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請回答"},{"start":680.148,"end":701.858,"text":"你們現在已經快公佈了嘛144已經有了嘛那你的公佈程序是什麼包括你看到本席的這樣的一個這麼明確我全部數字說話喔那你是不是應該暫停然後納入檢討之後你再去做到底全國應該要多少間的醫療中心那你再去做這個之後的公佈呢"},{"start":702.725,"end":712.807,"text":"我們一定會審慎評估好 審慎評估審慎評估要多久你要多久才監討完然後多久要公布這兩個議題你可以把它掛勾處理"},{"start":713.939,"end":732.854,"text":"你什麼時候公布你現在這一批的評鑑要不要有增列這個是不是有這個增列的這個醫療中心高雄好了 高屏鵬你這一邊你要不要增加第四間的醫療中心這件事情你什麼時候要評估完成然後第二個你什麼時候要公布這一批次的這個醫療中心部長我們希望"},{"start":738.464,"end":765.015,"text":"能夠兩個禮拜之內把林委員提的這些建議那好好的來延期那因為這個公布也不能太也不能太慢啦 因為所有這次接受評鑑的都在因應期盼嘛 那個也比較不管是在衛福部或健保署都有後續相關的作業要做所以時間也不能太久 我們希望"},{"start":767.239,"end":769.581,"text":"你要監察兩個禮拜這樣的一個評鑑標準是嗎部長評鑑標準其實已經"},{"start":775.799,"end":795.325,"text":"已經都已經本來就公告了平間標準有問題啊你要不要回復到我的上一月第七頁你說你們的多荒謬來看到第七頁部長你不覺得這樣的平間標準已經是很荒謬的事情嗎你們公然違法你們沒有法也沒有依據作業程序你自己說結果你又沒有按照自己講的這個內規執行你覺得這樣可以嗎"},{"start":799.332,"end":812.069,"text":"每200萬人得評一家醫學中心然後你的大台北 台北區 韓新北你已經10間了原則上你只能3.76間的醫學中心那我是不是應該撤掉"},{"start":813.547,"end":828.854,"text":"如果按照你這個標準都要撤掉啊還是你要重新的盤點你應該檢討你的這個作業你這兩個禮拜要應該重新檢討你的醫院這個醫院評鑑及教學醫院的評鑑的作業程序的這個作業標準"},{"start":830.074,"end":832.355,"text":"你兩個禮拜應該要檢討這件事情我們要檢討那這兩個禮拜之後你再想說你要怎麼的去公布你這一批的這個醫學中心好嗎好的謝謝部長謝謝謝謝主席給我這個為南台灣發聲謝謝主席"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:37:55.392000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:37:55.837000+08:00","text":"有請邱部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T13:37:55.837000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T13:38:01.462000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:38:01.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:38:10.365000+08:00","text":"部長，本席針對爭取高屏澎第四座醫療中心，提升急、重、難、罕的醫療量能。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:38:11.345000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:38:31.312000+08:00","text":"本席有幾個議題，從人口分布來看南北醫療不均，從地理分布看就醫資源不均，從區域發展看醫療研究的需求，從醫護培訓看醫療中心的必要，進而再檢討醫院評鑑程序的過時性，最後有本席的建議。","quality":0.988},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:38:35.095000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:38:56.051000+08:00","text":"從人口比例來看南北醫療不均，北部醫療中心超限成長被監察院糾正，衛福部明定臺北區的上限為8家，2024年的評鑑你們卻超額增列雙和醫院跟臺北慈濟醫院，使國內的醫療醫學中心更集中到臺北地區。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:38:56.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:39:00.635000+08:00","text":"光是看到這個我就覺得非常荒謬，荒謬的是糾正的時候你們做什麼？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:39:02.276000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:39:03.337000+08:00","text":"你應該撤銷啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:39:04.277000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:39:14.179000+08:00","text":"但是你們沒有做，那表示人家要廢監察院，監察院的糾正等於廢紙一張，連參考的價值都沒有，你衛福部做了什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:39:14.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:39:14.619000+08:00","text":"怎麼糾正？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:39:15.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:39:15.460000+08:00","text":"沒有啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:39:16.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:39:21.161000+08:00","text":"你們都怕得要命，怕監察院糾正，結果你做了什麼改善作為？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:39:21.161000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:39:26.202000+08:00","text":"沒有，所以監察院被廢掉差不多而已，糾正沒意義嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:39:26.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:39:27.703000+08:00","text":"你應該廢掉這兩個啊！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:39:28.663000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:39:45.328000+08:00","text":"以醫院的評鑑分區，臺北是每75.2萬人就有一間醫學中心，如果我擴大臺北市之外的北區桃竹苗，則是稍微增加一下，每95.1萬人有一間醫學中心。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:39:45.948000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:40:04.802000+08:00","text":"我高屏澎，高雄加屏東是121.3萬才有一間醫學中心，等同我每家的高屏醫學中心要服務121萬人，負擔是臺北區的1.6倍，人均享有醫療資源的品質是顯然不均的。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:40:05.643000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:40:21.536000+08:00","text":"醫療中心過度集中中北部，不僅擴大了南北醫療不均，也讓新增的醫學中心與現有的醫療單位爭取為數有限的醫護人力，影響我這個高屏地區民眾醫療的品質。","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:40:21.536000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:40:26.840000+08:00","text":"而且這句話，我一定要為高雄人講話，高雄市民的平均餘命才多少？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:40:27.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:40:37.648000+08:00","text":"六都最低耶，醫療資源的不平均，已經造成南部醫護工作負擔，衛福部必須重視，這才是剛起點而已。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:40:50.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:41:03.862000+08:00","text":"我們從地理分布來看就醫資源，桃竹苗為北區的範圍，今年臺大醫院的新竹分院也增列為醫學中心，使全國醫學中心在2024年突破到22家。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:41:04.622000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:41:16.047000+08:00","text":"其中一半以上，22的一半就是11家，11加1有12家全部都在北區跟臺北區，濁水溪以南的醫學中心有多少？