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地不好找所以說廠商就會有一些亂象產生就像我這頭影片顯示的"},{"start":318.271,"end":341.777,"text":"左邊那張可能沒有看到人行道右邊這一張你很明顯的看到最右邊的那台車它車殼比較大了越往左邊越來越小到第二台車的時候其實車子要停到最後面的時候它的車頭就已經到我們的人行道了如果說在更左邊的這一格它的車一定就是會站到我們人行道影響到我們行人通行的空間那針對這樣子的一個問題我們目前經濟部我們確定快充"},{"start":342.999,"end":359.728,"text":"業者的主管機關會是是不是經濟部以及他有沒有適用的一個法規去給他做一些相關的限制跟委員報告一下那個經濟部管的部分就是說那個快充站他有一些用電設備他必須要符合用戶用電設備裝置規則"},{"start":361.38,"end":377.935,"text":"那至於說那個地方因為現在的位置大部分都是停車空間去設的啦對那所以這個規範可能還是因為道路安全部分可能還是交通部這個可能要請教交通部的部分好沒關係那電力安全部分我們經營部會處理好下一張沒關係下一張你剛剛講的就是這個"},{"start":379.036,"end":395.009,"text":"目前充電有兩個管道就是一般來說會設置在兩個地方一個是合法的停車場那合法的停車場裡面自然就有停車場法去規範這部分就沒有問題了另外一個就是非合法的停車場還是可以設充電樁難道不行嗎?可不可以?沒有在停車場內可以設快充設備嗎?有沒有一個單位會說不行?"},{"start":404.408,"end":415.762,"text":"我跟委員報告這個合法停車因為這個現在來講合法非法這個本來就是依照停車場法我不是說非法我是說不是在合法的停車場內我不是說它是非法停車場"},{"start":418.967,"end":442.888,"text":"這兩個不一樣就是停車場裡頭當然充電樁的設置我們因為有停車場法的相關規定我們只是去規範它一定的比例所以它的空間什麼的都符合我們的規範它不會影響到包括出入口等等不會影響到交通裡面的車格規範有一定的長寬的配置它要去設置的時候但是當它這一站不是設在我們合法的停車場裡面的時候"},{"start":444.709,"end":464.138,"text":"就沒有任何一個法可以管到他啦就像我剛剛講的他設了之後他的車子會停到人行道上啊我包括左邊這一張他其實是人行道我包括進去我一定就會在人行道上面行車嘛我跟委員報告這分很多地方啊充電樁的設置你看像在公寓大廈裡頭也會有那你這裡在講到說譬如說在這一個空地裡頭要去設置當然設置的時候他就有相關的一個規範那規範是什麼"},{"start":471.842,"end":478.38,"text":"譬如說你剛才講的用地的是不是用地可以在那個用地上來設對啊 那目前有沒有任何的規定可以規範"},{"start":480.116,"end":502.709,"text":"這個可能要經濟部有沒有經濟部來做相關的規範我還是跟委員報告一下就是說現在我們用電的部分因為我們你們只管電嘛對不對那因為車子要停上去要充電他一定有經過車子可以走的地方這個就可能不是經濟部可以對所以現在就是沒人管得到嘛我們交通部只管得到合法停車場對不對經濟部只管電力"},{"start":506.912,"end":533.993,"text":"對就是跟設加油站什麼我跟委員稍微說明一下有關充電樁的主管機關這個在行政院已經綠定好相關的主管機關不是在交通部不是嘛我也認為是經濟部啊所以但是經濟部剛剛講他們只管電力嘛他們不管場域嘛這或許他們來的不是真正主管因為他每一個東西設電的時候他有相關的規範他還是要去會同去看我告訴市長就是沒有今天我才在這邊質詢啊"},{"start":535.254,"end":562.314,"text":"就是沒有不然特斯拉這種國際的企業有可能不遵守我們國家的規範在那邊亂設一通嗎所以我剛才就講因為這個也是一個長期以來我們整個行政院在推動我們基建我們鼓勵要多設充電樁但是我們一定也要確保我們設置快充站我們要有一個明確的一個設置的辦法就類似停車場法它不一定要像停車場法一樣但是必須要參考那這部分後續是不是可以請經濟部"},{"start":564.356,"end":575.166,"text":"針對快充站這樣子的一個行業他所要使用的場域去做一個比如說他的車格的限制啊規範等等的你要交通部組織還是經濟部"},{"start":579.146,"end":597.583,"text":"沒有錯我們分工的部分這個行政院現在是指定由經濟部負責但是因為充電樁的佈置的部分這個還是交通部主責所以這個部分最主要還是車子要實際可以開進去的那個不是我們經濟部主責問題是現在那邊一片空地交通部怎麼管得到那片空地"},{"start":600.353,"end":618.622,"text":"我報告一下其實委員所指的部分就是說因應這個電動化未來會有商業營業用的充電站區這樣子的設置這個充電站區的設置基本上就跟以前的加油站的設置或是未來因應清冷會有加清站的設置其實都是相同的一個道理"},{"start":618.942,"end":645.884,"text":"那這個站區的一個這個設置的部分當然如果靠入口一定會考慮到出入口就是現在我們進出加油站這個這個加油現在加油站是用導視的部分那我未來要像這種充電站的話可能就是這個車輛用排列的這個方式那這個部分的話我想經濟部留言組這邊可以待會去看是不是說針對充電站區的設置需不需要一個專責的這個規定他們可以來做一個這個考量"},{"start":646.204,"end":672.06,"text":"或許今天來的沒有辦法決定啦副組長可能沒辦法代替經濟部來決定但是就後續請交通部跟經濟部回去這個東西要解決一下我們要廣設基礎設施但是我們要確保這些基礎設施它是至少它不要影響到像剛剛講的我們人行道人行的通行的問題包括以後設置的場域你的土地管制或是說你如果說已經是在建築法管制到的一些空地等等的"},{"start":672.56,"end":689.777,"text":"他哪些地方可以設哪些地方不能設設的情況要有哪些車格的限制等等的我都希望經濟部未來有一個明確的規範不要說我們一面在推廣的時候但是卻又影響到其他的外部消費市要由我們全民行人來做承擔了好不好以上再麻煩我們的市長跟我們經濟部的長官謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:17:15+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T12:17:16.309000+08:00","text":"謝謝召委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:17:16.309000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:17:18.571000+08:00","text":"邀請陳次長、經濟部吳副署長、電力公司温總工程師。