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案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第"},{"start":2679.11,"end":2700.958,"text":"那我們接下來請機關代表報告發言時間3分鐘請國家通訊傳播委員會陳主任委員報告主席各位委員各位"},{"start":2704.159,"end":2716.371,"text":"來賓各位媒體大家早安今天本會受邀是大院司法法制及交通委員會的聯席審查會議提出報告"},{"start":2718.032,"end":2744.411,"text":"是針對傅崐萁委員等33人所擬具的國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條修正草案等版本。」因為版本的議題很多,本會經過整理,只要回應如下,因為只有三分鐘的時間,詳情的部分請各位委員參閱書面報告。針對此次修正的各個版本,本會的意見如下,"},{"start":2745.795,"end":2770.088,"text":"第一本會委員會是由大院關於修正當中本會委員由大院政黨比例分配推薦名單或組成人與司法院四制第613號解釋意旨不符。」我想各位這個部分來講的話剛才很多委員都有提到四制613號解釋那四制613號解釋的主要意旨是本會委員人事提名權是歸屬於行政權"},{"start":2771.188,"end":2784.906,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案﹚立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 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案。另外本會主任委員及副主任委員有行政院長提名大運同意,這是應屬適當的。這個跟中選會跟公平會等獨立機關的任命方式是相同的。最後一點,有關於委員個人權利的部分,修正版本裡面有提到本會委員離職後三年內不得擔任公職人員或代表政黨參選的規定是有違憲法保障人民參政權的意旨。事實上是"},{"start":2911.994,"end":2931.021,"text":"所謂的赤駝公權且有不當廉潔之餘。以上,基於現行組織法和以憲法權力設計的要求,依循現行任命本會委員。以上報告,謝謝。好,謝謝。好,呃...機關代表報告完畢,那其餘機關報告請參閱書面。相關的書面報告內容列入公報記錄。"},{"start":2941.888,"end":2967.719,"text":"現在提案說明以及機關報告都已經進行完畢現在開始進行詢答今天由於是司法及法制、交通兩個委員會的聯席會議那兩會聯席總共有28位委員因此詢答時間我們依照過去的往例本聯席會委員詢答時間是6分鐘"},{"start":2971.36,"end":2994.274,"text":"非聯席會委員尋答時間為三分鐘,均不再延長上午10點30分截止發言登記。那我特別說明,如果有臨時提案,也請於10點30分前提出,一律於11點處理。」主席這邊再跟各位重申一次,"},{"start":2995.744,"end":3020.195,"text":"依據立法委員行為法第七條請各位委員在本次會議中能夠遵守主席所作的才事還有不要任意的辱罵或進行人身攻擊還有一件重要的事情就是不要發言干擾他人的發言"},{"start":3021.377,"end":3027.082,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一．二）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具"},{"start":3044.485,"end":3060.932,"text":"如果有不熟悉的麻煩參照立法委員行為法第七條或是來這邊我有這本可以借大家看好謝謝各位接下來我們請登記第一位的黃國昌委員發言"},{"start":3083.403,"end":3098.611,"text":"無線麥克風的跟我講然後我會拿出來我這邊宣告一下有一支無線麥克風如果今天各位委員發言的時候有需要用到無線麥克風的時候跟我講一下我們會隨時拿出來"},{"start":3114.195,"end":3119.14,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":3129.301,"end":3153.104,"text":"本月交通委員會成立禁電視必依案吊唁小組,NCC回覆拒絕提供資料。請問是誰給你的指示?這個我們沒有拒絕,我們只是公文說請離新那個重要業室。這個公文這樣回覆是誰給你的指示?這我自己決定的。你自己決定的?NCC是你自己可以決定的嗎?來看一下你今天的書面報告第二頁。看一下書面報告第二頁。"},{"start":3154.105,"end":3182.609,"text":"本會採多數決決務證務．這件事情是你陳耀祥一個人可以決定的嗎?提供這些相關是屬於行政事務的部分所以說我們在做這個行政存擔你直接啊把整個NCC拉起來跟立法院對幹結果竟然是你個人的決定我再問一次啦NCC是合意制還是首長制是合意制合意制還有行政事務為什麼你一個人可以決定合意制有行政事務啊"},{"start":3183.493,"end":3191.255,"text":"這個本來就行政事務啊!提供資料什麼不是行政事務啊!這個資料我們讓委員通過啊!看到什麼?本來就合意制嘛!第二個!第二個!大家安靜!安靜下來!安靜!沒有!我跟你們講!資料給你們!資料什麼?"},{"start":3210.219,"end":3216.817,"text":"大家冷靜下來好不好我剛剛已經特別說了麻煩尊重一下主席"},{"start":3218.442,"end":3227.405,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案案案案案"},{"start":3248.291,"end":3252.738,"text":"立法院第14屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案案。"},{"start":3260.543,"end":3265.487,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具"},{"start":3280.981,"end":3284.525,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":3304.495,"end":3330.1,"text":"三）委員蔣委員現在是莊委員要問問題還是我可以問問題?現在是黃委員他詢答的時間所以我剛剛請莊委員麥克風要關掉黃國昌委員在講的我沒在干擾啦是他去的時候我要跟你講啦好謝謝謝謝這樣我就好謝謝莊委員那我們接下來就會議繼續進行不好意思喔在繼續開始以前我想請教一下主席喔"},{"start":3332.75,"end":3353.104,"text":"請備詢的官員在我在問問題的時候等我把話講完我沒有請你回答以前請你不要任意插嘴這個基本的秩序可以守住嗎我請教一個問題請教主席你問我可以請不要反諮詢黃委員我們諮詢新司法裡面所謂急問急答的話那是要"},{"start":3354.487,"end":3359.009,"text":"詢問的委員來決定還是主席來決定還是我們要看情況來回應問題。」主席這樣規則清楚了嗎?"},{"start":3383.098,"end":3395.177,"text":"我已經講了很清楚了接下來我們就按照這樣處理好謝謝主席喔來請教一下主委啊你今天到司法跟交通聯席委員會來以前你先去了什麼地方"},{"start":3396.36,"end":3403.742,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會第12屆第13屆第14屆第15屆第16屆第17屆第18屆第18屆第19屆第19屆第20屆第21屆第21屆第22屆第21屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22"},{"start":3425.127,"end":3446.508,"text":"溝通法案 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案。"},{"start":4714.062,"end":4741.157,"text":"剩下三個副主委是立法院來任命。這徹底剝奪行政院的權利。這徹底違憲。二）委員你老公是大法官了。這樣的法案免得提了出來。今天我們在這裡要談一個很清楚的事情。法官商在那裡表演,黑野狗沒辦法抓。前一陣子沒有講到核心問題。這是作秀。"},{"start":4742.476,"end":4767.619,"text":"我一直希望他出來打球來好好做憲政辯論、憲法辯論、版本的辯論他一直在呼喚國民黨他怎麼呼喚就要來講清楚吧你以為你要黃國昌兩個加起來天下無敵國家在你們兩個掌控中國家要肥在你們兩個惡極必反我要告訴你不要作惡多端"},{"start":4772.625,"end":4774.626,"text":"公共商業實驗法令,我們拿來拼負負擋範。」"},{"start":4794.195,"end":4813.393,"text":"我先簡單回應一下就是這個會議我們還是希望會議進行順利那今天的排案一切依照規定排案請柯總召或其他委員不用刻意去做錯誤的解讀第二個審查結果我們一切依照聯席委員的審查結論"},{"start":4815.344,"end":4837.077,"text":"所以說也不要做刻意帶風向的解讀第三個柯總召小弟我書念的不多那我國是成文法國家那如果我們今天的排案有任何違法或違憲的地方再麻煩柯總召會後能夠開示一下讓我瞭解到底我今天排的案子哪裡違法哪裡違憲說這個"},{"start":4840.439,"end":4853.078,"text":"NCC委員的名單提出來然後我們今天審遊戲規則如果這個有任何違法或違憲的地方再麻煩跟小弟我開示一下謝謝柯總召那我們接下來請陳俊宇委員發言"},{"start":4873.274,"end":4875.519,"text":"好謝謝主席我們有請陳主委麻煩主委謝謝"},{"start":4880.314,"end":4903.176,"text":"主委早委員長我們今天要審查的是NCC委員的人事提名還有我們相關組織法的修正草案那當初我們設立NCC組織法的第一條裡面有寫到這個其中的幾項第一項就是要落實憲法保障的言論自由謹守黨政軍退出媒體的這種精神"},{"start":4903.857,"end":4922.265,"text":"第二條是要促進通訊傳播健全發展維護媒體專業的自主第三是有效辦理通訊傳播管理事項確保通訊傳播市場公平有效的競爭第四是保障消費者及尊重弱勢權益第五是促進多元文化的均衡發展"},{"start":4922.705,"end":4935.544,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案件,並提升國家競爭力等等。那我想請教我們陳主委就是您在任期內對於上述的這幾項您認為在您任期內有幾項已經達到了"},{"start":4937.011,"end":4940.615,"text":"立法院第11會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具"},{"start":4957.614,"end":4970.904,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案件,並擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案件,並擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案件,並擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案件,並擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案件,並擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四"},{"start":4978.85,"end":5004.452,"text":"所以對於任期內我們剛剛講的這部分應該在主委的這個作為方面應該都有落實都有的在我們相關的制度都有好那我還是回到我們今天要討論的這個人事提名的部分那就我們現行的組織來看我們委員是編制7人那任期4年任滿得連任由行政院長提名並經過立法院同意後任命"},{"start":5005.233,"end":5024.094,"text":"那現行的制度設計確保NCC的專業和獨立性我想請教我們主委若我們這個改成照立法院政黨的比例來推派的話那可能有違大法官解釋的這個意旨之外還可能會對我們NCC造成什麼樣的影響"},{"start":5024.855,"end":5040.627,"text":"立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第15會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第17會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第18會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第19會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第20會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第21會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第22會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第22會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第23會期"},{"start":5045.911,"end":5047.692,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":5074.19,"end":5095.419,"text":"所以內部上來講對整個這個制度對獨立機關本來本質上就有抵觸然後對政務上的推動是有所不利好那我們這一次送審的這個名單是四位嘛對要這個要更替的是四位是那假設這四位如果沒有順利通過的話未來對我們NCC推動的過程裡面會造成什麼樣的影響"},{"start":5096.147,"end":5122.569,"text":"這個就是因為我們組織法裡面規定說如果新任的還沒有只會順利產生就任的時候由原任的委員繼續留任就是這樣就避免這個所謂的我們的整個政務會中斷的問題我舉一個例子來講的話我們NCC呢每一年大概有好幾萬件的這種行政處分各位可以看可能大家都只是關注到所謂電視的什麼深色換照啦電信業者合併其實很重要比如說像我們手機"},{"start":5123.57,"end":5127.453,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案件,以及其他通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條及其他通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條及其他通訊傳播委員會組織法"},{"start":5140.913,"end":5144.717,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案案例"},{"start":5161.314,"end":5180.071,"text":"我認為我們NCC作為掌管我們國家的通訊傳播事業的獨立機關我們都同意在人事上應該以專業為重也要超越黨派同時尊重NCC委員們所擁有的專業以及代表的多元價值"},{"start":5181.793,"end":5202.314,"text":"國會也應該基於權力分立的這個原則來尊重憲政體制下的這個職權的行使在符合權責的相符的界限下我們共同來監督還有制衡行政部門的這個施政應該朝向這個目標我相信NCC在推動的這個過程應該會更加順遂吧"},{"start":5204.096,"end":5212.386,"text":"那對於說這個主委您在7月份即將到任那您對後續的NCC有什麼期許?"},{"start":5213.291,"end":5225.436,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案件,並擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 案件,並擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 案件,並擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 案件,並擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 案件,並擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第十"},{"start":5241.203,"end":5244.586,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案"},{"start":5263.622,"end":5265.863,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":5292.39,"end":5314.429,"text":"主席請恩熙熙陳主委麻煩主委委員長主委我必須要先聲明一下當立法委員尊重官員是基本的禮數我希望官員也不要一意孤行的就搶著打法這一點"},{"start":5315.58,"end":5337.309,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）立法院第12屆第13條條文修正草案．一）立法院第14條條文修正草案．一）立法院第15條條文修正草案．一）立法院第16條條文修正草案．一）立法院第17條條文修正草案．一）立法院第18條條文修正草案．一）立法院第18條條文修正草案．一）立法院第19條條文修正草案．一）立法院第20條條文"},{"start":5338.973,"end":5359.549,"text":"所以我希望主席裁定的我不希望我在執行的時候你來講話我也不希望我都不給你時間講話這一點我希望我執行的個性我坦白跟主委聲明一下第一個立法委員提案我個人的看法"},{"start":5360.903,"end":5363.704,"text":"理所當然、職權所在。」"},{"start":5383.371,"end":5397.949,"text":"消化。」所以我希望我希望主委不要因為別人的護航而影響你的判斷立法委員提案是天經地義的事也是他的天職第二個我要澄清"},{"start":5399.318,"end":5425.22,"text":"我們調閱小組競電式調閱小組是依照法令我們執行行使法的45條當中授權委員會而產生所以包括組織還有運作的所有規定還有調閱的範圍通通都是開會通過不是我林國成一個人去做決定"},{"start":5426.241,"end":5442.032,"text":"甚至於現在我們要回你的文我們都等開會以後我們才會回你的文所以這個我必須要特別的去強調我們是依照我們的執行法我們去行使這一點我特別"},{"start":5442.432,"end":5444.214,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":5460.296,"end":5479.832,"text":"回歸正傳主委大家都知道啦你們名單NCC的名單已經提出這個叫做什麼壓線提出了無新意可是這裡又有一個陰謀我希望主委知道的你就回答不知道的你就說不知道"},{"start":5480.945,"end":5487.828,"text":"立法院第四條條文修正草案．立法院第四條條文修正草案．立法院第四條條文修正草案．"},{"start":5502.847,"end":5524.214,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第15會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第17會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第18會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第19會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第20會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第21"},{"start":5526.906,"end":5531.449,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期"},{"start":5547.898,"end":5549.998,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十三條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":5573.462,"end":5582.224,"text":"條文修正草案．一）立法院第十三條條文修正草案．一．立法院第十三條條文修正草案．一．立法院第十三條條文修正草案．一．立法院第十三條條文修正草案．一．立法院第十三條條文"},{"start":5599.688,"end":5614.635,"text":"立法院第14屆第11會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16屆第18屆第19屆立法院第20屆立法院第21屆立法院第31屆立法院第32屆立法院第33屆立法院第34屆立法院第36屆立法院第37屆立法院第38屆立法院第39屆立法院第40屆立法院第40屆立法院第41屆立法院第41屆立法院第42屆立法院第42屆立法院第43屆立法院第44屆立法院第45屆立法院第46屆立法院第47屆立法院第48屆立法院第49屆立法院第49屆立法院第50屆立法院第50屆立法院第"},{"start":5627,"end":5641.961,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第14條條文修正草案．立法院第14條條文修正草案．立法院第15條條文修正草案．立法院第16條條文修正草案．立法院第17條條文修正草案．立法院第18條文修正草案．立法院第19條文修正草案．"},{"start":5642.662,"end":5659.489,"text":"所以你竟然還指責我們調的通通都是重要議案跟媒體有關人民有關的當然都是重要議案啦所以我跟你講你既然可以認定那為什麼你不認定什麼可以給什麼不能給為什麼通通不給"},{"start":5660.029,"end":5672.523,"text":"立法院第16屆第11會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16屆第18會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第17會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第18會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第18會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第19會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第20會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第21會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第22會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第23會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第24會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第25會期"},{"start":5679.751,"end":5688.596,"text":"不要成為有史以來NCC的主委是最爛的爛官這是我必須給你一個鼓勵好不好謝謝主席有請主委麻煩主委"},{"start":5710.425,"end":5733.998,"text":"委員長主委今天質詢你我只問一個問題就好了你知道我問什麼問題嗎我不知道對我就只問你這個問題你可以下台了下台下去了我質詢完了你我已經質詢完了下去了結束了我們可以就是時間暫停他不下去不用停了主委可以先下去休息好謝謝這沒問題我們就請下去"},{"start":5738.973,"end":5748.976,"text":"主席有請這個NCC主秘全序部內政部教育部文化部人事行政總署請剛剛點到的請上台今天在我們"},{"start":5765.307,"end":5781.612,"text":"司法及法制及交通委員會聯席審查的這個會議當中我第一個要表示對這個民主之詞新聞自由之詞我們國會站在電台上羞辱國會的陳耀祥表達最嚴厲的譴責他在這個國會的一秒鐘我覺得都是對台灣民主的羞辱"},{"start":5789.076,"end":5818.433,"text":"民進黨政府這八年來我最瞧不起的就是兩個人第二名張天青第一名就是陳耀祥這兩個人的差別一個是已經滾蛋的東廠一個是還沒滾蛋的東廠陳耀祥跟張天青張天青起碼還自以為是東廠洋洋得意社會撻伐之後就滾蛋了"},{"start":5819.568,"end":5830.677,"text":"但是今天我們直接在這邊傷害新聞自由自身竊據連民進黨的前總統陳水扁總統都公開表達對這個NCC關新聞台強烈不滿而這樣的一個所以NCC的主委他還可以在我們的這個行政團隊在NCC上厚顏無恥的"},{"start":5850.299,"end":5851.3,"text":"法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．"},{"start":5872.863,"end":5897.842,"text":"剛剛幾位委員已經把所有過去NCC對於禁電視裡面荒腔走板的護航荒腔走板的一個掩護失去獨立機關的獨立性我們要開始進行調閱竟然陳耀祥完全不讓大家意外我直接告訴大家禁電視調閱小組那一天成立那一天媒體問我就預言了"},{"start":5899.38,"end":5924.301,"text":"你能期待這個新聞自由的屠夫這個新聞自由踐踏新聞自由的新聞自由殺手他會尊重調閱小組、調閱資料嗎我直接說他不會給資料的啦他不會給資料的啦他基本上就是完全不把民主、把國會、把新聞自由當一回事連"},{"start":5927.873,"end":5955.318,"text":"行政院院長陳建仁在我質詢的時候我印象深刻啊我問陳建仁院長你贊成政府關新聞台嗎我連問六次最後陳建仁終於熬不住說他不贊成關新聞台政府不該關新聞台何其諷刺的畫面是陳耀祥就站在陳建仁旁邊"},{"start":5956.786,"end":5961.93,"text":"我仔細的看著這個東廠的表情多然不驚啊人的厚顏無恥到這種程度我在你陳耀祥身上是見識了所以你今天上來我都覺得是對國會的羞辱我待會就提案譴責你啊譴責你今天對於國會的藐視跟踐踏我在這邊也問在座幾位官員"},{"start":5986.007,"end":5997.681,"text":"陳水扁前總統曾經公開表達他認為政府不該關新聞台。行政院院長陳建仁也公開表達"},{"start":5999.444,"end":6018.966,"text":"認為政府不該關新聞台。就像當年的政府不該關報社所以民主前進的過程,報竟解除了。我想請問人事行政處,你認同陳水扁前總統還有行政院院長陳建仁說的政府不該關新聞台嗎?我們的認同非常好。"},{"start":6019.517,"end":6047.502,"text":"我想問文化部的代表我們人事行政總署認同陳水扁前總統還有我們的陳建仁院長說政府不該關新聞台你認同嗎認同嗎那你不認同陳建仁院長啊你可以下去了啦你也下去了你下去了下去了記住你的名字我們的陳怡靜文化部的陳怡靜他認為政府該關新聞台你是這個意思嗎"},{"start":6048.772,"end":6050.473,"text":"公務員行政總理依法行政"},{"start":6073.62,"end":6097.327,"text":"正好回答跟陳耀祥差不多啦謝謝你為難你啦不期待啦但至少人事行政總署有勇氣直接說政府不該關新聞台連陳水扁前總統的話都講了連我們的陳建仁院長都講了那其他人我們文化部也不敢表態啊主任也不敢表態啊那我再問下一個問題啊主秘鄭林總能回答了齁來請上來"},{"start":6099.938,"end":6125.123,"text":"懲戒院長答應我說NCC四位藉期的委員藉期之後他要提名會把名單先來跟在野黨溝通你們名單什麼時候提出來的報紙上寫說昨天要提出來報紙上寫昨天啊拜託你是NCC主秘你要看報紙你要看報紙什麼時候收到立法院的"},{"start":6126.91,"end":6153.685,"text":"這個因為我不是經過我的你是主秘欸大小事不都經過主秘在陳主委沒關係啦有這麼所謂東廠跟廢的主委你主秘掌握不了狀況也能夠理解啦溝通了沒我再問你溝通了沒你不知道啦我幫你回答啦對不對對沒有溝通啊所以你今天陳耀祥你也打臉陳建仁嗎最後我要說的是什麼待會就臨時提案很簡單"},{"start":6155.646,"end":6170.577,"text":"剩下一個歷史的紀錄,民進黨口口聲聲把鄭楠榮的百分之百言論自由掛在嘴上。陳水扁總統尊尊教誨政府不可以關新聞台,但是就出了一個關新聞台陳耀祥,這就是你的歷史定位。謝謝。好,謝謝。那我這邊再提醒一下,十點半快到了,如果有什麼要提的要趕快提出來。"},{"start":6184.051,"end":6200.338,"text":"接下來我們請莊瑞雄委員謝謝主席我有請我們陳耀祥主任委員麻煩主委"},{"start":6205.876,"end":6226.405,"text":"主委早,這就是國會啦,你也看多了啦,這沒什麼啦,國會現在,現在的國會啊,政黨都來都去,立法委員現在這一屆的立法委員,無限膨脹,權力要大到什麼地步,每一個人的想像有所不同。但我都要請教啦,2005年的時候,那個時候你在什麼地方?"},{"start":6230.115,"end":6246.381,"text":"兩千零五年我在學校在學校我之所以這樣問讓主委來回憶一下當初啊2005年在立法的時候其實這個立法的嚴格來看它是非常重要2005年那個時候有通傳會的一個組織法"},{"start":6247.418,"end":6250.1,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":6272.473,"end":6277.597,"text":"當初的審查委員會由各政黨依照政黨比例推薦11位專家學者來組成,同年12月提出的市縣行政院長謝長廷當時的行政院秘書長有趣"},{"start":6289.474,"end":6299.363,"text":"就是即將要接任行政院長的叫做卓榮泰在隔年2006年的時候大法官做成的4-613號的一個解釋宣告了這個條文違憲注意違憲的內容你應該知道你請你說明一下"},{"start":6306.786,"end":6308.028,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":6324.589,"end":6343.048,"text":"雖然在法律上來講的話立法院對於人事同意權的部分因為透過人事同意權或是透過立法的可以對人事有一點的參與或是制衡但是不可以逾越這個所謂權力分立的這個界限事實上剝奪行政院院長的所謂人事同意權這個就講得好你看今年3月8號"},{"start":6344.21,"end":6349.354,"text":"副坤祺委員提出NCC組織法修正草案,裡面據渠道說通訊會委員由行政院及各政黨各推薦7名,依照各政黨在立法院的比例名額來分,而且要交由審查委員會的審議,審查委員會組成各政黨在立法院的席次比例來做一個推薦,一仔細把它看一看。"