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20個國家比其實我們只比俄羅斯跟沙烏地阿拉伯土耳其高我們其實是相當低的我們大概就是百分之30點多占GDP的比例所以大家可以理解"},{"start":330.433,"end":346.285,"text":"我們國家的負債情況是優秀的所以拜託不要再用說國家會破產什麼我們從來沒有說國家會破產不是不是不是不是國家會破產而是因為這3700多億的部分市權沒有調整的時候怎麼樣拖出來就有一些"},{"start":350.988,"end":368.869,"text":"不理解的委員有的是剛剛來才第一次來然後就信口開河這個少了3700億國家會倒會垮事實上是不會的所以就不要以訛傳訛我們要就事論事另外今天講到其他的單位土銀土銀的表現"},{"start":372.632,"end":390.837,"text":"事實上感覺就是穩穩的也做得不錯可是你給何董事長還有張總經理的薪水我算了一下跟其他38間的本土銀行來比他大概是領到的錢是敬培莫作"},{"start":392.298,"end":417.91,"text":"那部長你說這些表現當中那有哪一個人的薪水領得比他少的38家銀行就董事長來說好了我跟委員報告國營事業的董事長總經理負責任他們的薪資事實上是有一定的規定的不是我來確定的麻煩你往你的左後方邊稍微看一下是"},{"start":418.951,"end":434.928,"text":"你給他一點怪的眼神嘛據我所知說公股銀行特別是公股銀行百分之百的大家很多都是萌生趣意你講董事長好不好他一個月領多少薪水"},{"start":436.631,"end":459.086,"text":"總長薪水我也不方便在這邊講,我想說他屬於他個人的有沒有10萬塊?這個部分屬於他個人的,當然10萬塊是有啦那有沒有20萬?20萬?我不知道欸,應該是沒有吧你看各位親愛的全國同胞,擔任一個銀行那麼大規模我們再來講,圖銀的整個資產規模有多少?"},{"start":466.024,"end":478.968,"text":"管一個三兆多資產的規模結果薪資是領不到18萬為什麼不繼續學習新加坡以貢養年因為我不是只有講董事長因為土銀的員工有多少人8000多人吧"},{"start":494.574,"end":516.325,"text":"五千七百多台銀的員工有多少七千多這些所有每天認真在工作苦幹認真幹然後弄半天追求人生最大的目標就是董事長的十八萬的薪資我的天哪"},{"start":518.153,"end":523.937,"text":"幾萬個人他終身窮極一生的目標就是董事長最高位階18萬"},{"start":528.377,"end":538.501,"text":"委員這是因為有相關法規的關係那也跟委員報告除了董事長之外就是論事其他員工的薪資已經跟公務員的條薪脫鉤了本席在這裡已經為幾萬個員工的未來在這裡我們努力來討論有沒有成長改善的空間"},{"start":549.705,"end":577.341,"text":"每一年就是一年又一年下一次來還是同樣的答案我覺得這個對不起這幾萬個辛苦的工作同仁工作同仁的薪資已經跟公務員脫鉤了就是還有條薪那當然委員也非常重視我們國營事業的員工謝謝委員我相信對於我們同仁的待遇跟福利的重視那我們也會來做相關的另外一個因為還有煙酒公司"},{"start":578.402,"end":595.853,"text":"那董事長是?湯董事長湯祈安湯以前的酒是黃湯希望黃湯下肚期待你的事業會平安叫湯祈安"},{"start":598.137,"end":608.985,"text":"那你一直所有的面對外在壓力節節下退要思考一個好的方法譬如說有沒有聽過茅台貴州茅台吧"},{"start":610.728,"end":627.07,"text":"他有上市吧,上市以後發展的不斷的成長,整個市值各方面可以說是很成功啦我希望部長也可以思考一下,怎麼樣來帶領"},{"start":628.992,"end":646.25,"text":"煙酒公司可以好好的發揮不然每年在這邊看的業績都是節節敗退但是跟民生相關的紅標米酒的問題還有一些紹興酒料理用酒的問題今年度會不會漲價煙價會不會調高"},{"start":650.41,"end":670.288,"text":"各位委員報告我們民生用品的米酒類今年跟明年都不會漲價那菸品的部分呢我們今年主打的會是以高價位的菸品然後打中價位我們設定的是90到95塊的香菸100塊以上的香菸我們未來今年度不會考慮紹興紅露會不會調高售價"},{"start":677.165,"end":681.045,"text":"我們會調整產品但是調整售價可能需要再評估"},{"start":682.947,"end":709.178,"text":"拜託不要調,因為本席來自新店、聖坑、石碇、坪林、烏來你去查一下,坪林喝最多的就是紅綠酒因為農民他們查明回來都是需要讓身體可以去濕除寒所以拜託不要調高,調高大家生活都很難過請注意一下這個問題,謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:40:16+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T12:40:18.390000+08:00","text":"主席、各位委員、出列席官員，大家好。","quality":0.214},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:40:18.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:40:19.631000+08:00","text":"麻煩請莊部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-02T12:40:20.591000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:40:26.414000+08:00","text":"請莊部長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2025-01-02T12:40:26.414000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T12:40:27.414000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:40:26.414000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:40:32.276000+08:00","text":"部長好，今年是幾年？114年。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:40:32.816000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:40:33.657000+08:00","text":"西元是幾年？2025。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:40:37.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:40:45.162000+08:00","text":"2025，你看2025年，25、25就是所有22縣市都在期盼，你有嗎？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:40:45.602000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:40:45.782000+08:00","text":"你有嗎？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:40:46.623000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:40:48.024000+08:00","text":"有什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:40:48.024000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:40:51.847000+08:00","text":"財劃法已經通過了，到底有沒有要撥下來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:40:51.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:41:32.608000+08:00","text":"我們新北這邊，我大概喊了一、二十年，終於盼到了一點希望的花朵，中央關愛的水源即將緩緩的流到新北，可以增加374億，我在這裡要拜託部長加快速度，這個都已經過了，因為這個畢竟是70%左右的民意，希望所有的錢可以下放地方，不要中央集錢又集權，就趕快讓它過，讓民眾過個好年嘛！","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:41:33.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:41:35.731000+08:00","text":"2025就是25、25，就是你有沒有？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:41:36.412000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:41:37.052000+08:00","text":"拜託，有啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:41:37.953000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:41:39.275000+08:00","text":"部長加油一點好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2025-01-02T12:41:40.164000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:41:48.208000+08:00","text":"委員，12月20日立法院三讀通過的財劃法，目前行政院還沒有收到立法院給行政院的……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:41:48.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:41:49.088000+08:00","text":"快了、快了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:41:51.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:41:52.890000+08:00","text":"如果收到了以後呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:41:53.