{"error":false,"id":["158773"],"data":{"IVOD_ID":158773,"IVOD_URL":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158773","日期":"2025-01-08","會議資料":{"會議代碼":"委員會-11-2-19-22","會議代碼:str":"第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議","屆":11,"會期":2,"會次":22,"臨時會會次":null,"種類":"委員會","委員會代碼":[19],"委員會代碼:str":["經濟委員會"],"標題":"第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議"},"影片種類":"Clip","開始時間":"2025-01-08T12:04:17+08:00","結束時間":"2025-01-08T12:10:51+08:00","影片長度":"00:06:34","支援功能":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/740a0dd0b202cb582cbeeaefb745c9fba56fd3a12bc29fbbe734c898429ef19ac7e4384474ecec015ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"黃國昌","委員發言時間":"12:04:17 - 12:10:51","會議時間":"2025-01-08T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於經濟部主管：經濟作業基金、水資源作業基金、經濟特別收入基金、核能發電後端營運基金。(詢答)\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣糖業股份有限公司、台灣中油股份有限公司。(詢答)\n【1月8日及9日兩天一次會】）","transcript":{"pyannote":[{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":9.480968750000002,"end":12.67034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":13.125968750000002,"end":14.020343750000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":14.25659375,"end":15.20159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":21.36096875,"end":21.37784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":21.37784375,"end":21.83346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":25.140968750000003,"end":25.90034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":26.32221875,"end":29.157218750000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":29.579093750000002,"end":31.13159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":31.570343750000003,"end":33.612218750000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":34.62471875,"end":36.987218750000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":38.30346875,"end":39.87284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":40.81784375,"end":42.26909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":42.94409375,"end":43.65284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":44.81721875,"end":46.16721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":46.60596875,"end":47.736593750000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":48.71534375,"end":50.62221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":51.28034375,"end":52.63034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":53.220968750000004,"end":54.85784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":55.80284375,"end":57.102218750000006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":57.625343750000006,"end":60.24096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":60.477218750000006,"end":62.53596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":64.07159375,"end":66.09659375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":66.55221875000001,"end":68.20596875000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":68.89784375,"end":70.65284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":71.64846875,"end":72.17159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":72.64409375000001,"end":73.45409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":74.14596875000001,"end":75.15846875000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":75.24284375,"end":76.22159375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":77.50409375000001,"end":78.88784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":79.37721875000001,"end":81.26721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":81.70596875000001,"end":82.53284375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":83.39346875000001,"end":84.43971875000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":85.13159375000001,"end":86.32971875000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":86.58284375000001,"end":88.59096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":88.99596875,"end":90.22784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":91.44284375000001,"end":92.60721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":94.39596875000001,"end":97.77096875000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":98.00721875,"end":100.48784375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":101.14596875000001,"end":101.34846875000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":101.34846875000001,"end":101.43284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":102.04034375,"end":102.29346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":102.79971875000001,"end":102.81659375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":102.81659375000001,"end":102.85034375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":102.85034375000001,"end":102.86721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":102.86721875,"end":102.90096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":102.90096875,"end":102.96846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":102.96846875,"end":103.62659375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":103.62659375000001,"end":103.67721875000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":103.67721875000001,"end":103.71096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":104.79096875,"end":105.33096875000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":105.71909375000001,"end":110.86596875000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":109.98846875000001,"end":115.74284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":116.46846875000001,"end":118.71284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":122.29034375,"end":127.77471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":128.65221875,"end":129.36096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":129.79971875,"end":133.09034375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":133.27596875,"end":137.20784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":137.52846875,"end":139.46909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":139.95846875,"end":141.03846875