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point這就是中央有這個領域來整個來評估評估來做這個事情所以未來如果中央這個經費比較少的時候我們是不可以落實"},{"start":225.509,"end":254.234,"text":"我們由國家的一個政策來佈置這個部分可能的確會受到影響那地方上我們也期待地方上能夠播出如果已經裁劃法過了就是播出應該能夠播出這樣的那個地方來補助地方但是這樣的一個比較可能從我們的立場來講會比較零散比較沒有辦法由中央來佈置讓在醫療的評審上面可能會比較需要擔心"},{"start":255.314,"end":273.471,"text":"謝謝部長那我最後再因為時間已經到但是我最後再補充對於國家的整體的重視的政策我們最重要的是長照政策那一個縣市他能夠規劃的通常就是區域性的那他可能沒有辦法吸引到全國的最多的人才"},{"start":274.292,"end":288.548,"text":"來進入到最需要偏向的地方所以為什麼說中央的資源很重要就是因為它至少可以做一些分配上面來去彌補一個縣市可能沒有辦法獨自完成不可以自己完成的這些計畫所以這一次的財化法"},{"start":288.908,"end":314.221,"text":"他這一個通過以後那對於地方的影響當然是甚大那我還是希望說至少在我能力的範圍內我一樣還是會盡量跟中央來全力爭取那現在我還是再跟大家報告一下跟所有的民眾也要講一下說國家的預算就是這麼多當你多出去一部分給地方那地方政府也要付出他相應的責任那我相信我們縣府一定會全力在照顧老人的部分但是其他縣市"},{"start":314.841,"end":334.588,"text":"如果他把這個照護這個我們老闆的伯婚來去分到其他的地方的話那可能就會影響我們希望說公共建設的費用放在公共建設老人福利的費用放在老人福利不要最後拿到經費放在放煙火或者是其他作為這種喜慶上面的節慶式上面的應用這樣就比較不好好謝謝謝謝謝謝陳委員謝謝部長"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-02T13:31:58.714000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:31:59.819000+08:00","text":"主席好，請衛福部部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T13:32:08.468000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:32:09.769000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-02T13:32:09.989000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:32:10.069000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-02T13:32:10.249000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:32:18.094000+08:00","text":"我現在是要針對新的財劃法，之後可能會影響到衛福部的哪一些預算等等。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-02T13:32:18.774000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:32:31.422000+08:00","text":"因為2024年底的時候，我們嘉義縣竹崎鄉有一個非常重要的，跟衛福相關、跟老人長照相關的建設，就是臺中榮總灣橋分院鹿滿長照中心的動土典禮。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-02T13:32:32.943000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:32:44.892000+08:00","text":"這是一座由衛福部跟退輔會合作興建的住宿型長照機構，你知道這個地方衛福部大概負擔幾成嗎？","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-02T13:32:44.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:33:03.718000+08:00","text":"我跟部長說，是八成，退輔會是負擔兩成，所以對我們嘉義人來說，這一個能夠照顧老年人、能夠照顧銀髮族的重要長照機構，幾乎有十成都是由中央挹注的。","quality":0.937},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-02T13:33:05.346000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:33:17.816000+08:00","text":"我們不斷在講財劃法的影響如何如何，地方可以增加多少錢，但是對於嘉義這樣的偏鄉來說，由中央挹注經費，直接把所有縣市裡面最需要的做調配是非常重要的。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-02T13:33:18.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:33:19.677000+08:00","text":"我現在只是拿竹崎當一個例子。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-02T13:33:20.258000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:33:30.462000+08:00","text":"第二個例子也是在嘉義縣，中埔鄉有一個中埔隆興多功能社區式照顧園區，你知道我們跟衛福部爭取多少經費嗎？","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-02T13:33:30.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:33:34.785000+08:00","text":"四千多萬，那四千多萬裡面已經接近九成的經費。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-02T13:33:34.785000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:33:56.706000+08:00","text":"所以我再次跟所有的民眾，還有每一個關心財政劃分跟長照衛福的人說，中央作為一個整體性的評估，對於最需要資源分配的給予分配，是一個非常重要、非常重要的做法。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-02T13:33:58.508000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:34:13.660000+08:00","text":"一直以來也有人說，地方會因為財劃法之後增加多少錢，但是他們可能沒有想過，在許多重要的案子上面，特別跟我們最弱勢的縣市跟最弱勢的族群來講，中央的挹助是極端重要的。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-02T13:34:14.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:34:23.947000+08:00","text":"所以我現在想請教部長，財劃法通過之後，未來會不會影響到這樣子的做法，地方上的規劃會不會受到影響？","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-02T13:34:23.947000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:34:25.668000+08:00","text":"如果有，該怎麼辦才可以亡羊補牢？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T13:34:27.269000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:34:40.041000+08:00","text":"我想一定有影響，因為一個政策的擬定，其實都要經過國家級的整體考量與研究的結果來制定健康政策。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T13:34:41.563000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:34:52.183000+08:00","text":"我想特別感謝陳委員在嘉義縣關心這些老人的照顧，特別是在竹崎跟中埔這兩個地方都很需要這個建設。","quality":0.795},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T13:34:52.183000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:34:52.924000+08:00","text":"這是怎麼來的？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T13:34:54.165000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:35:07.456000+08:00","text":"這一定是中央去整體評估，把資源用在刀口上，這每一個決策後面都有多少專家做健康的評估、數據，怎麼樣做全國的醫療平權。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T13:35:11.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:35:19.867000+08:00","text":"當然哪個地方需要，我們就去補它，我想這樣的布置會比較周全，也會讓全國的人民得到更好的照顧。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T13:35:20.928000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:35:26.894000+08:00","text":"剛剛委員爭取的這兩個地方真的是非常重要，非常to 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