部分我覺得我們當然可以來考慮就是說我們因為我們現在是設了一個內控的機制是不是一定是只能五千萬有沒有可能下修這部分我們是可以我們可以但並不是五千萬以下完全不用審查並不是這個意思"},{"start":510.503,"end":530.143,"text":"所以我要求你們每一項計畫,其實是使用救安基金,你的預算要想使編列,審計單位才可以監管。這都是我們接下來希望的方向。如果是公開透明,你們就應該要做到這樣。當然,這都是我們希望的方向。那你什麼時候,你要告訴大家你這個審核機制,什麼時候要公布?一個月真的快到了,部長。其實應該就是這個禮拜。"},{"start":532.093,"end":556.73,"text":"就是這禮拜 禮拜五前公佈應該就是這禮拜好 禮拜五前公佈 對好 那另外一個我要問的是麥當勞打工少女輕生事件是這個事件其實凸顯最嚴重的是我們未成年人他打工的時候他可能對於自己的保護力是不足所以就更需要政府的機制來強化我們來保障他但是這個個案我們看了真的非常遺憾他是在麥當勞這麼大的一個"},{"start":558.992,"end":574.429,"text":"企業體系裡面還發生他從性騷到被性侵這當中沒有得到一個適當的政府的力量的介入跟幫忙那我要問部長的是其實現在16到18歲打工的情況還是是有的"},{"start":575.329,"end":589.319,"text":"那怎麼樣去確保這些未成年人16到18歲他們在職場是安全的你在今年的勞檢專案裡面你會不會針對這些未成年人他的職場安全你們有一個專案的勞檢計畫會不會去推動"},{"start":591.66,"end":613.827,"text":"跟委員說明我們其實已經在規劃114年的專案勞檢裡面我們會擴大尤其是針對這個職場的性騷擾他的防治尤其是要提供可能假設被害人他一些心理諮商等等等事後這次也就是這次麥當勞沒有做到的事情我們會把它列為我們在114年的專案勞檢擴大專案勞檢裡面的重點項目"},{"start":616.588,"end":634.208,"text":"對 我要求的是特別針對他有僱用16到18歲的這個企業場域當然 甚至我們都還希望未來在這個年輕人上面的勞動教育都必須要再加強因為你讓他們有相關的勞動意識相關的權利意識我覺得這也是非常重要的事情"},{"start":634.448,"end":651.501,"text":"好 因為我覺得這個職場安全企業負起這個責任其實是蠻重要特別針對未成年人的保護我希望勞動部 這個洪部長你一直也很關心弱勢這些未成年人我希望你可以再花更多當然 我也打工過好 謝謝謝謝王委員 謝謝部長接下來請蘇清泉質詢"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:42:53.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:42:53.741000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:42:56.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:42:57.906000+08:00","text":"我們先請勞動部洪部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T10:42:57.906000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:43:05.864000+08:00","text":"王委員好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:43:05.864000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:43:11.707000+08:00","text":"部長，我先請問你，就安基金的審計部報告，你自己有沒有看過？有。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:43:11.907000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:43:12.087000+08:00","text":"有，是不是？對。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:43:13.108000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:43:52.730000+08:00","text":"好，我要先跟你討論就安基金的問題，審計部已經證實，這5,174萬就安基金的編列是使用不當的，而這當中我們可以看到，光是媒體宣導費用就高達3,784萬，占整體的七成三，也就是勞動部把你們的媒宣費用，除了公務預算有編列一部分之外，多數你通通都用就安基金來使用，而審計部直指你們是使用不當！","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:43:53.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:44:00.234000+08:00","text":"上次質詢的時候，我就問許銘春演唱會的經費從哪裡來，是從你們媒體的這個預算裡面來的，你們當時還告訴我這是開口合約，沒有問題。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:44:00.234000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:44:01.235000+08:00","text":"審計部的報告就告訴你，你們名目都不符，很有問題，違法使用。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:44:01.275000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:44:02.235000+08:00","text":"部長，這個部分你們要怎麼改進？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T10:44:20.487000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:44:28.939000+08:00","text":"跟王委員報告，審計部的報告我們都讀過了，我覺得裡面有分幾個部分的層次，審計部在……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:44:28.979000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:44:33.825000+08:00","text":"你有沒有覺得你們的開口合約有問題，你們的預算編列不夠精確？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T10:44:33.825000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:44:52.335000+08:00","text":"先跟委員報告，審計部裡面確實有提到開口合約的問題，這部分關於履約管理，也包括其實有一些後續的稽核部分，目前我們已經請同仁進行相關檢討，我們也不排除未來當然要調整作法。","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:44:52.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:44:59.739000+08:00","text":"好，我就告訴大家，勞動部完全是花錢如流水，毫不手軟！","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:44:59.739000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:45:04.485000+08:00","text":"他們製作一部勞動節主題影片，你知道嗎？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:45:04.826000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:45:16.193000+08:00","text":"這3年來他們花了2,800萬元，一支影片的費用在1,000萬到800萬元之間，平均是900萬元！","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:45:16.673000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:45:18.773000+08:00","text":"衛福部邱泰源部長，麻煩你上來一下。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:45:19.453000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:45:27.075000+08:00","text":"我要問一下衛福部，請問在你們的預算編列裡面，有關媒體宣導的部分，製作一支影片要花多少錢？嗯……","quality":0.61},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:45:34.227000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:45:36.029000+08:00","text":"下面的司長趕快去救駕啊！","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:45:36.029000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:45:37.671000+08:00","text":"你們自己都有編列預算啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:45:37.851000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:45:41.095000+08:00","text":"保護司，你們做一支影片平均要花多少錢？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:45:41.095000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:45:43.457000+08:00","text":"人家勞動部是1,000萬到800萬元的規格。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:45:44.338000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:45:45.900000+08:00","text":"請問你們衛福部要多少錢？","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"張司長秀鴛","start":"2025-01-02T10:45:46.