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84服務費用專業服務費委託調查研究費動結10%委員謝一鳳等提案。85其他專業服務費動結10%委員謝一鳳等提案。86會費捐助補助分攤照護救濟與交流活動費捐助補助與獎助補協助政府機關購非科技計劃電動車電動機車產業環境加值補助"},{"start":2696.008,"end":2702.434,"text":"檢列4000萬元委員陳亭飛等提案87.檢列500萬元凍結500萬元委員邱志偉等提案88.凍結10%委員鄭天才等提案89.凍結5%委員邱瑩等提案90.凍結5%委員陳昌明等提案91.捐助個人非科技計劃住宅能效提升補助凍結3%委員陳亭飛等提案"},{"start":2722.513,"end":2731.261,"text":"92 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凍結十分之一委員鄭天才等提案114"},{"start":2857.116,"end":2867.087,"text":"建議配合五指化政策探討多元化推貿費繳納方式請經濟部於一個月內提出因應策略之書面報告委員邱志偉等提案"},{"start":2869.834,"end":2890.386,"text":"115請能源研究發展基金核實盤點經濟部部門相關計劃之實行內容並妥善規劃經濟部近年推動匯報平台運作委員楊求英等提案116石油基金編列工庫撥補住宅燃效計劃請加強計劃之前至規劃作業委員楊求英等提案"},{"start":2892.127,"end":2909.72,"text":"117請推廣貿易基金、滾動檢討修正智慧機械海外推廣計劃其脫銷措施委員楊瓊英等提案118要求經濟部應妥善規劃經濟部進行推動匯報平台運作之協調與資源整合控管委員鄭天才等提案"},{"start":2911.971,"end":2926.117,"text":"119 能源研究發展基金新增經濟部近年推動匯報平台運作應詳時盤點近三年相關計畫執行成效加強整合控管委員賴瑞榮等提案120 能源研究發展基金新增發電業"},{"start":2927.819,"end":2949.441,"text":"檢探、認測及發展入境規劃,要求該計劃應配合國際趨勢及我國淨零轉型階段目標妥善規劃執行策略委員賴瑞榮等提案。 121推貿基金辦理智慧機械海外推廣計劃,儀式全球經濟局勢變遷積極配合調整因應委員秋葉營等提案。"},{"start":2950.882,"end":2970.277,"text":"122推貿基金因持續加強輔導出口業者積極開拓國際市場委員謝伊鳳等提案123推貿基金因研議多元化繳納推貿費之可行性以提升徵收效率委員謝伊鳳等提案124能源研究發展基金及石油基金出國旅費"},{"start":2971.827,"end":2991.076,"text":"並專節原則核實檢討各項出國計劃之必要性委員謝一鳳等提案125、能源基金應配合國際趨勢並審酌我國能源及近年轉型之階段目標實成妥善規劃執行方案委員謝一鳳等提案126、石油基金辦理住宅能效計劃應檢討並加強計劃之前置規劃與評估分析作業委員謝一鳳等提案"},{"start":2997.379,"end":3020.272,"text":"127、石油基金根據編列電動機車產業環境價值補助因研謀加強提升普及率推動策略委員謝一鳳等提案128、鑒於中國大陸於113年1月預告農漁機械紡織產品、汽車零配件將取消關稅減讓要求經濟部於一個月內提出配套措施委員陳超明等提案"},{"start":3022.096,"end":3048.284,"text":"129行政院推動海外公共工程執行計畫要求經濟部未來該計畫完成融資撥款後每2個月減送執行進度委員陳超明等提案130中小企業屬應積極拓展其他收入財源逐步將低對國庫之依賴請於1個月內提出改善說明書面報告委員陳廷飛等提案131請經濟部中小及新創企業屬"},{"start":3049.537,"end":3064.793,"text":"於2個月內提出加強招商與提升營運績效策略書面報告委員邱志偉等提案。 132請中小企業發展基金加強招商與提升營運績效策略必利基金財務健全委員楊瓊英等提案。"},{"start":3066.954,"end":3093.107,"text":"133補助地方政府辦理太陽光電深色案件審查作業因周延考量相關規範以免復燃補助委員鄭天才等提案134要求經濟部因研謀提升育成中心營運績效以利基金財務健全與育成中心永續經營委員鄭天才等提案135補助地方政府辦理太陽光電深色案件審查作業以周延考量相關規範"},{"start":3094.386,"end":3120.033,"text":"落實審查機制委員謝一鳳等提案136合作涉及社區公開募集設置再生能源公民電廠示範獎勵計劃應加強推動方案委員謝一鳳等提案137中小企業加速投資行動方案計劃應加強執行策略以落實計劃推動目標委員謝一鳳等提案138中小企業發展基金"},{"start":3120.595,"end":3141.88,"text":"因積極拓展其他特定收入財源以為該基金是健全發展為先鋒等提案139中小企業發展基金辦理中小企業加速投資行動方案計畫111年後通過加速大幅衰退要求經濟部與一個院內提出專案報告委員陳超明等提案核能發電後端"},{"start":3143.308,"end":3152.631,"text":"141.低放射性廢棄物處理及儲存計劃141.低放射性廢棄物處理及儲存計劃142.凍結77萬元委員鄭天才等提案143.低放射性廢棄物最終處置計劃"},{"start":3172.879,"end":3173.339,"text":"144.凍結500萬元委員張祺凱等提案145."},{"start":3173.339,"end":3174.619,"text":"凍結300萬元委員賴瑞榮等提案146."},{"start":3174.619,"end":3178.1,"text":"服務費用專業服務費委託調查研究費中期暫存設施公眾溝通勞務案檢列600萬元委員賴瑞榮等提案147."},{"start":3178.1,"end":3179.821,"text":"推展費檢列50萬元委員陳廷飛等提案"},{"start":3197.833,"end":3203.621,"text":"148用過核子燃料儲存計劃、減列2000萬元、凍結3000萬元委員賴瑞榮等提案、149凍結1000萬元委員張祺凱等提案、150凍結100萬元委員邱志偉等提案、151凍結100萬元委員邱志偉等提案。"},{"start":3215.493,"end":3222.157,"text":"152 用過核磁燃料最終處置計畫檢列500萬元凍結600萬元委員賴瑞榮等提案153 檢列40萬元委員鄭天才等提案154 凍結1000萬元委員張祺凱等提案155 服務費用推展費"},{"start":3232.823,"end":3240.145,"text":"簡列25萬元委員陳亭飛等提案156盒子設施廚藥拆廠及其廢棄物處理及最終處置計劃服務費用推展費簡列50萬元委員陳亭飛等提案157限於核後端營運費用之提撥時程將於114年5月17日"},{"start":3254.554,"end":3255.535,"text":"好,我們現在進行協商"},{"start":3288.793,"end":3306.421,"text":"來各位同仁我們113年經濟作業基金我們從業務總支出的部分那這個謝易鳳委員以作為主決議那第二案會會的部分謝易鳳委員也經過溝通作為主決議"},{"start":3307.902,"end":3332.874,"text":"那接下來這個科技產業園區作業基金業務總支出的部分我們有第3案到第8案請大家看那其中呢其中第3案蔡議員委員業務成本的這個部分他已經改為主決議第8案李玉玲委員的部分也改為主決議那我們請行政部門請做說明"},{"start":3335.319,"end":3363.399,"text":"本案有向委員辦公室跟委員親自說明委員也都同意領動節改成主決議這個是那個第三案到第八案請注意聽第三案跟第八案同意作為主決議但是第四案、第五案、第六案、第七案四案、五案、六案、七案有跟委員辦公室報告過但是他說現場處理"},{"start":3365.419,"end":3393.028,"text":"先來處理就是你們提出你們的說法第4案要減劣300萬第5案凍結1000萬第6案凍結800萬第7案是凍結5%區長是不是先整體說明老闆整體說明一下那個整體說明一下就是說第一個就是說有關污水廠的使用率的部分因為這兩年因為疫情關係廠商的營業量有下降所以污水排放量有減少這是第一種狀況"},{"start":3394.088,"end":3421.767,"text":"那第二個原來我們屏東沿區的加工出口區也就科技產業區的部分我們原先設計的說是大水量的廠商進駐但是我們引進進來的廠商都已經做成節水所以目前他的排水量都有降低那所以綜合這兩個因素我們的污水廠的那個平均利用率僅到61%那這個也就是說廠商有節水那所以排放量有減少的原因所導致的"},{"start":3424.457,"end":3447.024,"text":"所以你同意陳立法委員檢列300萬同意李毅民委員凍結1000萬建議免刪減免凍結來那個賴容偉好我沒有意見我想這些工作期都相當重要那我是建議就不要凍結不要刪減好陳立法委員沒意見"},{"start":3448.43,"end":3453.554,"text":"因為我們今天總共審了4個基金4月1日開始漲價電費請4個基金待會你們趕快統計因為4月1日漲價因為這是113年度的基金你們的作業裡頭因為漲價會產生增加多少電費請待會4大基金也做說明"},{"start":3475.99,"end":3499.588,"text":"來各位同仁那經過這個主管機關單位的說明齁我們第三案跟第八案改為主決議那其他預算照列齁好謝謝來接下來我們固定資產建設改良擴充呢從第九案、第十案、第十一案到第十一案齁有邱議員委員、李玉婷委員跟張祺凱委員來行政部門請做說明是"},{"start":3500.949,"end":3527.74,"text":"這部委員提出來的就是希望我們能夠加強我們園區的那個農機率的使用跟那個閒置土地不要太多了那我們現在已經開始積極招商那對於我們有一些老舊園區的部分推行了立體化的部分來增加它的使用率那所以目前我們的閒置土地的部分也減了很多那再來一個就是"},{"start":3529.241,"end":3529.521,"text":"請教各位委員"},{"start":3553.107,"end":3566.726,"text":"各位沒有要發言的時候本席也希望就是說單位把你們目前使用因為現在工業地是一地難求、一品難求"},{"start":3568.027,"end":3585.338,"text":"很辛苦喔那所以你們也去盤點一下因為有時候整個樣態會改變那所以你們盤點一下將你們目前所工業區用地的執行行列表出來給委員會我們一起來加油"},{"start":3589.52,"end":3611.295,"text":"那所以呢經過行政部門的說明那但是剛剛還有一項就是您希望他們是蓋到六樓但是分屬在每一個地方每一個縣市他們的隆基是不一樣的是不一樣的你們是不是有協助不然你們只有告訴我們說你希望要"},{"start":3612.156,"end":3631.853,"text":"要蓋到6樓、7樓,它的容積就沒那麼多,要怎麼蓋?