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":141.03846875000002,"end":141.20721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":141.20721875,"end":141.56159375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":141.56159375000001,"end":141.57846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":141.57846875,"end":141.59534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":141.83159375,"end":141.86534375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":141.86534375000002,"end":141.89909375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":141.89909375000002,"end":141.96659375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":141.96659375000002,"end":143.63721875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":143.78909375,"end":143.99159375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":144.43034375000002,"end":149.34096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":149.34096875,"end":149.64471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":149.64471875,"end":149.84721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":149.84721875,"end":159.44909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":160.10721875000002,"end":160.78221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":161.33909375000002,"end":166.80659375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":167.12721875,"end":168.03846875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":168.39284375,"end":169.75971875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":170.56971875000002,"end":171.44721875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":171.88596875000002,"end":172.78034375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":173.72534375,"end":174.19784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":175.00784375,"end":177.04971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":177.23534375,"end":179.68221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":180.22221875000002,"end":184.33971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":184.76159375,"end":186.29721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":186.85409375,"end":191.93346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":191.98409375,"end":192.01784375000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":192.01784375000003,"end":192.03471875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":192.03471875000002,"end":192.06846875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":192.06846875000002,"end":193.87409375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":192.08534375000002,"end":192.42284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":195.66284375,"end":195.69659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":195.69659375,"end":197.08034375000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":197.45159375,"end":199.86471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":200.40471875,"end":203.77971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":204.11721875,"end":206.88471875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":207.94784375,"end":208.90971875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":209.21346875,"end":210.41159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":212.11596875,"end":213.22971875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":212.90909375,"end":214.86659375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":215.23784375000002,"end":217.33034375000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":216.45284375000003,"end":217.61721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":218.17409375000003,"end":219.59159375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":220.43534375000002,"end":222.94971875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":223.35471875000002,"end":225.58221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":226.29096875000002,"end":227.43846875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":228.50159375,"end":229.90221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":230.88096875000002,"end":233.85096875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":234.55971875,"end":236.51721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":236.61846875,"end":238.08659375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":238.35659375,"end":239.80784375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":239.80784375000002,"end":240.43221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":240.48284375000003,"end":245.37659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":240.58409375000002,"end":240.61784375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":240.65159375000002,"end":241.96784375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":242.94659375,"end":243.21659375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":244.66784375,"end":246.01784375000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":246.08534375000002,"end":246.92909375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":247.92471875,"end":249.84846875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":250.55721875,"end":252.36284375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":253.22346875000002,"end":254.79284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":255.33284375000002,"end":256.29471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":255.72096875000003,"end":256.17659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":256.37909375000004,"end":260.90159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":259.55159375,"end":259.97346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":260.90159375,"end":262.15034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":262.53846875,"end":262.75784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":262.75784375,"end":262.85909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":262.85909375,"end":262.87596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":262.87596875,"end":262.89284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":262.89284375,"end":262.90971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