},{"start":6368.672,"end":6372.375,"text":"就跟20年前的條文一模一樣。」被大法官宣告違憲的條文重新又出來了,但是後來不知道他發現了什麼,他又提出另外一個版本,改由立法院推舉審查委員。這叫什麼你知道嗎?新的手機還是用舊的門號。"},{"start":6392.192,"end":6410.645,"text":"新品莊的還是舊酒換湯不換藥同樣都是被20年前已經宣告違憲的一個東西這個其實就是剝奪剛主委講的行政院長的一個提名權那被立法機關直接在條文當中你去定名你怎麼提名審查同意叫我行政院來認命這個"},{"start":6417.932,"end":6445.03,"text":"二十年前已經被講成是違憲的東西,那現在再重新再提出來我相信在立法院可以來做一個討論社會也可以來做一個大家來做一個公斷那獨立機關跟行政獨立還有受立法院監督的這個問題其實這個本來都可以討論你像比如說通傳會、金管會這些都比較獨立機關"},{"start":6446.9,"end":6448.642,"text":"這幾年的獨立運作下來當然立法院對你們有所批評"},{"start":6463.956,"end":6480.984,"text":"那在一個獨立機關你不僅要這個獨立機關取得民主的一個正當性也要去彰顯立法權對行政權的一個制衡可是你去把它做比較獨立性如果越低的它就會跟行政體系越接近比如說國發會、客委會獨立性越高的它就會脫離行政首長的一個掌握比如說金管會還有中選會還有我們通傳會那為了讓它獨立"},{"start":6493.61,"end":6511.908,"text":"那其實他也並完全去擺脫行政權或者立法權的一個監督那保留了行政院長對獨立機關重要人士的一個決定權並把人事同意權來留給立法院避免單一政黨對各獨立機關的一個影響這個其實"},{"start":6514.511,"end":6517.034,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．"},{"start":6534.813,"end":6551.089,"text":"我剛提到就是說大法官釋之613號裡面的內容其實講得非常清楚啦我講得非常清楚喔用簡單的話來講啦就是說立法院現在有很多手段可以對付這個獨立機關你像比如說災難這一次一連串的修法裡面在我看來啊叫做自己憨悶啦 共腐敗啦 不知道要怎麼感動啦"},{"start":6556.837,"end":6559.678,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":6580.964,"end":6581.925,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":6607.365,"end":6626.161,"text":"談到NCC都是在講泛藍大敗泛綠。NCC委員出來藍綠比是多少?NCC委員名單出現國青取得過半。NCC委員名單都是在談這些,都是在講藍跟講綠,這個怎麼會是我們要的獨立機關啊?所以我是覺得說注意"},{"start":6633.007,"end":6646.039,"text":"立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、"},{"start":6659.411,"end":6661.692,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案案案案"},{"start":6683.936,"end":6684.796,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 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案件,而非根據原來曾經所屬的政黨影響,而非根據原來曾經所屬的政黨影響,而非根據原來曾經所屬的政黨影響,而非根據原來曾經所屬的政黨影響,而非根據原來曾經所屬的政黨影響,而非根據"},{"start":7214.193,"end":7225.782,"text":"但是我們既然要求他要退出政黨活動甚至要退出政黨我還要他用政黨來推薦難道我們認為希望NC的委員由各自政黨來指揮嗎?你希望NC的委員有推薦他的政黨來指揮他嗎?"},{"start":7228.439,"end":7230.54,"text":"立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":7247.972,"end":7248.853,"text":"立法委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．"},{"start":7276.212,"end":7300.155,"text":"所以其實政治制度有很多樣我們不能挑自己想要的目前中華民國本文、正修條文我們的憲政體制連大法官我們行使同意權的國會都沒有提名權都沒有任命權了所以現在對於屬於行政院的二級獨立機關我們要來提出有任命權或有提名權這是很奇怪的最後的結論主席站起來了"},{"start":7300.99,"end":7321.248,"text":"我希望未來當然這個不是由主委你來決定的但是你在卸任之前這兩個訴求我想聽你的意見如果未來我們希望NC委員退出政黨你知不支持那你是不是覺得未來的NC要確保持續運作不能夠藉由不續任條款剛剛有人提到的當"},{"start":7322.893,"end":7337.308,"text":"人事同意有問題沒辦法阻遏的時候,NCC如果缺額他會癱瘓。所以我們要如何確保NCC運作,NCC持續運作是不是符合台灣自由民主法治國家人民的共同利益。"},{"start":7552.957,"end":7578.74,"text":"現在開始開會,那我們請接下來請林思明委員發言來,請主委好,請主委上台謝謝主席主委,今天看到這個NCC拒絕提供我們交通委員會"},{"start":7580.64,"end":7606.949,"text":"要求調閱的相關的資料競電式的相關資料我想我們普遍的感受到NCC到底是不是一個獨立的機關所以你今天的NCC做這樣子的一個決定您剛才回答是您個人的決定所以我們只感受到您真的是傲慢"},{"start":7608.257,"end":7635.729,"text":"真是獨裁專制。」我可以回答嗎?NCC是你一個人說了算嗎?我待會會有提問。您暫時不用回答。我想本月的交通委員會的這個調閱專業小組的開會確定調閱的相關的資料範圍包含禁電式的營運資料、行政調查報告等23個事項。但是NCC的回函"},{"start":7637.162,"end":7663.802,"text":"表示說尚有異議,請交通委員會釐清並釋明。」公文中長篇大論的大意就是不願提供啦!NCC對於競電式的上架社會有這麼多的疑問喔!也提出錄音檔當時的行政院長蘇貞昌他對外宣稱可以不必查"},{"start":7665.151,"end":7689.605,"text":"院長講不必查啦!所以現在立法院交通委員會成立專案小組、調閱小組要來查我想這個很明顯的是依照我們立法院的職權行使法的相關規定也是憲法上所賦予我們立法院有議決相關重要事項這樣的一個職權"},{"start":7691.431,"end":7707.484,"text":"但是NCC卻一手遮顛布給查所以剛才您的回答這是你一個人的決定所以我想就叫主委NCC是不是你一個人說了算"},{"start":7708.743,"end":7729.102,"text":"立法院第12屆第1次聯席會議及法制、交通委員會組織法第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第14屆第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第19條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第19條條文修正草案．立法院第20條條文修正草案．立法院第21條條文修正草案．立法院第22條條文修正草案．立法院第23條條文修正草案．立法院第"},{"start":7731.084,"end":7732.265,"text":"請針對我的問題回答我剛才已經很明確的告訴你"},{"start":7752.179,"end":7756.744,"text":"立法院第四條條文修正草案（事由．立法院第四條條文修正草案．"},{"start":7774.227,"end":7791.72,"text":"法律案、預算案、條約、宣戰購等相關的事項,比如說今天可能如果是這涉及到預算執行採購﹖主委,您又岔題了啦我現在講的是我們63條的有關立法院可以一決重大事項這樣的一個職權請問你"},{"start":7796.297,"end":7806.803,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案（事由．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案（事由．立法院第12屆第13屆通訊傳播委員會組織法第14屆通訊傳播委員會組織法第16屆通訊傳播委員會組織法第17屆通訊傳播委員會組織法第18屆通訊傳播委員會組織法第18屆通訊傳播委員會組織法第19屆通訊傳播委員會組織法第20屆通訊傳播委員"},{"start":7811.966,"end":7814.708,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":7828.3,"end":7829.08,"text":"立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":7845.503,"end":7846.164,"text":"組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案件"},{"start":7869.929,"end":7886.741,"text":"那我想剛才針對幾位委員的一個詢答您的心態我們覺得非常可疑你是不是覺得說你今天站在這裡這個回答那麼我們委員大家對你有非常多的強烈的這種質詢"},{"start":7889.022,"end":7910.695,"text":"那您是不是抱著一個心態講說我站在這裡幾分鐘我這個回答硬拗強詞奪理就可以了不管委員怎麼樣去論理論法你完全可以依照自己的意識我愛怎麼回答我就怎麼回答完全不理會委員你的心態是不是站在這裡硬拗就可以了"},{"start":7912.073,"end":7925.322,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第18條條文修正草案．一）立法院第12屆第18條條文修正草案．一）立法院第18條條文修正草案．一）立法院第18條條文修正草案．一）立法院第18條條文修正草案．一）立法院第19條條文修正草案．一）立法院第19條條文修正草案．一）立法院第20條條文修正草案．一）立法院第"},{"start":7933.607,"end":7959.299,"text":"我想這是當然是你的強詞奪理的一個說法其實我想我們大家的看法那麼清楚就認為說這個已經那麼具體明確的要跟你調閱資料你還去硬凹講說要交通委員會釐清市民這23個事項所以你還在這邊強詞奪理所以我覺得啊NCC啊如果是這樣效忠一個人就可以了不如廢掉了"},{"start":7960.615,"end":7982.981,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。 bicy,您剛才回答是合一致,不是你一個人說了算。但是我們現在看來,NCC就是您一個人,主委,你一個人說了算的獨裁專制制了。所以呢,真的廢掉了。沒有存在的必要了。好,謝謝。那我們下一位請吳思瑤委員發言。"},{"start":7997.734,"end":7999.978,"text":"立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法"},{"start":8011.874,"end":8032.707,"text":"我要在這裡說,NCC就應當回歸專業。NCC就要去政治化。你可以不喜歡陳耀祥,你可以不欣賞陳耀祥,但NCC作為一個國家獨立運作的獨立機關,就法論法。"},{"start":8035.189,"end":8044.881,"text":"國會議員的責任是讓NCC的組織法建立一個不論誰執政都能夠穩健運作的制度。您同意嗎?"},{"start":8046.748,"end":8064.201,"text":"我為什麼要說其實NCC不應當這麼政治化的因為NCC掌理的每年有4萬到6萬件的民生相關業務對不對是的我也是經過爬書才知道原來NCC關切的不是這些國會議員每天在那邊"},{"start":8065.282,"end":8077.975,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第12屆第12屆第13屆第14屆第15屆第16屆第17屆第18屆第17屆第18屆第19屆第19屆第20屆第20屆第21屆第21屆第22屆第22屆第"},{"start":8087.885,"end":8109.705,"text":"電信設備的審查到所有國內外電信設備的驗證等等。如果NCC因為政治的心魔被癱瘓了,它被修法惡搞成一個沒有辦法穩健運作的獨立機關,每一天每一個台灣人民"},{"start":8110.726,"end":8124.506,"text":"不論你在什麼場域、不論你是幾歲、你的性別、你的生活也被癱瘓從你用的手機、你看的電視、你聽的廣播、你住的建築物會不會被斷網、被斷訊"},{"start":8126.929,"end":8150.156,"text":"所以請讓NCC回到專業這是我今天很重要的一個原則只是非常的遺憾啊司法法制委員會新國會以來有三個特色第一個就是選擇性跟針對性的修法或立法第二個就是只進行政治性的修法跟立法"},{"start":8151.036,"end":8171.232,"text":"第三）委員就是一再的端出違反憲法的立法或修法。這三個惡法的樣態,NCC組織法極大成了。所以非常的難為。但是我們透過討論的過程,把事實呈現在國人面前下演。"},{"start":8172.679,"end":8192.819,"text":"我為了做這個質詢我很努力去研讀很多的學術論文我手上這個是2006的一個學術論文我國獨立行政委員會組織建制與相關憲政問題之研究我才了解台灣的行政院組織法也好或者是我們行政機關組織形態"},{"start":8194.901,"end":8212.536,"text":"法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案案案案案的狀態組成獨立機關最早這個來自於美國發展的一個獨立機關的運作的機制其實早在2002年總統府的政府改造委員會裡頭開始被討論跟倡議然後被上路"},{"start":8213.357,"end":8220.96,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員"},{"start":8243.548,"end":8253.001,"text":"條文修正草案．立法院第1次聯席會議及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．立法院第1次聯席會議及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．立法院第1次聯席會議及法制、交通委員會組織法"},{"start":8260.534,"end":8277.182,"text":"維縣的修法要再一次嗎?18年前提案的是國民黨跟親民黨要設置提名審查委員會依政黨比例原則而且要審查會通過同意的名單才可以提名哦!2006年申請釋憲2006年的7月21號宣告維縣2008年維縣的法律就要重新檢視刪除了"},{"start":8287.996,"end":8309.522,"text":"維縣的修法,立法院還要重蹈覆轍一次嗎?歷史的教訓還不夠嗎?下一頁。我們來看看這一次的修法多離譜啊。傅昆齊委員一個人提兩案,可能其中一案是傅昆齊提案,另外一案是傅齊昆的提案啊。"},{"start":8310.586,"end":8331.284,"text":"前後矛盾自打嘴巴我舉例就任期他第一個提案說可以連任一次下一個提案說沒有限制可以繼續連任相互矛盾自打嘴巴就傅崐萁跟傅琦坤兩個委員的提案"},{"start":8332.245,"end":8354.346,"text":"他們當然審查會的設置、政黨比例的推薦這都違憲的還有呢他寫道相同黨籍者不可超過三位這是傅崐萁的提案可是傅琦昆的提案說呢又要黨籍依據立法院的政黨比例這不就是前後錯誌嗎?產生了矛盾跟漢格嗎?"},{"start":8355.747,"end":8375.653,"text":"當然他也提到離職後三年不能擔任公職或代表政黨參選 這就抵觸了憲法的參政權這是傅崐萁跟傅琦昆的一人兩案下一頁 洪孟楷委員的提案也很離譜我很快的經驗報告呈現在國人面前"},{"start":8376.773,"end":8393.792,"text":"政黨比例委員會這都違憲。還有一個呢人事同意權未過原任委員任期及終止不得延任以及委員總額未達第四條關於人數之規定就在補足前不得議案來表決。換言之就是癱瘓嘛。"},{"start":8395.133,"end":8399.137,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法委員洪孟楷等25人擬具"},{"start":8413.456,"end":8441.617,"text":"他說委員改為五人其中三人由立法院提名哪一個組織可以這樣行政立法互相分享提名任命權的五個人裡面三個立法院提名兩個行政院提名就您的法學專業有過這樣子的並沒有而且這個本來就違背責任政治的要求是啊從來沒有這樣違背責任政治違反憲法"},{"start":8442.758,"end":8468.555,"text":"立法權來剝奪行政院的提名權．還有溫委員的提案同樣也破壞了任期交錯制來癱瘓NCC的運作。」好,我後面的內容都沒有辦法提了。我要做個結論。違憲的修法還要再來一次嗎?已經被大法官打了嘴巴"},{"start":8469.81,"end":8482.261,"text":"告訴國會不可以再違憲這樣子的條文2008年已經被否決了2024年的國會還要再來一次嗎?"},{"start":8482.261,"end":8491.468,"text":"各位雖然您即將在這個位置上辛苦的奮戰了一段時間這樣的法律如果修過了怎麼辦?"},{"start":8493.561,"end":8496.543,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":8524.011,"end":8537.815,"text":"如果您被傅崐萁委員每天這樣痛打歪打您一定做對了很多事我們就依我們的良知來行事違憲的法案萬萬不可加油給您勉勵謝謝接下來我們請謝榮介委員"},{"start":8551.957,"end":8567.063,"text":"主席我請端主委端主委我剛才在岸國聰跟你接觸的時候我有起來跟你表達一個態度這是第一因為你是行政官員來到立法院不管這個委員是國民黨、民眾黨還是民進黨你基本的態度這是不對的"},{"start":8580.571,"end":8581.852,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":8606.226,"end":8621.472,"text":"民進黨的拍手,在這裡你做NCC的機關,收到,隨時你講。我在這裡,同意你用聯合的方式來回答分析,來跟分析對話,這樣好不好?好。你,從提名之後,民進黨一路給你護航,不但有政治性,"},{"start":8635.544,"end":8646.211,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．"},{"start":8660.305,"end":8671.988,"text":"我邀請羅秀燕韓國禄及豪佑義來到台南提供在屏東在你的故鄉獻出一蕊的胸粉紅紅顛顛這個電視台你幫我發錢有沒有 有這個案件有這個案件 最好呢看你輸啊如果有這個案件啦羅清廷"},{"start":8690.853,"end":8696.216,"text":"立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案案案。"},{"start":8714.927,"end":8717.088,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案"},{"start":8734.78,"end":8738.162,"text":"立法院第11屆第1次聯席會議及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案案案案案"},{"start":8764.013,"end":8769.776,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員併案．二）委員洪孟楷等23人擬具"},{"start":8787.765,"end":8789.906,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":8805.851,"end":8806.131,"text":"立法院第1次聯席"},{"start":8825.607,"end":8829.991,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案案案"},{"start":8853.24,"end":8865.63,"text":"你今天你有一個態度說你要回到學校這是有意義還是沒有意義?當然有意義 免管這裡的組織法要修改啦組織法修改可以大家共論啦組織法修改現在是我的責任啊我會照顧你 但是我這堂你會氣流無聲嘛對不對 無聲啦 是你對一個新的行政團隊跟熱情的新的總統起來你 有沒有典型一個"},{"start":8878.732,"end":8881.134,"text":"司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案 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案。"},{"start":9092.863,"end":9119.201,"text":"黃國昌委員直詢原來才知道竟然是NCC的主委一個人一手遮天自己就決定了他把NCC是怎麼樣是完成首長制了嗎明明就是合一制機關在面對立法院這麼重要的調閱文件的事項竟然可以由陳耀祥主委自己一個人將他視為是行政事項就決定了"},{"start":9122.66,"end":9141.537,"text":"這種藐視國會的行為而且這個錯誤解釋法令扭曲解釋大法官的這個解釋根本就是嚴重的違背憲法上面權力分立原則違背相關的法令規定就這個部分來說"},{"start":9143.783,"end":9149.546,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案 。此外,陳柱偉的行為基本上已經嚴重違反公務員服務法。我們認為他這樣的態度、這樣的作為應該要移送監察院。請監察院要去"},{"start":9174.359,"end":9192.992,"text":"處理、查辦陳耀祥主委的失職行為。所以在此,包含本人在內的相關委員共同提案,要求應該給予陳耀祥主委最嚴厲的譴責,並且移送監察院。好,柯總商。"},{"start":9206.736,"end":9233.036,"text":"剛才仔細聆聽,偶爾委員首位委員簽名分立原則。你完全錯了啊。誰要講是捍衛憲政體制啊。這大法官729黃國昌自己清楚,不要在那邊笑。黃國昌你自寫的言文就是這樣啊。你寫得正確的喔。你不要這麼正經的。來,讓我來講啦。"},{"start":9239.345,"end":9252.328,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具"},{"start":9264.157,"end":9279.08,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具 «國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具"},{"start":9292.795,"end":9311.982,"text":"來判斷,但是如果說沒有按麥克風,講話還是太大聲,影響到議事,那我會制止。」主席啊,他們稍微稍微騷擾我,我會忍耐啦。我會稍微忍耐。729、44用這樣才連出來。那時候的大法官有翁小英先生、林春生。"},{"start":9312.782,"end":9340.787,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案件的解釋解釋說審查終結可不可以調查有文件我要調馬英九跟黃世民的通聯紀錄因為在第一次馬英九執行法黃世民就說你到底你是一個檢察總統跟馬英九通過紀錄電話他只有通過一次我說你再想紀錄兩次我說你死定了調通聯紀錄後來他自己"},{"start":9341.909,"end":9354.011,"text":"跟蘋果日報記者講說常常在通電話那我必須要拿到他通聯、調到他通聯記錄當然事實就是這樣但解釋出來已經偵查結束了"},{"start":9355.819,"end":9358.782,"text":"及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":9375.842,"end":9401.301,"text":"這729解釋就是說為了什麼掙扎終結不可以掉當然是為了我們大灣729事實最嚴重的事實第一個破壞就是黃國昌黃國昌你不要忘記2017年的時候10月28號立法院在請你你在立法院財政委員提案要掉清護案清護案那時候整個文件全部在法院審理中你竟然要掉"},{"start":9403.072,"end":9428.095,"text":"事由．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第19條條文修正草案．立法院第19條條文修正草案．立法院第20條條文修正草案．立法院第21條條文修正草案．立法院第22條條文修正草案．立法院第23"},{"start":9430.131,"end":9434.953,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":9460.54,"end":9466.183,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":9477.332,"end":9504.067,"text":"調資料、要調在調訴訟中的案子、針對今天事、股東多少人、整個金流等等。請問,這可以嗎?當然曾耀祥用729四字來駭昧憲政體制嘛。你們是雙重違憲的。你成立一個教育委員會,既然教育規則通過表決,林國成當召委。"},{"start":9504.963,"end":9526.527,"text":"交通委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案（事由．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案．立法院第四條、第八條及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條、第八條及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條、第八條及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條、第八條及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條、第八條及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條、第八條及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條、第八條及法制、交通委員"},{"start":9534.104,"end":9537.167,"text":"立法院第四條條文修正草案（事由．立法院第四條條文修正草案．"},{"start":9552.85,"end":9579.264,"text":"我請問洪孟楷你為什麼去護航這裏,這才是核心事項,不是一個事情說三人跟你講,一直在講。所以今天我要講清楚,你只要想本身他還會不會宣傳幾次,我就全力而為你研究。所以今天我們要你提這個案子,這個案子你自己要小心,我們不可能跟你贊成的。"},{"start":9584.374,"end":9602.808,"text":"因為今天發言比較踴躍我們現在是我看這樣啦我們用開放登記發言的方式讓大家趕快來登記然後每個委員發言三分鐘因為不然這樣子我們今天是聯席嘛不然到時候沒完沒了大家可能要陪著我到晚上11點"},{"start":9604.609,"end":9618.356,"text":"國昌國昌因為他們剛兩位先舉手我們先讓他講好那還有要發言的麻煩來登記一下"},{"start":9621.477,"end":9632.605,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法"},{"start":9640.799,"end":9661.773,"text":"英國的前首相丘吉爾曾經說過民主國家的國會除了不能讓男人生孩子之外什麼荒謬的事情都做得出來那我想最近在司法法制委員會我們再度看到了又一次荒謬的可能決議在前天已經通過了可能今天聯席會又要再次一次"},{"start":9662.634,"end":9678.957,"text":"那麼我看到這個臨時提案吶我很認真的去尋找想看看有沒有我們在場委員黃國昌委員的簽名吼那顯然黃委員這次並沒有參與這個臨時提案也不能預判他未來待會這個臨時提案處理的時候他有什麼立場"},{"start":9679.818,"end":9702.908,"text":"但我這裡呢有一個黃委員當年在第九屆立委卸任後在2020年11月18號他的臉書上說終於向蔡衍明的中天告別了NCC的委員頂住了政治壓力守住了專業審查決議否決蔡旺旺的中天新聞換照申請今天我們"},{"start":9703.716,"end":9724.422,"text":"陳主委在這個執行台上、備訓台上,針對以國民黨為主的委員的提案,諸多荒謬甚至被大法官宣告違憲,他的條文他繼續拿出來,其實無非大家都看得很清楚,就是在人家說台語說的,不中天的鳥吃鴨丸。"},{"start":9726.209,"end":9753.638,"text":"但是呢這個事情在當年至少我看到的代表時代力量或者不知道該怎麼稱呼代表現在台灣民眾黨的黃國昌委員呢他一樣很肯定當年的NCC委員在當年的組織法之下經過同樣立法院同意權的程序下所任命的主委、副主委跟委員頂住了壓力還有民間專業委員否準了中天的換照申請"},{"start":9754.895,"end":9773.785,"text":"所以當我們看到這個提案內容是一個交通委員會曾經要求進行的調閱專案小組這個是交通委員的事情結果拿到我們交通跟司法法制聯席為什麼今天的委員會要跟司法法制聯席因為要審組織法嘛"},{"start":9776.004,"end":9801.599,"text":"那要審NC的組織法你的臨時提案是拿交通委員會你們調閱專案小組你們的決議有沒有落實請回交通委員會你們好好的去追究而且你們的提案文還寫什麼這些提案的委員呢我看除了洪孟楷委員跟林國琛委員之外其他的都不是交通其他的都是司法法制委員"},{"start":9803.212,"end":9826.928,"text":"也不是只有林國琛委員是交通委員所以真正這個提案要來表示意見的就是林國琛委員嘛他在交通委員會裡面對這個意見他有意見可以去提到交通委員會提其他的司法法制委員的委員沒有參與那天交通委員會的專案調閱小組那你來提這個提議更荒謬的是什麼他說要移送監察院"},{"start":9827.85,"end":9856.585,"text":"其實立法院的委員會陳院會之命我們來審查組織法要做成決議對決議的內容其實我們個別的意見都予以尊重對於最後的決議透過多數決我們予以尊重但是移送監察院這種事情實在不宜在跟交通委員會專案調閱小組無關的司法法制聯席的委員上來做出這樣荒謬的決定"},{"start":9857.864,"end":9877.877,"text":"不曉得我們還可以做出除了叫男人生孩子之外還可以叫用委員會來移送行政院獨立機關的主任委員我覺得提出這樣提案的委員真的要好好的去思考一下要譴責和意志多數決定"},{"start":9879.284,"end":9888.752,"text":"我尊重,但是移送監察院這些文字實在是太荒唐、太可笑,還有太用一句引用一句,太離譜了。」"