所以當時,局長記得當時我們潭子現在改為產業科技園區,像騎龍,它以前也是2樓而已,2樓、3樓而已,所以最後我們真的沒有辦法,沒有辦法不購土地,我們才增加120的容積。"},{"start":3634.715,"end":3638.396,"text":"120的容積是要經過不是你自己講就可以啊?"},{"start":3638.396,"end":3639.056,"text":"是還是你自己講就可以啊?"},{"start":3639.056,"end":3640.917,"text":"是你自己講要協助嗎?會去協助廠商因為有些都市計畫的那個園區的部分要跟地方政府來協調"},{"start":3652.14,"end":3667.718,"text":"對嘛,所以這個部分很重要你一定要去做規劃你的KPI在哪裡然後你們要怎麼樣協助因為你是主管單位啊你要怎麼樣跟當地的地方政府去溝通嘛"},{"start":3668.739,"end":3687.094,"text":"你做一廂情願我希望他蓋到六樓七樓他又起不來你怎麼說好不好所以我們也希望聽到真的訊息因為觀光壇子科技產業園區要增加120你看我們共同奮鬥多久才把它完成對不對而且他們未來要蓋的時候這個廠商都很辛苦所以我要勉勵你們一定要"},{"start":3693.919,"end":3720.305,"text":"協助廠商把我們的指標弄出來然後跟當地的縣市政府來溝通來努力合作嘛因為你只有靠廠商我當然希望但是你如果沒有出面也不太有可能嘛好不好朝這個方向去做啊你把那個那個那個那個你們的使用率列表出來好不好那也把你們預計你說的六六七六要在哪一個園區可以怎麼做"},{"start":3723.458,"end":3723.578,"text":"主席"},{"start":3748.92,"end":3775.598,"text":"主席來這邊宣告9案、10案、11案我們預算照列謝謝來接下來我們這個產業園區開發管理基金的部分業務總支出各位同仁我們請看12案本席改組決議13案跟廖偉強委員兩個我們改組決議14案本席跟廖偉強委員提案的我們也改組決議那第15案是賴樂榮動解500萬請做說明"},{"start":3779.866,"end":3783.479,"text":"有關委員所提到的就是也是一樣閒置土地活化的部分"},{"start":3784.482,"end":3811.048,"text":"發言 那我們現在已經加強招商然後對於原來產業園區的閒置的土地的部分我們也經過前面的清查目前列為閒置土地的部分只剩下大概十幾公頃那剩下的都已經開始在建築那原先開始在107年查的時候有200多公頃那目前都已經下降下來那我們會積極督導現在開始興建的廠商要積極依照他的計畫來興建"},{"start":3814.284,"end":3842.361,"text":"來來認為我想我也肯定顯示空間還是請局長持續來加速來交商來推動但是我也趁這個也要提一下就是像前陣的最早的那個園區的那個改建的部分還是希望能夠持續來也謝謝部長跟局長支持那最老的一個園區對台灣貢獻最多經濟當時最多的我也希望加速持續已經有幾個持續動起來我也希望局長能夠再持續關注讓他更加速推動更新的工作"},{"start":3843.101,"end":3856.091,"text":"那預算我就改組決議好那經過說明那任委員也改組決議剛剛所提的本席也提一點意見也就是說沒有功勞也有苦勞最原先的"},{"start":3857.607,"end":3880.266,"text":"養胎的這個工業區 這才是你們的寶貝 是因為只有在那個區塊有可能去改變 因為以前都孔氏臘部會一樓二樓這樣而已 最少三樓 所以他的空間經過日積月累不管是農積這一些都有可能去改變 而且機率最大 是"},{"start":3880.826,"end":3903.925,"text":"所以怎麼樣可以脫胎換骨換了一心這是你們的寶貝的地方啊所以應該好好去做規劃好不好好 那我們就這個委員謝謝當然我支持這個業務支出但是業務成本跟費用但是我問一下那個局長這個你們所主管66處財源區"},{"start":3907.628,"end":3920.038,"text":"這66處都已經開闢完成那高雄大概有幾處?高雄的部分目前正在開發中有北高雄一處還有另外還有一個就是剛孵出來的鹿竹產業園區你要趕快積極去規劃"},{"start":3926.982,"end":3933.284,"text":"我們已經在規劃當中那個部長你知道齁?剛敷出來的齁?上禮拜剛敷出來的齁?"},{"start":3933.284,"end":3934.905,"text":"是在積極進行齁?"},{"start":3934.905,"end":3947.589,"text":"是那另外這個其他的都已經批件完成了有沒有還有閒置的這個沒有進駐的?還有多少可以進駐的廠商?有沒有統計過?高雄的部分"},{"start":3948.229,"end":3972.125,"text":"高雄的部分我手頭上沒有資料那目前已開發完成的工業區就是剛剛有跟委員報告過就是我們總共清了240幾公頃那目前只剩下10幾公頃是確實是到現在3年的通知他該要新建高雄的部分我手頭上沒資料我是說全部的那高雄的部分我們再回去再查一下再跟委員做報告"},{"start":3973.305,"end":3995.223,"text":"高雄我那邊有沒有閒置?我記得是沒有啦我記得高雄是沒有啦我應該是供不應求因為供不應求才有這個入竹產業園區的規劃嘛那我覺得入竹產業園區很快如果你批完這個很快又有上禮拜跟委員報告過我們回去已經開始在研擬要提那個"},{"start":3997.225,"end":4021.222,"text":"那個可行性規劃報告開始要做了那個部分我已經大概已經都確定了那我還是覺得這個還是不夠還有五十幾公頃還是不夠我希望在北高雄陸陸續再找適當的地因為五十幾公頃大概提供給三十幾家頂多四十家那需求我了解大概有上百家所以你們繼續朝第三處產業園區去規劃好 謝謝"},{"start":4025.014,"end":4054.193,"text":"好 謝謝那經過充分討論我們營業總支出的部分12案、13案、14案、15案我們都改為主決議預算照列所以局長剛剛所提的資料要這個準備給我們委員謝謝來接下來我們決議的部分16案遵照辦理同意17案遵照辦理同意18案遵照辦理同意19案遵照辦理同意20案遵照辦理同意"},{"start":4057.588,"end":4064.979,"text":"21案21案的部分會建議做文字上的修正怎麼樣?請念"},{"start":4067.573,"end":4085.277,"text":"修正的部分就是我們建議就是說那個文字上不足的後面改成原立即啟動臺中產業園區托育服務需求調查並於兩個月內邀請邀集主管及官及相關單位召開會議原商臺中產業園區從業開辦從業人員托育作業之可行性"},{"start":4092.055,"end":4112.372,"text":"你修改的文字跟原文字有什麼差別?你的歷期是比我們一個月還要更歷期啊?是意思如此嗎?是,那個就希望就是說我們要有開會的時間啦因為你是一個月內啊,那你是歷期啊不是,兩個月都一樣啊因為前面我們還要再做規劃,要去做調查你弄錯了,兩個月怎麼樣?"},{"start":4120.989,"end":4141.367,"text":"2個月內邀集主管、機關及相關單位開會演商不同意啊這個推這麼重要這個都是只剩作業而已為什麼還要2個月才要去你立即去調查然後調查完你2個月才要召集要召集要召集多久這不對吧"},{"start":4143.929,"end":4168.034,"text":"這沒有困難啊 這都是你們的樣態66個都在啊 為什麼還要這樣子 有什麼可以做不來 像你們的優勢工業區原本說要做但是最後還是沒有辦法做 這沒有辦法做當然是每一個區的樣態不一樣啊 那我們也尊重當地需求者嘛 對不對 所以你一老還是要再閒置啊"},{"start":4170.315,"end":4174.057,"text":"那這個都是平面的、書面的,為什麼還要那麼久?"},{"start":4174.057,"end":4190.886,"text":"兩個月後才要去召集,你這是對不對?太離譜了啦 這個文字沒有問題啦,我們請你在一個月內去啟動只有針對台中工業區內,一個工業區,你這樣會有困難,你沒想到嗎?"},{"start":4193.465,"end":4216.535,"text":"不是66個,只有一個耶!廖委長、委員,這個大家陳請都需要,你們只是作業有什麼困難?像委員報告齁,召委報告,就有跟廖委員報告過啦,他也同意啦。那個召委這邊有特別指示,我們就加速辦理啦。那個不能這樣,不要改。那個你再改喔,大家沒意思啦。好,是。 21案。"},{"start":4220.981,"end":4224.884,"text":"通過22案通過23案通過24案通過25案通過26案通過27案27案的部分就是說因為我們要探綜合的示範區在園區裡面辦探綜合的示範區比較困難所以我們建議修改文字是不是能夠"},{"start":4248.78,"end":4257.043,"text":"優先推動低碳示範計畫,設立科技產業園區及產業園區的效能提升及低碳示範區。"},{"start":4273.251,"end":4273.311,"text":"主席"},{"start":4292.828,"end":4301.614,"text":"對不對?你早做晚做都要做,你幹嘛修改這樣子的文字只限於在第一攤的部分?你剛剛給你寫的那種是整體性的"},{"start":4305.373,"end":4328.643,"text":"我們現在對於整個工業區以及大家都很積極、很加油行政院也撥了那麼多預算 對不對應該努力去做啊你怎麼人家給你提倡你要限縮在一地當然那任委員同意我沒有意見啊我只是告訴你往後的案子不要這樣子 對不對哪有一個只有一個工業區要兩個月後才要召集對不對"},{"start":4331.424,"end":4336.506,"text":"二十七案我們尊重這個提案委員同意修正文字通過二十八案?"},{"start":4336.506,"end":4338.487,"text":"尊照辦理同意二十九案?"