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我們今天的議題就是國際海事組織IMO在近兩年的NEPC的會議的結果它會要求國際航線以及航商要有具體的目標就是2030年以前"},{"start":404.645,"end":429.41,"text":"碳強度要降低40%2040年預計要減少70%至80%並且要在2050年達到溫室氣體淨零排放的這樣一個標準當然它有一些具體的措施就是2030年這個船舶所使用的能源占比至少要有5%是來自於淨零的這個"},{"start":431.59,"end":456.947,"text":"燃料而且要使用碳捕捉的系統捕捉傳播排放尾氣產生的二氧化碳而且並且要儲存新建或者是在建造中的船隻要嚴格的審查它傳播的能源效率設計的指數提高審查的標準等等那而且要航行中要使用相關的這種節能的技術"},{"start":457.788,"end":486.454,"text":"那歐盟對於淨營的措施要求是更加的嚴格那其實我要請教的是市長我們對於台灣的各大港口對於相關這種國際的趨勢跟標準我們準備好了沒有我們有足夠的岸電設施嗎或者是我們未來要如何進行淨營燃料的添加是否有進行規劃來港澳公司要說明還是港港局"},{"start":487.588,"end":501.687,"text":"好 那個目前我們也配合國際MO組織那目前我們所有的港口當中有已經建置了219座的低壓的岸墊"},{"start":502.808,"end":515.356,"text":"那另外11座的高壓岸墊那在今年跟明年的話我們另外還要做建置5座尤其是基隆的那個郵輪一座那高雄一個郵輪三個貨櫃場"},{"start":518.058,"end":543.03,"text":"那另外的話我們配合整個那個淨零碳排的話我們在高雄的話我們目前在在評估規劃LNG跟相關的劣甲醇一些燃料能夠降低那另外我們自己我們所有的港口就是我們也做一個配合那個智慧港灣所以我們那個自動門哨的話盡量能夠"},{"start":545.851,"end":563.106,"text":"因為時間的關係我最後再請教一個小問題也是大議題那主流的四種淨零的燃料台灣的安全規格像LNG它的液化溫度要低於零下163度需要有低溫的這種防護態的儲存"},{"start":566.427,"end":590.799,"text":"空間的需求是1.6倍那家村也是要常溫的長壓的液態儲存它空間需求是2.3然後安氣是要液化的溫度是要零下34度那它是有毒而且對人體的安全風險度最高它空間儲存也要2.9倍那氫氣也是要零下253度而且"},{"start":593.908,"end":606.243,"text":"有容易爆炸或燃燒的這種危險它的空間需求最大要4.3倍那我們針對這種未來主流的這種淨零燃料的物理特性我們有足夠的安全規範嗎那個葉局長"},{"start":609.124,"end":624.971,"text":"跟委員報告分兩個部分跟委員報告第一個是針對LNG跟甲醇這種氣體或是低散點的燃料的安全的部分我們在去年的1月已經依照存保法101條採納EMO所發布的IGF 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昆澤","start":"2025-01-08T10:32:09.723000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:32:14.025000+08:00","text":"既然我們有提到相關的因素，那我們有什麼相關對應的策略嗎？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2025-01-08T10:32:15.465000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:32:44.791000+08:00","text":"有人會提到是否要有國旅的補助，但是國旅補助是有一定的規範，是在天災或者疫情或者整體淡季的時候一種非常態性的補助，春節就比較不屬於這個範圍，而且這不是住宿率的問題，這是整體觀光產業會受到衝擊的問題，交通部沒有拿出任何對應的辦法，讓我非常失望！","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2025-01-08T10:32:48.391000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:32:49.912000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，經常用補助不是一個好方法，所以……","quality":0.632},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2025-01-08T10:32:49.912000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T10:32:51.433500+08:00","text":"所以我說它是非常態的啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2025-01-08T10:32:51.433500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T10:32:52.955000+08:00","text":"對，這是非常態。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2025-01-08T10:32:52.955000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:33:05.665000+08:00","text":"但是今年整年來講，對於不管是國際觀光客來臺或整體的國內旅遊如何復甦，我想觀光署大概會有一系列的規劃……","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2025-01-08T10:33:07.086000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:33:22.552000+08:00","text":"你看你都講得吞吞吐吐，我就認為交通部對於提升國內旅遊以及吸引國外旅客到臺灣旅遊，還沒有提出具體的政策，你們必須要儘快地拿出相關對應的策略。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2025-01-08T10:33:25.273000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:33:28.475000+08:00","text":"是，這一部分我會責請觀光署儘速把相關的計畫提出來。","quality":0.478},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2025-01-08T10:33:28.475000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:33:35.258000+08:00","text":"旅遊業者大家都在期待交通部要有更進一步具體的作為，能夠提升相關的觀光旅遊產業的發展。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2025-01-08T10:33:36.911000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:33:49.135000+08:00","text":"整個觀光產業的發展，其實行政院最近也會召開相關的諮詢委員會，我們會在裡頭徵詢相關業界的意見，看如何來推動國內的觀光。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2025-01-08T10:33:49.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:33:52.236000+08:00","text":"那你們認為交通部什麼時候會提出具體的作法？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2025-01-08T10:33:54.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:34:00.191000+08:00","text":"因為相關的會議大概在1月下旬，所以我們近期應該會提出相關的方案。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2025-01-08T10:34:01.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:34:07.558000+08:00","text":"民眾已經不太能接受目前觀光旅遊的這種狀況……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2025-01-08T10:34:07.558000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T10:34:08.558000+08:00","text":"是、是、是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2025-01-08T10:34:07.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:34:08.799000+08:00","text":"必須要提出具體的作為。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2025-01-08T10:34:10.220000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:34:41.867000+08:00","text":"我現在來請教你，我們今天的議題是國際海事組織（IMO）在近兩年MEPC會議的結果，要求國際航線以及航商要有具體的目標，就是2030年以前碳強度要降低40%，2040年預計要減少70%至80%，並且要在2050年達到溫室氣體淨零排放這樣的標準。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2025-01-08T10:34:42.