":263.11221875,"end":264.34409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":264.58034375,"end":266.40284375000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":266.55471875,"end":267.65159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":268.20846875,"end":269.81159375000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":270.48659375,"end":271.70159375000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":272.64659375,"end":274.41846875000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":275.05971875,"end":276.74721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":277.54034375000003,"end":279.51471875000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":280.62846875,"end":281.86034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":282.45096875,"end":284.89784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":285.77534375,"end":288.03659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":288.72846875,"end":291.00659375000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":291.51284375,"end":295.14096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":296.57534375,"end":297.04784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":297.18284375,"end":298.02659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":298.02659375,"end":299.84909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":300.23721875,"end":301.11471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":302.44784375,"end":303.32534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":304.01721875000004,"end":305.36721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":305.97471875,"end":309.97409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":311.20596875,"end":312.87659375000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":313.63596875,"end":315.01971875000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":315.52596875,"end":316.65659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":316.90971875,"end":318.79971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":320.99346875000003,"end":322.27596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":323.15346875,"end":324.48659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":325.27971875000003,"end":328.84034375000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":329.43096875000003,"end":330.49409375000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":331.40534375000004,"end":332.36721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":333.61596875000004,"end":334.47659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":335.03346875,"end":336.14721875000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":336.78846875000005,"end":337.96971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":339.21846875,"end":341.61471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":341.96909375,"end":344.04471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":344.61846875000003,"end":347.21721875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":354.06846875,"end":360.14346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":360.68346875000003,"end":360.93659375000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":360.93659375000004,"end":362.65784375000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":363.45096875,"end":369.76221875000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":365.86409375000005,"end":366.67409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":367.92284375,"end":368.12534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":369.81284375,"end":371.63534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":370.94346875,"end":382.03034375000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":373.54221875,"end":374.20034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":375.80346875000004,"end":376.47846875000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":382.11471875,"end":383.34659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":383.34659375,"end":383.38034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":383.61659375000005,"end":388.40909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":384.19034375,"end":384.89909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":388.45971875000004,"end":394.33221875000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":391.81784375,"end":392.91471875}],"whisperx":[{"start":9.92,"end":36.722,"text":"謝謝主席 馬上有請經濟部部長台堂董事長請郭部長 請吳董事長兩位好在審查其實是去年台堂的預算的時候我就很清楚的點出來了台堂前董事長吳乃仁"},{"start":38.916,"end":61.912,"text":"賤賣台塘的土地導致國家虧損一億多元這個被判刑確定了啦這被判刑確定了啦即使我們的總統賴清德用政治生命幫無乃人掛保證即使民進黨立院黨團的幹事長吳思瑤說無乃人是在做黑勞"},{"start":64.09,"end":87.319,"text":"對不起 不是黑老 是冤獄啊說誰是背後的黑手都沒有辦法改變一個事實啊第一個 判刑確定判刑確定 關出來就好欠國家的錢啊現在追查的進度到底是什麼來看一下到目前為止還欠1億7146萬來 請董事長我講了數了對不對"},{"start":94.491,"end":117.844,"text":"上來用麥克風講這樣才會進入立法院公報所有在關心的人才聽得到你的聲音是最近有沒有還最近我們有透過相關的法律程序但是查不到他的錢查不到他的錢那奇怪你們有沒有去追蹤他現在出入都做B&W你們知不知道大七系列的B&W你知道嗎"},{"start":122.335,"end":138.944,"text":"我們今年12月9號有在跟法院申請執行然後呢因為在法院的成績下他沒有錢沒有存款所以我們也拿不到錢沒有錢沒有存款就算喔"},{"start":140,"end":158.541,"text":"我們有透過法例的程序什麼程序講清楚啦透過強制執行法第幾條的什麼程序幹了什麼事情講清楚啦跟委員報告齁7.12.9號我們向法院遞狀申請再以強制執行依強制執行法第19條的規定"},{"start":160.203,"end":173.984,"text":"申請查掉債務人、無難人等私人資財產狀況向中華民國聯手保險商業同業工會中華郵政台灣集中保管"},{"start":175.409,"end":192.943,"text":"結算所股份流線公司及勞動部勞工保險局查刑以及請求法案依強制執行法第20條規定定期間並無乃人等事人即時報告財產狀況以立強制執行好 無乃人有沒有報告財產狀況"},{"start":195.786,"end":208.618,"text":"你跟法院申請嘛對你依照強制執行法20條的規定嘛跟法院申請要求債務人報告他的財產狀況嘛法院有沒有命無奶人報告財產狀況還沒有通知為什麼還沒有通知"},{"start":213.085,"end":233.572,"text":"這就是要你們台堂去追的嘛對 我們會繼續人民很憤怒 納稅人很憤怒但所有的權力都在你們台堂手上嘛因為只有你們是資格的債權人嘛大家都在看啊說無奶人沒有錢 進出做B&W大漆系列"},{"start":234.642,"end":246.693,"text":"晚上去海峽會吃高檔的料理海峽會你有去過嗎?我沒有你沒有去過?