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育年所就是要進行收集跟彙整國內外有關低碳交通區的類似的案例的實施內容然後要檢視我們低碳交通區相關的法規缺口還有掩體相關的法制可是剛剛也有提到說這個要點"},{"start":290.83,"end":307.98,"text":"你才剛提出嘛那據我所得到的訊息我不曉得現在有沒有更新的進度就是在去年就是113年8月10號運營所有將低碳交通區的補助作業要點函送交通部可是交通部核定了嗎市長回答一下"},{"start":310.083,"end":327.777,"text":"合訂了嗎?這個要點是經過交通部合訂就可以了,那剛才我有說明,正在這個部裡頭大概做一些旅遊,那另外一個我們希望這個要點以後能夠去說明給地方更詳細的一個指引,看怎麼樣來做,所以這個東西部裡頭應該還在檢討中,是"},{"start":331.007,"end":345.863,"text":"所以這個要點就是交通部核定就可以了那還沒確定那交通部核定了嗎跟我們補充報告一下第一個部分這個要點基本上交通部這個核定就可以不用送到對那核定就可以那核定那目前市裡面"},{"start":346.383,"end":361.73,"text":"正在這個就是說修正運營所送上來的一個這個草案那我這邊也特別跟委員報告就是說這個地攤交通區的部分的話大概就是說在目前有一些電動化跟地攤的話還有燃油這些運具的使用這個過程當中"},{"start":362.99,"end":388.998,"text":"那希望說建立一些這個地攤化跟這個電動化的一個這個環境那我們期待說這些相關的這個環境的建立不要以管制為首要應該裡面還有一些相關配套就是說讓大家很自然去這個熟悉使用這樣子的部分所以這些相關補助要點的部分的話我們細節是裡面還在檢討那另外一個部分的話剛剛委員有提到說相關地方政府的部分其實大概整個這個運營所在過程當中"},{"start":389.978,"end":405.805,"text":"有跟地方政府做討論那其實也有很多這個地方政府有表達這樣子的意願那這些相關未來因為確實六千萬的金額不多啦那在這個補助要點裡面就必須要有一個這個遴選的一個程序這個部分我們就要比較特別周圍去做一個考量"},{"start":406.605,"end":424.275,"text":"是好那就是剛剛你們的回覆就是可以看得出來目前是要點交通部也還沒有核定那你們就已經先框了這個預算那我不曉得說這樣接下來你們的這個執行到底能不能順利那我剛剛有請教次長說"},{"start":425.336,"end":448.002,"text":"我們這個低碳交通區要進行到什麼樣的程度是參照歐盟的方式嗎因為我們來看一下就是有關歐盟的他們的一個實施的一個方式事實上有關歐盟他們實施這個低碳交通區他們也是經過了很多年的討論、試行還有試應之後才去實施的"},{"start":448.382,"end":463.702,"text":"那我們是這個觀念我想一般民眾可能都還完全不知道那我們現在就要來補助那補助意思就是要去落實的嘛那我不曉得說在今年有哪一個縣市會來做那因為我們的國情啊民情還有我們"},{"start":464.202,"end":468.068,"text":"的地理環境地狹人仇我不曉得說我們來實施這個會不會遇到阻礙啦其實以我的看法我覺得應該會會有很大的阻礙啦因為你看這個以德國歐洲來看德國他們"},{"start":480.086,"end":506.01,"text":"的這個低碳交通區他是將車牌那個排放量是分為三種然後有用三個顏色去區分然後經過幾十年的過渡期檢討然後他在2021年的時候他們就說貼紅色貼紙的車輛就禁止進入低排放區然後貼綠色貼紙的車輛才可以駛入低排放區否則就是會有罰則罰款那我不曉得我們"},{"start":509.091,"end":533.23,"text":"是朝這個方向嗎 我們有可能做到這樣子的一個階段嗎我想跟委員做說明 剛才講這個示範區而且它是在2050的淨零排放的路徑藍圖裡面所以不會是在今年一開始要實施的時候就採取這麼嚴格的管制的作為所以你們補助的話 補助獎勵要怎樣做到什麼程度而且剛才我又特別提到"},{"start":533.59,"end":548.267,"text":"他會有幾個區域在做比如說都市型的或者是景點跟離島的或者是工業區等等的所以他會選擇一個比較適宜的地方採取用鼓勵的方式先行的方式來做處理是"},{"start":548.767,"end":566.387,"text":"我想當然就是說淨零碳排2050是一個國際的一個趨勢每一個部會都有自己要努力的一個目標那會有要擬定的一個政策那我們希望就是說這樣子的一個政策在推動的過程真的要"},{"start":567.428,"end":584.116,"text":"就是要去考量到我們的民情然後也要加強去宣導因為不能驟然實施不然可能就是會造成很大的不適應就是會引起很大的反彈跟這個民怨好 謝謝委員的指導 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2025-01-08T10:39:57.045000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:39:57.786000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請主席邀請陳次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-08T10:39:57.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:39:57.886000+08:00","text":"請陳彥伯次長。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2025-01-08T10:39:57.886000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:39:57.926000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2025-01-08T10:39:58.046000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:39:58.086000+08:00","text":"次長早安。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2025-01-08T10:39:58.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:39:59.967000+08:00","text":"今天委員會是針對「陸海空交通運輸業因應淨零排放轉型之改善措施」進行討論，剛剛相關單位都有提出報告。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2025-01-08T10:40:00.167000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:40:28.325000+08:00","text":"我們知道，運輸的部分是由交通部主責，包括淨零排放的相關政策。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2025-01-08T10:40:29.085000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:41:31.675000+08:00","text":"我們看到在2023年4月行政院核定了十二項關鍵戰略行動計畫，關鍵戰略十就是淨零綠生活，這是由交通部來主責，交通部預計要推動營造深度減碳運輸計畫、低碳交通區的規劃與示範、交通場域設施節能減碳、基礎設施調適等重點工作，我們也看到在我們剛剛審完的114年度總預算當中，運研所在運輸研究業務當中，針對營造深度減碳運輸環境暨打造低耗能交通場域計畫編列了4,050萬元，這是分年執行的計畫，交通部也編了6,000萬元要用在獎補助費，補助直轄市及各縣市政府建立低碳交通示範區計畫。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2025-01-08T10:41:33.096000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:41:43.703000+08:00","text":"我想請教一下，建立低碳交通示範區是一個很新的觀念，我不曉得交通部要怎麼去推動？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2025-01-08T10:41:44.