},{"start":4338.487,"end":4340.707,"text":"尊照辦理通過三十案?"},{"start":4340.707,"end":4342.748,"text":"尊照辦理通過三十一案?"},{"start":4342.748,"end":4347.19,"text":"三十一案的部分也跟委員報告過等一下我們三十一案他先講一下三十一案你說"},{"start":4351.451,"end":4368.982,"text":"我先說明一下等一下你是講31案嗎對31案是我的請邱志偉委員李柏毅委員請說因為這個高雄現在的科技產業園區很多那包含國科會跟這個台積電國科會的橋頭科學園區還有台積電未來將在南子產業園區進駐南部科學園區"},{"start":4375.846,"end":4394.481,"text":"那我們經濟部所管的男子科技產業園區現在第1、第2園區以外也在開閉第3園區但是第1、第2園區針對於這個台積電目前國客會這邊的用電他有專設161千伏特的變電站供產業園區的這個供電穩定的使用"},{"start":4398.484,"end":4417.283,"text":"但是目前我們高雄的這個第一園區跟第二園區並沒有第二園區現在日月工已經有申請一個但是我那天4月9日跟這些廠商來協調這些用電的穩定的需求下共同提出建議台電公司跟產業管理園區還有國科會"},{"start":4418.944,"end":4436.032,"text":"評估在3個月內從南科高雄的第三園區也就是台積電的161千伏特的變電站拉地下纜線到南子科技產業園區供南子科技產業園區的穩定供電使用以上做這一個提案"},{"start":4438.932,"end":4448.565,"text":"你已經有提案,那你剛才所說的是有部分文字要修正嗎?沒有沒有,再做一個補充說明"},{"start":4453.672,"end":4475.772,"text":"修正文字就是那個10月9日的記錄啦那第31案請來行政部門你說明了我們修正的文字就是委員那個10月9日在南芷召開會議的結論請你針對31案委員的提案有有有我有同意你的修正文字上來你說明那一部分我們也在會請台電公司"},{"start":4476.673,"end":4503.328,"text":"就是剛剛講的就是原件請臺電公司會同原管局國科會於3個月內等等的那個文字都一樣啦我說明一下啦本來是邀請你當主角你要請臺電當主角我也沒有意見啦同意反正就是要來做就對了同意剛剛局長所說的修正文字通過嗎?你沒意外?同意謝謝好邱教委你要發言嗎?因為這是我提案齁對這個嗯技術性今天臺電有沒有來?"},{"start":4506.756,"end":4525,"text":"這個需求性跟必要性沒有問題,技術性可不可行?這台電有沒有來?這件事我三年不會很關心的,這技術性可不可行?這部分我看我還是帶回去好了,因為這部分現在不是我這邊核能的主管的業務三個月可能太慢了"},{"start":4531.007,"end":4552.014,"text":"平估一個月就好了,你們那麼專業,還有國科會、還有經濟部,還有三個月評估,我修正三個月,一個月,好不好?對不對?大臣,可以了齁?請各位都評估出來,然後我要繼續再追蹤。可惜不可惜,一個月就要有一個確定,我們才知道怎麼樣去推動。是,好,我們遵道辦理。"},{"start":4552.714,"end":4571.547,"text":"好,那第31案尊重我們提案委員修正文字照剛剛梁局長所說的但是呢,邱志偉委員說這個評估由三個月改為一個月好,那我們就依照修正文字通過32案通過33案通過34案通過35案有向委員報告就是說修正文字"},{"start":4582.595,"end":4607.834,"text":"兩週內我們改成一個月專案報告改成書面報告委員也同意有簽名喔有沒有簽名好那叫這35萬照修正文字通過好那請你們也去計算喔待會一併最後一併你們增加的有多少那個電費4月要到年底的時候好繼續各位同仁我們繼續針對於水資源作業基金的部分我們來做討論協商"},{"start":4609.275,"end":4636.341,"text":"那業務總收入第36案那若委員是要增列兩千萬請行政部門說明有關於委員的這個提案我們來努力來達成這個目標依照委員的意見所以增列兩千萬徒使的好那我們就照案通過來增列兩千萬好業務總支出的部分第37案服務費用的部分有那若委員要減列五百萬凍結一千萬請做說明"},{"start":4638.179,"end":4644.339,"text":"因為現在氣候變遷水資源設施都很多我們建議說大會可以支持我們原來的預算"},{"start":4649.326,"end":4672.549,"text":"好 那這個水資源的部分我們也請你們去統計喔待會四大基金我剛剛說過了我再不再重複最後請你們說出4月1號到年底的時候你們的電費依照如果目前4月1號所漲的你們會預計要漲多少你們去做統計好 針對於37案的部分服務費用的部分呢剛剛行政部門說明來請教那任委員"},{"start":4673.978,"end":4700.617,"text":"這個部分我就改組決議來還是希望你們尊潔來支出另外相關的設備的一些費用部分能夠多多尊潔來使用好 37案經過溝通我們改為組決議請行政部門加油來接下來我們第38案、39案、40案、41案共同討論那其中38案跟39案跟41案委員同意改為組決議那40案邱志偉委員是凍結200萬請做說明"},{"start":4703.444,"end":4707.627,"text":"兩百萬這個凍結是有意義的為什麼會凍兩百萬不是凍三百萬這個禮拜一審查自來水公司的預算他們的這個原水的成本費用"},{"start":4732.442,"end":4745.333,"text":"跟水利署還有跟北水局他們的購水成本偏高好像一年大概四十幾億他們自由水源大概不到三成"},{"start":4746.479,"end":4760.605,"text":"基金、水資源作業基金、水資源作業基金、水資源作業基金、水資源作業基金、水資源作業基金、水資源作業基金、水資源作業基金、水資源作業基金、水資源作業基金、水資源作業基金、水資源作業基金、水資源作業基金、水資源作業基金、水資源作業基金、水資源作業基金、水資源作業基金、水資源作業基金、水資源"},{"start":4776.693,"end":4788.209,"text":"蘇聯要告訴我我知道委員是不是容我們跟台水公司來做一個協商這個部分不要凍結可不可以這40幾億你要協商有好的結論協商沒有結論或是沒有好的結論"},{"start":4793.158,"end":4794.779,"text":"請經濟部跟台水由部長來協調"},{"start":4813.768,"end":4829.832,"text":"委員長,另外你針對五自來水管的這個區域是屬於非度位區比較多,山區或者原來的縣區非度位區,所以你們評比的標準,最後水公司要送到你們那邊,那水利署來做最後的這個評比的優先順序,對不對?"},{"start":4834.696,"end":4847.694,"text":"這個針對偏鄉或非都市區在制度上能夠有加分或加成,讓這個比如說屏東、高雄市的北區,它的自來水的接管率能夠提高。"},{"start":4848.895,"end":4866.356,"text":"現在還不到八成、不到九成那市區都大概九成多九成八、九成九所以這部分我是希望說你能在這個無自然水接管的這評比的部分你能夠在設計上面能夠有一些的對於加分特別針對這個非都會區"},{"start":4869.5,"end":4870.2,"text":"主席主席主席"},{"start":4894.379,"end":4905.711,"text":"我同意改組決議但是我希望那個水利署這邊因為水資源作業基金其實他所牽扯的在我們的那位主委"},{"start":4907.913,"end":4918.54,"text":"中央政府總預算案附屬單位、水資源作業基金、經濟特別收入基金、核能發電後端營運基金、經濟特別收入基金、核能發電後端營運基金、經濟特別收入基金、核能發電後端營運基金、經濟特別收入基金、經濟特別收入基金、經濟特別收入基金、經濟特別收入基金、經濟特別收入基金、"},{"start":4937.893,"end":4947.781,"text":"更密切的結合我覺得這是比較重要的而不是你做你的水庫再另外再變另外有算那沒有意義啦謝謝"},{"start":4950.919,"end":4977.268,"text":"我們一併回答,那請卿委員好,謝謝主席我還是要請教一下那個水利署之前我一直提到就是說你們那個無自來水的那個評比啊我希望你們把它分成偏鄉地區跟比較市區集中區那個規劃什麼時候會開始做就是說你現在所有的這些評比計畫什麼時候會開始把它區隔第二個就是說原來你的評比是只要超過35萬就不會做嘛"},{"start":4979.869,"end":5005.482,"text":"那現在有沒有把那個整個評比的那個額度把它拉高那如果有拉高的話也是從什麼時候開始做可不可以說明我們依照這個委員會的這個建議我們現在已經把提送計畫現在計畫在國發會就依照委員這個建議分成包括偏鄉的部分包括評比的上限的部分拉高還有這個所謂的檢疫自來水的部分去改善這些我們都納進去了那現在計畫在審議中"},{"start":5007.769,"end":5025.983,"text":"主席我可不可以再講一句就說可不可以請水利署你們去盤點一下你比如說像我的選區那個像甲仙、寶萊那種很偏遠的地區他有可能一輩子一輩子都排不上評比即使你現在把評比拉高他可能還是排不上"},{"start":5026.744,"end":5052.231,"text":"那有沒有可能你們換另外一個方式比如說在這些偏遠的地區你們去跟市政府或者是跟其他的單位去共同設置所謂的減水設施讓他們也能夠享有簡易自來水他不用在那裡苦苦的等待你們每一年的評比然後他一輩子都比不上一輩子都根本不會被評選列入所以你像這樣子的一個偏遠的山區有沒有可能由"},{"start":5053.251,"end":5076.207,"text":"水利署跟自來水公司也好或者是地方政府的水利局共同來設置這樣的一個減水站讓他們其實能夠你的管線也不用拉那麼長啦那也不用讓他們一輩子都用不到自來水啦我覺得這個是不是也能夠納入考量委員提得非常合理那我們部長也有指示所以我們在未來的計畫不是有沒有可能我們就是朝這個方向來努力"},{"start":5080.779,"end":5098.848,"text":"好 謝謝那我們針對於38、39、40、41預算照列均改為主決議固定資產建設改良擴充的部分是第42案由我們就職委員凍結100萬來行政部門請做說明"},{"start":5102.692,"end":5115.171,"text":"跟委員會報告我們現在的工作都加速的辦理比如說我們曾文南化這條聯通管我們甚至還試圖提早半年以上所以建議說委員會這邊照我們的預算免以凍結"},{"start":5119.923,"end":5143.118,"text":"阿貢店水庫月域排水、月域排洪到橡皮壩這個部分目前的進度怎麼樣?