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根據經濟部的規劃台智電將統包銷25年容量約40億度電總金額至少5500億元那部長目前台智電預計每度電價格"},{"start":397.313,"end":403.325,"text":"幾元呢 售價幾元呢 這個都誇大其詞 報告委員你如果有必要 我們親自去跟你報告"},{"start":404.583,"end":411.127,"text":"讓你非常清楚因為這個我認為是以何傳惹現在都弄到讓委員來這邊質詢了大家現在擔心的是台智電會不會在政策壓力之下被迫高價買綠電然後低價賣出造成虧損不可能確定不可能如果我甚至於我們可以大家勸一個MOU如果他買不到不要來找我們"},{"start":431.619,"end":438.722,"text":"那部長我可不可以請教一下台製電到底什麼時候可以開始受電什麼時候才可以打到損一兩瓶呢他不會虧損他不會虧損你可以幫他掛保證嗎你這樣子我都為您擔心了不用為我擔心這個是我的專業"},{"start":452.712,"end":471.884,"text":"那我必須要講啦絕對不能把台電的財務黑洞轉嫁給新的受建平台把問題丟給販官股的企業跟民營調整能源配比能源政策才是釜底抽薪的辦法好不好 本席建議部長謝謝委員指教 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:03:40.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:03:43.256000+08:00","text":"主席，我想請郭部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-08T10:03:43.256000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:03:43.417000+08:00","text":"請郭部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:03:50.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:03:59.470000+08:00","text":"部長，我想請問您記不記得前陣子本席跟您提起我們斗六的長治、久安公園？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:04:02.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:04:15.753000+08:00","text":"產業園區管理局多次在地方開會，就是不願意來做這個公園的整治，然後導致地方怨聲載道，可不可以請部長回答這件事情的進度為何？","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2025-01-08T10:04:19.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:04:24.724000+08:00","text":"詳細的部分是不是可以由局長來報告？","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:04:25.224000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:04:42.329000+08:00","text":"局長，我想要知道的是為什麼已經去會勘過了，局長在現場也答應大家一定會來整治這個公園，但是在局長之下的主任跟所有的員工都不願意去執行，到底是為什麼呢？","quality":0.928},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:04:42.549000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:04:44.310000+08:00","text":"部長可以協助來了解嗎？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"楊局長伯耕","start":"2025-01-08T10:04:44.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:04:52.806000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，經費的部分已經匡列了；第二個，規劃的部分在今年會執行。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:04:54.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:05:01.552000+08:00","text":"如果是這樣子的話，我當然覺得非常的好，部長，可以拜託您繼續追蹤這個案件嗎？","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:05:01.552000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:05:22.154000+08:00","text":"因為我有到那個管理的辦公室，他告訴我除非縣政府願意接管，否則他們是不願意來執行的，我覺得這一點是非常的不可取，那我在這裡要拜託部長繼續追蹤這個案件。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:05:22.715000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:05:39.029000+08:00","text":"接下來我想要請教部長關於成立綠電平臺「台灣智慧電能」的問題，初期是由中鋼成立，到現在為止，有很多泛官股都已經被經濟部拉來一起投資了，部長知道是哪一些泛官股嗎？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2025-01-08T10:05:39.149000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:06:01.869000+08:00","text":"這個是由中鋼發起的，那泛官股的部分大概就是有綠電需求的，我們是希望有綠電需求的泛官股能夠加入，像中油……","quality":0.851},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:06:04.151000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:06:11.257000+08:00","text":"據本席所知，有耀華玻璃、ITIC、中華電信、中油、臺灣高鐵跟國發基金。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:06:11.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:06:16.461000+08:00","text":"那本席好奇的是，這些泛官股真的是自願的嗎？","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:06:16.621000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:06:18.983000+08:00","text":"他們是自願來的，還是被政策所逼？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2025-01-08T10:06:20.323000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:06:40.239000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們經濟部的態度就是說不強迫，不會強迫他們來參加，就是他們有需求，就歡迎他們加入，因為我們建立這個平臺，就是要解決小額、沒有20年這麼長久需求的部分，讓他們來加入。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:06:40.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:07:00.972000+08:00","text":"據本席所知，包括國發基金，包括ITIC，包括耀華玻璃，他們都不需要大量的綠電，很顯然跟被政策所逼有些微的關係，因為如果是自願的，為什麼前兩天中鋼的工會會來臺北抗議？","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:07:00.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:07:06.896000+08:00","text":"他們覺得經濟部強迫中鋼要投資這個售電平臺甚至影響到中鋼的股價。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:07:10.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:07:19.566000+08:00","text":"部長，會不會是因為台電已經賠得夠慘了，所以成立這個台智電就是拉所有的國營企業一起來分擔風險？","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:07:19.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:07:26.672000+08:00","text":"因為所有的員工都很擔心他們的公司會不會步上台電的後塵，是不是請部長說明一下？","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2025-01-08T10:07:27.973000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:07:39.493000+08:00","text":"就這個部分我要跟委員報告，第一個，我們絕對沒有強迫這些公司加入這樣的一個售電平臺，這是我必須要澄清的第一件事情。","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2025-01-08T10:07:39.493000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T10:07:40.493000+08:00","text":"第二，您剛才在講的……","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:07:40.093000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:07:41.333000+08:00","text":"可是中鋼的總工會說台智電恐成錢坑，他們擔心他們員工的權益會受影響，您覺得呢？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2025-01-08T10:07:41.353000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:07:42.534000+08:00","text":"我認為這是溝通的問題，就是中鋼的經營階層必須要跟工會再溝通，工會可能是誤解，所以他們才會有這樣的說法。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:08:02.117000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:08:09.638000+08:00","text":"部長，如果只是誤解，那就最好，您知道中鋼有多少員工嗎？","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2025-01-08T10:08:09.638000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:08:10.419000+08:00","text":"有一萬多名員工。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:08:10.419000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T10:08:13.079000+08:00","text":"是，有一萬多名員工。","quality":0.125},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2025-01-08T10:08:13.079000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:08:21.761000+08:00","text":"我認為這件事情一定是誤解，沒有溝通得很好，所以我要求中鋼的董事長要跟他們充分的溝通。