},{"start":9902.756,"end":9903.939,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":9915.502,"end":9935.721,"text":"主席各位同仁這個會期在司法法制委員會很重要的議案叫做國會改革的議案當中重中之重就是立法院職權刑事法裡頭對於立法院調查權的行使只是很可惜國民黨民眾黨的委員害怕自己的調查權違憲"},{"start":9937.683,"end":9960.738,"text":"條文不給在司法法制委員會裡頭逐條審查。」所以今天我也可以藉由這樣一個違憲的臨時提案的內容正好可以闡述立法院過當的行使違反憲法的調查權它到底違反了憲政哪些的原則呢?首先大家可以去看看幾個大法官的釋字案第325號、第585號還有第729號"},{"start":9966.141,"end":9967.582,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．"},{"start":9981.872,"end":10007.222,"text":"分立與制衡的原則．立法院調查權所得調查的對象或事項並非毫無限制。」換言之,大法官告訴我們,立法委員不是你想調查誰就可以調查誰,那樣子的無法無天。釋字585號也告訴我們,調查事項必須與立委行使憲法賦予的職權有重大關聯。"},{"start":10009.218,"end":10035.224,"text":"立委的職權是什麼規範在憲法第63條就是我們的法律案、預算案乃至於條約案、構合案、戒嚴案等等。我想問一下成立了進電視的這個調閱小組的委員會跟立法委員行使的法律案有什麼關係?預算案有什麼關係?重大關聯者在哪裡?那提案委員要講清楚啊。"},{"start":10036.124,"end":10060.464,"text":"我們來看看729號的釋字案大法官又告訴我們什麼很清楚的偵查中之案件立院自不得向其調閱相關卷證已經講了非常多次N次了也就是偵查不公開調閱的案件如果是檢調偵判當中的案件就不得調閱那你們是說不完嗎"},{"start":10063.925,"end":10071.191,"text":"七二九號釋字案再一次說立法院僅能在制度、預算、法律、對檢查機關進行通案監督並無介入各案調閱偵查卷證之餘地"},{"start":10082.02,"end":10104.262,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．司法及法制委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．司法及法制委員會組織法第四條、第八條及法制委員會組織法第四條、第八條及法制委員會組織法第四條、第八條及法制委員會組織法第四條、第八條及法制委員會組織法第四條、第八條及法制委員會組織法第四條、第八條及法制委員會組織法第四條、第八條及法制委員會組織法第四條、第八條及法制委員會組織法第四條、第八條及"},{"start":10106.063,"end":10134.872,"text":"競電式的調閱小組是在交通委員會裡頭設置的今天你對於這樣一個調閱小組行使的權限居然要到司法法治委員會裡面來找我們來背書至少本席吳思瑤我不願意背書我也不可能為這樣一個離譜的提案背書所以主席您要說明啊今天在司法法治委員會提這樣一個跟司法法治委員會過去審議的議案都沒有關聯的案子"},{"start":10136.033,"end":10152.007,"text":"這個調閱小組不是司法委員會成立的啊在這裡通過這樣一個臨時提案牛頭不對馬嘴提案也到正確的場域正確的委員會去提案啊要不然為什麼司法法制委員會在這裡要跟你們這樣陪葬為你們背書"},{"start":10154.383,"end":10170.546,"text":"我拒絕主席請說明好嗎這一點主席應當說明這是一個交通委員會成立的調入小組為什麼在司法法制委員會來通過這樣一個議案大有問題真的大有問題立法院不要撕削行堂不要狹遠報復啊今天是聯席會議那我尊重聯席會議各位委員的提案"},{"start":10182.995,"end":10188.737,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 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案。"},{"start":10969.984,"end":10974.968,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等23人擬具 «國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案》案。"},{"start":10989.485,"end":11014.634,"text":"整個監理機關、獨立機關的一個監理或者說整個涉及到民間的他整個公司的一個治理事項是不是立法委員就是說我們這次就叫我們先算出來我們很大我管你公司怎麼治理老子就叫做立法委員要你交出來你就交出來哪有什麼叫公司治理通通都交這樣嗎我們是這樣說我反而會覺得說"},{"start":11019.534,"end":11022.758,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案案。"},{"start":11032.662,"end":11033.803,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 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。接下來我們請下一位登記發言的委員蔡壁昌委員發言。"},{"start":11952.316,"end":11959.303,"text":"立法院第11屆第12屆議員會組織法第13屆議員會組織法第14屆議員會組織法第15屆議員會組織法第16屆議員會組織法第17屆議員會組織法第18屆議員會組織法第18屆議員會組織法第19屆議員會組織法第20屆議員會組織法第21屆議員會組織法第22屆議員會組織法第23屆議員會組織法第24屆議員會組織法第26屆議員會組織法第27屆議員會組織法第28屆議員會組織法第29屆議員會組織法第30屆議員會組織法第31屆議員會組"},{"start":11976.318,"end":11993.075,"text":"委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案（事由．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案（事由．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第15會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第17會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第18會期司法及法制、"},{"start":12000.563,"end":12026.983,"text":"那你叫我去解釋臨時提案的內容的意義是什麼沒有沒有解釋內容解釋程序解釋程序蔡琦三委員說我簡直三次不上台那就自行去選沒有那種事情沒有那種事沒有那種事注意這個才是沒有表決啦注意這個才是沒有表決啦"},{"start":12028.284,"end":12032.246,"text":"組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案案。"},{"start":12058.082,"end":12079.214,"text":"主席你沒有回答李昆澤委員的會議詢問主席如果你沒有能力解釋我可以替你解釋我可以替主席解釋嗎我會議詢問我會議詢問主席我可以會議詢問嗎"},{"start":12085.654,"end":12101.84,"text":"主席,我要會議詢問,不要無視我,您眼中只有傅昆奇。主席,我可以會議詢問嗎?我要會議詢問,羅志強,你在那邊拍抖音沒有用。你在那裡拍抖音,讓阿賴特工講話。主席,我可以會議詢問嗎?"},{"start":12108.686,"end":12129.822,"text":"會議詢問優先,全部尊重今天議事規則,主席不可以無視於我的會議詢問。」主席我可以會議詢問嗎?要質詢。這樣齁,我們先休息三分鐘。那我再講,"},{"start":12131.465,"end":12150.522,"text":"無效委員你剛說我不會解釋不是我不會解釋我沒有這個義務解釋給你們聽我沒有必要對提示提案的內容的用字潛質去解釋這不是我的義務如果哪一個法律規定我有這個義務我就會履行這個義務請不要亂說話亂帶風向"},{"start":12334.608,"end":12339.001,"text":"立法院第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":12348.858,"end":12359.506,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第12屆第13屆議員會組織法第14屆議員會組織法第15屆議員會組織法第16屆議員會組織法第17屆議員會組織法第18屆議員會組織法第18屆議員會組織法第19屆議員會組織法第19屆議員會組織法第20屆議員會組織法第21屆議員會組織法第21屆議員會組織法第22屆議員會組織法第22屆議員會組織法第22屆議員"},{"start":12371.803,"end":12386.789,"text":"剛剛的臨時提案通過後到底是依我們立法院職權行使法第48條他上面寫的是要院會通過才能移送監察院那這個會議詢問要請主席"},{"start":12388.49,"end":12410.835,"text":"主席做宣告,因為我們不是院會,我們做的決議,就算是臨時議案通過了,到底有沒有符合立法院執行法第48條的內容,要請主席做說明嘛。那主席沒有說明,他就才是什麼?繼續詢答,而且還要讓蔡吉山委沒有上台就要把他跳過。本席是就主席的這個宣告,根據議事規則第32條。"},{"start":12413.322,"end":12437.401,"text":"他要繼續進行尋答他沒有我把講完剛剛我們李委員是請主席說明臨時提案是否有一立法院之間新法第48條進行要請主席做說明主席如果不說明要繼續進行尋答他的宣告是這程序上的宣告他繼續進行尋答本席提出對本宣告提出意義所以32條我們就要繼續去拿這個才是"},{"start":12441.945,"end":12444.346,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":12471.22,"end":12476.648,"text":"立法院第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．立法院第四條條文修正草案．立法院第四條條文修正草案．"},{"start":12488.664,"end":12494.107,"text":"法定人數不足穩答程序的差事我們現在進行表決我們表決採用舉手表決的方式表決前請先清點在場委員人數"},{"start":12518.914,"end":12519.574,"text":"主席應用權力"},{"start":12543.467,"end":12545.829,"text":"提案提案提案提案提案提案提案提案提案"},{"start":12569.072,"end":12596.92,"text":"組織有另外裁決權啊因為我說提案濟民表決韓國瑜可以說不濟民表決嗎反正表脫民主誰去嘛事業都一樣啊啊不要來講這些有的沒有的啦我們用麥克風啦不是啦不要講這些有的沒有的啦蛤你用麥克風有的沒有的不是我啊那主席啊那主席"},{"start":12599.877,"end":12604.518,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":12628.404,"end":12630.886,"text":"好那我們請議事委員拿出簽到簽到簽到簽到簽到簽"},{"start":12655.117,"end":12679.023,"text":"然後在場委員於倡導姓名時贊成者起立答贊成反對者就贊成你的意義啦如果贊成你的對就喊贊成那反對的就喊反對那要棄權的也可以起來喊棄權"},{"start":12681.022,"end":12689.849,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．立法院第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第2會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法"},{"start":12706.913,"end":12714.356,"text":"審法會委員李坤哲委員陳俊宇委員"},{"start":12726.161,"end":12754.17,"text":"立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第15會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第17會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第18會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第19會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第20會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第21會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第22會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第23會期"},{"start":12758.362,"end":12778.566,"text":"你這個簽名真的太藝術了啦!好,鐘瑞雄委員贊成啦贊成啦這個應該是林思明委員嗎?然後吳...這應該是吳小...不會有別人吧?吳小委員好,贊成贊成蔡奇昌委員贊成"},{"start":12786.767,"end":12809.904,"text":"和新淳委員許智傑委員陳素月委員許富奎委員傅坤祺委員游浩委員盧明哲委員"},{"start":12814.57,"end":12837.343,"text":"邱若驊委員廖仙翔委員柯建民委員林佩祥委員黃建豪委員翁曉琳委員陳雪生委員"},{"start":12843.015,"end":12870.191,"text":"立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第15會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第17會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第18會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第19會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第20會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第21會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第22會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第23會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第24會期"},{"start":12874.014,"end":12874.555,"text":"下個會期"},{"start":12887.01,"end":12888.391,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":12914.497,"end":12918.601,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 案。"},{"start":12938.753,"end":12943.274,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":12963.948,"end":12991.241,"text":"跟各位委員報告我們剛剛點名表決的結果在場出席委員26人贊成者12人反對者14人但是呢因為本案贊成者未過半那依據立法院議事規則第32條亦未獲出席委員過半數贊成時能維持主席之宣告"},{"start":12992.141,"end":13015.715,"text":"這是在議事會的第32條好那這樣子的話就是我們就維持主席的宣告那請繼續詢答那接下來我們請蔡其昌委員發言繼續開下去啊不知道一直開下去恭喜恭喜"},{"start":13040.1,"end":13049.925,"text":"謝謝主席主席如果你要叫我第一遍我走一趟,我想說我就不入閣還是說想久不在委員會質詢,現在制度都改了我就不想要質詢"},{"start":13052.358,"end":13070.688,"text":"來請陳主委麻煩陳主委主委好這個針對NCC基本上本席的看法大概立法院分三個層次就教你第一個層次是對你個人不滿那種充滿洩憤、情緒性的攻擊"},{"start":13075.219,"end":13087.285,"text":"那本席這個不是我的專長排解私人之間的恩怨這個不是我樂意做的事情所以這個本席不問第二個部分對於NCC的政策"},{"start":13088.632,"end":13109.204,"text":"政治這個政策你的決定是否涉及違法?這個部分很簡單本席一向的態度就是政策不滿意我們的民主國家台灣是一個民主國家我們的民主國家裡面叫做責任政治也就是你政策做錯了執政黨要承擔因為選民會透過投票"},{"start":13109.904,"end":13136.596,"text":"把責任歸屬把他搞清楚這個叫責任政治至於如果有涉及違法那就直接移送法辦我想這個也沒有什麼本席也非常支持如果有違法就直接讓他移送這個也沒有什麼但是本席今天要把重點放在制度就是我們到底立法院可不可以透過NCC的組織法的修法"},{"start":13138.113,"end":13164.991,"text":"讓整個國家的責任政治跟權力分立的原則蕩然無存。」我想今天有委員提案說要把NCC的組織法來加以修法對NCC委員產生的方式有不一樣的意見委員提案當然沒有問題但是本席回來當立法委員之後我只強調一點"},{"start":13167.765,"end":13189.552,"text":"臺灣是一個民主國家民主國家很重要的精神我們在於權利分立也就是行政權做什麼立法權做什麼那行政權做什麼立法權做什麼最終我們在責任政治的架構底下該違法的該被處分的就選民會做裁判這個就是這個責任政治"},{"start":13190.219,"end":13218.751,"text":"那如果今天啊閣員可以由這個政黨比例代表那請問一下這個決策到底是哪一黨要來買單因為你們又是合一支這個決策要哪一黨這個就違背了這個責任政治的原則那另外呢這個權利分立啊其實更清楚到底誰這個這個行政立法權要不要干預行政權其實啊如果這個權利分立原則大家要把它破壞掉"},{"start":13220.545,"end":13239.823,"text":"其實也不用那麼複雜,大家也可以去修法,修憲法修成說乾脆隔遠也按照政黨比例這個就是台灣要走向哪一個國家,我們現在就是權力分立的原則所以我想這個態度其實很清楚"},{"start":13240.902,"end":13268.735,"text":"所以本席我沒有什麼要你特別回答因為這個涉及到權利分立跟責任政治不是你NCC主委可以在這裡回答的問題只是本席要強調立法院國民黨拿到了多數但是國民黨拿到了多數可不可以違背這個權利分立的原則你看談建設預算國民黨用特別條例"},{"start":13269.969,"end":13293.68,"text":"自己決定了該做什麼建設、要做在哪裡、要多久完成、要編多少預算然後呢那這樣的話我們到底權利分立在哪裡、行政權到底要做什麼因為你立法權都透過特別條例把這個施政的重點、執政黨施政的重點要做在哪裡、什麼時候做、多久要完成然後呢預算要編多少都把它搞定了"},{"start":13294.48,"end":13316.232,"text":"另外政策我們有電駕審議委員會大家草也可以有不同的主張但是做成政策的決定來取代電駕審議委員會那這也違背權力分立的原則現在人事權的任命執政黨也總統算出來他也有民意基礎他不是自己報名就可以做"},{"start":13318.226,"end":13324.27,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．"},{"start":13339.011,"end":13351.404,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條、第八條及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條、第八條及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條、第八條及法制、交通委員會組織法"},{"start":13354.059,"end":13371.129,"text":"國民黨只要提案他還是會通過嘛,因為國民黨是多數嘛。多數黨也是要有一個基本責任啦。不能說你多數黨,你這個責任政治在哪裡,權力分立的原則在哪裡,你就要為所欲為,違法亂紀。這就是我今天對於這個會期以來幾乎都在談這個事情啦。"},{"start":13376.412,"end":13404.686,"text":"所以我覺得這個是今天所謂的根本我想所有民眾對於這個第11屆的立法委員開議到今天我想這個今天也是爭議的所在到底這個立法權你要全面的來你國會拿到多數你要全面的把行政權做這樣的處理我覺得這個其實是本席比較沒有辦法接受所以我想藉著今天的質詢本席要對這個問題提出這樣的一個看法那最後我想這個"},{"start":13406.254,"end":13408.497,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":13426.327,"end":13445.064,"text":"應該對會議詢問作出裁釋,不管這個裁釋委員滿不滿意,但是主席可以作出這個裁釋。那主席如果不裁釋要進行,恐怕這個爭議就會來啦,這個爭議就會出現。那對於剛剛那個到底可不可以移送,你看喔,立法院職業刑事法第48條裡面很清楚地告訴大家,"},{"start":13445.825,"end":13464.633,"text":"立法院吊閱文件時拒絕、拖延或隱匿不提供者,經立法院院會的決議,可以將其移送監察院,依法提出糾正、糾舉或彈劾。48條裡面很清楚的,就白紙黑紙寫在這。我們國民黨倒數,就在委員會間期要跟他說,在這就要準備。這48條的法律條文就寫在這,白紙黑紙寫得這麼清楚。"},{"start":13474.261,"end":13478.323,"text":"立法院第11屆第1次聯席會議及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具"},{"start":13490.97,"end":13493.172,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案案案案"},{"start":13526.245,"end":13553.78,"text":"謝謝那事實上在我開始諮詢之前還是要來講一下剛剛李昆哲委員的一個會議詢問我覺得主席沒有處理這是主席今天我覺得比較遺憾的地方那就算主席剛剛有說你沒有責任義務要針對提案的內容來做說明那顯然就是議事人員有責任要來提醒你"},{"start":13554.48,"end":13560.147,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":13567.122,"end":13568.523,"text":"施指（施指（施指（施指（施指（施指"},{"start":13593.965,"end":13618.312,"text":"主席,我們不是不尊重你喔。召委當然有絕對的權利,但是召委還是必須要尊重職權行使法還有這議事規則喔。所以我在提醒剛剛李昆澤他提的這個會議詢問從頭到尾都被主席跳過。我覺得這是不合規矩也不合規定的喔。我是提醒主席希望以後我們能夠照著立法院的職權行使法還有議事規則來走喔。那接下來我們請陳耀祥主委。"},{"start":13626.914,"end":13649.926,"text":"自我剛剛說的這個議事人員的私職我覺得應該該怎麼處理就應該要處理主委你好主委我想今天從頭到尾其實都只有一個很明確的就是剛剛大家要講的制度建立我們憲法下的一個權力分立還有我們這個憲法制度下裡面獨立機關該怎麼行使它的職責"},{"start":13651.368,"end":13665.988,"text":"司法院大法官有講過行政議題的原則所以我們立法院的這個提案到底能不能逾越這個所謂的行政權我想是今天最主要的論戰對不對那主委你認為你夠專業嗎"},{"start":13668.575,"end":13670.756,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":13685.385,"end":13713.81,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。adequate to be nominated as NCC committee members.而且NCC委員到目前為止還要我們立法委員來行使同意權所以大家可以就NCC委員大的專業到底夠不夠格適不適任當然可以在立法院裡面在審議的時候都可以提出詢問但是"},{"start":13714.85,"end":13715.492,"text":"但是呢在詢問的過程當中呢絕對不是因為要推翻這個制度而提這些案子啊"},{"start":13723.345,"end":13746.06,"text":"之前有委員說我們今天就是因為接下來要審NCC委員的資格所以呢我們現在來提這個組織法的修法這個一陣言辭的說這沒問題可是問題是提的這個組織法的修法法案是違憲的那怎麼會沒有問題呢我們立法委員自己可以提違憲的法案嗎我們不應該走回頭路"},{"start":13750.202,"end":13764.969,"text":"每個委員都知道,這個都是可以去Google。19年前在成立NCC的時候,當時候他們就有藍營,他們呢政黨比例制,雖然通過了行政院就提起視線,"},{"start":13766.721,"end":13793.05,"text":"提起釋憲的結果是什麼?就是司法院大法官就宣告嘛NCC委員依政黨比例制是違憲的嘛是逾越這個而且是干涉這個行政權嘛你看剝奪行政院之人事決定權違反責任政治跟權利分立的一個原則嘛所以如果今天我們在這個委員會在討論這個NCC組織法的修法法案的話"},{"start":13794.19,"end":13797.773,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．"},{"start":13814.54,"end":13827.122,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案件,以及其中一項通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條及其中一項通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條及其中一項通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條及其中一項通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條及其中一項通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條及其中一項通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條及其中一項通訊傳播委員會組織法"},{"start":13842.825,"end":13846.347,"text":"傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案件,並擬具〈國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案件,並擬具"},{"start":13869.159,"end":13870.62,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":13887.93,"end":13892.392,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案﹚二）委員傅崐萁等41人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 案﹚二）委員"},{"start":13915.066,"end":13915.747,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":13946.639,"end":13973.369,"text":"主席大家好我想主委你就坐著就好了因為你回答也是已經都一樣了啦其實我是很感慨啦就從電價國民黨的投票表決阻止這很明顯就是違反行政跟立法的權利"},{"start":13975.509,"end":14000.42,"text":"剛才欣淳也提到NCC政黨比例這個20年前19年前就已經事先過了也很清楚了我想不只是執政黨清楚在野黨應該也非常的清楚包括剛剛蔡其山委員提到的連那個建設的那個特別條例如果可以提一個"},{"start":14001.961,"end":14031.11,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條文"},{"start":14032.244,"end":14048.368,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案（事由．立法院第1次聯席會議及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．