這個部分臨時的措施已經做好反品已經通過了我們現在在做相關的監測這個計畫總金額是多少錢?沒有,它那個經費不是很多我記得差不多是好像300多萬"},{"start":5144.438,"end":5159.251,"text":"我是不是拜託請那個署長把那個阿公電水庫月移排洪道、蝦米霸工程這個執行狀況還有那個經費概況是不是提供一份資料給我沒有問題一個禮拜之後就送給你"},{"start":5159.972,"end":5186.887,"text":"好 那就免以凍結啦 那就改主決議好 那42案我們改為主決議相關資料請送交給委員好 接下來我們決議開始43案43案倒數第一行跟第二行有關於瓜福的部分我們建議文字修改成國內外海淡廠海水淡化新技術效益與成本分析及未來推動策略"},{"start":5189.97,"end":5206.387,"text":"這是瓜福內原來永安液化天然氣接收站結合零碳冷凍海水氮化技術之可行性的部分我們建議文字把它修改為國內外海水氮化新技術效益與成本分析及未來特動策略我同意"},{"start":5207.208,"end":5229.987,"text":"好那照修正文字通過43案來44案遵照辦理同意45案遵照辦理通過46案遵照辦理通過47案遵照辦理通過48案遵照辦理通過49案遵照辦理通過50案遵照辦理通過51案遵照辦理通過好謝謝那接下來我們繼續"},{"start":5232.589,"end":5251.442,"text":"113年度經濟特別收入基金的部分我們從52案領會有邱志偉委員凍結100萬,行政部門請做說明邱志偉委員凍結這個案主要是在特收基金裡面涉及到能源基金跟石油基金的出國預算"},{"start":5252.443,"end":5273.133,"text":"那這個主要是因為我們現在在推動淨零過程當中我們跟國際上的很多連結包括CCS包括氫能包括浮動式的離岸風機的這些互動交流等等所以會增加了這一些國外考察的需要那委員會裡面提到的說有一些看起來暗明跟過去相雷同類似"},{"start":5273.613,"end":5290.751,"text":"主要是有一些主要的國家比如說像英國丹麥等等他們都同時有發展這些新的再生能源技術那另外像我們在這個高壓設備的房廠的部分主要是因為國外的廠商在國內要銷售他的高壓設備他期限到的時候我們要到原廠"},{"start":5291.732,"end":5291.872,"text":"去年多少?"},{"start":5318.917,"end":5337.237,"text":"決算多少我現在是先看預算的部分預算的部分我們今年能源基金是多編了180萬2000那石油基金是多編了385萬請你針對52案52案你去年度的旅運會是編多少執行多少"},{"start":5339.076,"end":5357.841,"text":"那個資金數有沒有這個是整個經特的經特就兩筆基金嘛經特還包括那個貿易署的好你那個你整個經特大概是決算數是多少你不要抄太多了請說明"},{"start":5360.086,"end":5382.678,"text":"有關於那個貿易署的國外旅費是4100萬左右那我們現在的話就是因為現在疫情結束之後很多的雙邊會議通通都在辦理同時呢有些其他的機關本部的其他機關有必要出國的時候也是有貿易署的相關的這個旅運費來支應"},{"start":5384.239,"end":5401.357,"text":"國報署我覺得沒有問題啦就是說這個能源發展基金它增加100多萬然後石油基金增加300多萬對那個你跟中油這個相關的這個考察有沒有重複沒有重複沒有重複中油會編在他的事業預算裡面"},{"start":5402.834,"end":5417.199,"text":"你能把你們今年度出國的計畫、這兩個基金的出國計畫想表提供一份給我?可以這個動100萬你要提供資料給我之後就解凍好不好?是可以嗎?"},{"start":5418.104,"end":5418.645,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":5442.424,"end":5458.374,"text":"那個 那個 聯局喔 剛剛邱委員在問的就是說你去年 我不動喔 但你資料要詳實提供給我你去年這兩項基金 出國旅費的執行狀況還有今年詳細的出國的項目跟天數跟預算分配"},{"start":5460.003,"end":5478.423,"text":"其實我們113年度所比112年度是增加380萬嘛石油基金增加385萬然後能源基金增加180萬對啊是增加的嘛那其實你們去年度112年也沒有花完啊"},{"start":5481.863,"end":5482.424,"text":"執行率多少?"},{"start":5495.3,"end":5516.352,"text":"最後我們經過詳細討論52案照原列數通過預算照列那所要的資料兩份資料請盡速送交經濟委員會跟各位委員來我們現在繼續推廣貿易基金的部分基金來源53案有賴瑞隆委員要增列500萬行政部門請做說明"},{"start":5518.333,"end":5541.761,"text":"在我跟說明53案之前跟召委先報告推冒基金並不會因為4月1日電價的調整而有所影響至於在53的話遵照辦理是增列500萬是不是是的好那就是同意好53案我們就增列500萬來基金"},{"start":5544.847,"end":5549.15,"text":"基金用途的部分我們54案、55案、56案、57案一併討論那其中55案政見在委員改為主決議哪一個對"},{"start":5558.88,"end":5559.421,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":5579.724,"end":5581.046,"text":"五十八案是章委員關於我們智慧機械海外推廣的這個相關的做法實際上在我們積極的幫助海"},{"start":5602.406,"end":5606.109,"text":"機械產業拓展新市場還有我們今年也會開始採取異業結盟跟石化還有紡織等業者一併去拓展新的市場另外我們有發掘到波蘭跟墨西哥他積極在發展電動車產業這個也給我們機械產業有很大的發展空間所以跟"},{"start":5628.108,"end":5648.675,"text":"公會討論之後今年會組團去波蘭以及墨西哥此外我們也特別雲波了加碼20億元跟輸贏來合作辦理針對工具機還有機械產業的出口貸款方案所以建請58案提案免凍結以上報告好各位同仁"},{"start":5657.168,"end":5679.757,"text":"五十八案跟五十九案做主決議我們預算照列請行政部門加油第六十案到六十一、六十二我們一併討論其中政見財委員六十案改為主決議還有賴論委員要凍結五百萬跟章祺改為五百萬來請做說明"},{"start":5681.721,"end":5709.418,"text":"有關於這個60案到62案是委員關心我們在海外設立的海外商務中心他這幾年的利用率不是很高其實最主要的是因為受到疫情的影響我們的廠商到國外去洽工等等的這個次數都有減少在疫情之前大概平均的每一年使用的加次是400家那疫情之後呢其實到了去年年底"},{"start":5709.898,"end":5728.628,"text":"已經都回復到疫情前的水準到去年年底也是有390幾家我們會多加的利用相關的廣宣來讓我們的廠商持續的來利用海外的商務中心讓他們拓展相關的市場所以以上的這幾案建請免於凍結"},{"start":5733.969,"end":5744.765,"text":"各位同仁、代理人、委員我看到使用的加速不斷降低那如果剛剛蘇長說講的已經恢復到以前的話那我想這個部分我就支持那就改為主決議"},{"start":5745.728,"end":5769.414,"text":"好 61案改為主決議那我們60、61為主決議62案我們60到62案預算照列請行政部門加油好第63案先一份委員來要不要請行政部門先說來63案到64、65案有跟委員報告過而且沒有63案就歸63案"},{"start":5772.612,"end":5797.957,"text":"63案有跟謝委員報告過委員已經同意改為主決議而且有簽名我也再做說明因為其實我們是希望說因為目前臺灣的中小企業以及所有外銷的產業面臨到就是全球對於臺灣的地緣政治所產生的風險那我們江局長也同意"},{"start":5798.217,"end":5798.777,"text":"在這個部分我同意就是說如果我們就是貿易"},{"start":5826.627,"end":5826.987,"text":"613案經過詳細討論改為主決議"},{"start":5845.198,"end":5858.405,"text":"六十四案及六十五案新院委員、陳昌明委員兩位都同意改為主決議六十六案貿易推廣部分有陳林輝委員要檢列三千萬,行政部門請做說明"},{"start":5860.126,"end":5881.192,"text":"是 有關於66案到69案都是委員關心海外工程貸款利息補貼的這個計畫執行力不好希望我們要如實的估列所需的預算跟各位委員報告最主要原因其實我們很早就啟動這個計畫中間受到疫情影響"},{"start":5882.132,"end":5904.25,"text":"國外很多都這個封城也影響了相關案件的推動但是我們還是積極的跟各國新南向國家在這個洽商到目前為止已經有了目標國而且已經有了具體的這個個案現在呢正在跟目標國在做各項的研商包括"},{"start":5905.11,"end":5926.631,"text":"對於這個工程專業的相關的評估而且呢因為這個是必須要跟目標國的中央以及地方的相關政府做協商我們也希望能夠盡快的能夠跟對方的國家就各項細節達成共識所以請各位委員同意免於簡略以及凍結好陳金峰委員"},{"start":5932.11,"end":5947.16,"text":"第66案我想66案剛剛署長所講就是說我們在這個部分貿易推廣工作計畫尤其在南向部分其實到目前為止我們並沒有很清楚有一個比較大的計畫應該是這樣子"},{"start":5949.774,"end":5969.392,"text":"現在已經有比較具體的個案出來了是個案啊但是你要花到5億你要去做這些推廣、講述沒有那麼簡單是不是過去都沒有對過去都沒有現在有稍微有一點點雛形可是這個雛形有辦法去推動到所以5億嗎所以我認為齁"},{"start":5972.85,"end":6001.34,"text":"我會檢列的意思也是說起碼要大家不是每年拚五一五一可是沒有成效然後我們希望檢列之後檢列兩趴然後把這個計畫到底我們現在目標怎麼做現在稍微有一個雛形可是這個雛形我們的計畫是今年做到什麼程度明年做到什麼程度今年只是接洽因為今年也有嘛預算也有啊明年也有啊"},{"start":6002.04,"end":6030.644,"text":"所以今年勢必是不可能有執行的狀態所以今年執行的狀態是如何明年執行狀態是如何我覺得是不是要報一個這樣的一個報告給我們那我是建議要簡列兩part兩person好 