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但他還是在他那個框架裡面那可是確實現在我說現在的法規法規現在是在那但我們很願意跟考試院一起來討論"},{"start":386.465,"end":410.684,"text":"所以你這邊可以承諾你可以至少從勞動部的立場可以去跟考試院來做一個協商因為現在這種聲音越來越大我們把我們相關的專業讓考試院知道那我們是願意跟考試院來討論的好我希望說勞動部能夠也本與你們專業來呼應呼應這些基層公務員的聲音好不好好謝謝謝謝王委員謝謝部長"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2025-01-02T12:23:58.798000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:24:09.821000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，我請勞動部部長、衛福部部長，以及臺大醫院吳院長。部長。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T12:24:16.179000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:24:16.179000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2025-01-02T12:24:16.439000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:24:34.033000+08:00","text":"兩位部長跟院長，先延續一下剛剛黃秀芳委員所提到的，事實上，現在很多中重度的家庭就已經搶不到工，或者好不容易搶到外籍的看護，但很快他們就移出了。","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2025-01-02T12:24:34.173000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:24:38.616000+08:00","text":"這個事實上我們已經召開多次的公聽會，但是衛福部、勞動部都沒有辦法幫他們解決。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2025-01-02T12:24:42.599000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:24:51.343000+08:00","text":"不要以這些問題，現在意圖嫁禍給長者，說他們可以免巴氏量表，他們在搶工。","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2025-01-02T12:24:51.803000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:24:59.607000+08:00","text":"我要講，這些問題現在就存在，請問一下，現在我們八十歲以上有免巴氏量表嗎？","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2025-01-02T12:24:59.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:25:06.210000+08:00","text":"所以政府該做的事情，不要把責任推給八十歲以上的長者。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2025-01-02T12:25:07.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:25:18.801000+08:00","text":"我今天的重點是，最近我們討論到臺大出現狼醫，我要特別說，事實上這件事之前經過媒體報導，後來我們在黨團也召開記者會，希望臺大醫院能夠提出說明。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2025-01-02T12:25:27.951000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:25:41.465000+08:00","text":"因為這個C教授，事實上又轉往其他的醫院繼續執業，而這家醫院竟然對外說他不做內診。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2025-01-02T12:25:41.465000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:25:44.829000+08:00","text":"一個婦科不做內診，不曉得他要做什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2025-01-02T12:25:44.829000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:25:46.511000+08:00","text":"所以大家覺得不可思議。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2025-01-02T12:25:47.852000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:26:00.063000+08:00","text":"但是現在看起來，醫師公會全國聯合會去問臺大，臺大才說確定他有性騷，而且會給予處分。","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2025-01-02T12:26:01.885000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:26:11.874000+08:00","text":"問題是他原來就轉往其他醫院，但是我們現在知道，因為這件事情被鬧大了，所以在另外一家醫院才做了處置。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2025-01-02T12:26:13.695000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:26:28.181000+08:00","text":"事實上，臺大的狼醫也不是只有這一宗，因為最近還發生，也是一個婦癌的教授，涉嫌下藥性侵藥廠的女業務。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2025-01-02T12:26:28.341000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:26:46.470000+08:00","text":"我要講的是，臺大醫院在國內信譽卓著，但是一再發生這樣的狼醫事件，而性騷之後又以種種理由，不願意對外證實。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2025-01-02T12:26:46.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:26:56.016000+08:00","text":"立法院去瞭解，臺大醫院也可以用很多理由說不予證實，說這個怎麼會造成困擾等等一大堆。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2025-01-02T12:26:57.057000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:27:07.124000+08:00","text":"所以我想請問一下衛福部跟臺大醫院，未來對這些性騷事件的調查，你們有沒有一套能夠確立的SOP？","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2025-01-02T12:27:08.398000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:27:09.519000+08:00","text":"先請部長回答。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T12:27:10.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:27:31.838000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員，我想性騷事件就是依照性平三法去執行，縣市衛生局也有審議委員會，等結果出來，如果事件的嚴重度到達可能要廢照的程度，那會送衛福部，這一套程序是很完整的。","quality":0.764},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2025-01-02T12:27:32.818000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:27:40.641000+08:00","text":"這個SOP一定要建立起來，不要每個case不一樣，不要因為他的後台不一樣而有不同的處理。