立法院第2次聯席會議及法制、交通委員會組織法第3次聯席會議及法制、交通委員會組織法第4次聯席會議及法制、交通委員會組織法第5次聯席會議及法制、交通委員會組織法第6次聯席會議及法制、交通委員會組織法第7次聯席會議及法制、交通委員會組織法第8次聯席會議及法制、"},{"start":14061.397,"end":14085.125,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案﹑三）委員會組織法第四條及第十條條文修正草案 案﹑三）委員會組織法第四條及第十條條文修正草案 案﹑三）委員會組織法第四條及第十條條文修正草案 案﹑三）委員會組織法第四條及第十條條文修正草案 案﹑三）委員會組織法第四條及第十條條文修正草案 案﹑三）委員會組織法第四條及第十條條文修正草案 案﹑三"},{"start":14088.652,"end":14110.956,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第18條條文修正草案．一）立法院第12屆第18條條文修正草案．一）立法院第12屆第18條條文修正草案．一）立法院第13條條文修正草案．一）立法院第14條條文修正草案．一）立法院第15條條文修正草案．一）立法院第16條條文修正草案．一）立法院第17條條文修正草案．一）"},{"start":14116.738,"end":14145.085,"text":"預算案、法律案、條約案,這個行政院是一定要有所作為。但是呢,如果是像重大政策,其實他是可以不理的。但是呢,針對今天我們要調的NCC的人事組織案,這個是屬於法律案。這個如果過了之後,行政院是不能不理的。除非就是再提復議。"},{"start":14146.408,"end":14155.516,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案件,並擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案件,並擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案件,並擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案件,並擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 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案。"},{"start":14256.124,"end":14261.869,"text":"委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員會組織法第四條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員會組織法第四條及第十條條文修正草案。"},{"start":14280.039,"end":14285.302,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一．二）委員洪孟楷等23人擬具"},{"start":14304.412,"end":14318.119,"text":"條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第14條條文修正草案．立法院第14條條文修正草案．立法院第15條條文修正草案．立法院第16條條文修正草案．立法院第17條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第19條條文修正草案．立法院第20條條文修正草案�"},{"start":14339.73,"end":14341.591,"text":"謝謝主席請主席邀請陳主委麻煩陳主委謝謝"},{"start":14347.616,"end":14354.744,"text":"主委午安今天司法法制跟交通委員會聯席就是針對我們NCC的這個組織法的一個修正案那我們看到今天有幾位國民黨的委員提出了針對我們NCC組織法提出這個修正的草案那主要大概就是三個重點"},{"start":14366.877,"end":14367.858,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案案案案"},{"start":14391.338,"end":14397.065,"text":"其實我們來回顧一下就是剛剛很多委員都有提到了事實上在19年前在2005年的時候那時候是阿扁執政那在立法院的話是國親兩黨是實質的過半"},{"start":14406.596,"end":14423.524,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條、第八條及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條及法制、交通委員會組織法"},{"start":14428.766,"end":14437.254,"text":"大法官釋字第613號也做出了這樣子的一個解釋大法官釋字第613號的解釋認為這樣子的一個提案是違憲的那違憲的這個理由主要兩個"},{"start":14445.942,"end":14458.487,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文"},{"start":14474.514,"end":14479.256,"text":"將NCC委員提名人數以政黨比例推薦,實質上侵犯人事權、行政權,實質剝奪。」在之前,大法官就做出了釋字第613號的解釋,已經非常清楚了。我們很遺憾的就是說,今天國民黨仍然再次提出這樣的一個違憲案。"},{"start":14502.406,"end":14506.51,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院"},{"start":14524.468,"end":14552.984,"text":"後來我們有一個最有名例子就是說我們的七位委員裡面有一個所謂四人班跟三口組這個是當然是戲稱但是說會產生整個在運作上來講的話因為內部高度的對立很多的政策或是政務是沒有辦法順利推動所以後來在那時候我記得是在國民黨執政的時期他們當時是修法後來在委員提名的時候就直接指定誰為主任委員誰為副主任委員是這樣的"},{"start":14553.584,"end":14565.33,"text":"那我們也看到這個文件過去的這個文件的一個記載在一百年的時候民國一百年12月14號的時候這個也是經由立法院修正這個NCC組織法第四條的規定將這個主任委員及副主任委員互選的規定把它改為就是由這個行政院院長來提名任命然後經由立法院來行使同意權"},{"start":14579.718,"end":14580.739,"text":"立法院第11會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第十條條文修正草案案案案。"},{"start":14605.894,"end":14607.716,"text":"三）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具 «國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案 。"},{"start":14630.055,"end":14645.531,"text":"制法輪替之後2008到2016年8年國民黨也執政了8年了也是一樣是依照這樣子的組織法在運作嘛對不對也是由他們來提名任命嘛對不對那如果說他們對這樣的一個制度"},{"start":14646.192,"end":14646.592,"text":"三）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具"},{"start":14669.006,"end":14669.968,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 案。"},{"start":14684.309,"end":14685.31,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":14704.211,"end":14717.316,"text":"立法院的委員來來去去,沒有一個人可以保證永遠是贏家,一直待在立法院。可是我們的國家正常的運作,我們就是要靠制度嘛。所以我們希望我們所有的委員要深思。謝謝。謝謝委員。現在我們請徐富奎委員。"},{"start":14732.822,"end":14734.585,"text":"謝謝主席我們有請陳主委請主委"},{"start":14739.934,"end":14757.548,"text":"主委辛苦我記得上次我們在交通委員會的時候我也有諮詢過主委主委有說一定是要回去學校加班我到7月31日後要回去就要加班因為這個政治的羅馬經濟場看起來是讓人休息做老師比較單純"},{"start":14766.235,"end":14793.841,"text":"所以我想今天我昨天回屏東那有很多的鄉親也知道今天我們要來針對這個NCC的組織法做修正蓋在我們的鄉親又叫我等了你要把你勾勒要做一個人說的這個不愛做的最大所以我請主委要堅持就是我們的專業跟所謂一個獨立性應該該做的要做這樣你未來的歷史定位我相信大家會對你困難"},{"start":14797.902,"end":14813.128,"text":"國民黨委員提出的這個版本不僅是走回頭路而且又把違憲這個事情又重提一次所以我在這也要請教主委主委將對這次國民黨委員提出的版本你個人的看法"},{"start":14814.806,"end":14839.905,"text":"這個是走回頭路嘛因為NCCD獨立機關的設計是盡量它讓它中立去政治然後多元嘛啊你的政黨比例是就是把政黨的這個所謂的相關的影響力又加入變成在獨立機關裡面部這個跟它本質上就是有衝突所以當時大法官才會解釋說這個跟這個本身有違憲的問題因為本期也是媒體出身啊那我們都很"},{"start":14841.206,"end":14846.388,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具"},{"start":14857.472,"end":14881.701,"text":"那尤其這次國民黨委員提出的草案裡面有一個更離譜的就是所謂一個免職的規定包含主委、副主委跟委員只要有4種以上包含廢辭職務、因案羈押起訴甚至影響機關信譽還有個人執行行為的失職行為得經立法院連署經過不信任投票予以免職哇這知識體大捏"},{"start":14883.101,"end":14885.523,"text":"立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案"},{"start":14900.652,"end":14928.122,"text":"通訊是會的,因為根據我們來說,就是我們的組織裡面的規定,獨立機關要實施職權是所謂的不受政治干預嘛,那你看他這個免職,免職規定本來現在就有了,他再加一個說其他組織影響機關心意及個人執行之務,根據我們這就是一個不確定的法律概念,他要不要去干預,他就用這個方式去處理嘛。對,所以在這裡本身也是在提醒我們立法院所有的委員,這個當然固然這個提案,這個提案是我們這個職者,"},{"start":14929.923,"end":14942.228,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第15會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第17會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第18會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第19會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第20會期司法及法制、交通委員會組"},{"start":14950.231,"end":14952.793,"text":"立法院第四條條文修正草案案件事宜與其提任時視同出缺。」"},{"start":14968.385,"end":14982.956,"text":"立法院第14屆第11會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14屆第12會期司法及法制、"},{"start":14997.267,"end":15000.288,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案 。"},{"start":15024.336,"end":15042.536,"text":"因為這個消遣委員一個是離職,這個公園服務法還有我們的組織法有關於這個旋轉門條款的規定,所以我們當時表示說為什麼想震驚和遺憾,因為消遣委員基本上來講的話在我們會內已經擔任從事務官開始擔任起,所以他對我們的業務非常的熟悉。"},{"start":15043.937,"end":15070.751,"text":"一般來講表現是很正常沒想到是反而離職後來講出現這個議題啦所以這個部分來講的話當然就是該負的法律責任或是相關的責任因為他已經是人民了平民了他已經不是委員了所以這個還是由檢察官來處理啦最後一個我想我們基層檢察官有組成一個叫做建清檢改的一個單位他們對我們NCC的一個打詐表現很不滿意啦"},{"start":15071.351,"end":15087.648,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第12會期司法及法制、交通"},{"start":15089.65,"end":15117.531,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案案案。厲信委員也提出所謂的NCCU應該在電信法中直接納管所謂一個虛擬行動網路的一個經營者叫NVNO的部分而不是有行動網路業者來管理那我想NCCU會採納這個意見嗎?我們現在新的辦法裡面本來對MMO、MNO都會要去做監理負責這個部分來講的話我們未來來講在電信管理法本來我們現在已經有啟動那個修法小組也在討論這個議題都在處理"},{"start":15119.172,"end":15121.793,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":15156.704,"end":15165.447,"text":"好,接受請吳宗賢委員質詢。你不就要來給我敬禮一下。好,我們請,呃,主委。來,我不會請你的,你,要叫警察來。"},{"start":15184.724,"end":15188.847,"text":"現在請我們來自屏東的丹瑤雄主委。好,主委好。來,主委。"},{"start":15203.902,"end":15224.817,"text":"昨年6月28號我們台灣有舉辦一個世界新聞媒體的年會開幕那當時呢副總統賴清德出席的時候他就致詞說新聞自由是台灣的核心價值那而且說台灣的媒體可以報導任何想報導的內容也可以不受拘束的批評政府請問"},{"start":15226.238,"end":15249.803,"text":"主委認同這句話嗎?那我請教主委齁因為剛剛黃國昌委員有提到說你今天一早就到立法院之後就去民進黨黨團嘛那你有同時去國民黨或民眾黨的黨團嗎?那個黨團的邀請我當然會去啊就基本上我們要溝通的相關的法案或預算這個本來就是主委的責任"},{"start":15250.503,"end":15251.083,"text":"國際通訊傳播委員會組織法第1條黨政軍退出媒體"},{"start":15269.87,"end":15294.611,"text":"但你有做到這個嗎?那為什麼你來你就直接去民進黨團拜會?我是一個政務官這個是規範我們黨政軍退出媒體是規範我們媒體本身那我這個政務官當然在來國會本來就是在各黨團裡面要拜會就像我們比如說各委員如果說像交友會上任的話我們也會去拜會各個委員一樣那你今天來這邊接受詢答你都不知道要迴避喔?"},{"start":15295.372,"end":15297.358,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":15305.219,"end":15310.9,"text":"你之前做了那麼多事我們也都很清楚我沒有問你這個問題我現在先跟你談第一個問題請問一下你們最近北高行109年數字1435號中天電視換照的你們的敗訴理由是什麼"},{"start":15329.343,"end":15343.087,"text":"立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第15會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第17會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第18會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第19會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第20會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第21會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第22會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第23會期"},{"start":15354.19,"end":15357.052,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案案案案"},{"start":15377.26,"end":15399.281,"text":"我來幫你講他說你應該準用107年2月8號的審查辦法的評分基準但是你們卻用109年的那我覺得這個是不是很離譜那如果照你們這樣講那你在學校當老師那學生評分標準可以到時候改來改去嗎?"},{"start":15399.881,"end":15402.844,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案案"},{"start":15419.821,"end":15443.26,"text":"今天這個標準不是只有在中天,所謂的包括中天、中澳台甚至其他的新聞台灣都是同一道標準,沒有這個問題我跟你講喔,NCC現在在很多人的眼中,台灣的媒體在大部分人的眼中我覺得怎麼樣大家心裡都已經有定見了啦那我也尊重你是從學界來的,但是呢我今天看到的北高型的判決它根本就不是你的說法嘛"},{"start":15443.66,"end":15454.384,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組�"},{"start":15473.371,"end":15500.928,"text":"我剛說的全部是依照北高型的判決來論述你也不用跟我解釋那麼多如果你們有意見你之後你再去上訴之後你們再去提你們的意見那我再請教你下一個問題來那個我們這一次有委員會有調查委員會有去跟你們調閱資料調閱那個禁電室的資料為什麼可以不給"},{"start":15501.806,"end":15516.889,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第19條條文修正草案．立法院第19條條文修正草案．立法院第20條條文修正草案．立法院第21條條文修正草案．立法院第22條條文修正草案．立法院第23條條文修正草案．立法院第24條條文修正草案．立法院第27條條文修"},{"start":15531.791,"end":15556.49,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第3會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第4會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第4會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第4會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第4會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第4會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第4會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第4會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第4會期司法"},{"start":15560.993,"end":15570.2,"text":"你先不要講話你現在NCC是立法院的上級機關嗎今天立法院跟你要東西爽就給不爽就說你東西不符合729的規定是這樣子解釋的嗎"},{"start":15575.37,"end":15582.092,"text":"立法院第14屆第11會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16屆第17屆第18屆第19屆第20屆第21屆第22屆第23屆第24屆第27屆第28屆第28屆第29屆第30屆第40屆第41屆第41屆第41屆第42屆第42屆第42屆第43屆第44屆第45屆第46屆第47屆第47屆第47屆第48屆第48屆第49屆第49屆第50屆第50屆第51屆第51屆第52屆第52屆第52屆第53屆第53屆第53屆第54屆第54屆第54屆第56屆第56屆第57屆第57屆第57"},{"start":15601.996,"end":15628.91,"text":"這個跟培委是不是被告也完全無關我不懂為什麼你們可以覺得這樣我不爽就不給你們我跟你講啦之前慶富案的時候調查人家就沒有那麼多意見啦立法院要跟他調資料他們就該給的就都給為什麼今天到NCC來之後就可以不用給另外你們審照是依據衛星傳播電視法所以你也不要跟我說這跟法律案完全無關"},{"start":15630.291,"end":15654.448,"text":"你也不要跟我說這個跟國家重要事項無關因為言論自由就是憲法保障的憲法保障的人民基本權利第二章只要是跟憲法保障有關的這個都是國家的重要事項更何況民進黨整天就是要言論自由言論自由他從來沒有跟你從來沒有但是他都沒有做到我最後跟你講一個東西阿拜託主席最後齁"},{"start":15657.489,"end":15662.077,"text":"我從來不覺得我們台灣是制度發生問題"},{"start":15663.683,"end":15687.981,"text":"我自己這段時間看下來問題都在人啦制度都沒有問題所有的制度設計都非常的好結果到我們台灣來所有的制度都被人在玩弄要嘛你們就鑽肉洞要嘛你們就是去濫用權力我今天看到的就是這樣NCG的存在非常棒這也是言論自由保障的一環但是就是有人"},{"start":15688.721,"end":15713.054,"text":"人去濫用這個制度濫用這個權限用這個東西去做他的政治攻擊包括我們的監察院也是一堆的濫用監察權去做政治攻擊包括一堆的濫用NCC的權利去做政治攻擊這個就是我看到的制度制度沒問題但是濫用的是人好謝謝各位制度沒問題就不應該修法嘛好謝謝委員感謝吳委員等座委員"},{"start":15718.599,"end":15736.849,"text":"制度原本設計沒有問題,就是人濫用制度,所以我們今天不得不就組織法去修法,更嚴謹去排除這些濫用權利的這些人。今天制度原本設計非常美好,但是就是有人濫用,濫用之後逼得我們不得不去修改制度。"},{"start":15737.549,"end":15751.76,"text":"我要告訴你就是這個,其他你不用再發言了。不管有什麼樣的情緒啦,有人說你既然就是政府官嘛,你維持對本人的適當、基本的尊重,這是應該的。"},{"start":15753.601,"end":15768.431,"text":"吳委員剛才在跟你講的,你對不一樣的媒體用不一樣的標準審查,這做內部檢討就好嘛。做內部檢討,你如果認為說問心無愧,那你就對我刷臉嘛。你這麼跟委員一張一張地保管,我告訴你,跟民進黨的委員看你意見不一樣,你這樣我永遠會跟你表達一樣的意見,好不好?我們南部人都很單純的嘛,對不對?"},{"start":15780.697,"end":15781.601,"text":"後來本會的協訓三分鐘"},{"start":16006.328,"end":16007.168,"text":"主席,謝謝,麻煩請陳浩翔主委。"},{"start":16032.322,"end":16057.849,"text":"請教今天早上您來開會之前也先到民進黨黨團是民進黨黨團邀請你還是你主動去民進黨黨邀請民進黨黨團邀請你是用什麼樣的室友那就是今天我們組織法要修正要聽聽我們的意見要聽聽你們意見除了你給的這個書面報告以外還要再聽聽你們意見因為這個本來很受涉及比較專業的部分委員有些對於這些相關的這個組織運動民進黨團主動邀請你什麼時候到的"},{"start":16060.95,"end":16061.91,"text":"三）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具"},{"start":16091.997,"end":16095.419,"text":"有關會議記錄嗎?七月三十一號你有講說你到期了你也不續任是不是?那其他三位委員勒?"},{"start":16111.272,"end":16130.348,"text":"如果說現在我們看起來昨天行政院提出來的名單根本就是跟媒體報導一模一樣之前在帶風向、測風向還有媒體大亨介入斧鑿斑斑這樣的名單送來國會要國會同意根本就痴心妄想"},{"start":16131.365,"end":16158.955,"text":"所以逼國會要把這個名單退回既然我們國會要把這個名單退回有可能到7月31號到任之前委員還不容易產生那其他三位委員他們現在的態度是什麼這可能要問他們個人的意願那您沒有掌握嗎基本上來講我們學界的委員應該都會想回去了只是說至於其他我們翁副主委他因為現在被提名為主委他會不會留下來這要問他才清楚"},{"start":16159.895,"end":16176.542,"text":"所以其他委員除了你以外學界的委員也都會離開表達這種意見但是這個最重要意見要問他們才清楚不要讓本席再看到不要讓國人再看到7月31號之後你們幾位委員還進入NCC"},{"start":16177.765,"end":16179.786,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":16205.305,"end":16212.295,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法"},{"start":16221.536,"end":16224.139,"text":"內部討論?內部討論有經過相關的委員會議程嗎?各別委員?你們有召集委員?還是問?簽合公文?不用簽合公文,我們內部討論交換過,這個接下來要怎麼去處理?"},{"start":16243.083,"end":16253.094,"text":"本席特別看了一下你們在每個禮拜三下午的委員會的時候也沒有召開針對這部分的相關議程所以"},{"start":16254.383,"end":16273.616,"text":"根本就是主委一個人決定,讓本席合理懷疑根本就是主委一個人決定,跟委員是不是所有都知道其實是有相違背的。」這個不是在我們組織法第九條裡面所稱的提到委員會決議的事項嗎?所以我們有接到文以後我們也跟委員說文報告所以內部有經過討論交換意見過。"},{"start":16276.613,"end":16277.594,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":16291.001,"end":16310.01,"text":"交通委員會之前上一屆在交通委員會四年每一次質詢的時候本席也希望就事論事但是讓國人最不滿意以及讓國人沒有信賴的NCC一直逐段上升變成是最不滿意的機關前三名啊主委真的難辭其咎我也同意剛剛朝委的講法"},{"start":16311.07,"end":16329.908,"text":"制度設計出來一定都是有符合當時的一個時空環境但如果人故意要去知法犯法玩法的話什麼樣制度都有漏洞為什麼今天要修法我本席為什麼要提出來我就直接當面告訴你"},{"start":16330.589,"end":16353.63,"text":"就是因為要防小人就是因為當初制度設計的時候沒有想到說有執政者可以那麼的厚顏無恥到濫用這樣的一個制度也因此我們才要來修正法令修正制度讓制度更加的完善這個是法治精神這也請主委要尊重立法院修法是立法委員的職責"},{"start":16354.671,"end":16381.285,"text":"不是你一句講說不用修法就不用修法為什麼要修法你這樣的一個質問根本就是罔顧你是行政官員那個職責最後本席一個忠告上一次質詢的時候我有講過本來期待你能夠向周楚除三害把中天新聞台官台的內幕"},{"start":16382.642,"end":16404.653,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 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是是是那怎麼可以隨便跑掉"},{"start":16929.292,"end":16933.333,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":16957.149,"end":16974.219,"text":"陳主委,其實這個對國會真的是很不尊重啦,因為你們,我跟你講你們基本上很多時候人要離開,他們跟我講一下,我都不會有意見,但我從頭到尾不知道有人離開了。對,他一定要跟我講一下。"},{"start":16983.746,"end":17000.405,"text":"對阿怎麼可以這樣來來來我再來講對對對對所以說我剛才看我我不曉得我是不曉得他沒有跟主席講的我本來以為他是跟主席講的因為我在剛才在站馬車我沒有注意看到他離開的這個事情"},{"start":17003.626,"end":17004.246,"text":"二）委員蔡英文等25人擬具"},{"start":17024.722,"end":17025.963,"text":"三）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具"},{"start":17047.487,"end":17075.186,"text":"我是覺得有點離譜啦因為黃文哲主秘在幾年前我問他事情的時候他還是處長今天請他來做一個證人結果證人不見了好沒關係其實每次看到我們陳主委這幾年來我真的有時候都非常非常生氣但是再看你一眼氣著氣著就笑了如果民進黨政府沒有留幾位像你這樣的這個首長的話這個我想不會有一位賴清德不過半"},{"start":17077.102,"end":17085.474,"text":"所以我在想這個大家期待中立獨立的NCC這是我每次講可是我們看到這幾年真的"},{"start":17088.823,"end":17115.948,"text":"人民的感覺跟我們自己很多委員的感覺剛剛民進黨立委也部分說對您很多表現不見得全部滿意都一樣的道理所以我們現在發覺我們希望事前透過制度今天有提了一些組織法的一個修正其實起心動念啦起心動念是希望源頭能夠提一些品質好的優良的中立的委員希望在源頭能夠來協助"},{"start":17117.248,"end":17124.433,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文"},{"start":17133.038,"end":17148.688,"text":"知道的也裝的不知道,立法院也問不出任何東西,事後呢?結案了,事後我們成立調閱小組,好吧?事終問不到,事後呢?調閱小組,哼,你也不給問,現在態度就這樣。那我想請問一下,我今天就舉個例子,到底發生了什麼事?"