行政部門再說明是我們一定會按照這個委員的指示來如實的這個估列我們所需的預算那我們也會把這個估算的這個情形呢跟委員做"},{"start":6031.3,"end":6046.673,"text":"提出一個書面的一個報告這個我們還是請委員能夠高抬貴手能夠不要簡略那我們一定會在這個最短的時間之內把這樣子的報告做出來提供給委員那個"},{"start":6048.054,"end":6075.693,"text":"主辦了那個你們應該不是什麼高台貴手不要講這種話齁因為這在國會裡頭你要把你們預計以委員質疑的這5億多你預計你要怎麼去精進怎麼做你應該要報告這個好不好來我們現在論文委員你再做回答我先請問一下現在66萬但是我69跟這個也是相關的這個是不是就我是不是要一併說明好不好因為我看到這個海外共工程的代理"},{"start":6076.494,"end":6082.243,"text":"我們是不是等一下那個跟67、68、69是同一類好不好在66來你要不要再說明那個"},{"start":6084.376,"end":6106.986,"text":"最主要呢這個因為還在跟對方的國家正在正在商討那這裡面的因為牽涉到我們的我們的這個商業銀行必須要跟國外的這個政府的機構要去談然後呢國外的政府也要出具相關的保證最後呢有我們的這個我國的廠商要去"},{"start":6108.066,"end":6109.447,"text":"中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":6125.451,"end":6152.376,"text":"主席我想我本來是要檢列3000萬我只有檢列1000萬而已因為基本上在過去到現在其實每年都有編單每年都沒執行那現在有一個雛形那我本來我們要檢列更多的但是既然有一個雛形但我覺得說你都沒執行從過去到現在那現在有一個狀態的話那我們鼓勵他所以我才檢列1000萬那我也同意說就是合併五億裡面檢列1000萬"},{"start":6154.836,"end":6183.364,"text":"不用在這個科目當中就是5億裏面檢驗1000萬好不好好這樣子就是後面這個啦就是貿易推廣工作計畫啦就是我合併到後面啦就是檢驗1000萬啦我的建議是這樣啦我補充說明一下啦現在那個署長回答的部分其實就是我們後面676869三個案所提的那個5億的工程補助的那個部分利息補貼的部分嘛是喔"},{"start":6183.604,"end":6207.146,"text":"那所以剛剛主席是說我們就是討論66萬但現在其實已經是討論6、7、6、8、6、9啦那這個賴瑞隆委員跟我都有提案齁而且我質詢的時候也特別問過所以如果說停飛委員建議就減列1000萬你們是不是能夠同意因為我覺得你們的執行已經連續5年其實都是零阿"},{"start":6208.067,"end":6230.183,"text":"那如果說你暫時減列1000萬我覺得對你們應該也不會造成太大的影響啦至少也能夠督促政府至少在這個部分能夠再去努力一些啦又或者是說你這樣子還是沒有的話那以後是不是也就不要再編列這個預算了或者用其他的方式去協助他們啦好不好"},{"start":6231.909,"end":6242.296,"text":"我也提一下事實上66到69我們在談的都同一件事情都是那個5億元的所以我想我們就一定談了事實上從107年編10億、108、09、101、12、5億到113、5億但事實上都沒有動用到當然這件事情還是應該持續來做但我的建議是凍結1000萬但我希望這個國貿署這邊還是要加速來做這個的一個推動"},{"start":6258.986,"end":6285.526,"text":"也不讓你沒有經費可動但是我認為這件事情還是應該積極來推啦不然連續這麼多年別人的經費額都沒有做使用這恐怕還是要好不好好那是不是這樣來我們如果各位同仁要將676869併在66案因為66案是大水庫676869是在裡面指向那如果剛剛大家討論的結果行政部門聽清楚就是在整個"},{"start":6286.466,"end":6292.888,"text":"整個19.1億的這個項目裡頭減列1000萬。好,OK齁?"},{"start":6292.888,"end":6297.409,"text":"是。好,那我們6667、6869在19.1894萬7千元的減列1000萬。那那個67案呢,政經財委員改為主決議。好。"},{"start":6307.912,"end":6319.617,"text":"來接下來能源研究發展基金基金用途的部分因為70、71案是同樣我們待會一併再討論72、73、74這三個我們併案討論有本席減略318萬那任委員減略100萬、冬節100萬還有陳立法委員減略50萬請做說明是這邊就談到我們能源基金的出國那我剛剛有說明因為"},{"start":6334.963,"end":6335.143,"text":"珍妮惠委員"},{"start":6357.167,"end":6370.047,"text":"請問你有編這個你應該是已經有目標性說我們需要要去哪邊取經了各位報告像離岸風電的話我們還是以歐洲為主那CCS的話其實會包括像美國或日本"},{"start":6371.428,"end":6398.978,"text":"其他像親人的話大概就會包括像日本的交流澳洲的交流或者是像加拿大的交流等等這些我們大概有一些目標的一些對象那因為你們這一次有征服大概1.3億倍那我想這個過去我們就已經也是這幾個重要的一些取經的對象那為什麼今年會特別這個明年要編的會特別再多出一倍多"},{"start":6399.578,"end":6419.638,"text":"對跟委員報告主要是因為我們現在也有很多的國家在跟我們做一些相關的經貿的討論的時候他們都會把這個能源轉型或淨零轉型納入到他們的相關的項目之一所以我們配合整個一個國家之間的一個經貿的對談的時候有更多的能源交流的需要所以我們大概也就相對應編了這個出國的相關預算"},{"start":6422.821,"end":6436.681,"text":"我預算就是這個圓裂我們去動但是麻煩你要一份資料就是說我們現在今年今年我們去的成效跟明年我們預計的成效一份報告給我"},{"start":6438.423,"end":6464.239,"text":"前面日人委員我想我也支持啦因為能源政策確實相當重要那不管是剛剛提到離岸或者是氫能甚至於CCS這個都是應該要去看那我預算上我就該主席預算上有支持但我也希望也把你未來要去看的是不是也一樣給我們一份資料好不好就一定要去看的那另外過去這三年來的一些報告是不是也給我們看一下好不好我覺得這些都是一個很進步的一些我也希望這些報告給我們一併來參考是"},{"start":6466.842,"end":6467.002,"text":"主席"},{"start":6473.991,"end":6485.459,"text":"好 那這個部分本席提案在72案裡頭就是將你們所增加380幾萬的當中減列318萬2千因為在我們的預算書裡頭我們看不出你們增加是要去哪裡那所以剛剛經過詳細的討論本席的提案也作為主決議那也請你們就依照剛剛的決議將你們預計要到哪裡的那個計畫送請我們經濟委員會"},{"start":6506.413,"end":6514.059,"text":"七十二、七十三、七十四呢七十二案、七十三案、七十四案改為主決議預算照列"},{"start":6520.304,"end":6527.912,"text":"經濟委員會及各委員：接下來75萬先鋒委員改為主決議76萬先鋒委員改為主決議77案是凍結10%針對能源研究發展工作計畫 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我們請下一份委員劉署長 其實你剛才沒有講得更詳細一點因為其實現在天然氣裡面也可以發氫氣"},{"start":7205.674,"end":7226.323,"text":"是不是對於相關的就是天然氣、發氫氣然後再利用碳捕捉的技術等等這相關的那這在某種程度上也比較符合就是未來近年的這個相關的規劃那因為畢竟目前新能源的就是說"},{"start":7227.584,"end":7241.297,"text":"干淨能源的產生以及來源供應的確全球都有不足的情況下那在不得已的情況下以耐天然氣來發清那是不是也是某一種程度"},{"start":7241.857,"end":7259.706,"text":"你說在國際組織上面對於像這種利用天然氣發青的這個到底算不算綠電以及它如果再加上碳捕捉技術是不是也符合就是說目前減碳的標準那你能不能說明一下是"},{"start":7260.826,"end":7284.459,"text":"謝謝委員,委員這專案實在是很專業確實天然氣因為是CH4甲烷它透過這個經過再造之後是可以鍛煉變成碳跟氫沒有錯但是因為它的來源是甲烷所以是CH4本身是含碳所以這含碳把它變成氫之後確實是要透過去碳的技術用CCUS或CCS把碳拿掉這個就是國際上所講的燃氫"},{"start":7286.54,"end":7289.322,"text":"在生能源的綠色電力去電解水電解水之後變成氫氣跟氧氣那個就是單純的綠氫"},{"start":7302.569,"end":7322.448,"text":"但是不管怎樣這個即使用天然氣變成燃氫它也是一個不含碳的電力所以我們在談說如果談淨零的角度來看這個也是一個需要發展的路徑所以我們也有用石油基金就這個相關的這個石油這個怎麼去產生氫氣這塊也是我們研究的一個重點那"},{"start":7323.369,"end":7345.957,"text":"根據報告就包括剛提到的在國外的這一些合作裡面也談國外也很多在發展這個濾清或者是燃清等等那要濾清跟燃清回到國內的情況來看的時候我們現在目前的再生能源主要還是供我們自己的產業使用量還不是很大將來在我們的國內的再生能源越來越多的時候"},{"start":7346.537,"end":7350.3,"text":"如果我們有多餘的氫氣確實可以用多餘的綠電來產生我們的氫氣之後儲存反過來講把這氫氣當作一個儲存的載體這個是有可能可以穩定我們整個電網的系統的"},{"start":7361.323,"end":7379.414,"text":"還有我還有一個相關的就是你能夠繼續給予委員會報告就是說就是未來我們天然氣混清的效率怎麼樣子提升這也是我們能源利用效率的提升再加上這也是減碳的成果"},{"start":7380.014,"end":7407.777,"text":"就是如果天然氣混清的確對減碳的效果是比較大的但是如果就是說發電的效率不彰的時候可能對於整體的就是說發電量或者是我們需求可能又會增加那怎麼樣子達到最適的配比就是天然氣混清怎麼樣達到最適的配比然後提高我們整體的發電效率"},{"start":7408.217,"end":7437.137,"text":"我認為這是未來需要積極去研究以及發展的項目因為當我們的發電效率不高的時候我們使用天然氣的數量可能就必須要增加那這也會相對的增加發電成本雖然即便是達到了減碳的效果那對於發電效率沒有增加的時候我們可能就是"},{"start":7437.637,"end":7464.754,"text":"也對於我們的電價沒有相關的注意好不好是 