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他是民間團體怎麼辦呢我們會那個要求他們因為你要知道你一定比我強"},{"start":677.705,"end":697.232,"text":"清楚知道說就算他不是醫師了沒有植燈了但他如果是這個呃理事長覺得婦產科醫學會理事長的話他等於是還是擁有很大部分決定這個產業然後會接觸到很多這個產業的醫師包含女性醫師的這個情況所以我想要最後問一下部長針對他仍然是呃這個"},{"start":699.773,"end":719.955,"text":"理事長身份我們能夠怎麼樣來處理如果那個部長那個勞動部長有好的方法的話也幫我們說明一下那就是你們看兩位他作為一個民間團體但你已經確定說這是一個等於是說他針對婦產科學會的醫學會然後他的會員裡面可能很多都是被他所騷擾過的"},{"start":721.876,"end":736.822,"text":"這個女性然後他們還要服膺在這個理事醫學會底下然後理事長是這樣子的一個人我們有沒有任何辦法請他離開他的本職如果有法律我們依法辦理如果沒有法律的話我們會欠他們禁訴改選"},{"start":737.932,"end":760.445,"text":"你會勸他們進出來選給我一個期限我要一個期限你們要多久之間辦理完成因為我怕我離開這個質詢台之後他又告訴我講說沒有啦我沒有這件事啊現在就是這樣我們會把告訴他們的情況以及他們的婦產科的回應隨時跟委員報告你需要多久你給我一個時間我們因為我也不了解說他們的"},{"start":761.685,"end":787.57,"text":"因為他們要開臨時理事會嘛才有辦法去做嘛所以他可能要有一點時間但是這個過程我們隨時跟委員報告好不好就是說我們已經什麼時候跟他們講了他們怎麼回應什麼時候要開臨時理事會好 謝謝那剩下法規齁如果有大家覺得有不夠周延的地方也拜託我們的勞動部跟我們的這個衛福部這邊好好的來研析希望下一次不要再有這樣的情況發生了謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:10:00.161000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:10:00.801000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，我們先請洪申翰部長好嗎？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-02T14:10:00.801000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T14:10:01.801000+08:00","text":"洪部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T14:10:00.881000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:10:00.881000+08:00","text":"徐委員好。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:10:00.901000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:10:00.941000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:10:00.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:10:01.902000+08:00","text":"您是勞團出身的，請問您知道今天勞團在我們立法院前面有抗議嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T14:10:01.902000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:10:01.942000+08:00","text":"我知道。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:10:01.982000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:10:02.682000+08:00","text":"他們抗議的內容是什麼？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T14:10:02.682000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:10:02.963000+08:00","text":"今天主要針對國定假日嘛！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:10:03.063000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:10:03.603000+08:00","text":"國定假日，他們的訴求是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:10:25.662000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:10:37.727000+08:00","text":"我希望其他人不要幫部長回答這個問題，因為他是勞團出身的，所以當今天在我們立法院的現場有勞團抗議的時候，我覺得你有責任知道他們抗議的內容是什麼。","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T14:10:37.727000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:10:40.128000+08:00","text":"主要是跟7天國假有關。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:10:40.268000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:10:40.668000+08:00","text":"7天國假。對。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:10:41.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:10:52.440000+08:00","text":"他們抗議的是說還我7天假，想問一下洪申翰部長，過去支不支持7天假？過去？對啊！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:10:52.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:10:57.962000+08:00","text":"你在做立法委員的時候，或者是你在民間團體的時候，你認不認同應該要放7天假？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:10:59.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:11:06.005000+08:00","text":"7天假被拿掉這件事情，對勞工來說是一件很負面的事情，而且臺灣勞工的工作實在是太辛苦了。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T14:11:07.866000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:11:10.747000+08:00","text":"就我現在的工作來說……","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:11:10.747000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T14:11:11.747000+08:00","text":"我問你過去。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T14:11:11.127000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:11:15.249000+08:00","text":"我認同應該要儘量地減少工時的負擔。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:11:15.249000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:11:15.969000+08:00","text":"好，那現在呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T14:11:15.969000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T14:11:18.216000+08:00","text":"現在也是啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:11:18.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:11:22.660000+08:00","text":"那你支不支持把7天的國定假日還權於民，還給勞工？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T14:11:22.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:11:27.263000+08:00","text":"我還是支持怎麼樣來協助勞工減少工時上的負擔。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:11:27.263000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:11:28.484000+08:00","text":"不，我問的就是這7天假嘛！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:11:28.844000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:11:30.726000+08:00","text":"因為勞團今天來問的就是7天假嘛！","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:11:31.487000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:11:37.051000+08:00","text":"所以我們不談別的，我們就談這7天假，7天假還還是不還？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:11:37.