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:41: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50.336000+08:00","text":"所以25.2這個數字也還好啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:44:50.336000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T12:44:58.589000+08:00","text":"2025就有25啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2025-01-02T12:44:58.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:45:06.375000+08:00","text":"當然對於債務的控管，我們必須要很嚴謹，因為依照公債法有規定的。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:45:06.856000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:45:07.176000+08:00","text":"我知道啦！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:45:07.756000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:45:18.365000+08:00","text":"部長你也知道，全世界那麼多的國家當中，你如果比較美國的負債，或者是其他日本的負債、各國的負債，我們的財務狀況是屬於優等班呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:45:18.725000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:45:20.507000+08:00","text":"還是我們的負債情況很嚴重？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2025-01-02T12:45:28.173000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:45:44.551000+08:00","text":"我們中華民國在有關債務的控管，其實我們是優等班，因為跟G20的20個國家比，其實我們只比俄羅斯、沙烏地阿拉伯和土耳其高，我們其實是相當低的，大概就是百分之三十點多，占GDP的比例，所以……","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:45:44.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:45:54.699000+08:00","text":"好的，這樣大家可以理解，我們國家的負債情況是優秀的，所以拜託，不要再說國家會破產什麼的來恐嚇人民。","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2025-01-02T12:45:54.699000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:45:56.380000+08:00","text":"我們從來沒有說國家會破產，我想……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:45:56.380000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T12:45:58.062000+08:00","text":"有一些委員啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2025-01-02T12:45:58.062000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:46:02.024000+08:00","text":"不是，不是國家會破產，而是因為這三千七百多億的部分，事權沒有調整的時候，怎麼樣多出來。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:46:02.024000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T12:46:03.024000+08:00","text":"部長，你OK啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:46:02.024000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:46:20.384000+08:00","text":"就有一些不理解的委員，有的是剛剛來，才第一次來，然後就信口開河，這個少了3,700億，國家會倒、會垮，事實上是不會的，所以不要以訛傳訛，我們要就事論事。不是……","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:46:21.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:46:24.869000+08:00","text":"另外，今天講到其他的單位，土銀的表現……","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-02T12:46:24.869000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T12:46:28.952000+08:00","text":"土銀何董事長。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:46:28.952000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:46:37.234000+08:00","text":"感覺就是穩穩的，也做得不錯，可是你給何董事長，還有張總經理的薪水……","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-02T12:46:37.234000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T12:46:38.234000+08:00","text":"張總經理。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:46:38.155000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:46:45.997000+08:00","text":"我算了一下，跟其他38間的本土銀行來比，他領到的錢大概是敬陪末座。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:46:48.418000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:46:55.801000+08:00","text":"部長你說，這些表現當中，有哪一個人的薪水領的比他少？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:46:57.582000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:46:59.483000+08:00","text":"38家銀行，就以董事長來說好了。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2025-01-02T12:46:59.643000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:47:10.348000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，國營事業的董事長、總經理、負責人，他們的薪資事實上是有一定規定的，不是我來決定的。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:47:10.548000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:47:13.890000+08:00","text":"對，那麻煩部長往你的左後方稍微看一下。是。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:47:14.951000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:47:16.773000+08:00","text":"你給他一點關愛的眼神嘛！好。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:47:17.734000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:47:26.704000+08:00","text":"據我所知，特別是這些公股銀行，百分之百的，大家很多都是萌生去意。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:47:28.225000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:47:30.908000+08:00","text":"你講董事長好了，他一個月領多少薪水？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:47:30.908000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T12:47:32.631000+08:00","text":"大概就好了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2025-01-02T12:47:32.631000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:47:35.913000+08:00","text":"董事長的薪水我不方便在這邊講，我想這是屬於他個人的……","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:47:35.913000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T12:47:36.913000+08:00","text":"大概啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2025-01-02T12:47:36.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:47:37.875000+08:00","text":"有沒有10萬塊？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2025-01-02T12:47:37.875000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T12:47:40.036000+08:00","text":"這個部分是屬於他個人的，當然10萬塊是有啦！","quality":0.944},{"speaker":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