這個部分我們會注意那我們現在台電的這個混清計畫事實上就是在做一個試驗我們會用5%、10%去測試到哪一個才是它的最適規模因為我們現在的氫氣也還很貴然後混清之後對它的發電效率有一定的程度的影響所以我們會去做不同的試驗然後找出到出一個最佳組合讓對我們的電力系統最有利的一個狀態謝謝委員指導"},{"start":7466.515,"end":7485.985,"text":"最後我們請論委員我是建議因為現在淨零碳排其實是臺灣的目標也是國際的整個趨勢那我覺得其實所有的政府的一些施政當然都朝這個目標來前進那事由基金當然也不例外所以包括後面還有再生能源發展基金我比較傾向署長在談這個其實還是從淨零碳排的角度來處理會比較好一點"},{"start":7487.586,"end":7504.915,"text":"因為談到再生能源的話好像又把它框變成會混在一起我建議用淨零碳排的角度其實更高那事實上這些全部基金的目標都朝這個方向在前進嘛那但是以後我們論述會我建議用這樣的方式比較不會被外界去誤解好不好預算部分我沒有意見謝謝委員指導"},{"start":7506.556,"end":7529.795,"text":"好那在第85案我們經過詳實的討論那這個我們預算照列那也請這個行政部門加油那同時也請你們將我們研究的計畫你們現在預估要怎麼做的方式事辦的那也請表列出來給我們經濟委員會"},{"start":7531.997,"end":7539.044,"text":"因為這個目的就是全球都在討論這個問題那所有的企業界也都很緊張這能源問題所以如果更多的資訊可以告訴社會大眾那我們不管哪個方式哪個管道就大家去宣導讓國內可以更加安定"},{"start":7550.996,"end":7572.124,"text":"目的就是如此所以請你們在今年度所預計要怎麼做的方式事辦也好預計怎麼做請詳細書面資料送請經濟委員會接下來我們第86案、87案、88案、89案、90案其中88案正定在委員改為主決議行政部門請做說明"},{"start":7574.193,"end":7576.134,"text":"這部分是有關於電動機車的推動我們請採訪署來說明採訪署"},{"start":7590.441,"end":7613.986,"text":"主要原因還是在於市場上一些燃油機車的競爭但是在去年結束之後我們今年推出的政策包含除了既有產發屬的補助之外還會沒有像產業園區局一些碳權的一些煤核補助包含像開發的時候他需要做一些碳權的一些補助像雲嘉南還有高品地區我們跟產業園區一起合作來補助一台摩托車4000塊"},{"start":7615.086,"end":7629.676,"text":"後面還有在那個充電站、換電站的部分我會把一些比較非6度的部分會加碼補助它的一個設置那機車行部分目前的一些燃油機車跟電動機車的比例還是比較懸殊所以我們會引導這些像光養或是"},{"start":7630.436,"end":7658.492,"text":"做燃油機車廠的部分燃油車去開始兼賣兼修這些電動機車的部分那像Google這些像電動機車它也可以去進去社區店去服務它的燃油車或電動機車那最後之後我們還會再繼續加碼做一些像企業的合作像最近在台積電它會跟Google合作把這些電動機車放到新竹市去這是我們在產發組一起在努力的事情這個也建議說我們的委員給我們支持這些案子謝謝"},{"start":7659.232,"end":7684.111,"text":"好,謝謝行政部的說明,現在我們請邱議員先發言,繼續再蔡議員好,我請教一下,你們現在那個電動機車的那個補助案充電的跟換電的那個比例是多少那比如說在偏遠的山區,其實你們是不是應該鼓勵比較多是充電的電動機車而不是換電的電動機車"},{"start":7687.654,"end":7697.454,"text":"我舉例講齁比如說從寶萊從六龜的寶萊騎到六龜的市區要42公里他有可能那個電池一換好還沒有騎到家以後已經沒電了"},{"start":7698.769,"end":7719.085,"text":"所以你們在那種這樣子的充電式跟換電式的那個補助的比例或者是設置的比例上面是不是有能夠再去加強第二個我最近在調查因為有人來跟我陳情就是說有一些廠商啊我不要講哪一家啦他們現在提供的那個電池"},{"start":7720.666,"end":7749.467,"text":"整組其實是中國的中國製的我不知道你們有沒有去掌握到這些部分那如果是中國製的你們要不要繼續補助他還是說其實臺灣如果有這樣的研發跟製造能力為什麼不能夠優先補助臺灣製造的電池在充換電的比例的部分的確在因為現在在充電的車款目前是"},{"start":7750.902,"end":7751.022,"text":"發言委員"},{"start":7772.412,"end":7773.073,"text":"中央政府總預算案"},{"start":7788.365,"end":7788.725,"text":"大陸電池新是不准"},{"start":7807.93,"end":7828.485,"text":"是附屬在我們這裡面那過往我們是電池組是要在臺灣做產製但在112年之前是沒有規定用電池機但是中國大陸電池機但是現在已經全部禁止了這個部分我們也會來加強去查緝這個後市長跟工廠檢查的部分以上說明來賴理論委員不好意思參議委員再賴理論委員謝謝還有邱智文委員"},{"start":7832.123,"end":7834.686,"text":"好那我想請教我們現在對於這個電動機車的這個補助那看起來整個電動機車的這個產業目前是靠補助來跟傳統的這個機車"},{"start":7846.66,"end":7869.178,"text":"有競爭力那當然現在我看到的是說電動機車打出他的品牌但是這個品牌的背後卻是忽略了過去傳統的機車他們可能已經有包括上下游的一些產業鏈這中間包括修車包括這個機車的一些零件的一些替換"},{"start":7871.8,"end":7880.828,"text":"電動機車他在打品牌的時候他們卻忽略了這一塊所以你現在說我希望未來可以逐漸那幾家機車產業都走向電動機車阿不然你這樣犧牲的就是那些修車業阿"},{"start":7889.111,"end":7909.326,"text":"那所以變成說你又不能犧牲他們的情況之下你要推動電動汽車來取代傳統的機車然後達到你近鄰的一個目標這件事看起來就是很難了這沒搞因為我們還有那麼多在修車業那些都是就業都是需要就業的人數"},{"start":7910.667,"end":7936.336,"text":"那你們這樣到底有沒有辦法去跟這一些電動機車的產業說他們要怎麼創造他們的上下游產業鏈以及他們的這個產業鏈怎麼跟現有的這一些修車業來做一個搭配這看起來這一塊你們的研究計畫沒有在做阿你們給他們補足阿給他們在價格上有競爭力阿事實上他這個價格競爭力卻沒有辦法去取代過去傳統的家"},{"start":7938.101,"end":7940.043,"text":"那我這樣說你們應該清楚嗎?"},{"start":7940.043,"end":7957.875,"text":"所以我覺得這樣的你們的這個電動機車的這個推動應該有比較固定的一個做法還是你們只是價格補助然後沒有價格競爭力我想要再聽一下好 我們一併發言再請行政部門回答那接下來我們請誰?"},{"start":7957.875,"end":7965.08,"text":"那任委員 謝謝好 謝謝我想電動機車的這個補助的部分這個我們當然支持但我要提的是說"},{"start":7967.214,"end":7992.146,"text":"電動機車的部分它對整個環境的一些影響就是如果一些比較高空污的一些地區我認為應該多有一些些的補助跟誘因去支持他們更多替換我也常講比如在一些空污良好的地區也許電動機車本身是一個進步這個現代的象徵但是如果在一些空污嚴重地區它有可能就會對移動污染源去做一些降低那有可能它由鴻駭變菊井或者是"},{"start":7993.627,"end":8015.112,"text":"稍微降低對整個生理健康都有相當大的幫助那我認為政策引導上應該要給予更多的一些有一些調配啦這樣我認為才能達到整個目標特別是在這個是動用石油基金的狀況下的時候我認為對於煉油的一些場部分我們不可能請煉油廠不煉嘛那煉油的過程勢必會產生一些空汙的影響那應該對這些區域多一些些支持"},{"start":8015.752,"end":8044.839,"text":"讓他在電動這個機車的補助上面有一些更多的支持那如果這些更多的汰換成電動機車的時候也許對於當地的空污狀況就會有效的改善一方面也符合石油基金的目的一方面也對於當地的人民的這個影響或健康影響降到最低我希望這個部分能源署跟產發署能不能給我一份報告好不好就這個部分我認為要有一些差別的思考這個才能對整個達到最大的效益也有助於整個人民的一個健康"},{"start":8045.489,"end":8051.637,"text":"好 謝謝那我們請就這位委員我很納悶喔那個為什麼達成率那麼低阿"},{"start":8053.13,"end":8081.653,"text":"年一年這個補助大概有15億15億也算是一筆不小的數目跟你們設定的目標達成率落差之大你們去檢討為什麼每年落差都那麼大是你們這個計畫設定的太高還是補助進的太少這個你要說明一下不要說跟我說要達成多少目標卻達成率就不到五成"},{"start":8083.075,"end":8088.981,"text":"這個部分是交代不過去,你們提出一個改善的方法到底是問題出在哪裡,可能要說明一下"},{"start":8090.831,"end":8113.059,"text":"好 那在行政部門要做說明之前本席也提問也就是我們的達成率那有錢人家不來申請的那到底是預算多邊不需要還是我們的政策我們的執行面它是跟業者沒有辦法介面那現在早期就每一年都這樣子兩三成兩三成"},{"start":8114.52,"end":8123.388,"text":"那你們從補助油的部分是給他什麼修理的啊、修理的。 