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:11:39.253000+08:00","text":"勞動部現在的立場是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T14:11:39.253000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:11:46.031000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，因為確實國定假日現在的法規主要是在內政部，主管的法規是在內政部，那……","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:11:46.311000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:11:49.493000+08:00","text":"我要問你勞動部長的想法，我才能去跟內政部做溝通啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T14:11:50.494000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:11:53.096000+08:00","text":"當然我們會把現在勞工的各種聲音讓內政部知道，但是目前法規的……","quality":0.607},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:11:53.196000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:11:55.017000+08:00","text":"所以你贊成還是不贊成嘛？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T14:11:55.017000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T14:11:56.017000+08:00","text":"目前法規的……","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:11:55.778000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:11:59.820000+08:00","text":"不要講目前的法規，我問你作為一個勞動部長的意見。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T14:11:59.820000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T14:12:00.820000+08:00","text":"不是，這個是法規的問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:11:59.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:12:04.664000+08:00","text":"我問的是你作為勞動部長，你看到所有的勞工有這麼長工時的狀況之下，勞動部長的意見為何？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:12:04.824000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:12:05.024000+08:00","text":"這很重要啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T14:12:09.146000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:12:11.087000+08:00","text":"徐委員，我當然支持如何降低……","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:12:11.307000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:12:11.487000+08:00","text":"支持什麼？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T14:12:12.327000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:12:14.648000+08:00","text":"支持降低勞工在工時上的負擔。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:12:14.648000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:12:23.330000+08:00","text":"所以你支持降低勞工工時下降，但不代表你支持恢復7天的國定假日，我可以這麼解釋嗎？","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T14:12:23.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:12:26.791000+08:00","text":"我支持降低勞工在工時上的負擔。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:12:27.559000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:12:32.105000+08:00","text":"但是你不一定支持7天假還給民眾，不一定要是7天假。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T14:12:32.105000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T14:12:33.105000+08:00","text":"因為現在國定假日的部分，它是在其他的主管部會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:12:32.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:12:33.206000+08:00","text":"沒有，我問的是你的態度嘛！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:12:33.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:12:35.468000+08:00","text":"你先假設其他的主管機關都願意放行的時候……","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T14:12:35.468000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T14:12:36.468000+08:00","text":"我就說了……","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:12:35.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:12:36.470000+08:00","text":"你支持還是不支持嘛？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T14:12:36.470000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T14:12:43.718000+08:00","text":"我支持降低勞工在工時上的負擔。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:12:43.718000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:12:45.440000+08:00","text":"所以你還是不敢講出支不支持7天假。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:12:46.221000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:13:00.097000+08:00","text":"好，沒關係，我接下來要問的是別的問題，主要就是剛才王正旭委員他也非常關心的，有關於性騷醫師的問題，邱泰源部長也歡迎您一起到臺上，我們一起來就教。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:13:01.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:13:20.130000+08:00","text":"在12月16日這件事情被爆出來的時候，陳昭姿委員也提到了，這麼長時間性騷擾的醫師竟然還在婦產科執業，而且他傷害的很多都是其他的醫師，這是職場上的性騷，邱泰源部長當時有說，涉及性騷事件依照性平三法處理，經司法判決確定，於執行業務出現違反學術倫理行為，依醫師法第二十五條規定，由醫師公會或主管機關移付懲戒，但是沒有啊！","quality":0.518},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:13:20.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:13:20.210000+08:00","text":"為什麼沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:13:20.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:13:21.211000+08:00","text":"勞動部長應該最清楚，為什麼沒有辦法做到？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T14:13:38.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:13:39.144000+08:00","text":"移付懲戒為什麼沒有……","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:13:39.324000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:13:54.833000+08:00","text":"這是邱泰源部長在12月16日說的，依性平三法處理，經司法判決確定，有違反醫學倫理行為，依醫師法第二十五條，由醫師公會或主管機關移付懲戒，為什麼他所做的這些事情後來都沒有辦法做到？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:13:55.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:13:55.454000+08:00","text":"原因是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:13:56.034000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:13:56.595000+08:00","text":"你最清楚。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T14:13:57.155000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:13:58.016000+08:00","text":"這是醫師法的規定吧！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:13:58.677000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:14:01.940000+08:00","text":"你最清楚為什麼沒有辦法做到這些事情，為什麼沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:14:03.