我不知道你檔次中耶你的檔次去海峽會應該剛好啦我沒有啦很熟啦鎮商關係很好的店啦"},{"start":250.618,"end":278.669,"text":"出入都是立法委員啊都是達官貴族啊那很貴的啦保持你的本性保持你的本性啊我給你鼓勵啊我為什麼提啊納稅人看不下去嘛做B&W晚上去高檔的料理旁邊還有辣妹做賠然後這樣的人沒有錢賠國家"},{"start":280.7,"end":309.807,"text":"是台塘帶墮還是台北地方法院執行處放水依照強制執行法20條的規定命債務人報告財產狀況沒有據實報告法律效果是什麼董事長知不知道報告委員這個我不太曉得但是沒關係我跟你講啊依法管收依法管收台灣是法治國家強制執行法怎麼規定白紙黑字啊寫得非常的清楚啊"},{"start":311.237,"end":335.605,"text":"台灣還有沒有公平正義啊有權有勢的人判刑確定只要總統出來掛保證有沒有積極追討錢不用還國家喔還是連台北地方法院民事執行處的法官都在放水全民都在看啊全民都在看啊請台湯齁適時的公佈你們追討的狀況"},{"start":339.604,"end":353.833,"text":"適時的公布追討的狀況 你們今天給台北地方法院的申請函台北地方法院到目前為止都沒回覆是嗎我這樣講好了啦 簡單來講你們有沒有盡責做到你們的工作 我要一個最基本的資料你們強制執勤的申請狀"},{"start":363.676,"end":383.149,"text":"以及法院回應你們強制執行的申請狀的裁定書面都給我可以嗎書面都給我這樣我才知道怎麼追究責任嘛不要你一個新的董事長你明明很困難很怕病是台北地院的錯那我當然去追嘛"},{"start":384.471,"end":390.503,"text":"這樣可以嗎好我回去會請我們的法務跟我們的律師在這件事情好謝謝謝謝委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:04:26.920000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:04:27.080000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:04:27.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:04:30.523000+08:00","text":"有請經濟部部長、台糖董事長。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-08T12:04:30.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:04:42.373000+08:00","text":"請郭部長、請吳董事長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2025-01-08T12:04:42.373000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T12:04:43.373000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:04:42.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:04:42.533000+08:00","text":"兩位好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:04:43.433000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:05:21.290000+08:00","text":"其實在審查去年台糖預算的時候，我就很清楚的點出來了，台糖前董事長吳乃仁賤賣台糖的土地，導致國家虧損一億多元，這個被判刑確定了，即使我們的總統賴清德用政治生命幫吳乃仁掛保證，即使民進黨立院黨團幹事長吳思瑤說吳乃仁是在做黑牢，對不起！","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:05:21.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:05:27.472000+08:00","text":"不是黑牢，是冤獄，說誰是背後黑手，都沒有辦法改變一個事實。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:05:28.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:05:38.997000+08:00","text":"第一個，判刑確定，判刑確定關出來就好，欠國家的錢現在追償進度到底是什麼？","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:05:40.457000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:05:44.319000+08:00","text":"到目前為止還欠1億7,146萬，請問董事長，我講的數額對不對？","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:05:51.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:05:57.274000+08:00","text":"請上來用麥克風講，這樣才會列入立法院公報，所有在關心的人才聽得到你的聲音。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"吳董事長明昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:05:58.235000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:05:58.235000+08:00","text":"是，委員。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:05:59.856000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:06:01.857000+08:00","text":"最近有沒有還？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳董事長明昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:06:01.857000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:06:07.040000+08:00","text":"最近我們有透過相關的法律程序，但是查不到他的錢。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:06:07.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:06:07.960000+08:00","text":"查不到他的錢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:06:08.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:06:08.320000+08:00","text":"奇怪啊！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:06:08.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:06:09.421000+08:00","text":"你們有沒有去追蹤？有。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:06:09.421000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:06:12.462000+08:00","text":"他現在出入都坐BMW，你們知不知道？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:06:13.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:06:14.844000+08:00","text":"大7系列的BMW，你知道嗎？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"吳董事長明昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:06:19.335000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:06:24.438000+08:00","text":"我們去年12月9日有再跟法院聲請執行。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:06:25.738000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:06:26.078000+08:00","text":"然後呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳董事長明昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:06:27.039000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:06:34.603000+08:00","text":"因為在法院的程序下，他沒有錢、沒有存款，所以我們也拿不到錢。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:06:34.603000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:06:35.723000+08:00","text":"沒有錢、沒有存款就算了？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"吳董事長明昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:06:37+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:06:38.342000+08:00","text":"我們有透過法律的程序……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:06:38.942000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:06:45.990000+08:00","text":"什麼程序講清楚，透過強制執行法第幾條的什麼程序、幹了什麼事情，講清楚啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳董事長明昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:06:46.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:07:28.282000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，去年12月9日我們向法院遞狀聲請再強制執行，依強制執行法第十九條規定聲請查調債務人吳乃仁等四人之財產狀況，向中華民國人壽保險商業同業公會、中華郵政、臺灣集中保管結算所股份有限公司及勞動部勞工保險局查詢，以及請求法院依強制執行法第二十條規定，定期間命吳乃仁等四人即時報告財產狀況，以利強制執行，以上。","quality":0.782},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:07:28.602000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:07:29.943000+08:00","text":"好，吳乃仁有沒有報告財產狀況？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"吳董事長明昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:07:29.943000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T12:07:34.628000+08:00","text":"他還沒有……","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:07:34.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:07:43.196000+08:00","text":"你依照強制執行第二十條規定跟法院聲請，要求債務人報告他的財產狀況，法院有沒有命吳乃仁報告財產狀況？","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"吳董事長明昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:07:43.196000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:07:43.656000+08:00","text":"還沒有通知。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:07:44.917000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:07:45.598000+08:00","text":"為什麼還沒有通知？