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你是完成檢討而已啊對啊 我們這個檢討就是我們會把所有行政作業的完成我現在問的是多久可以解決這個問題啊你跟我講行政程序報告委員我來回答一下"},{"start":249.589,"end":252.751,"text":"有關於陽明公園前面的亂象的部分確實全屬有中央跟地方那我們在短期之內我們就先跟台北市政府來聯繫一下如何處理攤販的這個問題我們不是說要把攤販都趕走而是怎麼樣讓他有秩序 我不是說要把他趕走"},{"start":266.758,"end":284.615,"text":"不要影響到門面不要人家會覺得要到陽明山國家公園 到陽明公園這麼亂我們來檢討一下那剛剛他們所說就是說整體的一起來規劃的時候給我們一點時間我們盡量不要再那麼長的時間 要一年我盡量在短一點的時間內完成但是讓我們再估算一下 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謝謝我們張黃路招惹的資訊那下一位"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-06T10:32:04.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:32:05.087000+08:00","text":"部長，你先休息，我請次長。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"董次長建宏","start":"2025-01-06T10:32:05.087000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:32:05.287000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-06T10:32:05.387000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:32:49.215000+08:00","text":"次長，其實有很多人來臺灣觀光旅遊時都會選擇國家公園，針對國家公園，之前我就有說過它有一些可以改進之處，我先說一個很簡單的，陽明山國家公園應該是去的人最多的地方吧？","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"董次長建宏","start":"2025-01-06T10:32:50.716000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:32:55.119000+08:00","text":"對，目前來講陽明山國家公園人數比較多，因為它是都會型的、比較容易到達。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-06T10:32:56.881000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:33:12.901000+08:00","text":"除了是都會型之外，還有交通便捷什麼的，但陽明山國家公園路口那兩排攤販，難道這麼多年了都無法解決嗎？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"董次長建宏","start":"2025-01-06T10:33:12.901000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-06T10:33:13.901000+08:00","text":"那個是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-06T10:33:12.901000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:33:13.041000+08:00","text":"你可以請他們來回答。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"孫處長維潔","start":"2025-01-06T10:33:21.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:34:02.020000+08:00","text":"報告委員，委員所提到的部分是陽明公園的範圍，這個部分我們跟臺北市政府從很多年前就一直在協商有關移交的問題，但是因為這個涉及到有一些土地已經徵收、沒有處理的部分，我們會跟臺北市政府就一些徵收的詳細內容去做一個釐清，在後續移交接管部分的過程當中，哪些部分需要再做補辦徵收的處理，後續會陸陸續續來進行。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-06T10:34:03.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:34:25.644000+08:00","text":"我問這個問題不是今天才問的，我們不是要讓攤販沒有生意做，但你應該把它整理得漂漂亮亮的，不管你是用OT或是用什麼方式，把它整理得漂漂亮亮，再把攤位租回給現在的人，也是可以解決啊！","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-06T10:34:25.644000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:34:48.163000+08:00","text":"我們不是要讓他們沒有生意做，只是你看，以國家公園來說，陽明山國家公園的遊客人數最多，這是一個門面，你們講的那些理由，說真的我都聽不下去啦，我也不是沒有在行政機關待過，你要成功只有一個方法，但要找藉口有一百個藉口，對不對？","quality":0.768},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-06T10:34:48.984000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:34:55.848000+08:00","text":"我認為這是一個非常簡單可以去處理的問題，只要你肯用心，我不知道次長你怎麼想。","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"董次長建宏","start":"2025-01-06T10:34:56.528000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:35:19.292000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們會啟動陽明山國家公園的通盤檢討，然後會跟市政府一起來討論怎麼樣解決它的土地權屬的問題及相關管理的問題，我們希望透過通盤檢討，一次性的把這個問題看看可以怎麼樣來解決，包括相關的管理權限，還有包括空間的劃設等等，我們今年就會啟動相關的檢討，就會去處理。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-06T10:35:20.163000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:35:21.193000+08:00","text":"要多久的時間可以處理好？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"孫處長維潔","start":"2025-01-06T10:35:23.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:35:37.417000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，因為這個範圍是在我們管一的範圍內，對於所涉及的相關建物部分，我們在今年規劃啟動的管一檢討作業時會針對……","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-06T10:35:37.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:35:38.918000+08:00","text":"我問你多久可以處理好。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"孫處長維潔","start":"2025-01-06T10:35:39.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:35:48.341000+08:00","text":"我們預計114年到115年會啟動這裡面的一個檢討作業，作為我們通盤檢討的前置規劃……","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-06T10:35:48.341000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:35:49.222000+08:00","text":"你沒有回答我的問題啊！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"孫處長維潔","start":"2025-01-06T10:35:51.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:35:51.022000+08:00","text":"114年到115年……","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"董次長建宏","start":"2025-01-06T10:35:51.842000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:35:55.084000+08:00","text":"我們在一年內會完成這樣的檢討，把它處理起來。不是！","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-06T10:35:55.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:35:57.004000+08:00","text":"你現在說的是完成檢討而已！