},{"start":17155.994,"end":17176.439,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第15會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第17會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第18會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第19會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第20會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第21"},{"start":17180.049,"end":17192.159,"text":"月領五萬元違反公務聯服務法旋轉門的條款。」這個部分我相信你們都清楚了,你們有沒有進行一些這個,因為我覺得這是非常非常讓我們這機關感覺到"},{"start":17196.513,"end":17219.538,"text":"因為他的蒙羞,他做過我們祖密居然搞這種事情,還打炸國家隊。那我覺得你們在有沒有內部做一些請他來約談訪談或者詢問因為他已經是平民身份已經不是官員了不過就我們的相關的這個程序這報導的部分我們要請政方室去調查我們內部也開過廉政會報你有沒有問到蕭啟宏本人"},{"start":17219.998,"end":17227.981,"text":"檢察官已經調查了,檢察官已經調查起訴的部分。我跟你講,他所有調查內容都公開了,都在起訴書裡面啦,不要把它當作機密啦。他未來當然法院最後決定嘛,他起訴的內容比你要講的拖一百倍啦。你現在在講這個,那你當年為什麼約詢陳建平,為什麼約詢民間機構的董事長,因為有關嘛。"},{"start":17248.087,"end":17248.648,"text":"二）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具"},{"start":17273.82,"end":17277.341,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案案案案"},{"start":17290.97,"end":17306.223,"text":"打電話給其他現任的NCC的委員也引薦現任NCC委員等官員請問一下這個事情你們有沒有進行了解是誰他接觸了誰"},{"start":17307.489,"end":17311.632,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案案件"},{"start":17327.142,"end":17347.206,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案．立法院第四條、"},{"start":17356.066,"end":17365.63,"text":"認識有沒有這種安排是不是事實?跟委員報告的就是他蕭委員有曾經 有沒有認識有沒有見面?就是有見過一次面在哪見面?"},{"start":17365.63,"end":17381.675,"text":"也就維持一次見面 喝咖啡吃飯?沒有是在我的辦公室因為我覺得 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案。"},{"start":17795.902,"end":17819.281,"text":"你從來沒有拒絕的問題喔好你沒有拒絕的問題今天我們審議法案呢為什麼因為不足所以立法院的功能代表人民將不足的部分去法律定定之嘛對不對就像今天是在審查這個就叫法律案如果是法律案在審查過程裡面有些資料我們要提供要調研那當然可以啊所以本期再請教你"},{"start":17820.947,"end":17842.719,"text":"大家說NCC亂搞全民還是受害他不只受害還要善後NCC的單位應該是備受全國人民的一個尊敬啊但是似乎所有的系統裡頭NCC是備受質疑最多的最混淆的為什麼所以委員的人事機制應該要檢討你認為呢"},{"start":17845.439,"end":17861.006,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第3會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第4會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第5會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第6會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第7會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第8會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第9會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第10會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第11"},{"start":17866.969,"end":17888.004,"text":"所以本席實質在跟你討論安希希委員應該今天給你很大的一個說明但是你們竟然將自己的公信力跟獨立性都玩掉了在這樣情況之下人民要吞下什麼吞下新聞自由吞下通訊傳播環境思緒的結果"},{"start":17888.946,"end":17892.551,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案案。"},{"start":17901.823,"end":17929.003,"text":"所以因此在這樣的情況之下顯然大家有質疑喔NCC受外力的影響很大有沒有有沒有 有沒有當然沒有我們就是有7個委員去處理嘛我們都希望在這裡公開說明清楚您回答的是沒有但是我告訴您我支持國民黨的版本提案也就是檢討委員的人事機制同不同意"},{"start":17929.981,"end":17958.528,"text":"包括了行政院跟立法院皆有提名單。所以你一直閃躲一直閃躲嘛!所以廢除交錯的任期制你同不同意?不同意你也是閃躲成立提名審查委員會同不同意?審查委員會如果是照4至6月3號解釋那個一樣會行不通的啦"},{"start":17959.648,"end":17960.429,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案案。"},{"start":17968.945,"end":17993.455,"text":"自己來說題目你才回答所以主委你冷靜三思好好地檢討因為尋答就是希望能夠說明再說明再說明能夠達成共識我們的目的就是要還給人民新聞自由還給民主的真諦對不對謝謝委員因為剛離開的官員到場是不是請他稍微說明一下為什麼離開"},{"start":17997.432,"end":17998.633,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案案件"},{"start":18020.259,"end":18035.569,"text":"所以剛剛有幾位委員他在詢答的時候就對這個就有意見了我先跟你說明一下這個狀況好那請回好那下一位我們請王宏威委員王宏威委員王宏威委員好下一位請游浩委員"},{"start":18048.465,"end":18057.63,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案案。"},{"start":18070.124,"end":18089.38,"text":"主委還是要再次表達一下這個NCC目前來講今天的整個審查外界各界都在看那包括剛才組密離席的部分我相信在場不管國民黨或民進黨或民眾黨的委員今天是天上聖母的誕辰大家都很多地方形成要跑那所以說今天來講"},{"start":18090.541,"end":18092.942,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":18111.969,"end":18133.247,"text":"包括他的意識形態就有很大的一個質疑那所以說今天的排案還是一切的合法一切到程序那同樣的我想要直接就教一下主委那在中天關台的這個事件中你認為在過去這個前一年在大選期間有沒有因為這個成為重大的議題或焦點議題"},{"start":18134.181,"end":18161.293,"text":"中天不比幻照本來就是一個重大的議題所以當然在競選過程當中來講當然也會成為一個議題所以今天的許多的委員針對媒體自由、新聞自由、新國會、新民意所以大家提出了許多的看法也就是希望NCC它的角色跟功能能夠實實在在的能夠代表著新聞自由但是目前看起來並不是這樣有一句話"},{"start":18162.693,"end":18186.173,"text":"自有自有多少罪惡假入之民惡行．是1793年在法國巴黎協和廣場斷頭台羅蘭夫倫的一個謎句當時是因為革命的浪潮法王路易十六被送上斷頭台之後羅伯斯比雅各兵派像脫疆野馬還瘋狂獨裁的路線到最後而造成的這種悲劇"},{"start":18187.014,"end":18214.019,"text":"所以說像現在的一個啟蒙他告訴我們自由的概念他必須要有理性的一個束縛不能無限上綱而走火入魔那主委對於這句話你們可以當然那個法國大革命後來變成報名政治嘛那我想台灣現在民主政治是很上軌道所以說過去的中天再到新聞的不自由再到媒體壟斷是不是也對著上次的選舉到最後整個過程對民進黨也有傷"},{"start":18215.821,"end":18230.318,"text":"臺灣的民主自由或是臺灣的新聞自由目前來講在國際排名上在亞洲還是第一的我想這個應該是沒有什麼太大的變化當然我們本來就是一個多元的民主社會用這種數據其實民眾都看得很清楚"},{"start":18230.919,"end":18236.185,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．"},{"start":18246.937,"end":18268.834,"text":"基層的人員公務委員應該也有針對這個部分其實其說許多的意見甚至建議這樣子是不可行但是我相信那時候主委副主委包括許多委員大家一致通過還甚至覺得這樣子沒有問題事實上許多的基層NCC的基層的職員就跟民眾他的看法是一樣的新聞是應該自由的所以說如果今天來講"},{"start":18269.815,"end":18280.179,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．"},{"start":18295.945,"end":18322.174,"text":"我相信在這些的提案的人選其實都有很大的問題所以NCC今天的提案我們必須也支持也需要讓他通過那因為NCC中華民國國家通訊傳播委員會他不是行政院的新聞傳播處也不是傳播二處所以說今天來講的提案他攸關的是我們NCC還新聞到底是不是能夠自由那我相信這個看法你可以接受"},{"start":18322.734,"end":18336.446,"text":"當然新聞事由是大家要共同維護的啦那我們也認為說在目前的現行制度上我們就依法去處理並沒有所謂的議題啦那所以說調閱進電室的這個部分調閱進電室我剛才已經回答很多次就是說我知道你有沒有辦法在520之前能夠讓這個調閱的過程能夠順暢"},{"start":18338.848,"end":18339.429,"text":"三）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具"},{"start":18361.732,"end":18361.892,"text":"條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":18378.53,"end":18389.32,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案案案案﹚立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第12會期司法及法制、交通"},{"start":18406.415,"end":18407.056,"text":"三）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具"},{"start":18434.656,"end":18462.861,"text":"好謝謝那下一位我們請鄭天才委員鄭天才委員鄭天才委員鄭正前委員鄭正前委員鄭正前委員李坤哲委員謝謝召委麻煩一下陳主委請主委"},{"start":18465.026,"end":18465.247,"text":"委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草"},{"start":18468.125,"end":18495.245,"text":"主委你好還沒有吃飯吧還沒有我記得周星馳的喜劇之王他受盡踐踏但是他最重要還是希望有一個便當不過召委我們這個開會當然召委也很辛苦但是也應該要給開會的官員一個適當休息用餐的時間好陳主委我來請教一下關於這一次的提案"},{"start":18495.985,"end":18510.022,"text":"部份的委員有提到這個第四條就是相關的不得嚴認的這樣的一個問題以及啊這個組織法的第十條就是說委員人數不足不得一決但是這個我們"},{"start":18512.108,"end":18513.209,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 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案"},{"start":18620.08,"end":18630.624,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一．一．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二．二�"},{"start":18648.05,"end":18673.683,"text":"是在第六屆的時候那也謝謝高雄的栽培我在當時就是交通委員會的委員2005年第六屆第二會期10月25號國家通訊傳播委員會他的組織法三讀通過他是要到2006年的2月20號來正式成立但是在1月20號"},{"start":18675.74,"end":18685.004,"text":"寫商庭行政院提出釋憲因為相關依照政黨比例的推薦是否違憲所以申請釋憲所以我們在"},{"start":18689.042,"end":18717.148,"text":"提出釋憲之後我看是在2006年的7月21號司法院的釋字第613號的釋字出來那他最主要精神來主委簡單說明一下基本上第一個行政議題所以說行政院必須包括在包含在NCC這個都是他要負責那第二個因為至於這個行政議題所以所謂責任政治所以這個人事提名權是有所謂的行政院長所享有"},{"start":18718.168,"end":18742.361,"text":"立法院雖然對行政院對人事統一權用通過統一權或是資格的限制有他的參與,但是他不能取代行政院長。這個釋字613號的這個釋字啊他其實表明一個很清楚的原則就是啊立法權對行政權的人事決定權尤其是獨立機關他有"},{"start":18743.157,"end":18751.844,"text":"具體的這樣的一個制衡的一個基本的原則他具體表現在對任用資格限制"},{"start":18753.086,"end":18771.137,"text":"條文修正草案．一）立法院第四條條文修正草案．一）立法院第四條條文修正草案．一．立法院第四條條文修正草案．一．立法院第四條條文修正草案．一．立法院第四條條文修正草案．一．立法院第四條條文修正草案．一．立法院第四條條文修正草案．一．立法院第四條條條文修正草案．一．立法院第四條條條文修正草案．一．立法院第四條條條文修正草案．"},{"start":18779.858,"end":18801.296,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第3會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第4會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第4會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第4會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第4會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第4會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第4會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第4會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第4"},{"start":18809.042,"end":18829.952,"text":"如果出問題是立法院負責還是行政院負責呢?這樣那個人事設計是有問題的來主委說明一下這個就是責任政治的問題就是說誰提名誰負責嘛就是包括我們人事的提名權來講行政院提名當然行政院要是負這個責任嘛那所以說像這種所謂的人事跟行政這種分享這個權利的話的確會導致這個所謂的權利分立還有所謂責任政治歸屬不明的這種結果"},{"start":18836.815,"end":18838.496,"text":"事由．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案案案。"},{"start":18858.303,"end":18879.185,"text":"對於委員是否嚴認,如果沒有同意,又不得嚴認,然若委員是人數的不足,又不得議決,那麼相關的很多的面臨到電信整個會癱瘓,這個是大家必須要注意的。好,謝謝委員。謝謝,謝謝李委員。那下一位我們請謝一鳳委員。"},{"start":18881.24,"end":18903.591,"text":"立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期"},{"start":18915.015,"end":18915.235,"text":"三）委員"},{"start":18933.166,"end":18934.246,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":18952.585,"end":18957.926,"text":"立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14條條文修正草案案案案案"},{"start":18984.25,"end":19003.284,"text":"昨天早上來講是去參加那個電信協會有關於打炸的那個相關影視的拍攝,下午是開那個有線機器台,不好意思主委謝謝,主委為什麼會問你這個問題?因為呢在這個相關的說明裡面,這個如果說今天NCC委員沒有辦法"},{"start":19004.793,"end":19027.663,"text":"序任的話NCC會停擺。」這是你們的這個說法。所以我想要確認一下說如果今天委員不在NCC裡面NCC的運作是不是照常在運作?換句話說如果今天NCC的這個所有委員各別各別的事務但我想例行性的行政事務理論上它是不是也會繼續進行?"},{"start":19029.002,"end":19035.711,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通"},{"start":19048.086,"end":19065.911,"text":"基於行政議題所以本會在內的所有行政機關的表現負責所以他的人選行政要有人事決定權各位常提到所謂的四字613號今天主要的論點可能在四字613號大家有各自的想法"},{"start":19066.735,"end":19091.833,"text":"那我要提到竟然是4至6月3號4至6月3號的這個意見書裡面也提到這個通傳會屬於獨立機關性質依法獨立性質權那這個委員也有相關的法律規定無需與行政院院長來同進退是將具有獨立機關性質的通傳會納入行政議題的原則以完全失去其意義就是說如果今天你跟"},{"start":19092.813,"end":19118.31,"text":"一直強調行政議題的話,那其實他本質上跟所謂的獨立機關精神上在大法院意見書面他是有點背道而馳的。而在他那中也曾經說明過大法官前大法官也說明過通傳會如果是獨立機關表示是行政機關獨立於行政院所以可以主張為了要使通傳會獨立於行政院行政院對於通傳會的人事控制就不應該"},{"start":19119.651,"end":19146.062,"text":"不應該是百分之百,如果是百分之百,要怎麼獨立呢?所以如果貫徹的行政議題卻毀掉了...如果為了貫徹行政議題,它等於是毀掉了行政獨立機關的宗旨。在湯德忠這個結論裡面他提到,行政獨立這個概念與行政議題本身具有不可相容性。提供以上的觀點來分享為什麼今天我們會主張說"},{"start":19147.338,"end":19150.3,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":19172.591,"end":19199.787,"text":"另外我要繼續補充啦其實從另外一個角度來講這個于雪平大法官在同樣也在4至6月3號提到說只要他沒有實質的剝奪行政的人事決定權的角度的程度依照政黨比例推薦委候選人或依政黨比例推薦學者專家組成的審查會或其他的方式那其實本質上他並沒有真正的剝奪所謂行政議題的這個方向啦所以這是我要提出來的為什麼今天提出這個相關的法案的修正"},{"start":19200.427,"end":19202.408,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":19231.984,"end":19257.983,"text":"華視111年2月8號提出申請要到52台那他的通過時間是110年3月30要通過審查期間不到60天那比如說以今天事來講他是111年2月通過之後開始申請要上架112年的7月才上架中間經過了16個月今天我們要調閱所謂的審查這個過程就是想了解說為什麼有的電視台"},{"start":19259.364,"end":19276.297,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條條文修正草案 案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法"},{"start":19285.023,"end":19285.704,"text":"三）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具"},{"start":19304.506,"end":19332.129,"text":"基本上來講的話就是說他要不要上架是商業談判的機制的問題而且比如說這個還有所謂區塊化的這個相關的議題所以說比如說華氏可能因為他是公安局的所以一般系統業者比較容易他上那可能是有一些跟商業競爭的議題所以時間上會拖比較長那另外剛才講說這個新烈士這個部分來講的話為什麼這樣這麼付款這是很多是因為他當時在申請的時候他去把這個東西當作他申請的內容把他內容變成付款"},{"start":19332.349,"end":19356.736,"text":"對,沒關係,這部分我們有意見,我是意思說今天為什麼要調閱淨電視,為什麼所謂申請淨電視調閱小組,我們要了解的就是你剛剛說明的這件事情,我們希望你把文字化的東西說明清楚你在行政機關的判斷上面為什麼對不同電視台、不同的媒體可能會有不同的角度嗎?如果沒有,那你要講清楚,如果有,那也要講清楚,這就是我們監督ACC的主要原因嘛。"},{"start":19357.376,"end":19358.797,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":19376.047,"end":19395.102,"text":"公曉林委員他改為書面好那所有登記發言的委員都已經發言完畢詢答結束那委員質詢時要求提供的相關資料會以書面答覆者請相關機關請速送交個別委員跟本聯席會"},{"start":19397.661,"end":19411.814,"text":"委員秋若華、翁曉琳所提的書面質詢列入紀錄、刊登公報並請相關機關以書面答覆。現在進行討論事項,請議事人員宣讀提案條文,宣讀時間大約10分鐘,宣讀後就進行討論,如果有修正動議並一併宣讀,"},{"start":19421.363,"end":19430.298,"text":"另外,立於討論審查法案時,請主要列席機關代表一致主義台陣前方"},{"start":19437.091,"end":19462.56,"text":"對我等一下我還沒講完對我知道我還沒有你們你的問題其實就是我接下來要講了那正前方的那個首長席的位置就座那宣讀後我們休息10分鐘請與會的人到那個利用這個時間用餐宣讀時間大概10分鐘宣讀完之後休息10分鐘就總共20分鐘大家可以吃飯或"},{"start":19463.32,"end":19490.657,"text":"會議的詢問因為宣讀前應當先進行大體的討論才進入宣讀啊應當是我們希望是進行大體的討論再進入條文對啊先休息對我們是要求爭取要大體討論的這一程序來一程序來我們先宣讀完再大體討論嗎我們先宣讀完再大體討論就promise是有大體討論的喔是有大體討論的"},{"start":19493.43,"end":19494.952,"text":"主席,我良心建議齁因為"},{"start":19511.138,"end":19513.659,"text":"三）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具 «國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":19526.471,"end":19540.54,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案．立法院第12屆第13屆立法院第14屆立法院第15屆立法院第16屆立法院第17屆立法院第18屆立法院第18屆立法院第19屆立法院第19屆立法院第20屆立法院第21屆立法院第21屆立法院第22屆立法院第22屆立法院第22屆立法院第23屆立法院第23屆立法院第24屆立法院第24屆立法院第25屆立法院第26屆立法院第27屆立法院第28屆立法院第29屆立法院第30屆立法院第"},{"start":19545.643,"end":19567.228,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第15會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第17會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第18會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第19會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第20會期司法及法制、交通委員會組�"},{"start":19570.134,"end":19593.886,"text":"我知道你未來後面的策略我知道,但是這條沒有多少條啦,不是像執行新法那麼多複雜啦。但是不要給我啦,我知道你們的策略吧。他們需要用餐的時間啦,讓大家半個小時用完餐。因為條文很少。對兩點半然後對大家半個小時。三個條文而已啊。"},{"start":19599.269,"end":19607.656,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第12屆第18條條文修正草案案 案"},{"start":19621.188,"end":19629.614,"text":"就趕快讓他們用餐好嗎?主席啊,吃飯15分鐘不夠再延長啦,15分鐘趕快開嘛我們現在開始宣讀,宣讀時間大概10分鐘,那宣讀完畢之後我們這樣休息15分鐘,我們取一個折衝,15分鐘大家讓議事的人員去吃個飯"},{"start":19647.006,"end":19648.007,"text":"好那我們現在開始宣讀"},{"start":19664.536,"end":19686.149,"text":"議員為副主任委員職務比照檢認第十四職等其餘委員職務比照檢認第十三職等本會委員應具電信資訊傳播法律或財經等專業學士或實務經驗本會委員自本法修正後不分妾賜由行政院及政黨按專長領域各推薦七名"},{"start":19686.869,"end":19714.802,"text":"其中政黨應依其在立法院所占席次比例分配名額推進名單應交由行政院組成之提名審查委員會以下簡稱審查會審查之。前項審查會由各政黨團依其在立法院所占席次比例推薦11名學者、專家組成審查委員應含瓜設有大眾傳播或通訊等相關系所之大專院校"},{"start":19716.688,"end":19738.184,"text":"傳播產業及非政府組織之專家學者審查會應於接受推薦名單後20日內完成審查。本項審查應以聽證會程序公開為之。行政院院長應於7日內參酌審查會審查結果提出名單,送請立法院同意。立法院應於收到名單後不經討論交付相關委員會審查。"},{"start":19740.766,"end":19768.867,"text":"審查候提書院會以記名投票表決經超過全體立法委員二分之一之同意為通過,請將立法院審查過程中應舉行聽證會,邀集相關學者專家、公民團體及社會公正人士共同參與審查,如通過人數不足7名,應由行政院在7日內再次提出名單,送請立法院依相同程序為同意與否之表決。"},{"start":19771.084,"end":19796.355,"text":"法制同意人數達七名時行政院應及同時任命本會七名委員其政黨黨籍相同者不得超過三位第三項第四項之推薦各政黨團位於其縣內完成者視為放棄本會七名委員應於任命後之次日就職並互選正副主任委員"},{"start":19797.395,"end":19811.411,"text":"行政院院長應於選出後7日內任命,主任委員、副主任委員應分屬不同政黨團推薦人選,行政院院長推薦至委員適同執政黨推薦人選,"},{"start":19812.532,"end":19841.245,"text":"委員認滿三個月前應依第三項第四項程序提名任命新任委員如因立法院不同意過出缺制委員人數未達足而時異同本會委員任期屆滿未能依前項規定提任時適同出缺本會主任委員、副主任委員及委員有下列情形之一者得由立法院連署成案經不信任投票後於免職"},{"start":19843.527,"end":19862.307,"text":"因廢時職務、二）因案受羈押或經起訴、三）其他足以影響機關信譽及個人執行職務正當性之失職行為、四）因離聘至無法執行職務、本條修正規定之行使同意權程序、四）公佈日期施行。"},{"start":19863.448,"end":19880.476,"text":"委員傅崐萁等41人提案第四條第一項及第二項修正為本會至委員7人均為專任任期4年任滿得連任本會委員之產生程序如下一由立法院推舉11名至15名"},{"start":19882.057,"end":19907.95,"text":"社會公正人士組成國家通訊傳播委員會審查委員會以下簡稱審查委員會。二（由行政院提名委員候選人提交審查委員會經全體委員二分之一以上之同意後由行政院院長提名經立法院同意後任命之。三（行政院院長為提名時應指定一人為主任委員一人為副主任委員。"},{"start":19909.656,"end":19933.691,"text":"第三項由原第二項條文遞移第四項由原第三項條文遞移並將後段修正為委員之黨籍應與立法院政黨之比例相符但同一黨籍則不得超過委員總數三分之一。