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:41:16.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:41:18.048000+08:00","text":"臺南加高雄有5家。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:41:19.772000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:41:42.914000+08:00","text":"從地理面積來看，高屏澎的面積是5,931.86平方公里，這個數字可以放過，但是這個數字，部長你看清楚，高屏澎我還把澎湖拉進來，平均每1,977平方公里才有一間醫學中心，而臺北加新北是平均每151公里就有一間醫學中心。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:41:43.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:41:51.140000+08:00","text":"你看光是就醫的便利性，我高屏澎真的不是說「細漢」就可以解釋的。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:41:52.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:42:01.306000+08:00","text":"高屏澎跟雙北區相比，每平方公里所擁有的醫學中心的資源，相差了13倍啊！","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:42:02.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:42:04.068000+08:00","text":"凸顯兩地就醫資源的不均。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:42:05.929000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:42:19.113000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2025-01-02T13:46:19.683000+08:00","text":"好，我們就不要看全國上限，其中全國北中南東才20家，你看你們現在暴增多家，臺北區就8家，高屏區3家。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:46:20.264000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:46:34.813000+08:00","text":"事實上，臺北區目前已經達到10家，可見這個上限沒有法源，也沒有依據，而且衛福部還可以在評鑑後，僅以分數接近為由，自行在雙北增加，遭到監察院檢舉之後，傷害評鑑的公信力。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:46:34.833000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:46:53.467000+08:00","text":"醫院評鑑程序對醫學中心數量的評定標準是過時的，過時的辦法不僅未能考慮區域醫療均衡發展，且成為監委糾正的理由，衛福部有必要檢討過時的作業程序，納入更公允的指標。","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:46:53.587000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:47:19.154000+08:00","text":"本席建議，請你們現在針對高屏澎增列第四間醫療中心，而且再請衛福部針對人口、地理面積、國家發展計畫及提升資源不足地方的醫療等目標，考慮東高雄、北高雄、北屏東等地民眾的需求，提升該區域的醫療中心。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:47:20.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:47:23.840000+08:00","text":"針對這一次本席的質詢，我不曉得您有什麼看法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T13:47:26.479000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:47:29.041000+08:00","text":"非常敬佩林委員提出這麼完整的……從各個角度……","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:47:30.161000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:47:32.503000+08:00","text":"我高雄人，我南臺灣人啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T13:47:32.823000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:47:33.764000+08:00","text":"真的非常敬佩。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T13:47:35.045000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:47:43.270000+08:00","text":"我們站在均衡臺灣跟醫療平權的立場，當然資源不足的地方我們要優先去補，就像屏東那麼少，我們……","quality":0.78},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:47:43.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:47:44.151000+08:00","text":"針對你們現在即將公布的醫療中心，你們要怎麼處理？","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T13:47:44.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:47:44.211000+08:00","text":"一樣啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T13:47:44.371000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:47:57.119000+08:00","text":"整個高屏看起來，如果照剛剛委員分析的，真的是需要加強……","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:47:58.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:48:04.181000+08:00","text":"不分析不知道，一分析我都要跟你革命了！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:48:04.301000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:48:20.664000+08:00","text":"所以我這邊先具體要求，你們現在要公布的這個高屏澎的第四間，我不能接受你們說你們再納入研究，然後要不要有第四間下一次再處理。","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:48:21.024000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:48:34.654000+08:00","text":"我告訴你，本席不能接受這件事情，所以你現在要暫停你們整個評鑑的所有作業，分數到這邊你不能給我公布，你們要很公允的去看區域的平衡。是。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:48:35.234000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:48:37.176000+08:00","text":"如果你跟我講你現在要公布，然後區域均衡的醫療權你要下次再檢討，我給你翻桌。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:48:46.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:48:53.454000+08:00","text":"我站在高雄人的立場來給你翻桌，所以你要暫停評鑑的發布程序。","quality":0.741},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:48:54.015000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:48:55.317000+08:00","text":"部長你要怎麼做？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:48:55.457000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:48:55.477000+08:00","text":"請回答。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:48:58.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:48:59.509000+08:00","text":"你們現在已經快公布了嘛！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:49:00.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:49:03.470000+08:00","text":"醫事司已經有了，那你的公布程序是什麼？","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:49:03.