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:14:10.789000+08:00","text":"性平三法是走在前面，他說性平三法走完之後，司法判決確定之後，然後依醫師法第二十五條，性平三法是第一個，所以我要先問你，為什麼沒有？","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T14:14:13.441000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:14:14.421000+08:00","text":"為什麼沒有什麼事情？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:14:15.122000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:14:26.446000+08:00","text":"為什麼性平三法沒有辦法處理完這個案件，然後公布於社會之後，為什麼這個人繼續在擔任婦產科醫學會的理事長？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T14:14:26.846000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:14:35.129000+08:00","text":"跟徐委員說明，性平三法，主要應該是用性工法去處理。","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:14:35.129000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T14:14:36.129000+08:00","text":"來，我們看一下投影片。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T14:14:35.329000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:14:37.750000+08:00","text":"性工法處理的是相關的流程跟通報的機制。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:14:38.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:14:53.525000+08:00","text":"好，性工法第十三條裡面寫到，雇主因接獲被害人申訴而知悉性騷擾情形之後，開始調查以及予以懲處，請問本案有人擔任被害人嗎？","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T14:15:00.442000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:15:19.789000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員垂詢，這個部分因為他工作的場域是在臺大醫院，所以臺大醫院得到消息以後就立即展開調查，同時也給予考績懲處，然後再送到臺灣大學，臺灣大學也一樣，我今天早上大概有談過好幾次了，會經過性別平等委員會……","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:15:23.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:15:47.713000+08:00","text":"不是，邱部長，我現在在問洪部長，我在問的是性別平等工作法，性工法裡面的內容有講到，要有申訴人才能做懲處，然後那個申訴人才能得到相關案件的報告結果，但因為本案你們堅持沒有申訴人，所以沒有辦法進行下去。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2025-01-02T14:15:48.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:15:50.157000+08:00","text":"徐委員，沒有申訴人也可以進行調查。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:15:50.458000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:15:51.719000+08:00","text":"那現在調查結果怎麼樣了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T14:15:53.622000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:15:54.683000+08:00","text":"調查結果應該由……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:15:55.063000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:15:57.185000+08:00","text":"公布了嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T14:15:57.185000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T14:15:58.185000+08:00","text":"吳院長要不要來說明？","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:15:57.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:16:05.391000+08:00","text":"我們追查了老半天，你們都是告訴我說因為沒有申訴人，所以什麼都不能公開哦？","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T14:16:06.632000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:16:07.853000+08:00","text":"委員是垂詢C教授的事情嘛？對啊！","quality":0.357},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:16:08.594000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:16:09.634000+08:00","text":"現在調查結果為何？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:16:10.255000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:16:11.356000+08:00","text":"公布了嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:16:11.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:16:13.838000+08:00","text":"為什麼這個人目前還在做婦產科……","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T14:16:13.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:16:20.202000+08:00","text":"臺大醫院在6月的時候已經完成調查……","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:16:20.202000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T14:16:21.202000+08:00","text":"完成調查。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T14:16:20.463000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:16:20.483000+08:00","text":"送考績會懲處，懲處是記……","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:16:20.683000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:16:21.643000+08:00","text":"送考績會懲處，相關的報告去識別化公布了嗎？","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2025-01-02T14:16:21.643000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-02T14:16:22.643000+08:00","text":"兩大過。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:16:21.643000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:16:22.124000+08:00","text":"兩大過我知道，去識別化以後公布了嗎？","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:16:22.124000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:16:49.702000+08:00","text":"因為很多受害者在等待這份報告，他們當初不敢以受害者的身分出來申訴，但是他們想要知道這份報告的結果，可是我們現在怎麼追都追不到，你們也不願意提供給我們，因為你說我們不是受害者，所以不提供給我們。","quality":0.989},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:16:49.702000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:16:56.707000+08:00","text":"我相信蘇清泉醫師也好，陳昭姿醫師也好，王正旭醫師也好，陳菁徽醫師也好，都跟你們要過了，什麼東西都沒有！","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:16:57.307000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:16:58.288000+08:00","text":"主席，我講得沒錯吧？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"吳院長明賢","start":"2025-01-02T14:17:01.706000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:17:14.269000+08:00","text":"倒不是我們調查沒有出來，已經調查出來，而且也做懲處，但是去識別化，其實當初在我們那個委員會裡面也有討論過，其實那個很容易就知道誰是受害人，even你把它……","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:17:15.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-02T14:17:18.730000+08:00","text":"其實你們還沒公開的時候就已經被週刊寫了啦！","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-02T14:17:18.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