第五項由原第四項條文遞移並將第三具條文中第一項修正為第二項"},{"start":19935.68,"end":19963.749,"text":"第六項手具具首的第一項修正為第二項其餘未修正。委員洪孟楷等提案第四條第一項修正為本會至委員7人均為專任任期4年任滿得連任一次其中一人為主任委員特任對外代表本會一人為副主任委員職務比照檢任第14職等其餘委員職務比照檢任第13職等"},{"start":19965.56,"end":19986.778,"text":"第二項由原第三項條文遞移,令增訂第三項至第五項。本會委員應由行政院及政黨案專長領域及實務經驗各推薦7名,其中政黨團應依其在立法院所在席次比例分配名額。"},{"start":19988.294,"end":20002.853,"text":"推介名單應交由行政院組成之提名審查委員會以下簡稱審查會審查。前項審查會由各政黨團依其在立法院所佔席次比例推薦11名學者專家組成。"},{"start":20005.798,"end":20035.318,"text":"審查委員應包含設有大眾傳播或通訊等相關系所之大專院校、通訊傳播產業及非政府組織之專家學者。審查會應於接受推薦名單後20日內完成審查。本項審查應以聽證會程序公開為之,並以記名投票表決。行政院院長應於7日內參著審查會表決結果提出名單,送請立法院同意。"},{"start":20036.478,"end":20058.289,"text":"立法院應於收到名單後15日內以記名投票表決,以立法委員總額二分之一同意為通過,行政院即任命之。委員會應於七位委員任命後之次日就職,並互選正副主任委員,主任委員、副主任委員應分屬不同政黨團推薦人選。"},{"start":20061.718,"end":20085.18,"text":"第六項至第八項分別由原第四項至第六項條文遞移並將第七項後二具修正為或提認未能通過立法院同意時原任委員之任期其應終止不得延任其餘未修正。委員翁小林等提案第四條第一項修正為"},{"start":20086.121,"end":20108.819,"text":"本會致專任委員五人任期四年任滿得連任一次由行政院長提名二名委員其中一人為主任委員一人為委員經立法院同意後任命其餘三名委員由立法院提名以請行政院任命。增訂第二項本會之副主任委員由委員互選產生"},{"start":20110.629,"end":20136.534,"text":"第三項至第五項分別由原第二項至第四項條文遞移,並將第五項前二具合併修正為本會委員任滿三個月前,第六項修正為第一項規定之提名同意任命程序自修正公佈日起施行,原任全體委員之任期至新任委員就職前一日止,其餘未修正。"},{"start":20138.103,"end":20149.536,"text":"委員傅崐萁等41人提案第八條除第三項增訂默劇,亦不得擔任公職人員或代表政黨參選公職人員其餘未修正。"},{"start":20150.782,"end":20169.66,"text":"委員傅崐萁等41人提案第十條除第三項第二具修正為因以本法第四條第一項委員總額過半數之同意行之,其餘未修正。委員洪孟楷等提案第十條第一項至第七項未修正,增訂第八項"},{"start":20171.431,"end":20192.569,"text":"本會委員有任期屆滿、第六條之情形或其他原因未能繼續擔任委員至委員總額未達本法第四條關於人數之規定在補足前不得將議案提付表決。」 宣讀完畢繼續修正動議部分修正動議一"},{"start":20194.668,"end":20221.218,"text":"對照委員傅崐萁等33人提案條文第四條第3項至第11項修正為第3項至第7項。若為本會委員自本法修正後不分屆次由行政院院長依下列程序任命之一（由立法院推薦9名社會公正人士交由行政院組成提名審查委員會二（由行政院提出推薦名單交由提名審查委員會審查"},{"start":20222.959,"end":20251.938,"text":"經全體委員過半致同意後,送請行政院院長提名。三）就行政院院長提名之人選,經立法院同意後任命之,無應立法院不同意或出缺致本會委員人數未達足額時,準用前項規定。行政院院長提名時,應指定一人為主任委員,一人為副主任委員。第三項第一款之提名審查委員會,由各政黨團依其在立法院所暫席次比例推薦之。"},{"start":20258.052,"end":20283.541,"text":"本會委員任期屆滿未能依第三項規定提案時視同處缺。原第十二項第一為第八項。提案人委員黃國昌、林國成、程雪生。修正動議二）對照委員洪孟楷等25人提案條文。第四項修正為前項審查會由行政院推進三名及各政黨團依其在立法院所占席次比例推薦八名學者專家組成。"},{"start":20284.961,"end":20299.961,"text":"審查委員應包括設有大眾傳播或通訊等相關系所之大專院校、通訊傳播產業及非政府組織之專家學者。審查會應於接受推薦名單後,20日內完成審查。"},{"start":20300.962,"end":20326.274,"text":"本項審查應以聽證會程序公開為之,並以記名投票表決。行政院院長應於7日內參佐審查會表決結果提出名單,送請立法院同意。立法院應於收到名單後15日內以記名投票表決,以立法委員總額二分之一同意為通過。行政院及任命之,其餘未修正。提案人委員林思明、洪孟楷、翁曉琳、羅志強宣讀完畢。"},{"start":20342.604,"end":20353.312,"text":"條文跟修正動議已經宣讀完畢一到先前的宣告因為剛有委員希望說讓議事人員能夠多一點時間休息所以我們休息到2點30分好謝謝各位"},{"start":21575.538,"end":21578.421,"text":"大體討論後再進行逐條審查。大體討論每人發言4分鐘,請到主席台登記。"},{"start":21652.199,"end":21656.12,"text":"通訊通訊通訊通訊通訊通訊通訊通訊通訊通訊通訊"},{"start":21680.626,"end":21698.264,"text":"主席、各位委員同仁今天我們審查NC組織法當然這裡面有一個最重要的重點就是說大法案6134字已經判決正常比喻是違憲的在談這個以前我剛才有在電視上看到"},{"start":21699.659,"end":21718.413,"text":"召委在執行以及副委員在執行。你一直說一句話,製度沒有問題,都是人為的問題。副委員也是跟你講說,民進黨要給他太多的善意,已經給他善意了,不要給他一直發言,一直恐慌你。"},{"start":21719.172,"end":21736.957,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案（事由．立法院第12屆第13條文修正草案．立法院第14屆第18條文修正草案．立法院第18條文修正草案．立法院第18條文修正草案．立法院第18條文修正草案．立法院第19條文修正草案．立法院第19條文修正草案．立法院第20條文修正草案．立法院第21條文修正草案．立法院第22條文修正草案．立法院第23條文修正�"},{"start":21742.518,"end":21763.2,"text":"和孟楷提的版本、歐小林也提的版本但是各位你們有沒有看到你們的版本還有一個黃國昌的修正案你們有沒有看到你們的版本長得怎麼樣這個版本裡面有沒有互相漢格的地方和邏輯不一樣的地方、法律不一樣的地方呢到底你們有沒有仔細看清楚"},{"start":21765.027,"end":21789.901,"text":"這裏面我們要談的就是說道觀4613當年在立法院的時候為了這個NCE比例、立民共政黨比例而陷於火大家吵架甚至占領主義台造成了整個那一年隔年的中央政治總預算全部比列半年是一個非常嚴重的衝突那時候時任的行政院長就是蘇文昌院長"},{"start":21791.038,"end":21813.869,"text":"副院長蔡英文副院長今天我們這樣來過往的時間來看的時候整個AZ組織法總共經過四任的行政院長行政院長後來才完成那最主要的問題叫什麼就是不能剝奪行政院長的人事權這是違憲的"},{"start":21817.85,"end":21836.375,"text":"立法委員是一節法案預算先任過後等案。」這是憲法規定很清楚。立法委員並沒有任命官員的權利。假如這樣可以的時候以後的所有政務官是不是有照這種比喻來分呢?所以你們寫版本叫"},{"start":21839.302,"end":21857.774,"text":"就實質的剝奪,這一點是被判違憲的。今天你們就案重提,曾經被判違憲的版本,再拿出來提一次。我不知道國民黨在想什麼?歐洲人版本更精進,他只剩下5個人,他有一半,今天只能夠提兩個人。"},{"start":21860.436,"end":21870.282,"text":"一個人當主委一個人當委員副主委是剩下三個立法委員來提所以這裡面講的每一個都是違憲"},{"start":21871.792,"end":21896.784,"text":"我再清楚講一次,所有違憲版本再怎麼樣都是違憲。你再重提一次,下一次再重提一次,還是違憲了。我現在先警告國民黨,你們有四個版本要如何整合,你們事先講清楚再來好不好。所以今天我要特別要講的就是說,整個審查是一個很簡單的邏輯而已。這樣一個簡單的邏輯,過去大法官全部事先過了。"},{"start":21897.944,"end":21899.185,"text":"委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 案。"},{"start":21909.943,"end":21937.231,"text":"同時申提出了緊急處問。大法官馬上判緊急處問下來。那緊急處問很快就下來。所以把這個所有的違憲版本、立法院處委員會的版本、處委院會的版本、總統公告的版本全部拼頂起來。所以各位在這方面要小心、要想清楚。否則你們今天再搞一次,也是歷史重演,再違憲一次而已。這次就讓你們國民黨、民眾黨頓壓落開而已。"},{"start":21941.415,"end":21968.364,"text":"謝謝柯總召那接下來請鍾嘉斌委員發言好主席在場的各位聯席委員我想對於本會期開議以來以國民黨為主的黨團的提案首先有幾個現象第一個是雜"},{"start":21970.587,"end":21997.444,"text":"過去縱使國民黨是在野黨團通常會整合出黨團版來跟民進黨黨團版或是行政院版做對應但是不曉得為什麼原因很雜甚至同一個委員還提出不同的版本那到底是用哪個版本我想連自己本身提案委員或連署委員都莫衷於事第二個是急急著要求"},{"start":21999.059,"end":22028.029,"text":"輪值召委該黨的召委趕快排議程而且急到什麼程度急到其他黨團其他委員非他們主義的版本都不給排最後一個是強雜急再來強人數優勢本來就是豪爭以暇其實相對的少數也只有只能循議事規則透過議事規的保障一步一步的往前推進所以"},{"start":22029.127,"end":22056.727,"text":"中規一句話,砸也好、強也好,就是急。為什麼急著要在520之前通過這些法案呢?我想在立法院職權刑事法我們看得很清楚,當中有一個跟總統有關的國情報告。但是今天NCC這個法案談了半天,如果說在野黨的版本就是為了中天審招未過,"},{"start":22057.867,"end":22060.148,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":22075.603,"end":22095.661,"text":"所以認為這個委員會是被特定政黨把持那既然認為中天審照未過是NCC委員被特定政黨把持現在提出來版本又說要一政黨比例那言下之意未來的多數黨還是可以透過政黨比例繼續把持NCC啊"},{"start":22096.844,"end":22124.482,"text":"這樣的提案的修正內容毫無意義,而且剛好是自打耳光。如果說真的要從這些版本當中挑出一個跟我們進步價值反媒體壟斷比較有關係的,或許有幾個部分,比如說限制委員當中具備政黨黨籍的單一黨籍不得超過三分之一,但是對於其他的人員不應該要求必須隸屬於某個政黨之下,難道由其他政黨來推薦,目的就是為了讓黨黨指揮嗎?"},{"start":22126.563,"end":22152.512,"text":"這是非常的非常不恰當另外我們目前就要求獨立機關的像NC這樣委員應該禁止參與政黨活動甚至要進步要說退出政黨我都覺得可以考慮支持但是請千萬你的邏輯要一致如果過去NC是被特定政黨把持那麼就沒有所謂的政黨比例代表推薦的問題這是第一個第二個"},{"start":22153.717,"end":22168.087,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條．一）立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第15會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第17會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第18會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第18會期司法"},{"start":22176.121,"end":22194.775,"text":"第三個最終的目的就是要在7月前本屆NCC委員他是任期教授有一半屆滿之後如果說這些東西都不能通過NCC就全部停擺公平會有這樣的延任條款是避免公平會停擺"},{"start":22197.077,"end":22214.293,"text":"那為什麼要讓NCC停擺?為什麼要設下一個把這個規定拿走讓NCC停擺的規定?就是因為NCC跟我們民生相關勝據新的手機沒有進行NCC審驗不可上違法的藥品廣告沒有NCC不能取締侵犯兒少的性影像沒辦法移除"},{"start":22215.114,"end":22233.453,"text":"所以我請在野黨的委員各位黨團的委員尤其是台灣民眾黨你們在提修正動議的時候特別注意這一條這個條文如果把原來跟公平委一樣有的維持委員會持續運作的條款拿掉一旦出缺不能正常運作那很抱歉"},{"start":22234.844,"end":22246.951,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第"},{"start":22255.967,"end":22275.923,"text":"你可以搶,但是請你不要急。你一急就顯得把人民的權益擱在一邊,只看到政黨的勢力。」好,謝謝。那接下來我們請陳書悅委員。那陳書悅委員發言完畢之後我們的登記發言就截止。好,謝謝。"},{"start":22283.518,"end":22289.461,"text":"謝謝主席今天聯席會議討論有關NCC的組織法修正案我們剛剛在巡討的時候很多委員都有提到NCC組織法在2005年通過之後當時在國會是國親過半的情況之下就已經有提案要主張把NCC的委員組成要由各政黨案比例來推薦"},{"start":22311.633,"end":22339.168,"text":"那後來經過行政院提出釋憲之後也經由大法官的這個解釋是違憲的所以在這個組織法通過之後然後經過釋憲那這個ACC在2006年2月12號成立之後就依照這樣子的這個組織法在運作當然其中也有經過幾次的小修包括說這個主委跟副主委這個互推的這個制度"},{"start":22339.688,"end":22348.936,"text":"後來因為在實施的過程之中有產生就是因為在運作過程當中沒有辦法順利的運作就是有這個增值的部分所以也後來在那時候馬英九執政就是一百年的時候也是經由立法院來修正NCC的組織法第四條規定把主任委員跟副主委互選的規定把它改成就是由行政院來提名任命所以"},{"start":22369.572,"end":22370.693,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":22391.701,"end":22394.383,"text":"國民黨是完全執政的,在國會也是過半數的,為什麼不來進行修改呢?為什麼要在目前民進黨執政,然後你們在藍白過半的情況下才要來做這個強行這樣子的一個修正的草案呢?"},{"start":22409.753,"end":22410.054,"text":"三）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具"},{"start":22425.834,"end":22426.294,"text":"三）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具"},{"start":22455.126,"end":22475.803,"text":"針對競爭法還有通訊傳播領域金融監督領域這幾個部分的一個獨立機關的研究這些部分這些國家的這個獨立機關基本上大部分的這個委員的產生也是由行政部門來提名由民意機關來通過的那我們國家的這個獨立機關的設計主要是參與這個美國的一個設計"},{"start":22481.247,"end":22489.594,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員傅崐萁等34人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等34人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等34人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等34人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員"},{"start":22508.01,"end":22521.894,"text":"所以我們希望說制度沒有問題之下我們不要就是基於這個政黨的一個私利然後再強行做這樣子一個不合理的一個修改我想這樣子的一個如果是蠻橫的一個修改通過我想民眾都看在眼裡我們不希望說這個藍白夾著國會過半的這樣子的一個優勢做這樣不合理蠻橫的一個法令的一個修改"},{"start":22536.278,"end":22538.239,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":22576.224,"end":22599.372,"text":"主席各位同仁我想今天我們也看到這個大概可以預知今天審查的結果因為這個我們看到這個多數黨也動員了這個大軍押進大概都已經正式擺開也沒有打算要真的理性討論不過我個人我也知道說我們今天在這邊講講一講也是告別灰車啦反正你們這個灰車曬過來我們就叫你們告過"},{"start":22604.346,"end":22615.515,"text":"但是該講的還是要講,我們要留下這樣的歷史記錄在今天早上詢答的時候,我也講得很清楚"},{"start":22618.948,"end":22633.658,"text":"事實上這個NCC的這個這個成立齁那時候在2006年成立的時候他立法的過程那時候第六屆的時候我個人在第六屆我就是立法委員那時候整個立法的過程齁我也非常的記憶猶新齁"},{"start":22635.579,"end":22652.651,"text":"當初所立出來最後立出來的法因為那時候國民黨是多數雖然民進黨執政陳水扁擔任總統那國民黨是多數那立法出來的結果就是依政黨比例代表制依政黨比例代表來來來政黨的比例來產生這個NCC的委員結果立法一通過"},{"start":22653.919,"end":22676.504,"text":"那時候的行政院長把這個法案就送大法官會議解釋馬上解釋就下來就宣告依政黨比例產生這個NCC的委員是違憲的理由講得很清楚第一點就是基於行政一體這個國家通訊傳播的管理是屬於行政權的一部分你由這個政黨比例這個"},{"start":22678.709,"end":22696.707,"text":"這個你針對這樣子的行政權利你可以給他限制可以用同意權可以限制但限制有其界限有其界限你不能夠完全禁於取代用政黨比例禁於取代這個解釋得非常清楚所以那時候就宣告這樣的方式是違憲了"},{"start":22698.275,"end":22716.81,"text":"審法沒有改、審法沒有變。」大法官解釋也還在那裡。但是今天我們看到國民黨提出來四個版本都更甚於當年被宣告違憲的版本。今天所提出來的版本還有說連提名權都依政黨比例組成審查委員會依政黨比例來審查連提名"},{"start":22721.923,"end":22751.049,"text":"那時候只是說在這個委員的部分採政黨比例就宣告違憲了現在連提名都要依政黨比例組成審查委員會從提名開始就政黨比例完了之後再按照政黨比例政黨比例完了以後再行使同意權這個我想今天這個法例了大概我們可以看到結果就是一樣在送釋憲釋憲之後那當初就已經宣告違憲了現在比過去宣告的更加違憲"},{"start":22753.035,"end":22781.708,"text":"我認為這個是真的是奉勸國民黨的朋友能夠三思尤其是這個制度現在這個制度不是民進黨設計的這個制度呢這制度是在2009年由國民黨朱鳳之委員領銜提案當時的這個連署人有很多現在大部分都已經不可考都已經退休了但是其中有一位我還認識"},{"start":22783.533,"end":22811.864,"text":"現在還在當就是傅崐萁。傅崐萁當初是這個法案的連署人為什麼2009年他們會國民黨今天這個制度就是國民黨當時國民黨執政總統馬英九立法院多數的時代2009年國民黨自己提案在2011年由國民黨多數的這個立法院通過的就是今天的制度就是這個制度"},{"start":22813.348,"end":22832.021,"text":"所以這個制度不是民進黨說我們民進黨為了自己這樣子設計這個制度今天來這個不是這個制度是國民黨的時候用多數通過的由行政院長提名由立法院行使同意權這個制度今天的制度你們大家國民黨口中這萬惡不赦的制度是國民黨自己提的那今天時空轉換"},{"start":22836.414,"end":22854.486,"text":"民主政治本來是這樣體制就是體制那時空轉換我們今天執政未來有可能國民黨馬上也要執政也有可能啊但是制度不要因為我現在我們立法院的比例大家政黨比例改變了我們就要來改制度這樣就叫做玩弄制度"},{"start":22855.612,"end":22881.286,"text":"國民黨多數的時候就說他們要這樣那現在沒有執政又多數他們就又要那樣把制度這樣子因應因因為這個政治勢力的改變而來調整這個制度這個絕對不是民主政治長治久安之道啦所以在這裡我們是我知道這個是告不虛假但是應該不會還是要不會我們要留下歷史紀錄以上謝謝沈委員那下一位我們請何欣淳委員發言"},{"start":22888.927,"end":22911.725,"text":"謝謝各位委員還是要苦口婆心的來請各位委員要三思了這個制度呢是真的要長治久安要可長可久啊真的不要因為現在不滿民進黨的執政就來修改制度我再提醒一次喔當初呢會成立NCC那制度的設計它就是一個獨立機關"},{"start":22913.326,"end":22937.623,"text":"獨立機關最重要的就是有兩個一個就是他的專業性一個就是他的去政治性那去政治化的這個這件事情我們來看今天這個整個不管是傅崐萁委員的兩個版本或者是洪孟楷的版本或是翁曉琳的版本今天這四個版本裡面每一個版本"},{"start":22938.544,"end":22956.396,"text":"就是政治,就是政黨,這個政黨比例代表這個東西早就在2005年2006年的時候就已經宣告違憲所以今天這些法案的版本不管我們怎麼審除了委員會他還是違憲他還是違憲他就是違憲"},{"start":22962.176,"end":22970.219,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第12會期司法及法制、交通"},{"start":22988.251,"end":22997.3,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員傅崐萁等23人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及"},{"start":23008.371,"end":23024.647,"text":"譬如說其中一個版本是行政院提七名國會依政黨比例提七名另外一個版本也是副委員他自己的版本那很多國民黨的委員有連署全數由行政院來提名"},{"start":23025.808,"end":23027.97,"text":"正副主委選舉方式不一樣,正副主委由委員互選,正副委員由行政院提名。"},{"start":23048.598,"end":23068.706,"text":"那我就不知道說等一下我們再繼續再討論這個整個好兇羞派這些版本裡面到底是有什麼意義啊這提案真的是非常的不負責任啊所以我還是建議大家三思而後行啊我們今天在委員會提的這些要討論的這些法案根本都是違憲"},{"start":23070.447,"end":23099.442,"text":"根本都是違憲我還再提醒一次既然是違憲的一個相關的制度討論我們是不是應該應該要暫停我們是不是應該再審視一下我們是不是應該要為自己的提案為自己的行為來為歷史來做負責任的我相信呢拜託各位委員都是偉大的政治家大家好好的思考一下以上謝謝"},{"start":23104.898,"end":23106.547,"text":"下一位我們請陳俊宇委員"},{"start":23117.571,"end":23138.251,"text":"好謝謝主席那我們從今天一早到現在從我們各位委員的和我們陳主委的這個答詢的內容我們可以看出因為NCC的相關業務涉及的這個層面相當的廣泛那更與我們的生活息息相關"},{"start":23139.372,"end":23147.858,"text":"立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案件,包括民聲、電信、手機及各類通訊設備的送審、網路及媒體、電台等的"},{"start":23159.147,"end":23175.02,"text":"合照跟換照等等的這些業務,那也看出我們NCC所有的委員這個對於這些案件的這個壓力這個7個人不一定可以負荷,那如果不勝"},{"start":23176.06,"end":23188.392,"text":"在這個修法的過程裡面造成NCC空轉或是癱瘓對於國家會造成這個重大的影響所以我們一定要更加審慎的來討論對於今天要修的這幾個這個組織法的部分"},{"start":23195.836,"end":23212.302,"text":"其實也是在過去國民黨執政時期所修的我們今天看到這四個案件有違憲還有不合時宜的部分應該是要合理化才能夠符合全民的期待"},{"start":23215.407,"end":23223.353,"text":"條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第3會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法"},{"start":23230.418,"end":23231.979,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":23247.006,"end":23261.422,"text":"行政院來做任命。當然這個也會影響到NCC作為一個獨立的機構的這種獨立性與專業性也會造成NCC的這個政務推動的一個困難所以"},{"start":23262.143,"end":23288.421,"text":"本席建議我們應該還是要尊重NCC委員會委員們的專業和多元也讓我們優秀的這些人才能夠進入到NCC委員會裡面來為國家服務當然在此我還是要提醒我們未來所組成的新NCC委員會一定要超越黨派"},{"start":23290.001,"end":23313.354,"text":"確實做到保障消費者及尊重弱勢的權益並且能夠保障每個族群的言論自由來促進多元的文化均衡發展我相信也唯有這樣子才能夠有效做到監督管理之責也可以讓我們全民對於NCC重拾最大的信心以上"},{"start":23316.633,"end":23325.312,"text":"謝謝陳委員下一位我們請羅志強委員羅志強委員羅志強委員好現在我們請李坤哲委員"},{"start":23334.709,"end":23355.202,"text":"謝謝召委我想今天民主政治的發展雖然是不同的黨派當然有意識形態或者是對於相關事務的政治看法有所衝撞或者是不同這當然都是常見的一個現象但是大家在對於相關的政治的這樣的一個攻防的過程裡面"},{"start":23356.277,"end":23365.234,"text":"傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案 順循憲政的運作,仍然是政治的一個基本的原理。其實我們今天在討論到相關的"},{"start":23368.606,"end":23392.147,"text":"國家通訊傳播委員會組織法的修法其實我感慨是蠻深的當初國家通訊傳播委員會的這樣的一個組織法的修法過程三讀通過或者是NCC的正式成立以及相關的這樣的一個613號失智案的出爐其實有很多委員當時都還在"},{"start":23394.989,"end":23417.533,"text":"審判會委員蔡奇昌委員柯建民委員以及胡坤祺委員這些上古神獸當初都是經歷過這一些修法的過程所以說對於憲政的這樣的一個運作的過程我們也知道在2005年的10月25號"},{"start":23422.868,"end":23446.336,"text":"傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案。在2006年的1月20號當時的謝長廷行政院就提出了相關的事件的申請。在2006年的2月22號NCC正式的成立。到了2006年的7月"},{"start":23448.706,"end":23474.122,"text":"司法院的釋制第613號也正式的出爐。當時爭議最大的司法官所提出的相關的這些釋制的內容就是明擺的指出立法權對於行政群所擁有的獨立機關的人事決定權的一個制衡,它具體的表現是對於任用資格的限制。"},{"start":23475.384,"end":23478.786,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．"},{"start":23497.073,"end":23498.694,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":23520.236,"end":23548.539,"text":"更重要的他對於相關的電信民生的議題啊我一再提醒各位有委員的版本提到如果沒有同意委員不得言認或者是委員的人數不足不得議決我真的再提醒一次iPhone16啊還是要經過NCC的形式的一個認證如果"},{"start":23549.599,"end":23563.728,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案件不得言認甚至是人數不足就不得意覺的話我們每年有4至6萬件的這樣的一個行政處分需要確認或是意覺這個都會產生很大的爭議。憲政的運作"},{"start":23568.646,"end":23587.493,"text":"可以讓政黨之間的競爭、衝撞、對抗有一個基本遵循的一個原則。」這個希望大家還是要遵循基本的憲政運作。以上。好,謝謝。那接下來我們請莊瑞雄委員發言。"},{"start":23594.036,"end":23596.318,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案案。"},{"start":23608.151,"end":23611.974,"text":"立法院第四條條文修正草案．立法院第四條條文修正草案"},{"start":23638.471,"end":23651.924,"text":"本席認為他還是沒有過時,這個還是我們憲法的一個基本精神,同時他也沒有去限制立法權制度的一個干預。