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:35:20.947000+08:00","text":"當然他有一些具體的措施，就是2030年前船舶所使用的能源占比至少要有5%是來自於淨零燃料；而且要使用碳捕捉系統捕捉船舶排放尾氣產生的二氧化碳並且儲存；新建或者是在建造中的船隻要嚴格審查船舶能源效率設計指數，提高審查標準等等；而且航行中要使用相關的節能技術。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2025-01-08T10:35:22.068000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:35:26.389000+08:00","text":"歐盟對於淨零措施的要求是更加嚴格。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2025-01-08T10:35:27.869000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:35:37.251000+08:00","text":"次長，其實我要請教的是臺灣的各大港口對於相關這種國際趨勢及標準準備好了沒有？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2025-01-08T10:35:37.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:35:40.572000+08:00","text":"我們有足夠的岸電設施嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2025-01-08T10:35:40.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:35:46.533000+08:00","text":"或者是我們未來要如何進行淨零燃料的添加，是否有進行規劃？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2025-01-08T10:35:46.533000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:35:50.434000+08:00","text":"港務公司要說明，還是航港局要說明？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"李董事長賢義","start":"2025-01-08T10:35:50.434000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T10:35:52.910000+08:00","text":"我來說明。好。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"李董事長賢義","start":"2025-01-08T10:35:52.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:36:47.030000+08:00","text":"目前我們也配合國際IMO組織，在所有港口當中已經建置了219座的低壓岸電、11座的高壓岸電，在今年和明年，我們還要建置5座，尤其是基隆的郵輪碼頭1座，高雄的郵輪碼頭1個，3個在貨櫃場，另外，配合整個淨零碳排，目前我們在高雄評估規劃LNG及相關綠甲醇燃料，能夠降低碳排，所有的港口也配合智慧港灣，我們的自動門哨能夠儘量減少車輛……","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2025-01-08T10:36:49.851000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:36:50.812000+08:00","text":"好，因為時間的關係。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2025-01-08T10:36:50.812000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:36:55.356000+08:00","text":"我最後再請教一個小問題，也是大議題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2025-01-08T10:36:55.636000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:36:59.719000+08:00","text":"針對主流的四種淨零燃料，臺灣的安全規格如何？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2025-01-08T10:37:00.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:37:42.814000+08:00","text":"像LNG，液化溫度要低於零下163度，需要有低溫的防護設施儲存，空間的需求是1.6倍；甲醇是要常溫常壓液態儲存，空間需求是2.3倍；氨氣是液化溫度要零下34度，有毒而且對人體安全風險度最高，空間需求也要2.9倍；氫氣也是要零下253度，而且有容易爆炸或燃燒的危險，空間需求最大，要4.3倍。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2025-01-08T10:37:44.976000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:37:50.203000+08:00","text":"針對這種未來主流淨零燃料的物理特性，我們有足夠的安全規劃嗎？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2025-01-08T10:37:50.223000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:37:50.243000+08:00","text":"請葉局長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"葉局長協隆","start":"2025-01-08T10:37:53.124000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:37:55.865000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這個分兩個部分跟委員報告。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"葉局長協隆","start":"2025-01-08T10:37:56.586000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:38:22.639000+08:00","text":"第一個是針對LNG及甲醇這種氣體或是低閃點燃料的安全部分，我們在去年1月已經依照船舶法第一百零一條採納IMO所發布的IGF Code，它是針對這種綠色能源的一般性通用規範，所以這個部分我們已經跟國際接軌。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"葉局長協隆","start":"2025-01-08T10:38:22.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:38:39.552000+08:00","text":"第二個部分是針對特殊的淨零燃料，比如氨氣這樣的特殊燃料，IMO也另外發布了臨時性的使用安全準則，這個部分我們也函請我們的航商來參考。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"葉局長協隆","start":"2025-01-08T10:38:40.613000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:39:09.894000+08:00","text":"氫氣的部分，IMO目前還沒有發布，預計在2026（明）年會來發布，剛剛跟委員報告的氨氣及氫氣這個部分，都是所謂的臨時性使用安全準則，還不是強制性的規範，當它轉換成強制性的規範，我們一定會依照船舶法來做內國法化的動作，跟國際來接軌，確保船舶操作的安全。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2025-01-08T10:39:10.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:39:11.770000+08:00","text":"好，以上。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2025-01-08T10:39:12.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:39:36.876000+08:00","text":"次長，不過我還是要提醒你，我們在吸引國外旅客是欲振乏力，當然我們國旅在2024年、今年有逐漸恢復到疫情之前的水準，但是春節這個住宿率真的是讓大家失望，必須嚴加地督促，必須做整體的重新檢討及規劃。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2025-01-08T10:39:36.876000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:39:38.297000+08:00","text":"好，是，我們會朝這個方向來努力。謝謝。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-08T10:39:38.797000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T10:39:40.797000+08:00","text":"謝謝李昆澤委員。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"主席（李委員昆澤代）","start":"2025-01-08T10:39:41.097000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T10:39:43.954143+08:00","text":"現在請陳素月召委發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}