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳董事長明昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:07:45.598000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T12:07:50.085000+08:00","text":"這是法院……","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:07:50.085000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:07:51.566000+08:00","text":"這就是要你們台糖去追的嘛！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"吳董事長明昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:07:52.426000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:07:53.566000+08:00","text":"對，我們會繼續跟……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:07:53.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:08:03.910000+08:00","text":"人民很憤怒、納稅人很憤怒，但所有的權利都在你們台糖手上，因為只有你們是適格的債權人，大家都在看！","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:08:05.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:08:15.866000+08:00","text":"說吳乃仁沒有錢，但進出坐BMW大7系列，晚上去海峽會吃高檔料理，你有去過海峽會嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"吳董事長明昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:08:15.866000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:08:16.086000+08:00","text":"我沒有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:08:16.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:08:16.907000+08:00","text":"你沒有去過？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳董事長明昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:08:16.907000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:08:17.727000+08:00","text":"我不知道。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:08:17.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:08:22.111000+08:00","text":"你是董事長，你的檔次去海峽會應該剛好，很熟啦！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:08:22.652000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:08:35.681000+08:00","text":"政商關係很好的店，出入都是立法委員、達官貴族，那很貴的！","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"吳董事長明昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:08:35.681000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T12:08:37.962000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我是南部的鄉下小孩，我沒有去過那個地方。很好！","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:08:37.962000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:08:38.902000+08:00","text":"保持你的本性。是。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:08:40.183000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:08:42.504000+08:00","text":"保持你的本性，我給你鼓勵。謝謝。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:08:43.684000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:08:44.184000+08:00","text":"我為什麼提這個？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:08:45.665000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:08:46.545000+08:00","text":"納稅人看不下去嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:08:47.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:09:01.661000+08:00","text":"坐BMW、晚上吃高檔料理，旁邊還有辣妹作陪，這樣的人沒有錢賠國家，是台糖怠惰還是臺北地方法院執行處放水？","quality":0.809},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:09:03.221000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:09:11.903000+08:00","text":"依照強制執行法第二十條規定，命債務人報告財產狀況，沒有據實報告的法律效果是什麼，董事長知不知道？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"吳董事長明昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:09:13.744000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:09:15.464000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這個我不太清楚，但是……","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:09:15.724000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:09:29.677000+08:00","text":"沒關係，我跟你講，依法管收，臺灣是法治國家，強制執行法怎麼規定，白紙黑字寫得非常清楚，臺灣還有沒有公平正義？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:09:30.718000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:09:42.322000+08:00","text":"有權有勢的人判刑確定，只要總統出來掛保證，有沒有積極追討，錢不用還國家喔？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:09:42.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:09:47.143000+08:00","text":"還是連臺北地方法院民事執行處的法官都在放水，全民都在看。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:09:50.825000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:10:06.070000+08:00","text":"請台糖適時公布你們追討的狀況，你們給臺北地方法院的聲請函，臺北地方法院到目前為止都沒回復，是嗎？","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:10:06.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:10:28.281000+08:00","text":"我這樣講好了，簡單來講，你們有沒有盡責做到你們的工作，我要一個最基本的資料，你們強制執行的聲請狀，以及法院回應你們強制執行聲請狀的裁定，書面都給我，可以嗎？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"吳董事長明昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:10:28.281000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T12:10:29.281000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員的指教。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:10:28.281000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:10:40.129000+08:00","text":"書面都給我，這樣我才知道怎麼追究責任，不要你一個新的董事長明明很努力、很打拚，是臺北地院的錯，我當然去追嘛！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:10:41.471000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:10:42.192000+08:00","text":"這樣可以嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳董事長明昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:10:42.192000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:10:47.303000+08:00","text":"好，我回去會請我們的法務跟我們的律師把這件事情……","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:10:47.463000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:10:47.483000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳董事長明昌","start":"2025-01-08T12:10:47.483000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:10:47.503000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-08T12:10:48.003000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T12:10:52.003000+08:00","text":"請何欣純、何欣純，何欣純委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-08T12:10:52.303000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T12:10:56.303000+08:00","text":"請羅智強、羅智強，羅智強委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-08T12:10:56.603000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T12:11:00.603000+08:00","text":"請鍾佳濱、鍾佳濱，鍾佳濱委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-08T12:11:00.903000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T12:11:03.188714+08:00","text":"請蔡易餘委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}