我在這個地方就用這樣來回應我們在野黨的朋友,"},{"start":23653.035,"end":23676.801,"text":"立法委員大不大當然很大按照憲法的設計你屬於國家重要的事項立法委員全部都可以管他全部都可以管可以問但是這個可以管可以問如果倒到最後是我們把最高行政機關行政院他的人事權你把他剝奪了甚至由立法院立法委員來獨攬"},{"start":23678.281,"end":23694.876,"text":"這個就違反了整個權力分立的一個原則了立法權跟行政權是平行的民主的一個正當性行政院當然要對立法院來負責但是這個行政院長是總統直接去做一個任命我為什麼說立法委員不是想要怎麼樣就可以怎麼樣"},{"start":23696.577,"end":23702.8,"text":"你不要想說憲法大法官我管你管你那麼多我立法委員我選出來最新民意愛怎麼樣就可以怎麼樣不對我們的憲法第75條你去把它看就像你就算你很大你想去任命任何一個官吏憲法也跟你說不行啊"},{"start":23714.964,"end":23718.929,"text":"也許NCC不符合這個社會大眾的期待不符合在野黨朋友你們對它整個這個獨立機關的一個期許但是呢並不會因此它的行政上的人事任命權就把它移轉到立法院我很仔細的去把它比較"},{"start":23733.587,"end":23733.827,"text":"三）委員傅崐萁等34人擬具"},{"start":23755.931,"end":23770.851,"text":"不能討論,送相關委員去審查,然後到最後來做一個表決。到了3月15號,副委員再提出來的又不一樣了。立法院推舉審查委員會,行政院提名,然後送審查委員會,審查委員會二分之一同意以後,立法院同意,這樣就可以了。"},{"start":23772.992,"end":23774.292,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":23796.36,"end":23800.305,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第十條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":23811.317,"end":23827.426,"text":"你看2006年那一次當初在審的時候國民黨四個、民進黨四個、親民黨兩個、台聯一個審到最後投票投了三輪所有的學者專家本來是社會上享有輕易的結果經過投票以後一一全部都現行"},{"start":23828.413,"end":23831.196,"text":"本來都是叫做社會選黨結果投票出來以後呢到最後每一個人政黨的傾向一清二楚啊到最後啊你看那個選出來的那13個裡面呢連清到那個電機系主任呂中軍的講說我讓你們立法院愚弄一下到最後實際上就上任的才9個"},{"start":23847.47,"end":23862.857,"text":"連你們那個蘇永清後來要當主委他跟你講說NCC少了電信學者就少了一條腿啊所以過度的政黨的一個干預啊本來是要排除到最後要重新提出來的版本公家本不像話好 謝謝那接下來我們請吳思耀委員"},{"start":23873.915,"end":23896.447,"text":"謝謝主席各位同仁我雖然來不及去參與過去NCC在建制之初的立法但是我很有榮幸我可以有在一次修法的時候來捍衛一個可長可久不論誰執政都能夠穩健運行的NCC的組織的修法我也會承擔這樣的責任跟使命"},{"start":23897.347,"end":23900.049,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":23914.645,"end":23935.85,"text":"推動很急、然後手段很強硬的特色。」我另一步來歸納,如果通過了今天NCC組織法,它形同是四個惡法的極大成。第一,它是很清楚的選擇性、針對性、因人設置的一個修法。"},{"start":23936.994,"end":23952.357,"text":"二）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案。厲（二）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第八條及第十條條文修正草案案。厲（二）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第八條及第十條條文修正草案案。厲（二）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第八條及第十條條文修正草案案。厲（二）委員洪"},{"start":23959.218,"end":23976.785,"text":"就是中華民國法制史上第一個唯一一個已經被大法官釋憲釋字613號清楚說明他是違反憲法的法律居然還有立法委員要重蹈覆轍"},{"start":23977.987,"end":23992.665,"text":"所以這是史上第一個也是唯一一個已經經過大法官釋憲是違憲的修法還要再搞一次所以這四個都形成我們今天看到的這個惡法萬萬不可"},{"start":23995.729,"end":24021.999,"text":"我今天很快速的來討論剛剛大家分析過但是民進黨的委員審查法案是非常的嚴謹我們研讀了四加一個法案我們講到國民黨傅昆齊委員一人有兩版一版是傅昆齊委員提案一版可能是傅齊昆委員的提案他完全是政黨的黑手介入提名他剝奪了行政院的提名權違憲"},{"start":24023.74,"end":24039.416,"text":"他的草案內容A版B版前後矛盾不管在能不能連任的機制是矛盾的在政黨比例黨籍可以超過幾位兩個版本大不相同前後矛盾自打嘴巴"},{"start":24040.197,"end":24067.575,"text":"副官企委員跟傅琦坤委員的提案呢同樣的抵觸了憲法保障的人民參政權因為他規範到離職之後三年不得參選公職我們來看看侯孟楷委員的提案我也歸納他同樣介入了政黨介入提名剝奪行政院的提名權以及破壞了任期交錯制可能癱瘓NCC的運作"},{"start":24070.014,"end":24093.814,"text":"王小林委員提案,更是發生了史上獨創的五位NCC委員其中三人是由立法院提名,完全剝奪行政院的提名權,完全違反憲法的權力分立的原則。同樣,王小林委員的版本破壞了任期的交錯制,也會讓NCC的運作予以空轉。"},{"start":24095.015,"end":24108.801,"text":"那黃國昌委員今天提出來的修正動議他是採行公共電視董事會的方法來對未來NCC的組織法簡單講他把公視董事會的運作複製貼上"},{"start":24110.562,"end":24112.503,"text":"事實上公視董事會的組成必須實踐媒體發展的多元價值,跟NCC監理媒體需要專業導入的精神跟原則完全不同。"},{"start":24125.569,"end":24141.284,"text":"而且黃國昌他複製了公視董事會由立法院推薦9名社會公認人士來組成審查委員會這樣子的公視的機制移植到NCC委員大家不要忘了公視正因為政黨"},{"start":24142.345,"end":24168.666,"text":"介入每一次的政黨提名的審查委員會都沒有辦法搞定乃至於公共電視創下史上966天沒有辦法產生新董事會的僵局這都是橫在眼前告訴我們政黨要自治如果政黨的黑手介入了媒體"},{"start":24170.047,"end":24188.72,"text":"介入了NCC他的空轉、他的癱瘓歷史已經告訴我們有相當的經驗所以再一次請大家呼籲大家惡法萬萬不可今天在這裡如果要創下中華民國史上第一個"},{"start":24189.801,"end":24214.997,"text":"已經被宣告違憲還要強行重修一次而且越修越離譜這樣一個歷史上的惡名我覺得大家都很難以承擔請大家三思請大家萬思謝謝好謝謝那下一位請林思明委員好林思明委員棄權那下一位請游昊委員"},{"start":24216.598,"end":24218.739,"text":"有話委員棄權黃國昌委員今天台灣民眾黨所提出來的修正動議"},{"start":24242.52,"end":24270.015,"text":"跟大法官釋字613號的解釋沒有相違我相信把法條的文字跟釋憲文看清楚就不會有這樣子的困惑。倒是我必須要談的事情是當民進黨政府口口聲聲說我們的NCC要獨立要專業在實際上面操作的時候是不是這個樣子"},{"start":24271.858,"end":24293.096,"text":"讓我帶大家回顧一下歷史2010年3月11號的時候那個時候啊NCC准了什麼准了台數科新聞台的執照結果當時的行政院院長蘇貞昌啊震怒震怒一個禮拜以後"},{"start":24294.983,"end":24320.122,"text":"自己的決議自己就推翻了。所有的媒體下的標是什麼?所有的媒體下的標是綠派系糾葛台數科新聞台到手七天就廢了。民進黨以前是黨政軍退出媒體但現在呢就如同柯文哲主席講的一樣黨政軍就是媒體"},{"start":24321.363,"end":24339.133,"text":"不僅要控制電視台而且是每一個派系都要有他的電視台也正是一樣這樣子病態的政媒結構會出現媒體的大亨非常囂張的講啊"},{"start":24341.052,"end":24344.973,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案案案案案案"},{"start":24362.332,"end":24388.812,"text":"有人還說那個錄音檔啊是偽造變造的我負責任跟大家講我取得原始的音檔送交鑑定送交鑑定跟美國FBI聲文鑑定的是同一個單位的鑑定出來這個音檔完全是真的等到謊言被戳破了以後才急忙的說啊他只是在碰轟隨便講講"},{"start":24391.24,"end":24416.118,"text":"但是呢這位所謂碰轟在隨便講講的人進電視的執照緊緊的握在手上我們的NCC不惜說謊不惜擺爛也要怎麼樣護航到底這是為什麼今天在質詢的時候我說了為什麼敢這麼囂張因為這是總統的旨意"},{"start":24419.625,"end":24432.176,"text":"更可笑的是口口聲聲說〝NCC委員不可以用政黨比例代表制的民主進步黨〞實際上面在做的是什麼?"},{"start":24433.295,"end":24459.723,"text":"實際上面在做的是邀請柯文哲主席到總統府去的時候我們的總統蔡英文是親自開口親自開口說接下來4名委員國民黨兩席台灣民眾黨一席民進黨一席這樣好不好請問NCC委員是可以這樣分配的NCC委員是可以這樣分配的"},{"start":24460.655,"end":24483.171,"text":"這個就是民進黨所謂的不可以按照政黨比例代表但是可以什麼只要他們掌握多數掌握最高權力的人想要私下用腳的我已經公開說過啦台灣民眾黨對這樣的對這樣子的建議拒絕拒絕因為NCC不應該讓民進黨這樣搞爛下去謝謝"},{"start":24494.784,"end":24515.837,"text":"那接下來我們請翁曉琳委員剛剛聽了民進黨委員說NCC他是獨立機關獨立機關的這個重點呢就是要專業性要去政治化"},{"start":24517.267,"end":24538.252,"text":"我同意當時要設計NCC成為獨立機關的確我們希望他能夠達到獨立性專業性以及這個退出黨政軍以及這個維持黨政軍退出媒體的這樣精神可是請大家看看我們現在NCC有專業嗎電信打詐沒專業"},{"start":24545.14,"end":24574.11,"text":"所作的處分屢屢被法院撤銷。」這叫有專業喔。再說,NCC現在已經是被大家所公認高度政治化的機關。這個任何,我常常認為說,其實任何的這個組織制度,好像到了民進黨政府手上,就被完成是一個邪惡的制度。"},{"start":24575.066,"end":24592.722,"text":"我認為說這個原來的NCC的這個組織設計可能沒有那麼糟但是在2016年蔡英文執政之後的NCC我們看到它就是越來越走樣"},{"start":24594.29,"end":24615.095,"text":"這也是我們今天為什麼要參考西方國家更好的獨立機關的設計必須要引入國會的力量來平衡這個越來越走偏的NCC本席所提的法案裡面廢除NCC的這個交錯任期制"},{"start":24616.581,"end":24630.326,"text":"主要的理由也是我實在是看不出來NCC現在是有什麼業務經驗是需要傳承的是有委員被詐騙的經驗嗎還是有委員當詐騙門神的經驗嗎還是他們聽命行事的經驗我實在不認為NCC的委員的經驗是有需要傳承"},{"start":24643.666,"end":24672.146,"text":"再說我其實很佩服柯總召他現在真的成為了我們立法院的大法官動不動就對我們所提的法案指指點點說我們的法案又違憲又違法我實在不知道柯總召您是什麼時候可能是您小的時候年輕的時候曾經讀過憲法吧您現在還有讀憲法嗎"},{"start":24674.414,"end":24682.942,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條、第八條及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條及法制、交通"},{"start":24684.119,"end":24686.64,"text":"傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案。」案。"},{"start":24711.63,"end":24718.536,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委"},{"start":24738.992,"end":24748.042,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第"},{"start":24760.715,"end":24776.347,"text":"會秉持的法律專業,秉持的對國外還有對我國的這個憲法相關制度的比較,他們會知道什麼才是正確的。」好,那以上說明,謝謝。好,謝謝。登記大體討論發言者就已發言完畢。"},{"start":24792.923,"end":24815.619,"text":"指揮各位委員同仁針對剛才候選委員問我你什麼時候讀過憲法?你年輕的時候有沒有讀過憲法?級長有沒有讀過憲法?我現在告訴你齁我年輕的時候是牙醫師近來一年三十一年但是我現在還是2.1百牙醫師我在虎口拔牙專門拔滾膿牙齒"},{"start":24819.622,"end":24841.668,"tex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base假如你假如你通過法案行政院覺得不妥他可以呼籲然後呢"},{"start":24898.437,"end":24920.695,"text":"立法院捷運行動團隊委員會提出普通信案及解散國會。好像現在我們已經快要面對這個時刻了。所以憲法的規定是一個潛力覆立原則,就是立法院是可以監督制衡,但是立法院不可能造法,而且超越憲法的造法,連大法官都不可能造法。所以今天我們談的這很淺顯的道理。"},{"start":24923.817,"end":24941.106,"text":"那所有的包括今天黃國昌談的時候他的期案沒有違和他根本就寫政黨比喻是啊他寫很清楚啊你們都寫著政黨比喻是所以政黨比喻是613號解釋就是如此剝奪了行政院長的人事權"},{"start":24942.106,"end":24970.428,"text":"這很清楚啊,只要你不清楚回去問你老公可能會比較好一點今天我要告訴你一個事情你們今天所有的事在做違憲的處理總統是權宜問題,這個不是權宜問題的啦我把這個陳述的權宜問題陳述清楚啦我講五概咧這是不是這樣所以我要把為什麼要陳述清楚,大家要了解我們都要向上海地頭"},{"start":24971.83,"end":24996.911,"text":"這是一個非常嚴肅的信任時刻,只要在這裡做違憲的審查,違憲的表達結果,剛剛胡文綺的違憲,胡文綺解釋要發手機的喔,不要這樣說話,等一下再做組織動作,他那個版本都,兩個都打架了,兩個打架了,到底主任委員還是副主任委員,你第一個版本誰要複選,第二個版本誰提名,這根本不對吧。我覺得這樣就好了齁。"},{"start":25001.014,"end":25003.896,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案案。"},{"start":25029.392,"end":25032.675,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第十條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":25052.939,"end":25076.033,"text":"陳主委可能要先就剛剛有有官員自己自己離開喔這件事可能要跟委員會就是致歉一下是是不是我要這邊正式或是你過來這邊正式對我想這個是不管哪一個政黨啦我想他們都很關心一下這關於這個議題就麻煩主委就這部分要致歉"},{"start":25079.965,"end":25102.681,"text":"主席、各位委員對於我們黃竹敏在沒有跟取得主席的同意前離開會場這件事情我們代表NCC跟委員會今天的聯席審查包括司法法制委員會還有交通委員會深自愜意。好,謝謝。政府要幹什麼?你現在要處理什麼互來協議啊?你現在要處理什麼?要進入五條啊?"},{"start":25113.921,"end":25133.615,"text":"那我們現在有委員提案請宣讀宣讀後處理沒有剛剛是因為你剛剛不在這邊剛剛有一個官員他在中間沒有跟我們講他就我們只是請處理一下這件事好那請宣讀好像那時候是魯明哲在問的時候"},{"start":25135.356,"end":25150.787,"text":"提案針對本次會議討論事項之審查及處理,為此依視順暢進行。原件請本次會議不再處理,三會動議。提案人委員羅志強、林思明、翁曉林、林佩翔、魯明哲、林國城、黃建豪宣讀完畢。"},{"start":25165.663,"end":25192.563,"text":"我齁在這邊最大的學習就是跟著柯總召跟著民進黨走齁為什麼呢為了避免齁走到今天暫停齁麥克風又開著又違規啦不要啦新海羅盤不要這樣啦你最好不要聽到我聽到我就等一下要請你問題喔你按著那個麥克風不要按嘛大家都有規矩不要學吳思堯吳思堯不要歪好不好你走到我就請你問題喔不要再按著麥克風了好不好"},{"start":25193.363,"end":25196.945,"text":"我非常敬佩民進黨所以我今天仿照民進黨的這個議事規則的慣例避免發生上次吳宗憲召委主持會議有40次山會動議在杯葛擾亂議事的情況"},{"start":25219.67,"end":25238.882,"text":"我這個仿效民國106年8月29號民進黨曾經提出不得再提散會動議這個是非常棒的民主的風範的展示所以我們決定讓這個歷史風範再顯現一次也避免再發生40次散會動議的情況發生所以我這邊特別提出"},{"start":25240.263,"end":25259.188,"text":"這次會議我們已經從上午9點到討論到下午那個3點半了我們就繼續討論下去不准再提就停止再提三會動議以上好謝謝那請問各位有無異議沒有異議的話就提案通過好那接下來我們"},{"start":25274.352,"end":25293.581,"text":"中和答互AK齊文吉答 沒問題洪孟楷 羅智政你不要食人牙慧嘛 都是笑評啊當時我們問說提三位代議是你們強硬點過"},{"start":25296.271,"end":25308.195,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案案件、通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案件、通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案件、通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文"},{"start":25319.56,"end":25346.519,"text":"導口回音 根本在做混淆動作所以這個年輕人你這樣要拜我回師要長進一點好不好本人不說剛剛已經說了通過那還有一個提案還有一個還有一個動議那一樣給那個民進黨他們一份"},{"start":25348.492,"end":25354.485,"text":"現在還有一個動議是由羅志強委員提出那我們請議事人員宣讀"},{"start":25357.972,"end":25383.637,"text":"動議未維護本會履行憲法職權之行使,並使會議得以順暢進行,原提請處符合會議規範,鎖定權宜問題並經會議主席財事責外,本次會議不再處理權宜問題、秩序問題、會議詢問等動議。提案人委員羅志強、翁小林、魯明哲、黃建豪、廖先祥、林思明、林佩祥、謝龍介、邱若驊、林國成宣布完畢。"},{"start":25385.787,"end":25392.572,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一、二、三、四條條文修正草案．一、二、三、四條條文修正草案．一、二、三、四條條文修正草案"},{"start":25411.224,"end":25432.083,"text":"所以我這次也是仿照2017年8月25日民進黨提案為本院履行憲法鎖定立法權之行使使立法院會議得以進行原提請除符合會議規範鎖定權宜問題並經院會主席裁示者外本次會議不再處理權宜問題、秩序問題跟會議行為等動議"},{"start":25435.746,"end":25440.472,"text":"這是民進黨過去提過的喔!民進黨過去提過的喔!不要再跟我講違反議事規則喔!不要再打臉自己喔!我唯一這個動議齁我今天比較遺憾的啦我應該算說也包括不再處理新海羅盤啦"},{"start":25450.703,"end":25463.749,"text":"新海羅盤,這樣子下去也沒完沒了所以拜託主席喔我們今天跟著民進黨民主的道路前進對不對最民主風範的民進黨以前提說不准散會動議也說不可以會議詢問權益問題、秩序問題今天複製民進黨的民主謝謝"},{"start":25479.741,"end":25487.765,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13屆議員會組織法第14屆議員會組織法第16屆議員會組織法第17屆議員會組織法第18屆議員會組織法第18屆議員會組織法第19屆議員會組織法第19屆議員會組織法第20屆議員會組織法第21屆議員會組織法第21屆議員會組織法第22屆議員會組織法第22屆議員會組織法第22屆議員會組織法第23屆議員會組織法第24屆議員會組織法第"},{"start":25501.311,"end":25506.113,"text":"傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案案案案案。"},{"start":25531.635,"end":25553.644,"text":"謝謝總召我除了周萬來的書以外我學習最多就是柯總召的經驗謝謝沒有你都是那個實際案例好請問一下剛剛就這個提案有無大家有無異議沒有那就提案通過好那我們接下來謝謝好好"},{"start":25560.711,"end":25582.785,"text":"好那我們接下來就進行逐條審查好現在審查第四條請問提案人有無提案說明第四條的部分有提案以及修正動議請問有沒有人要做提案說明好沒有齁"},{"start":25590.531,"end":25619.449,"text":"因為第四條同時出現傅崐萁委員有兩個案子那是不是提案委員要說明一下他到底經過消化哪一個案子是您認為在這裡討論是比較您代表您提出來的否則兩個案子我們是要討論傅崐萁委員的哪一個案子呢那每一個案子因為前後有漢格那矛盾的還蠻嚴重的是不是可以請這個傅崐萁委員的這兩個提案可以具體說明一下我們才能夠進入條文的理解好嗎"},{"start":25620.009,"end":25623.133,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案案。"},{"start":25643.857,"end":25670.047,"text":"大聲講就好了,你們要知道我大聲講的就是上午就講過主席宣告過我要隨便按麥克風談話我只是提醒主席維持會長秩序那這樣齁兩位如果要聊會後再聊我們現在先進行會議進行好了提案委員有沒有要補充沒有齁"},{"start":25672.883,"end":25674.952,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 案。"},{"start":25678.24,"end":25695.875,"text":"都要問的都讓他們問李卿這個時間從早上9點已經開會開到現在剛剛你講過沒有會議詢問沒有任何權益問題請主席請主席趕快處理討論現在我們是主條我們現在進行的是主條的討論那其他的就不要再因為我們剛剛已經提案通過了主席我們主條論是在座位上的麥克風還是要進的主題同意才能到法院來"},{"start":25705.162,"end":25707.504,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":25718.857,"end":25720.358,"text":"條文內容討論第四條,我要發言"},{"start":25745.458,"end":25757.806,"text":"那個我想請問一下我想進入主條主條就是要討論我現在在表達我的意見確實有意見所以要討論我想請問一下我想"},{"start":25769.045,"end":25789.776,"text":"我想請問不是主席的權限不是總召的權限不是如果大家還是要這樣子然後大家都要搶答那就沒有什麼好談了嘛我們就沒有什麼好談了我們就沒有什麼好談了我們就沒有什麼好談了我們就沒有什麼好談了我們就沒有什麼好談了我們就沒有什麼好談了我們就沒有什麼好談了我們就沒有什麼好談了我們就沒有什麼好談了我們就沒有什麼好談了我們就沒有什麼好談了我們就沒有什麼好談了我們就沒有什麼好談了我們就沒有什麼好談了我們就沒有什麼好談了我們就沒有什麼好談了我們就沒有什麼好談了我們就沒有什麼好談了我們就沒有什麼好談了我們就沒有什麼好談了我們就沒有什麼好談了我們就沒有什麼好談了我們就沒有什麼好談了我們就沒有什麼好談了我們就沒有什麼好談了我們就沒有什麼好談了我們就沒有什麼好談"},{"start":25798.681,"end":25822.782,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第15會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第17會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第18會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第19會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第20會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第21會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第"},{"start":25824.724,"end":25826.325,"text":"立法院第4條條文修正草案案 案"},{"start":25844.514,"end":25846.515,"text":"主席剛才不是說主條討論嗎?主條是一條一條,討論就是討論我跟你講啦,我跟各位說明一下啦"},{"start":25871.696,"end":25894.816,"text":"從早上到現在其實我覺得大家根本就沒有共識嘛那我們今天再吵下去還是沒有共識啊早上是尋打保留保留都講過了那剛剛羅志強不是提案不得散會嗎不得散會就要逐條討論啊也不過四條而已啊"},{"start":25896.777,"end":25917.069,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具、「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具、「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具、「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具、「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．"},{"start":25926.969,"end":25927.86,"text":"總委就休息一分鐘。"},{"start":26058.918,"end":26083.269,"text":"還沒討論?還沒表示意見就要...就要...倒遊啊?不是啊?請你上一年版本,為什麼從第七屆開始?你擦...擦...擦以前版本吧?你怎麼回答他?你為什麼從第七屆開始?各位以前維新版本在哪出來擦嘛?"},{"start":26084.425,"end":26087.213,"text":"現在是第十一屆啊!好啦 休息休息啊"},{"start":26166.26,"end":26167.142,"text":"好啦!要登記趕快來登記啦!"},{"start":26268.339,"end":26271.941,"text":"現在有提案人傅昆齊委員提出動議,那我們現在先處理動議。再請宣讀。"},{"start":26293.631,"end":26316.705,"text":"針對本次會議討論事項第四條建請停止討論並保留交付黨團協商是否有當敬請公決?提案人委員傅崐萁、羅志強、林國誠、邱若驊、黃建豪、陳雪生、游浩、廖先祥、謝龍介、魯明哲。宣讀完畢。這個延期討論會議資據跟邱先。"},{"start":26332.342,"end":26339.47,"text":"現在應有柯建民提案,那我們先宣讀提案內容。"},{"start":26345.187,"end":26370.055,"text":"針對本次會議建請嚴會至本日半夜夜間12時提案人委員柯建銘、何新淳、許智傑、鍾嘉斌、吳思瑤、莊瑞雄、李坤澤、陳俊宇、徐富奎、陳素月、蔡其章宣讀完畢。好,那對兩個動議吼,那就第一個..."},{"start":26374.195,"end":26399.02,"text":"立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第15會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第17會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第18會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第19會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第20會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第21會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第22會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第23會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第24會期"},{"start":26401.004,"end":26424.135,"text":"我們現在先處理柯建民委員所提出來的提案提案說明怎麼可以吧?提案說明可以嗎?提案說明呢?我沒有再給你程序問題了本人熟悉法令好那兩分鐘我們說提案說明兩分鐘兩分鐘是誰定的?我可以盡數啦"},{"start":26428.766,"end":26432.852,"text":"立法院第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案案。"},{"start":26444.668,"end":26449.093,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案案。"},{"start":26467.708,"end":26471.089,"text":"立法院第四條條文修正草案．一）立法院第四條條文修正草案．