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:45:49.103000+08:00","text":"第一個是要看秒數，第二個是看用什麼方式……","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:45:49.504000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:45:50.625000+08:00","text":"你們做過最貴的是多少錢？","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"張司長秀鴛","start":"2025-01-02T10:45:52.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:45:54.127000+08:00","text":"90萬元左右是有的啦！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:45:54.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:45:56.048000+08:00","text":"就是不到100萬元對不對？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:45:56.048000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:45:59.110000+08:00","text":"我自己知道的大概也是這種規格。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:45:59.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:45:59.910000+08:00","text":"好，兩位請回座。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:46:00.931000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:46:12.677000+08:00","text":"洪部長，我就是要讓你看到，勞動部有這樣一個就業基金的小金庫，你們的媒體預算遠高於其他部會，一支影片竟然耗資1,000萬到800萬元，是怎麼做的？","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:46:17.461000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:46:18.182000+08:00","text":"你有沒有去查？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:46:18.362000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:46:20.204000+08:00","text":"你上任之後知不知道這樣的情況？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:46:20.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:46:22.186000+08:00","text":"明年是不是繼續這樣子編？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T10:46:22.186000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:46:28.053000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，我剛剛說審計部的報告裡面其實提到好幾個層次的指正……","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:46:31.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:46:32.002000+08:00","text":"這個要不要檢討？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:46:32.002000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:46:32.762000+08:00","text":"你直接回答就好。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T10:46:33.483000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:46:33.943000+08:00","text":"這當然要檢討……","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:46:33.943000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:46:38.383000+08:00","text":"所以勞動部明年不會出現這種800萬元等級的影片了？","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T10:46:38.724000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:46:42.444000+08:00","text":"我覺得還是要看採購的規格是否合宜。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T10:46:43.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:46:50.326000+08:00","text":"我們現在在講的這個問題是關於採購規格合宜度的狀況，我們確實有看到過去的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:46:50.726000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:46:52.766000+08:00","text":"部會不是要拍電影，你們也不是文化部！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:46:53.746000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:46:58.327000+08:00","text":"勞動部拍一部片要耗資1,000萬元，是拍什麼啊？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:46:58.528000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:46:59.188000+08:00","text":"拍小電影啊？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T10:46:59.548000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:47:09.696000+08:00","text":"跟王委員說明，所以其實我們也有在檢討，有一些它可能是有需要的工作，但採購的規格是否合宜……","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:47:09.696000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:47:10.696000+08:00","text":"這個我要求一定要檢討！","quality":0.1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:47:10.657000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:47:12.818000+08:00","text":"我的時間有限，現在要進入下一個問題。","quality":0.562},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:47:12.818000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:47:16.861000+08:00","text":"另外一個是你們的整個基金管理一團糟！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:47:18.042000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:47:29.010000+08:00","text":"你們自己設定了一個門檻，規定5,000萬元以上的計畫才要查核，查核的比例只占基金年度預算的兩成多。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:47:30.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:47:37.337000+08:00","text":"審計部的報告直指你們整個管控的覆蓋率太少了、完全不足！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:47:38.397000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:47:42.180000+08:00","text":"因為覆蓋率這麼少，多數都是你們勞動部說了算！","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:47:42.861000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:47:57.050000+08:00","text":"包括我前面指出來的，這些製作影片的錢加起來每年沒有超過5,000萬元，所以根本不用送審核，也就是只要部長拍板就可以了。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T10:47:58.