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下一步目前給廠商撥了多少錢"},{"start":284.468,"end":312.209,"text":"目前給廠商的金額不多我們目前正在辦理結算那已經通知承包商是承運公司不是履歷公司是是是所謂給廠商的錢不多是多少這個帳等一下我查一下馬上跟你回報好什麼時候要回來這個要經過這個法定的結算程序那這個部分結算完了以後我們會該給的會給但是不該給的我們一毛錢都不會給什麼事都沒有做出來什麼叫做該給的該給他什麼"},{"start":314.721,"end":341.549,"text":"延宕了一年多一事無成還有該給的喔這個要按照合約的規定來辦理跟採購法的規定來辦理沒有關係啊你們按照合約按照採購法你們認為什麼該給什麼要追回來什麼時候追回來給我一個清楚的書面報告好不好因為在這邊口頭講的啦我老實講很空泛啦不夠特定也不夠具體"},{"start":342.864,"end":368.889,"text":"白紙黑字給我答案這件事情我一定追到底我一定追到底這件事情不能就這樣算否則這個國家重大的公共工程建設根本就不是靠能力也不是靠專業是靠政商關係是看到後面政治上面的八股夠不夠強哪有這回事的我要說一次喔"},{"start":370.031,"end":384.541,"text":"不是解約就算囉檢討就責後面錢要回來的部分後面錢要回來的部分請交通部大力的督促淘氣公司這件事情要做完整可以嗎沒有問題好"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T11:49:38.479000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T11:49:42.582000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請次長，以及我們桃機公司董事長。","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-08T11:49:43.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T11:49:48.406000+08:00","text":"好，陳次長、楊董事長。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2025-01-08T11:49:48.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T11:49:48.586000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T11:49:58.672000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T11:50:48.949000+08:00","text":"這個事情我追蹤了很久，我們國家要推動自駕車，政策方向上我是高度肯認，但問題是在推動自駕車的過程，從中央政府到地方政府撒了大把銀子，搞了一個詐騙的廠商來搞，我公開點名過很多次，就是「理立」，弄一個詐騙的廠商來搞，搞到從政府這邊拿了一堆錢，卻一事無成，最新的受害人是桃機三航廈，我質詢過很多次，我確認一下，現在桃機三航廈的旅客運輸系統工程，桃機公司是不是解約了？","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"楊董事長偉甫","start":"2025-01-08T11:50:48.969000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T11:50:49.329000+08:00","text":"已經在12月19號正式解約，通知的程序……","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T11:50:49.329000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T11:50:49.930000+08:00","text":"12月19號解約，現在問題來了，解約是一回事，但當初是怎麼審核的？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T11:51:07.741000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T11:51:08.181000+08:00","text":"浪費了時間，誰要負責任？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T11:51:08.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T11:51:11.124000+08:00","text":"一年多以前，先給這個爛廠商，然後搞不下去，被抓包了，匆匆解約，這個事情交通部要不要追究責任？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T11:51:29.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T11:51:36.612000+08:00","text":"還是交通部覺得沒關係、算了，被抓到了，現在解約就OK了？來！","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T11:51:36.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T11:51:39.675000+08:00","text":"交通部，表達政策立場，要不要追究責任？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2025-01-08T11:51:40.736000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T11:51:48.683000+08:00","text":"我跟委員說明，這個標案的最終結果，我們會請桃機公司做相關檢討。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T11:51:48.963000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T11:51:49.384000+08:00","text":"檢討要多久？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2025-01-08T11:51:51.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T11:51:52.767000+08:00","text":"是不是就請桃機……","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T11:51:53.367000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T11:51:53.668000+08:00","text":"檢討要多久？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T11:51:54.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T11:51:55.589000+08:00","text":"交通部要有立場啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2025-01-08T11:51:59.479000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T11:52:03.160000+08:00","text":"我們會儘速請桃機公司做相關檢討。「儘速」？","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T11:52:03.480000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T11:52:04.740000+08:00","text":"對不起，形容詞我聽不懂啦！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T11:52:06.521000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T11:52:07.101000+08:00","text":"什麼叫「儘速」？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T11:52:11.962000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T11:52:13.842000+08:00","text":"兩個禮拜夠不夠？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2025-01-08T11:52:13.842000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T11:52:15.302000+08:00","text":"委員，我們在一個月內請他們提出檢討，好不好？","quality":0.579},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T11:52:15.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T11:52:27.525000+08:00","text":"好，一個月內，下會期我一定會持續追，而且這件事情我會反映在預算的凍結案上，絕對讓交通部很有感。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T11:52:30.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T11:52:50.680000+08:00","text":"臺灣什麼時候這麼重要的事情，可以因為政商關係良好，就找一個爛廠商，連桃機都給它做，搞了半天，發現搞不出來，沒有辦法了，才解約。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T11:52:50.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T11:53:12.291000+08:00","text":"納稅人要看的不是只有檢討，一個月內的檢討報告，究責名單一併交出來，否則就在調查報告寫清楚，經過交通部全盤考慮，沒有任何人需要為這件事情負責任！","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T11:53:14.031000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T11:53:17.932000+08:00","text":"有勇氣，就白紙黑字把這句話寫出來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2025-01-08T11:53:17.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T11:53:31.879000+08:00","text":"第二件事情，解約以前，林佳龍跑去找標案的兩個事主，一個叫吳定發，一個叫李佳儒，連廖紫岑都被找出來，找來「喬」事情，交通部有沒有掌握？","quality":0.911},{"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