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:41:45.344000+08:00","text":"要做到什麼程度？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2025-01-08T10:41:45.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:41:47.786000+08:00","text":"是不是可以請次長先簡單講一下？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2025-01-08T10:41:48.186000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:41:52.770000+08:00","text":"我簡單說明以後，再請運研所或公運司來說明。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2025-01-08T10:41:54.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:42:37.231000+08:00","text":"原則上，有關低碳交通區的概念，剛才委員特別提到，其實是國際間有關淨零轉型上，有幾個國家會採行的措施，就是希望在那個區域裡面的運具也好，或是旅行的型態也好，都能夠採用低碳或者是淨零的工具在這裡頭運作，至於要怎麼做，運輸研究所先要就這一個低碳交通區去做相關的研究，研究完了以後，就會在今年訂定相關補助要點，訂定要點以後，才會在今年的預算編列來補助各地方政府看怎麼樣來實施低碳交通區。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2025-01-08T10:42:37.231000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:43:11.732000+08:00","text":"但是針對低碳交通區未來的構想跟想像，要如何執行其實還缺少了相關的指引，所以目前我也請運研所就這個指引來告訴大家如何來做，原則上會分三個區域，一個當然是都會區的，另外一個是有關景區的，還有一個是有關外島低碳交通區的概念，原則上是朝這三個方向來做，以上。","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2025-01-08T10:43:12.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:43:13.668000+08:00","text":"好，那請運研所說明。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"蘇副所長振維","start":"2025-01-08T10:43:15.309000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:43:38.596000+08:00","text":"有關於低碳交通區這個部分，剛剛次長有提到，針對低碳的部分，本來是從淨零排放這個部分能夠把高污染的運具排除在外，希望能夠從一個小的範圍慢慢的推廣，讓整個部分能夠建置起來。","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"蘇副所長振維","start":"2025-01-08T10:43:40.997000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:44:00.425000+08:00","text":"關於推進的進度，就像剛剛講的，有一些是在都會區，譬如在信義計畫區或是八里等地區，或是在風景區做一些管制，另外在新興的新市鎮，可以比較完整的管制車輛。","quality":0.687},{"speaker":"蘇副所長振維","start":"2025-01-08T10:44:00.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:44:21.045000+08:00","text":"低碳交通區的草案已經出來了，後續公運司就會陸續補助地方政府，因為它是地方自治事項，由這個部分來逐漸推進一些計畫。","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2025-01-08T10:44:23.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:44:50.293000+08:00","text":"好，包括剛剛次長回答的，運研所就是要蒐集及彙整國內外低碳交通區類似案例實施的內容，然後要檢視低碳交通區相關的法規缺口，以及研提相關的法制，可是剛剛你有提到這個要點才剛提出來，不曉得現在有沒有更新的進度？","quality":0.883},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2025-01-08T10:44:51.333000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:45:00.659000+08:00","text":"據我所得到的訊息，去（113）年8月10號運研所有將低碳交通區的補助作業要點函送交通部，可是交通部核定了嗎？","quality":0.791},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2025-01-08T10:45:01.239000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:45:01.960000+08:00","text":"請次長回答一下。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2025-01-08T10:45:05.684000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:45:21.637000+08:00","text":"這個要點經過交通部核定就可以了，剛才我有說明，目前部裡頭正在做一些review，我們希望在要點當中能夠說明，給地方更詳細的指引，看看怎麼樣來做，這部分部裡頭應該還在檢討中。","quality":0.772},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2025-01-08T10:45:25.007000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:45:27.229000+08:00","text":"所以這個要點就是交通部核定就可以了？是。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2025-01-08T10:45:28.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:45:31.073000+08:00","text":"那就是還沒確定，請問交通部核定了嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林司長福山","start":"2025-01-08T10:45:31.073000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:45:37.080000+08:00","text":"跟委員補充報告一下，基本上，這個要點經過交通部核定就可以，不用送到……","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2025-01-08T10:45:37.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T10:45:38.721000+08:00","text":"只要交通部核定就可以，那核定了嗎？","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"林司長福山","start":"2025-01-08T10:45:39.062000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