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:48:04.375000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，這其實並不是只要送審核，簡單來說，審計部這個報告是指我們還有另外設一個內控的機制……","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:48:04.655000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:48:07.077000+08:00","text":"你們的內控機制也沒有發揮功能啊！","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T10:48:07.397000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:48:09.619000+08:00","text":"對，所以內控機制裡面是5,000萬元以上……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:48:10.499000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:48:11.380000+08:00","text":"你們是雙重不足嘛！","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:48:11.721000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:48:17.446000+08:00","text":"第一，你們設了一個高門檻，審計部的報告直指你們這個5,000萬元的門檻其實是不合理的嘛！","quality":0.811},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:48:18.467000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:48:29.918000+08:00","text":"我們審你們的公務預算，100萬元、幾十萬元，在立法院裡面，每筆預算委員都仔仔細細地審，結果到了你們的就安基金，5,000萬元以下的統統不用審啊！","quality":0.724},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T10:48:30.659000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:48:32.760000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，並不是5,000萬元以下……","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:48:32.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:48:33.801000+08:00","text":"你們有送委員會審嗎？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:48:33.801000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:48:35.882000+08:00","text":"沒有啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T10:48:36.722000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:48:42.145000+08:00","text":"這個指的其實也不是委員會，這個指的是我們再另外設了一個內控的機制……","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:48:42.325000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:48:42.565000+08:00","text":"我知道。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T10:48:42.746000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:48:45.667000+08:00","text":"再去做事前事後的把關。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T10:48:45.667000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:49:01.377000+08:00","text":"所以我們接下來會提出強化把關的機制，在那裡面也會針對事前審查予以強化，甚至還有事後的稽核來做強化的把關，這些也在我們強化把關機制的方案裡面。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:49:01.817000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:49:15.226000+08:00","text":"好，你們這個問題真的很大，難怪弊端叢生，所以我在這邊的具體訴求是：拒絕勞動部的小金庫，現在就要修正就安基金管理機制。","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:49:15.667000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:49:19.449000+08:00","text":"部長當時答應大家，允諾說一個月之後就會提，其實時間已經差不多了，你提了沒？","quality":0.697},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T10:49:21.871000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:49:23.151000+08:00","text":"我們一定會在一個月內提出。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:49:24.052000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:49:24.472000+08:00","text":"現在1月到了耶！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T10:49:25.273000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:49:27.214000+08:00","text":"我們一定會在一個月內提出。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:49:27.414000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:49:27.835000+08:00","text":"什麼時候？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:49:28.435000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:49:29.095000+08:00","text":"你告訴大家！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:49:29.596000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:49:38.801000+08:00","text":"我先告訴你我的訴求，我不知道你的改革內容有沒有比照這個：第一是你們的媒體宣傳費用，大家剛剛已經聽到了，勞動部跟衛福部天差地別，所以，媒宣費用如果編到公務預算，立法院逐筆審查，就不會有你們這樣浮編、濫編的情況，未來你們的媒宣費是不是應該回歸到公務預算來編列？","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T10:49:55.032000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:50:14.581000+08:00","text":"跟王委員說明，我覺得勞動部長期以來確實存在很多經費使用過度依賴就安基金的狀況，這部分我們會來跟行政院主計總處爭取，該回到公務預算的部分……","quality":0.703},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:50:14.581000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:50:16.315000+08:00","text":"就要回歸到公務預算！","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:50:16.315000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:50:18.049000+08:00","text":"其他部會都是這樣做的啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T10:50:18.049000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:50:19.783000+08:00","text":"該回到公務預算的部分要回到公務預算，這件事情我們會跟行政院爭取。","quality":0.133},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:50:19.783000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:50:25.049000+08:00","text":"好，另外一個是你們自設的5,000萬元的計畫審核門檻要不要下修？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T10:50:25.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:50:30.356000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，並不是5,000萬元才需要審核，好像5,000萬元以下怎樣做都可以。不是！","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T10:50:31.297000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:50:37.064000+08:00","text":"我們會在相關計畫的用途上面做出更明確的把關。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T10:50:39.928000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:50:55.886000+08:00","text":"我們的強化機制有幾個大的方向：第一個，用途上面會做出明確的把關跟範定；其次是管理跟審查的機制要強化，這裡面可能包括事前和事後；再來是關於資訊的部分。