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:49:08.072000+08:00","text":"你看到本席這麼明確的資料，我全部是用數字說話。","quality":0.762},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:49:09.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:49:19.838000+08:00","text":"你是不是應該暫停，然後納入檢討，並釐清到底全國應該要多少間的醫療中心，你再去做之後的公布呢？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T13:49:20.725000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:49:21.948000+08:00","text":"我們一定會審慎評估。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:49:22.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:49:23.311000+08:00","text":"好，審慎評估。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:49:23.451000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:49:25.616000+08:00","text":"審慎評估要多久？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:49:26.437000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:49:29.885000+08:00","text":"你要多久才檢討完，然後多久要公布這兩個議題？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:49:29.885000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:49:35.482000+08:00","text":"你可以把它掛勾處理，你什麼時候公布你現在這一批評鑑？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:49:37.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:49:39.445000+08:00","text":"是不是有增列醫療中心？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:49:39.705000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:49:45.990000+08:00","text":"高雄好了，高屏澎這邊你要不要增加第四間醫療中心，這件事情你什麼時候要評估完成？","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:49:46.831000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:49:50.394000+08:00","text":"然後第二個，你什麼時候要公布這一批次的醫療中心？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T13:49:50.514000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:50:01.566000+08:00","text":"我們希望能夠兩個禮拜之內把林委員提的這些建議好好研析。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T13:50:05.788000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:50:22.535000+08:00","text":"這個公布也不能太慢，因為所有這次接受評鑑的都在殷殷期盼，不管是在衛福部或健保署，都有後續相關的作業要做，所以時間也不能太久。","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T13:50:22.655000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:50:22.995000+08:00","text":"我們希望……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:50:25.239000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:50:27.381000+08:00","text":"你要用兩個禮拜來檢討這樣的評鑑標準是嗎？","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T13:50:27.421000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:50:35.780000+08:00","text":"評鑑標準其實本來就公告了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:50:36.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:50:37.340000+08:00","text":"評鑑標準有問題啊！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:50:37.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:50:46.903000+08:00","text":"你要不要回到我的上一頁，你知不知道你們有多荒謬，我們看到第七頁，部長不覺得這樣的評鑑標準已經是很荒謬的事情嗎？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:50:46.903000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:50:53.325000+08:00","text":"你們公然違法，你們沒有法源，沒有依據，作業程序你自己說，結果你又沒有按照自己講的內規執行，你覺得這樣可以嗎？","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:50:57.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:51:10.049000+08:00","text":"每200萬人得評定一家醫學中心，然後你的大臺北，臺北區（含新北）已經10間了，原則上你只能3.76間的醫學中心，那是不是應該撤掉？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:51:11.547000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:51:13.028000+08:00","text":"如果按照你這個標準都要撤掉啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:51:13.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:51:28.294000+08:00","text":"還是你要重新盤點，你應該檢討你的作業，你這兩個禮拜應該重新檢討你的醫院評鑑及教學醫院評鑑的作業標準，你兩個禮拜應該要檢討這件事情。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T13:51:28.314000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:51:28.414000+08:00","text":"好，我們來檢討。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:51:28.534000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:51:29.895000+08:00","text":"好，這兩個禮拜之後，你再想好你要怎麼去公布這一批醫學中心，好嗎？好的。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:51:29.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:51:29.955000+08:00","text":"謝謝部長，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T13:51:29.955000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:51:29.955000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-01-02T13:51:29.955000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T13:51:30.335000+08:00","text":"也謝謝主席給我為南臺灣發聲的機會，謝謝主席。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-02T13:51:30.835000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T13:51:33.692143+08:00","text":"林岱樺太棒了，謝謝部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-02T13:51:33.992143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T13:51:36.849286+08:00","text":"接續請王正旭委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}