那那一修理的,爐內也不會壞掉。 那你們固定那一種東西,一樣修理的、修理的。 那你應該要去滾動式去檢討。 你今天補助的,那沒有那個有錢人家不要的啦。 民眾哭哈哈。"},{"start":8137.441,"end":8155.802,"text":"那你們應該負責任,而不是每一年就一樣我編列多少,我就是補助你油,我的自動車會這麼辛苦,都是最基層在其那你們預算已經沒有辦法執行,你補助的項目為什麼一定要每一年都一樣補助他修理的工具"},{"start":8157.335,"end":8185.547,"text":"早期20年、30年大家自動來修理那慢慢除了有這個電以外油的部分也很多一直推成住信他不修理直接買新的那你們要顧及兩個部分怎麼樣協助我們機車產業第二個也就是你們碳排的部分要怎麼樣讓油電去控好人家要怎麼樣願意去轉那你的電的部分從"},{"start":8186.747,"end":8212.101,"text":"疫情前的10幾%到疫情後攤平到疫情後到目前為止才8%多跟你們原先希望從根源攤牌的部分去補助資的已經不成比例了那你要怎麼樣協助我們的油也協助這個你補助的基金項目要滾動式去檢討你要補一個"},{"start":8213.482,"end":8216.805,"text":"就像守望相助隊你要給他補一個S腰帶、補一個指揮棒我如果連S腰帶、連指揮棒都沒有我怎麼成立這一隊?我的Auto My Tiem你每一年都給他補助這個修理的他沒有需要他當然囉嗦他不會來給你申請你已經達到不及五成的"},{"start":8234.721,"end":8240.826,"text":"這個要送討論欸你達到補助款不及五成你們還不去檢討已經多久一樣延續就是補助這個項目為什麼是這樣子的形態本席一直非常的納悶那第二個議題也就是說你們要進行攤牌怎麼樣去共好你要讓你現在已經可以"},{"start":8256.259,"end":8275.913,"text":"讓油的自動車站可以也共一起也有電你們也這樣子那他們能夠共好要怎麼共好甚至有人提出啊欸店面是我的啊我要賣你的店我有什麼優惠那你如果去鼓勵我的油油的自動車站你買一台這個這個你賣一台這個電動車你"},{"start":8281.016,"end":8308.769,"text":"也可以得到一兩千兩三千的一個補助那他是不是可能有更好的機率不知道很多人一直在替你們想方法但是我們本期聽不到從剛剛所有的委員熱心我們也希望要進行碳排但是你要讓我們的自動車這一些啊是國家最大的寶貝因為他給我們台灣四小龍創造了這個交通工具"},{"start":8309.429,"end":8327.374,"text":"所以你們應該要去滾動式檢討 你的補助項目不達五成的你要怎麼樣去討論 你把機車行邀來嘛 工會邀來嘛 你們的需求是什麼嘛哪有那個每一年立法院審過去的預算達不到兩三成 我們還在審 這個實在是離譜"},{"start":8333.696,"end":8341.679,"text":"對不對?第二個,你們要讓他們油電供好,他要怎麼樣提升?他這層電才八百萬,你怎麼樣碳排?對不對?你要怎麼樣讓他們可以進駐他的自動車站?兩邊因為他自有市場已經佔了七成多了嘛,你唯一從你的自現有市場裡頭去做供好的工作才能夠達到政府你所要的淨零碳排嘛。"},{"start":8359.945,"end":8366.611,"text":"錢要發在有用的身上,這陳如剛才本席有人提議的,你們應該是去把機車的工費、工費、我們的電動車的工費分別先去討論,它的需求是什麼。"},{"start":8376.238,"end":8384.343,"text":"沒有那個我本期再次第3次講沒有那個補助預算人家不要的啦你們跳去過騎騎我們的摩托車站的那什麼什麼的只有補助他修理的我那支路賴碼是是是當年給你申請你也說有問題對不對不要造假啦你預算已經不出去要去檢討啦好不好那各位同仁是不是這樣子齁在我們的預算裡頭"},{"start":8415.82,"end":8430.671,"text":"在我們的預算剛剛86案、87案、88案、89案、90案那90案陳昌明委員跟88案鄭天才委員都改為主決議那其中也有要減列4千萬也有減列500萬也有凍結500萬的也凍結10、凍結還有這個凍結5%的行政部門你們要不要再說明一下"},{"start":8441.548,"end":8441.568,"text":"333會不會繼續?"},{"start":8461.94,"end":8475.018,"text":"會不會退目前333在像電動機車業者所提到的要做加碼補助還有像資費還有像機車行的一些獎金的鼓勵部分我們納入在我們的計劃裡面因為我們在要去跟相關的車廠去做"},{"start":8476.92,"end":8479.542,"text":"這速度要快一點,因為我們幾天在機場在走的自動車站大家都挨挨叫"},{"start":8495.134,"end":8495.274,"text":"給他說明文齁"},{"start":8511.3,"end":8531.613,"text":"那比較偏向剛剛我們賴委員所提到的一些空污的部分的部分的確我們也會來做檢討剛剛提到了像他的一些車子部分是不是可以做一些加碼像我們剛剛提到我們開發高品地區的一些工業區我們也會來加碼都像環境部這邊有個碳泉底外我們會加碼到4000塊一台車就是等於原本7000再加上4000塊是今年我們在寫計畫了"},{"start":8534.517,"end":8545.311,"text":"7000再加什麼4000?4000是我們產業營區局開發園區的時候因為他有一些碳排他要去做那個黃坪承諾所以他要把那個 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這個"},{"start":8671.133,"end":8688.321,"text":"為什麼執行率達成率會那麼低有兩個原因第一個你補助的金額可能不夠第二個你誘因不足誘因不足又跟你補助金額可能這個還變得太少所以我要檢定你的預算我也沒辦法"},{"start":8689.662,"end":8703.677,"text":"所以我支持趙烈,但是我覺得你們要如何提高誘因,怎麼樣提高達成率,這個很重要所以我建議這筆預算可以用凍結500萬"},{"start":8706.299,"end":8723.737,"text":"提出消息輸入報告怎麼樣提高你們的誘因提高你們達成率動機500萬死的動之好謝謝來我們最後請參議員委員這個預算最後要怎麼編列那這個我都尊重但是我剛還是沒有聽到說我們電動機車跟傳統的燃油機車"},{"start":8727.925,"end":8753.087,"text":"這中間的競合,有就是燃油機車他如果要達到近零他要漸漸的走向退場那如果他要走向退場的話對於他相關的這個產業鏈怎樣釋放出來讓電動機車進入過去傳統的機車的產業鏈讓他可以無縫接軌這一點我沒有聽到你們任何的努力我剛剛都沒有聽到那我是覺得這個讓我很擔心"},{"start":8754.448,"end":8770.096,"text":"你們只是說把電動機車我再加碼給他更便宜讓大家去買那過去的傳統的那一些那一些車行的他們他們沒有誘因阿他們說你一次推動電動機車就經濟完美來要死了阿你對他們沒有交代阿"},{"start":8771.004,"end":8771.024,"text":"蘇貴昌議員"},{"start":8801.084,"end":8824.134,"text":"既有燃油車的機車行也開始打入,包含一些銷售獎勵,還有包含一些試車修理的一些工夫都會交給這些燃油車手。 你是說今年喔?今年開始?對,他們今年會有一千多家的這些傳統燃油,只修燃油車會開始教他。 我們會去看啦,我會再去看,但是我目前沒有感受到那些車行他們對於電動機車要進入市場他們的歡迎,他們幾乎都是抵抗的喔。 是。"},{"start":8826.109,"end":8843.766,"text":"現在討論到現在剛剛廠方署也說就是有廠家已經今年度開始會1000多家從單一的那個不可能因為有還是最原先最基本而且他們遍佈全台"},{"start":8844.746,"end":8866.4,"text":"現在電的他們產業界自己廠商都跑得比政府還快,他們願意共好。 電子車店內可以有油、有電、有油電。 大家融合在一起。這是企業界、產業界幫助我們政府在做。 那剛剛所說的這一些政府你協助他什麼?"},{"start":8867.495,"end":8888.799,"text":"所以就有人建議說說那你已經在你這一家autobike店裡面有油我也可以賣電我autobike店我管你要這樣做的時候你政府會合作我想你現在有補助民眾嘛買車的時候嘛那你有沒有補助我autobike店比如說我買一台電動車我買一台電動車你補我三千"},{"start":8892.22,"end":8897.304,"text":"我就是慢慢慢慢他們就一直融合一直融合有沒有可行性這樣我不知道"},{"start":8922.54,"end":8924.461,"text":"基金、水資源作業基金、水資源作業基金、水資源作業基金、"},{"start":8944.13,"end":8958.608,"text":"應該要因應人家所需要的你一直幾十年都這樣修理也太離譜了 對不對你們儘速去討論你補助的項目、你補助的金額、你補助的方式"},{"start":8959.729,"end":8974.874,"text":"要怎麼樣去達到共好跟淨零碳排剛剛所有的委員都提供了很多寶貴的意見你們趕快進速去跟這些工會去做討論你們大概多久會提出方案出來你們給一個時間吧"},{"start":8979.417,"end":9002.794,"text":"所以看你們在討論時間的時候我也敬請我們行政部門因為我們好不容易可以當到政府的官員是在為人民做事也為我們自己在做事因為我們都生活在台灣所以大家要用點心沒有幾十年來執行率都這種型的我們還不給他改變"},{"start":9004.071,"end":9017.479,"text":"對不對?因為公務人員應該勇於創新看求明末勇於創新啦好大概多久時間了?