一）立法院第四條條文修正"},{"start":26494.818,"end":26501.661,"text":"立法院第12屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一、二、三、四條條文修正草案．一、二、三、四條條文修正草案．一、二、三、四條條文"},{"start":26524.679,"end":26549.647,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、"},{"start":26553.947,"end":26570.557,"text":"那我們現在就進行我們現在進行表決針對研會動議進行表決好那表決前我們先清點在場出席人數26號到場出席委員26人那現在開始表決那贊成者請舉手"},{"start":26583.632,"end":26584.092,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":26602.437,"end":26622.091,"text":"現在宣讀表決結果出席26人贊成12位反對14位言會動議贊成者少數不通過我們現在開始處理第二個提案第四條保留交付黨團協商"},{"start":26626.394,"end":26629.135,"text":"傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案。」案。"},{"start":26655.408,"end":26662.974,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案"},{"start":26686.459,"end":26694.244,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）立法院第12屆第14條條文修正草案．一）立法院第12屆第14條條文修正草案．一．"},{"start":26707.898,"end":26714.883,"text":"還沒有開始討論怎麼可以停止討論還沒有開始討論怎麼可以停止討論沒有討論又沒收了討論又沒收了討論國民黨民主黨又減少沒收了討論反對12人停止討論動議多數通過"},{"start":26735.014,"end":26761.455,"text":"立法院第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．立法院第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第3會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第4會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第5會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第6會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第7會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第8會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第8會期司法及法制、交通委員會組"},{"start":26764.062,"end":26765.502,"text":"條文修正草案．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．"},{"start":26789.108,"end":26794.931,"text":"立法院第11屆第12屆議員會組織法第13屆議員會組織法第14屆議員會組織法第15屆議員會組織法第16屆議員會組織法第17屆議員會組織法第18屆議員會組織法第18屆議員會組織法第19屆議員會組織法第19屆議員會組織法第20屆議員會組織法第21屆議員會組織法第22屆議員會組織法第23屆議員會組織法第24屆議員會組織法第26屆議員會組織法第27屆議員會組織法第28屆議員會組織法第29屆議員會組織法第30屆議員會組"},{"start":26816.721,"end":26832.694,"text":"我剛剛已經問完了提案人,提案人沒有要補充說明。好,那請問就第八條的部分,大家有無異議?等一下,等一下,你剛才提的討論後面是什麼?是不予審議還是什麼東西?要講清楚,結論是什麼?結論後面是什麼?"},{"start":26838.365,"end":26841.186,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":26866.545,"end":26868.026,"text":"立法院第11屆第1次聯席會議"},{"start":26888.2,"end":26916.237,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第19條條文修正草案．立法院第19條條文修正草案．立法院第20條條文修正草案．立法院第21條條文修正草案．立法院第22條條文修正草案．立法院第23條條文修正草案．立法院第24條條文修正草案．立法院第27條條文修"},{"start":26920.861,"end":26937.197,"text":"你就形式讓我們登記一下,你再做停職討論。沒有,停職討論,洪孟楷是怎麼樣一個結婚的?當然,問題是這個組織委員會。主要審查就是結果啊。你們要贊成我那團隊也可以啊。"},{"start":26940.555,"end":26942.657,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案案例"},{"start":26956.493,"end":26975.885,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第15會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第17會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第18會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第19會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第20會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第"},{"start":26976.886,"end":26979.008,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":26990.463,"end":26994.947,"text":"檢視委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":27018.955,"end":27023.557,"text":"傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":27043.806,"end":27049.849,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":27064.73,"end":27068.578,"text":"傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":27078.831,"end":27087.575,"text":"三）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案。」案。"},{"start":27104.227,"end":27115.032,"text":"你處理臨時提案的討論嗎?還有兩條那當然差別很大"},{"start":27130.326,"end":27139.15,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":27202.423,"end":27229.276,"text":"主席主席主席我來提一個正當的一個權宜問題啦你現在說齁在浪費大家時間這個講法就不對啦我們的議事規則第33條的規定是主席對於議案的討論認為已達可付表決的程度的時候啊才是徵得出席委員的一同意才停止討論啊你這不是啊你這連討論也不討論你要停止討論是討論過後有達到可決的程度啊"},{"start":27230.742,"end":27233.865,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 案。"},{"start":27261.965,"end":27282.719,"text":"大體討論完主席才是要逐條討論嘛!他已經才是啦!我們也登記啦!我們都還沒討論的啊!我們都還沒討論的啊!阿都沒討論你們當然說有意見!你們如果怕我昏迷我就想都沒有了!"},{"start":27283.908,"end":27286.629,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員"},{"start":27304.008,"end":27331.223,"text":"如果這樣我就一直按消音鍵了要罵就來罵我沒關係我沒差來我現在先來討論一下來我們現在討論一下現在有委員提第八條停止討論並保留交付黨團協商的提案那就這個部分看大家有沒有異議"},{"start":27332.967,"end":27353.246,"text":"條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第15會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第17會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第18會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第19會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第20會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織"},{"start":27360.458,"end":27366.343,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":27388.688,"end":27390.109,"text":"第八條停止討論並保留動議,贊成者請舉手。"},{"start":27406.121,"end":27435.436,"text":"條文修正草案．立法院第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．立法院第十四條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十四條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條文修正草案�"},{"start":27437.506,"end":27463.974,"text":"那台上常常有提案的好那我們現在在處理下一個提案柯建民委員提案來我們請議事人員宣讀提案內容針對本次會議延長開會時間至11時提案人委員柯建民等宣讀完畢"},{"start":27469.312,"end":27491.854,"text":"一問就本提案,針對本次會議延長開會時間至11點,請問各位有無異議?好,那請進行提案說明。主席啊,生日祭春口水啊,你不要給他們指揮來,你亂亂套。"},{"start":27495.1,"end":27521.103,"text":"第四條的時候、第五條的時候根本沒有議決啊。沒有議決就直接親自討論。討論結果是怎麼樣?那是保留還是不通過?還是要刪除?根本都沒有嘛。阿你現在第八條也是一樣嘛。主席阿,洪國昌等會比較急著沒關係啦。你叫他看手機啊,你傳簡訊給他就好啦。"},{"start":27524.793,"end":27540.769,"text":"我們現在是提延長開會時間,剛才是12點啦我看大家有點累,我們就到11點就好好不好那各位好事沒做的啦所以因為要延長開會時間到11點那現在是幾點"},{"start":27548.853,"end":27574.646,"text":"還有7個小時所以7個小時我們要做一個合宇安排那怎麼來處理這11個小時所以勢必要一直討論每一條我們要討論本來議事規約31條的時候進入討論的時候沒有結論的時候沒有發言次數限制本來就是如此議事規約31條我們都依法行事就好了請各位副委員"},{"start":27576.348,"end":27598.212,"text":"你不要再看手機嘛你以為你一個人還有黃汪峰進來你們兩個人加起來國會過半就可以扶植輝瑋啊歷史正在看到你們的所以我們老委員尤其年輕的委員你們看到立法院來看那種怪現象的時候尤其這是你想像中的國會嗎這根本不是大家想像的國會啊還有幾年就好了"},{"start":27605.385,"end":27622.716,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具:「國家通�"},{"start":27633.666,"end":27658.247,"text":"那針對本次會議延長開會至晚兼十一時好那因為有意義那我們就進行表決好了在場人數清點過了26人好那我們現在開始進行表決好沒問題那再幫我統計一下好26人沒有錯"},{"start":27662.458,"end":27672.268,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案"},{"start":27687.004,"end":27704.071,"text":"反對者14人表決結果在場出席委員26人贊成者12人反對者14人贊成者少數不通過"},{"start":27710.609,"end":27724.775,"text":"我們現在審查第十條那請問第十條提案委員有提案說明有提案說明沒有提案說明那我們現在開始進入討論"},{"start":27729.745,"end":27752.276,"text":"我們進入討論,因為有委員提出第十條停止討論並保留交付黨團協商的提案,那我們先處理。你現在要我處理這個?對,延長開會時間,還有要點名表決。一起啊,這兩個是一起的。"},{"start":27758.274,"end":27766.798,"text":"那個聽之討論是優先的,對,所以我們現在是聽之討論。為什麼聽之討論是優先?上位動議才是優先啊。那你問一下議事人員嘛。"},{"start":27781.38,"end":27783.761,"text":"立法院第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第十條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":27804.778,"end":27808.922,"text":"立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法"},{"start":27831.368,"end":27851.675,"text":"所以國民黨的顏值比民進黨高這不是偶然的好我們現在開始我們就第十條停止討論說明一下不要一直打斷啦沒有討論根本不知道要搞什麼鬼啦我們等一下點到名的請說明贊成或反對我有肖像權了"},{"start":27862.194,"end":27877.058,"text":"我現在開始點名表決第一位黃國昌反發會贊成反對倪崑澤反對陳俊宇反對林國誠羅志強鍾嘉斌反對"},{"start":27890.827,"end":27898.21,"text":"中瑞雄等15人擬具李思明等15人擬具吳思瑤等15人擬具謝龍介等15人擬具蔡其昌等15人擬具"},{"start":27914.517,"end":27922.34,"text":"荷興淳等25人擬具、「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案案案。"},{"start":27942.352,"end":27956.105,"text":"廖先祥、柯建民、林佩祥、黃建豪、翁曉琳、陳雪生、"},{"start":27965.606,"end":27992.095,"text":"好,那我們點名表決結果在場出席委員26人贊成14人反對12人贊成者多數通過第10條聽之討論並保留贊成者多數通過各位是這樣搞的嗎?就可以關門了吧?搞了半天來選舉來做當局副主席的表決工具啊"},{"start":27994.745,"end":27996.666,"text":"民眾黨也不應該如此吧不要啦"},{"start":28029.385,"end":28040.741,"text":"議員還有一個附帶決要處理,我們先處理附帶決議。有一個附帶決議,那請提案人羅志強等人,那我們先請議事人員宣讀。"},{"start":28042.071,"end":28068.102,"text":"傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。厲應不受政治力干擾,為現任委員未能秉持客觀、中立及專業立場,致紛爭不斷。陳耀祥主任委員已公開表示,不會再接受提名及續任,為維護機關獨立性與公信力,原要求經113年7月任期屆滿之原任委員應比照陳耀祥主任委員公開對外宣示,除不再接受行政委員會組織法第四條文修正草案案。"},{"start":28073.109,"end":28077.271,"text":"若行政院於原委員任職時亦不再接受嚴任主動辭職以示負責提案人委員羅志強等宣讀完畢。"},{"start":28098.689,"end":28101.31,"text":"立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法"},{"start":28115.452,"end":28131.687,"text":"傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員傅崐萁等23人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織"},{"start":28142.997,"end":28168.713,"text":"113年7月任期屆滿之原任委員應比照陳耀祥主任委員公開對外宣誓除不再接受行政院提名續任外若行政院與原任委員任期屆滿前未能依規定提任時亦不再接受原任主動辭職以示負責。"},{"start":28171.747,"end":28191.201,"text":"這就是我們附帶決議的內容了解了啦請問就附帶決議部分大家有無意見好那如果有意見的話我們就進行表決那就舉手表決有一些要講啊陳浩翔委員那一段可以公開表揚我們贊成"},{"start":28192.179,"end":28194.881,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案案。"},{"start":28219.429,"end":28243.797,"text":"立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第15會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第17會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第18會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第19會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第20會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第21會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第22會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第23會期"},{"start":28249.159,"end":28260.167,"text":"陳俊宇委員林國成委員羅志強委員鍾嘉斌委員副代決議的表決效力我如果反對會有什麼效力?"},{"start":28280.56,"end":28298.014,"text":"組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。議員法定人數不足。議員法定人數不足。議員法定人數不足。議員法定人數不足。議員法定人數不足。議員法定人數不足。"},{"start":28311.369,"end":28331.342,"text":"本案這麼離譜,強暴別人的意志,當然是反對啊!五十號委員五十號委員如果我們對於提案的內容有意見我們可以表達反對嗎?那你就寫提案者在這邊是沒有意義的對不對?那你反對提案我覺得還蠻尊重你反對的意見那五十號委員請問是反對嗎?您是反對嗎?還是贊成?反對啊好反對喔好謝鴻介委員"},{"start":28339.056,"end":28348.772,"text":"蔡奇昌委員何新淳委員許智傑委員陳素月委員余富奎委員布坤祺委員"},{"start":28352.062,"end":28378.999,"text":"有劃委員魯明哲委員邱若驊委員廖先祥委員柯建民委員林佩祥委員黃建豪委員黃曉琳委員陳雪生委員這古董人都賺掉了這是...人家都賺掉錢,你以為要賺選民嗎?"},{"start":28381.874,"end":28387.495,"text":"欸?漏掉一位是不是?對不起對不起李坤哲委員"},{"start":28389.184,"end":28390.025,"text":"指揮長指揮長指揮長指揮長指揮長指揮長指揮長指揮長"},{"start":28416.655,"end":28431.76,"text":"本案主條均疑處理完畢做一下宣告本案審查完畢擬具審查報告提請院會公決本案須交由委員長院會討論時由委員中線主席說明附帶決議項提報所會處理條次引述條項部分及法制用字用語授權主席及議事人員處理"},{"start":28447.137,"end":28461.771,"text":"對主席的財政意義、當場主席的宣告有意義,我們有提出面,意義。」好。意義啊,意義主席的宣告。意義啊。對此宣告有意義啊。好,沒關係,我來處理齁。"},{"start":28463.303,"end":28488.313,"text":"立法院第11會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第15會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第17會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第18會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第18會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第19會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第20會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第21會期司法及法制、交通"},{"start":28491.318,"end":28505.244,"text":"這位你們要不會問這位選民啊?這樣國會也要存在嗎?你要處理之前我要說明我的意義嘛"},{"start":28516.904,"end":28536.982,"text":"本席對於今日主席的裁決完全沒有尊重在場委員願意留下來討論的意願也在逐條的時候開始進行登記的時候已經有委員登記要討論卻不與登記的委員表示意見就敬為停止討論甚至第十條連"},{"start":28539.784,"end":28565.016,"text":"討論發言都還沒討論就提停止討論動議施論主席啊你今天這麼多的一個宣告這麼多的才事沒有進行討論就開始處理停止討論動議不好意思啊都還沒說運叫墮胎這個太離譜了太快了用一句話太離譜太快了本席對於你今日的宣告剛剛做的宣告對不起我們收回"},{"start":28568.9,"end":28596.794,"text":"請本席以說明方式為之要求對今日剛剛主席的宣告進行異議並要求點名表決。好謝謝那依據議事規則第32條那既然有委員對本席的處理方式有異議的話那請問各位委員是否同意鍾嘉斌委員提的異議?不同意的話那我們就進行表決好那"},{"start":28598.342,"end":28624.455,"text":"因為是要提點名表決嘛對不對好那我們現在進行點名表決那贊成就是剛中嘉賓委員對本期的那個才是有意義嘛那贊成的請表示贊成那反對的請表示反對好那我們現在開始點名表決黃國昌委員省發會委員贊成"},{"start":28627.506,"end":28643.515,"text":"理坤哲委員陳俊宇委員林國成委員羅志強委員鍾嘉斌委員鍾瑞雄委員林思明委員吳思堯委員謝榮介委員"},{"start":28647.509,"end":28674.957,"text":"蔡祺昌委員何欣淳委員許智傑委員陳素月委員徐富奎委員傅坤祺委員游浩委員盧明哲委員邱若驊委員廖先祥委員柯建民委員林佩祥委員黃劍豪委員翁曉琳委員陳雪生委員"},{"start":28680.845,"end":28701.016,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。據中嘉賓委員所提出來的議議點名表決結果,在場出席委員26人,贊成者12人,反對者14人。該議議贊成者未達出席委員半數,所以仍維持主席宣告這才是。討論事項都已經處理完畢。"},{"start":28710.785,"end":28714.388,"text":"現在處理延長會議時間動議我先跟各位委員報告一下就剛剛有委員提出了這一點的延長會議時間動議請問各位委員"},{"start":28739.936,"end":28745.662,"text":"請問各位委員,我們今天的議程都處理完畢了,那延長會議的時間其實沒有意義。"},{"start":28755.922,"end":28766.97,"text":"那這樣齁,那個經過之前跟那個柯總招阿伯他學習過齁,柯總阿伯他是包裹一次表決嘛,那是不是我們就學習柯總..."},{"start":28774.229,"end":28788.577,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）立法院第12屆第13屆立法院第14屆立法院第15屆立法院第16屆立法院第17屆立法院第18屆立法院第18屆立法院第19屆立法院第19屆立法院第20屆立法院第21屆立法院第22屆立法院第31屆立法院第32屆立法院第32屆立法院第33屆立法院第33屆立法院第34屆立法院第36屆立法院第37屆立法院第38屆立法院第39屆立法院第40屆立法院第41屆立法院第42屆立"},{"start":28790.723,"end":28799.474,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具"},{"start":28810.148,"end":28812.829,"text":"那我們現在就延長會議時間我們進行點名表決。"},{"start":28833.358,"end":28837.399,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 案。"},{"start":28869.933,"end":28874.975,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13屆議員會組織法第14屆議員會組織法第16屆議員會組織法第17屆議員會組織法第18屆議員會組織法第18屆議員會組織法第19屆議員會組織法第19屆議員會組織法第20屆議員會組織法第21屆議員會組織法第21屆議員會組織法第22屆議員會組織法第22屆議員會組織法第22屆議員會組織法第23屆議員會組織法第24屆議員會組織法第"},{"start":28895.762,"end":28898.775,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 案。"},{"start":28899.625,"end":28928.224,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第15會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第17會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第18會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第19會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第20會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第21會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第22會期司法"},{"start":28929.585,"end":28930.442,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條、"},{"start":28937.177,"end":28945.783,"text":"傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 案。"},{"start":28976.415,"end":28992.064,"text":"各位本席等提一個動議請各位好好聽不可能三位同意啦你的動議很簡單"},{"start":28994.07,"end":28996.972,"text":"組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":29038.789,"end":29062.052,"text":"那我跟各位報告有委員提案那我們先請議事人宣讀來這個部分先宣讀一下提案本次會議所提延長會議動議相同性質提案建請併案處理提案人委員羅志強等宣讀完畢主席你原來的提案都沒有提那個提案怎麼布好"},{"start":29065.302,"end":29067.724,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":29084.946,"end":29105,"text":"本次會議延長時間至9點15分提案人委員吳思瑤等本次會議延長會議至9點20分提案人委員吳思瑤等本次會議延長時間至9點30分提案人委員許智傑等提案本次會議延長時間至9點45分提案人委員吳思瑤等本次會議延長至9點50分提案人委員吳思瑤等提案針對本次會議點名表決延長會議開會時間至10點提案人委員許智傑等"},{"start":29115.848,"end":29125.261,"text":"本次會議延長會議至10點10分提案人委員吳思瑤等本次會議延長會議時間至10點20分提案人委員吳思瑤等提案本次會議請將請採點名表決延長會議時間至10點30分提案人委員莊瑞雄等"},{"start":29133.629,"end":29135.55,"text":"提案本次會議延長時間至10點45分,提案人委員吳思瑤等。」"},{"start":29170.157,"end":29197.431,"text":"這樣啦齁,那個我們現在先休息好了啦,我已經動不掉齁。我說我要上廁所啦,對。我們現在先休息。欸你休息都不用講休息,為什麼我休息要講休息多久?有嗎?好,那我們休息到5點半。"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}