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:08:21.761000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T10:08:23.341000+08:00","text":"請部長一定要落實溝通。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:08:23.341000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:08:27.742000+08:00","text":"那我再問一下部長，您知道中鋼的股東人數有多少嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2025-01-08T10:08:29.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:08:35.785000+08:00","text":"關於這個部分，我跟委員報告，我有跟中鋼的董事長講：你們隨時可以退出。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:08:39.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:08:56.071000+08:00","text":"我跟部長提醒一下，中鋼的股東人數有130萬人，如果加入售電平臺造成中鋼嚴重虧損的話，無異是將這個政策的風險轉嫁於百萬的股民跟中鋼的員工生計之上。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2025-01-08T10:08:56.631000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:09:06.183000+08:00","text":"這完全是誤會，報告委員，他們對這個事情大概誤會很大……","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:09:06.183000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T10:09:07.584000+08:00","text":"如果只是誤會，這樣當然是最好，但是部長……","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2025-01-08T10:09:07.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:09:13.149000+08:00","text":"我認為這件事情就是溝通、再溝通，持續繼續溝通到他們能夠了解。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:09:13.189000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:09:19.433000+08:00","text":"我們支持你們溝通，但是本席想問的是，成立全新購電平臺的必要性是什麼？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2025-01-08T10:09:20.855000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:09:25.540000+08:00","text":"購電平臺就是服務小額但是沒有長期綠電需求的……","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:09:25.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:09:32.468000+08:00","text":"因為台電在2021年就已經有成立電力交易平臺了，這樣不是疊床架屋嗎？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:09:32.468000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:09:33.349000+08:00","text":"這個差別在哪裡呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2025-01-08T10:09:34.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:09:50.757000+08:00","text":"不是疊床架屋，台電的就是必須要簽20年、25年這種長期約，而這個購電平臺是讓業者買小額的，他們隨時可以買，也隨時可以不買，所以完全不一樣，這就是在補過去方法不足的地方。","quality":0.597},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:09:50.757000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:09:55.922000+08:00","text":"那我再請問一下部長，依照經濟部的規劃，台智電將統包銷25年，容量約40億度電，總金額至少5,500億元。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:09:56.062000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:10:10.015000+08:00","text":"部長，目前台智電預計每度電售價幾元呢？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2025-01-08T10:10:10.255000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:10:17.844000+08:00","text":"這個都誇大其辭，報告委員，如果有必要，我們親自去跟你報告，讓你非常清楚，因為這個我認為是以訛傳訛……","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:10:17.844000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T10:10:18.844000+08:00","text":"本席最後提醒部長一件事情……","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2025-01-08T10:10:17.864000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:10:18.144000+08:00","text":"現在都弄到讓委員來這邊質詢了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:10:18.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:10:20.786000+08:00","text":"大家現在擔心的是，台智電會不會在政策壓力之下被迫高價買綠電，然後低價賣出，造成虧損？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2025-01-08T10:10:20.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:10:20.946000+08:00","text":"不可能。確定？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2025-01-08T10:10:20.966000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:10:21.086000+08:00","text":"不可能。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:10:21.086000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T10:10:22.086000+08:00","text":"好，本席相信你。","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2025-01-08T10:10:21.166000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:10:23.127000+08:00","text":"甚至於我們大家可以簽一個MOU，如果他買不到，不要來找我們。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:10:43.879000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:10:48.541000+08:00","text":"部長，我可不可以請教一下，台智電到底什麼時候可以開始售電？","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:10:48.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:10:49.782000+08:00","text":"什麼時候才可以達到損益兩平呢？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2025-01-08T10:10:49.862000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:10:49.882000+08:00","text":"它不會虧損。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:10:49.902000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:10:50.022000+08:00","text":"它不會虧損？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:10:50.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:10:50.262000+08:00","text":"你可以幫它掛保證嗎？當然。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:10:50.262000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:10:50.502000+08:00","text":"你這樣子我都為您擔心了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2025-01-08T10:10:50.522000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:10:50.722000+08:00","text":"不用為我擔心，這個是我的專業。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:11:06.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:11:22.043000+08:00","text":"我必須要講，絕對不能把台電的財務黑洞轉嫁給新的售電平臺，把問題丟給泛官股的企業跟民營，調整能源配比、能源政策才是釜底抽薪的辦法，好不好？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-01-08T10:11:22.263000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:11:23.424000+08:00","text":"本席建議部長，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2025-01-08T10:11:23.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:11:23.884000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝委員指教，謝謝。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-08T10:11:24.384000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T10:11:26.669714+08:00","text":"請張啓楷委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}