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"董次長建宏","start":"2025-01-06T10:35:57.124000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:36:00.866000+08:00","text":"對啊，這個檢討就是我們會把所有的行政作業都完成。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-06T10:36:00.966000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:36:05.927000+08:00","text":"我現在問的是多久可以解決這個問題，你跟我講行政程序！","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-06T10:36:06.928000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:36:08.388000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我來……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-06T10:36:08.388000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-06T10:36:09.388000+08:00","text":"我本來想說請你休息一下，這種事情他們來處理就好了！","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-06T10:36:08.388000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:36:08.808000+08:00","text":"沒關係，我來回答一下。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-06T10:36:11.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:36:14.431000+08:00","text":"有關於陽明公園前面亂象的部分，確實權屬有中央跟地方，我們在短期之內就先跟臺北市政府聯繫一下如何處理攤販的問題，我們不是說要把攤販都趕走，而是怎麼樣讓它有秩序化……","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-06T10:36:14.431000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-06T10:36:15.431000+08:00","text":"我不是喔！","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-06T10:36:14.451000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:36:14.731000+08:00","text":"我不是說要把他們趕走！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-06T10:36:28.758000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:36:34.644000+08:00","text":"我知道、我知道，讓它有秩序，不要影響到門面，不要讓人家覺得陽明山國家公園、陽明公園這麼亂，我們來檢討一下。","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-06T10:36:35.785000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:36:46.615000+08:00","text":"剛剛他們所說的就是整體一起來規劃的時候給我們一點時間，我們儘量不要那麼長的時間，花到一年，我們儘量在短一點的時間內完成，但是請讓我們估算一下再跟委員來回報。","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-06T10:36:47.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:36:49.498000+08:00","text":"好，部長，您請坐。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-06T10:36:50.098000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:37:04.592000+08:00","text":"我必須要跟你們溝通一個觀念，不是什麼事情，我要怎樣怎樣，我當然知道你要做到一百分是OK的，但明明就在那邊了，多久了？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-06T10:37:05.312000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:37:08.255000+08:00","text":"我也不是今天才說，為什麼要特別說這個？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-06T10:37:11.228000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:37:26.588000+08:00","text":"門面中的門面，已經那麼久了，明明是你可以取得雙贏的東西，但每次就是說行政程序啦，跟臺北市政府或什麼的，不去做的事永遠有藉口，但如果真的想做就做好了啊！","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-06T10:37:27.149000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:37:41.687000+08:00","text":"我講句比較難聽一點的，我今天如果是行政院長，我來跟你們說這個是門面中的門面，怎麼可以這樣，我限你們多久給我處理好，我看你們半夜都加班，馬上就處理了吧？","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"董次長建宏","start":"2025-01-06T10:37:42.187000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:37:54.939000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們這個月內就跟臺北市政府來開會討論看怎麼處理，儘速把相關的規範跟運作方式在這個月內討論好，看能不能在兩個月內就把它處理完。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-06T10:37:55.579000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:37:58.960000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝次長，我覺得事情就是要這樣做啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-06T10:37:59.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:38:04.142000+08:00","text":"但還有一個，我們不是讓攤販沒有生意做，應該要把它規劃好。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-06T10:38:04.142000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:38:14.505000+08:00","text":"你去看人家國外的國家公園，你看日本的就好了，人家也是在賣東西，但感覺就不是破破爛爛的，我覺得這個真的是門面啦！好。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-06T10:38:16.285000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:38:35.779000+08:00","text":"最後，其實國家公園設有很多的步道，當然是都在國家公園裡面，但有沒有思考過跟地方政府配合一下，國家公園的步道可以延伸的部分，大家可以延伸、串聯，我覺得這個都可以去思考啦，好不好？","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"董次長建宏","start":"2025-01-06T10:38:35.799000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:38:43.666000+08:00","text":"好，針對相關的步道連結，我們會跟地方政府一起討論，也會跟整個交通部的環島步道一起來做連結。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-06T10:38:43.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:38:43.807000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-06T10:38:43.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:38:44.107000+08:00","text":"謝謝張宏陸召委的質詢。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-06T10:38:44.147000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-06T10:38:44.287000+08:00","text":"下一位請徐欣瑩召委。","quality":0.333}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}