好主席我們大概2個月時間齁因為啦可能比較多的廠商還要對2個月時間這個我很贊同喔我們就是真正務實要做事啦好不好就2個月內請你們將跟油電工會所討論我們要怎麼樣達到淨零碳排讓我們的機車業者、油電"},{"start":9034.149,"end":9051.287,"text":"都能夠共好的方案兩個月內送交本委員會我願意給這麼長的時間就是請你們辛苦趕快去跟業者好好去討論因為我們制定出來的政策就是要讓執行者可以執行啊不然我們頂嘴還沒做還是一樣這1、20%笑話人生啊 對不對"},{"start":9056.793,"end":9083.849,"text":"那在這個部分呢我們就以各位同仁以兩個月的時間請他們跟相關單位跟相關工會去研討方案出來那也請財發署你們在討論的時候也可以要令其他工會出來我們經濟委員會大家都通知我們經濟委員會我們一起啊三方來討論好好去協調去討論出方向幫助我們的台灣嘛好不好你們要跟工會討論的時候一併通知我們經濟委員會是是"},{"start":9086.491,"end":9113.374,"text":"好不好,我們大家一起來努力所以以兩個月內的時間去研討這個方案出來那我們86案到90案其中有88案做主決議90案做主決議那預算凍結剛剛有委員提議凍結500萬等你們方案出來之後討論後使得動之好,各位同仁OK"},{"start":9115.175,"end":9138.101,"text":"謝謝來接下來我們91案跟92案並案討論請行政部門說明91、92是有關住宅能效這就是我們講的那個一級能效的家電補助冷氣跟冰箱那委員這邊主要的意見是說為什麼提早都用完了編的不夠那我這邊做個說明就是我們在規劃這個案子的時候是用過去的歷史資料太舊跟"},{"start":9138.821,"end":9139.822,"text":"接下來再生能源發展基金"},{"start":9164.585,"end":9170.349,"text":"那基金用途的部分我們939495案是通過我們待會再一併處理96、97、98案我們有提出凍結5000萬本席還有賴樂隆委員凍結500萬行政部門請做說明"},{"start":9183.018,"end":9201.716,"text":"是,那委員這邊關心的大概是我們的公民電廠的支用的成效沒有那麼理想那這邊跟委員報告就是公民電廠因為確實是要整合到我們整個的一個社區然後要整合到一個是社區一個是我們NGO團體等等這一些所以要到真正的能夠到落實發電需要有一些時間"},{"start":9202.677,"end":9222.205,"text":"那我們現在已經有一個個案已經走到我們的第二階段整合完成是在南寮地區這部分在陸續慢慢的會有成效出來所以這部分的公民電廠的推動我們會持續的努力是不是委員給我們支持我們的預算我們努力來做來各位同仁有沒有要發言那這個有我在阿"},{"start":9233.229,"end":9249.086,"text":"行政部門,其實凍結你們預算跟檢列對你們是沒什麼影響,但是本席還是尊重你們,因為你們實際上也做不了,所以本席還是鼓勵你們辛苦加油,但是你們目前已經有一個案子出來,"},{"start":9249.807,"end":9268.377,"text":"那你們在整個過程當中可以有怎麼樣去檢討你的流程可以怎麼樣簡化給民眾更方便這樣子你們應該藉由已經有一個二階的這個部分去做整體性的SOP流程去做討論那往後要做複製複製可能會比較快"},{"start":9269.217,"end":9279.585,"text":"我們有檢討過去的經濟部合作的事情。 好吧,那你們把你們檢討的方案也送交給經濟委員會。 是,好的。 好吧,那96案、97案、98案、96案楊瓊玉的作為主決議免利,然後我們預算照列接下來99案到106案各位同仁我們一併討論那其中有102案陳昌明委改為主決議,行政部門請做說明。"},{"start":9295.956,"end":9310.864,"text":"好這下面的主要是針對我們的一個地熱的一個補助那地熱的他的一個最大的風險就是在探勘所以我們編的這個經費是針對地熱開發的探勘補助那探勘補助因為前面的前期的作業程序比較繁瑣"},{"start":9311.784,"end":9337.058,"text":"所以過去執行的這樣的一個成績不如理想不過現在的我們手上有的24個申請案已經都陸續的開始做實質的專探工作後續如果這個產能測試完之後就可以做到實質的開發那這個補助款大概就可以撥出去所以有關地熱也是我們除了風光之外其實我們講說未來很重要的一個再生能源所以請委員會是不是支持我們地熱的經費能夠"},{"start":9338.539,"end":9365.073,"text":"不予凍結刪減讓我們來做推動地熱的工作以上好謝謝我們請邱應委員我請教一下齁你們那個地熱的補助你說現在已經有24個單位申請有24個申請案24個申請案那大部分是什麼呀是學校的研究呢還是沒有就是實際我們這個錢是補助給開發者開發業者如果他去做專探的話我們針對專探的費用我們最高可以補助到50%上限是1億"},{"start":9366.954,"end":9379.243,"text":"那他們在他們地熱的研究普遍是分布在哪些地方?地熱的研究的話其實我們是透過一些法人我就不佔用你們太多時間是不是可以給我一些詳細的報告好不好那預算我就支持了"},{"start":9380.506,"end":9408.883,"text":"好那經過詳實討論我們在99案到這個106案因為提案委員、邱映委員在現場那我們提案委員不在現場我們除了陳昌平委員第102案改為主決議我們尊重這個邱映委員就由凍結5%的改為不凍預算照列但是相關的資料請送交經濟委員會跟本委員會"},{"start":9411.145,"end":9416.409,"text":"中小企業發展基金 基金用途部分107案是通案 接下來108、109、110、111共同討論 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那個文字修正 這本來就是主決議啊 是 文字修正修正怎麼樣"},{"start":9622.04,"end":9639.739,"text":"文字修正我這邊念一下在倒數這個第三行的部分第二行的部分就是原要求經濟部於三個月內向本院經濟委員會提出書面報告一個月改三個月是好那我們照修正文字通過謝謝來接下來我們河南發"},{"start":9643.464,"end":9657.94,"text":"核能發電後端營運基金因為我們不休息一直到今天要處理的會議結束所以如果有生理需求請主動接下來我們核能發電"},{"start":9659.722,"end":9669.208,"text":"後端營運基金的部分基金用途140案通案我們待會再處理141案跟142案那這個政經財委員改為主決議那所以那個賴論委員不在現場我們就照案通過行政部門加油143案到147案政經財委員改為主決議那其他有三位"},{"start":9683.959,"end":9705.531,"text":"有三位委員所作的提案不在現場所以我們就預算照列行政部門家有148案到151案有三位委員所作的提案儲存計畫的部分因為不在現場所以我們就預算照列"},{"start":9706.992,"end":9735.324,"text":"那行政部門加有152案到155案的這個部分呢核能燃料最終處置場的部分有鄭天才委員、張其凱委員、陳庭菲委員還有賴瑞文委員那行政部門請做說明OK是總共在這裡跟委員報告的大概就是有關於用過核子燃料這個目前的這個儲存的計畫"},{"start":9736.738,"end":9759.51,"text":"那以邱委員、邱志偉、邱委員裡面他只要針對我目前來講所謂的用過核燃料的室外甘薯還有室內甘薯的這一部分的石塵的這一塊這一塊可能那這一塊來講其實到目前來講在今年度來講我們已經有比較好的做法目前那個麥克風拿高一點這樣聽不到"},{"start":9760.771,"end":9774.612,"text":"目前已經在合一廠的部分目前合一廠的部分大概已經跟新北市有一個初步的已經和解了已經和解那核二大概我們會比照合一廠的方式這樣來辦理所以相關的預算大概"},{"start":9775.999,"end":9793.542,"text":"今年大概都會順利來推動那室內乾除的部分目前合一場也在辦理一個招標的作業那接著合二合三場的室內乾除的部分我們也會接著做這是大概第一個說明所以肯定委員支持這部分大概免動那有關於"},{"start":9795.607,"end":9811.074,"text":"152案到155案各位同仁153案改為主決議那剛剛行政部門所說的提案委員、賴瑞文委員、曾經澤委員在現場那請問各位委員152案到155案"},{"start":9818.442,"end":9825.349,"text":"行政部門,你們剛剛所做的說明就是在今年度你們是可以執行之對,針對求委員的151案左右你說什麼我現在已經討論152案到155案了"},{"start":9842.95,"end":9845.793,"text":"我們現在所討論的是152案到155案153案改為主決議"},{"start":9867.287,"end":9872.396,"text":"你現在剛剛所說明的是你的預算可以執行之是151案還是152案到155案請做說明151案可以如期執行那152案的部分"},{"start":9882.247,"end":9908.219,"text":"他剛剛解釋的不對不對不對我們審預算還是不能太呼嚨還是要按照規矩你剛剛所談的是151案的部分嘛對不對可以執行之所以我們已經照原列數通過現在討論152案到155案用過核子燃料最終處置計畫所以我嚇一跳你剛剛跟我說你今年可以執行我嚇一跳來153案已經改為主決議請做說明"},{"start":9913.943,"end":9933.973,"text":"目前編列的目前來講目前有關於高放處置的這一部分有關於一些安全論證還有一些研究案都會如期的來執行因為這個東西是屬於持續性的工作所以肯定委員支持"},{"start":9935.414,"end":9949.887,"text":"所以換句話說152案到155案今年度你編列的2億6那是不可能有辦法執行嘛依照你們目前的進度是不是 是要講清楚啊你剛剛回答是152案到155案會執行我嚇一跳"},{"start":9954.071,"end":9958.958,"text":"是不可能的啊,所以你們現在只有這個什麼論壇啊什麼的嘛,對不對?"},{"start":9958.958,"end":9965.247,"text":"是,還有9...所以你的錢根本是每一年固定帳邊執行率不到一成嘛,是不是如此?"},{"start":9965.247,"end":9969.392,"text":"沒有,高放可以,高放去年大概八成左右"},{"start":9972.752,"end":9993.51,"text":"請問給我一個答案好嗎就是152萬到155萬你們用過核子燃料最終組織計畫你們預估今年度你可執行的預算是多少以去年來講去年大概執行到87%那今年我們也大概將近會到九成九成以上為什麼理由去年八十幾成你現在可以九成 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