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2025-01-02T12:27:41.641000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:27:59.728000+08:00","text":"因為我的發言時間很有限，再請問部長一個問題，很多民團都要求衛福部應該比照兒虐事件處理，如果狼師可以在地方教育局的網站上公布，請問狼醫應不應該公布？","quality":0.779},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T12:28:00.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:28:01.950000+08:00","text":"我這幾天都有針對這個問題回答，我們可以研議建置平台來公布。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2025-01-02T12:28:01.970000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:28:02.070000+08:00","text":"研議多久？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T12:28:02.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:28:21.848000+08:00","text":"今天已經答應邱鎮軍委員說三個月。","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2025-01-02T12:28:21.848000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:28:21.868000+08:00","text":"三個月？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2025-01-02T12:28:21.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:28:23.249000+08:00","text":"也就是在3月底之前？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T12:28:23.249000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T12:28:24.249000+08:00","text":"今天的附帶決議也有通過。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2025-01-02T12:28:23.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:28:23.930000+08:00","text":"儘快好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2025-01-02T12:28:24.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:28:25.110000+08:00","text":"還要搞三個月，非常久。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T12:28:25.110000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T12:28:26.110000+08:00","text":"如果能夠快一點，我們儘量快一點。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2025-01-02T12:28:25.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:29:12.961000+08:00","text":"讓我再多問一個問題，請教勞動部部長，現在在公務機關裡面，不管是霸凌尤其是最近的霸凌事件，大家並不相信公務機關內的處理，所以已經有很多公務部門的一些基層團體提出呼籲，希望公務員能夠適用職安法，也就是說如果他發生事件，他可以請相關機關，比如說縣市的勞動局來處理、申訴、調查，因為我們現在的公務體系事實上是不被信任的。","quality":0.776},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2025-01-02T12:29:13.621000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:29:19.165000+08:00","text":"在這個部分，請問部長，對於他們的呼籲你可以進行研究嗎？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T12:29:21.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:29:36.518000+08:00","text":"跟王委員說明，現在在職安法裡確實主要是針對一般的勞工，而公務員其實也有一套自己的公務法規，主管這部分的是考試院。","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2025-01-02T12:29:37.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:29:40.840000+08:00","text":"我們會來問其他的部會，但是就勞動部的立場呢？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T12:29:40.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:30:00.627000+08:00","text":"從勞動部的立場來說，我們當然願意跟考試院一起來討論，比如關於職場的不法侵害或者是未來職場霸凌的防止，包括我們職安署，在這段時間其實也做了不少專業上面的研擬。","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T12:30:00.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:30:10.514000+08:00","text":"就我知道的，好像考試院這邊也想要對相關法規進行修訂。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2025-01-02T12:30:10.514000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:30:13.357000+08:00","text":"但它還是在那個框架裡面。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T12:30:15.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:30:19.604000+08:00","text":"對，現在的法規確實就是如此，但我們很願意跟考試院一起來討論。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2025-01-02T12:30:20.465000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:30:31.053000+08:00","text":"所以你這邊可以承諾，至少從勞動部的立場，可以跟考試院來協商，因為現在這種聲音愈來愈大。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T12:30:31.374000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:30:35.877000+08:00","text":"我們把我們相關的專業讓考試院知道，我們是願意跟考試院來討論的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2025-01-02T12:30:36.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:30:44.624000+08:00","text":"我希望勞動部能夠本於你們的專業來呼應這些基層公務員的聲音，好不好？謝謝。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-02T12:30:44.624000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:30:44.684000+08:00","text":"謝謝王委員，謝謝部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-02T12:30:45.184000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T12:30:48.898286+08:00","text":"接下來我們請牛煦庭委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}