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T10:50:58.149000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:51:07.918000+08:00","text":"我剛剛看了委員提到的部分，我覺得我們當然可以來考慮，因為我們現在是設了一個內控機制，是不是一定只能是5,000萬元，有沒有可能下修？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T10:51:08.258000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:51:12.422000+08:00","text":"這部分我們可以檢討，但並不是5,000萬元以下完全不用審查，並不是這個意思！","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:51:13.503000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:51:20.970000+08:00","text":"所以我要求你們每一項計畫，即使是使用就安基金，預算都要翔實編列，審計單位才可以監管。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T10:51:21.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:51:21.871000+08:00","text":"是，這都是我們接下來希望的方向。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:51:22.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:51:23.993000+08:00","text":"如果是公開透明，你們就應該做到這樣。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T10:51:23.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:51:25.155000+08:00","text":"當然，這都是我們希望的方向。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:51:25.155000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T10:51:26.436000+08:00","text":"好，我要求立刻修正。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:51:26.436000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:51:30.440000+08:00","text":"那你什麼時候要公布這個審核機制？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:51:31.381000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:51:32.842000+08:00","text":"一個月真的快到了，部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T10:51:32.842000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:51:33.123000+08:00","text":"其實應該就是這個禮拜。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:51:35.713000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:51:36.194000+08:00","text":"禮拜五以前公布？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T10:51:36.974000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:51:37.395000+08:00","text":"應該就是這禮拜。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:51:37.675000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:51:39.756000+08:00","text":"好，禮拜五以前公布。對。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:51:40.597000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:51:56.488000+08:00","text":"我要問的另外一個是麥當勞打工少女輕生事件，這個事件凸顯最嚴重的是，未成年人打工的時候，對於自己的保護力可能是不足的，所以就更需要政府的機制來強化，由我們來保障他。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:51:56.988000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:52:03.774000+08:00","text":"但是這個個案我們看了真的非常遺憾，在麥當勞這麼大的企業體系裡面還發生這樣的事情！","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:52:04.214000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:52:11.362000+08:00","text":"他從被性騷到被性侵，這當中都沒有得到政府力量的適當介入和幫忙！","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:52:11.943000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:52:17.408000+08:00","text":"我要問部長的是，其實現在16歲到18歲打工的情況還是有的……很多。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:52:18.529000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:52:23.253000+08:00","text":"怎麼樣去確保這些16歲到18歲的未成年人在職場是安全的？","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:52:23.713000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:52:31.918000+08:00","text":"你在今年的勞檢專案裡面會不會針對這些未成年人的職場安全提出一個專案勞檢計畫？","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:52:31.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:52:32.319000+08:00","text":"會不會去推動？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T10:52:35.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:52:59.588000+08:00","text":"我們其實已經規劃在114年的專案勞檢裡面，擴大針對尤其是職場的性騷擾防治，提供被害人的心理諮商等等，也就是這次麥當勞沒有做到的事情，我們會把它列為114年擴大專案勞檢的重點項目。對！","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:52:59.588000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:53:05.215000+08:00","text":"我要求的是特別針對有僱用16歲到18歲未成年人的企業場域，應該將其排在更優先。當然！","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T10:53:05.435000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:53:17.188000+08:00","text":"甚至我們都還希望未來對於年輕人的勞動教育都必須加強，讓他們有相關的勞動權利意識，我覺得也是非常重要的事情。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:53:17.448000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:53:30.998000+08:00","text":"好，因為我覺得讓企業負起職場安全的責任其實滿重要的，特別是針對未成年人的保護，洪部長也一直都很關心弱勢，對於這些未成年人，我希望你可以花更多心力。","quality":0.776},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T10:53:31.118000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:53:32.900000+08:00","text":"當然，我也打工過。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2025-01-02T10:53:32.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:53:33.400000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-02T10:53:33.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:53:34.341000+08:00","text":"謝謝王委員，謝謝部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席（王委員育敏代）","start":"2025-01-02T10:53:34.441000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T10:53:34.481000+08:00","text":"請蘇清泉委員。","quality":0.667}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}