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-08T12:17:18.571000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T12:17:33.483500+08:00","text":"請陳次長、吳副署長，還有電力公司總工程師。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2025-01-08T12:17:33.483500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T12:17:48.396000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:17:48.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:17:48.636000+08:00","text":"三位好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:17:49.256000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:18:10.427000+08:00","text":"最近我的辦公室有收到民眾陳情，可能跟經濟部還有電力公司比較有關係，就是說有家庭主婦會來跟辦公室反映，說他老公最近常常晚上九點多、十點多跑出門，然後該怎麼辦？","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:18:10.427000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:18:11.387000+08:00","text":"兩位，你知道是什麼原因嗎？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:18:13.294000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:18:15.995000+08:00","text":"老公晚上九點多、十點多出門，然後過了一陣子，可能過了一個小時、兩個小時才回來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳副署長志偉","start":"2025-01-08T12:18:15.995000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T12:18:16.995000+08:00","text":"報告委員，不知道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:18:15.995000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:18:16.896000+08:00","text":"電力公司知不知道？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"温專業總工程師桓正","start":"2025-01-08T12:18:16.896000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T12:18:17.896000+08:00","text":"報告，不知道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:18:16.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:18:19.197000+08:00","text":"跟今天的主題有關係，就是電動車，現在淨零的部分就是電動車，台電是不是有針對電動車的電表有專門的時間電價？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"温專業總工程師桓正","start":"2025-01-08T12:18:41.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:18:41.770000+08:00","text":"報告，是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:18:42.671000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:18:44.373000+08:00","text":"你知道尖、離峰的電價大概是多少跟多少嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"温專業總工程師桓正","start":"2025-01-08T12:18:44.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:18:44.533000+08:00","text":"因為我不是這方面的主管……","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:18:44.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:18:44.973000+08:00","text":"離峰大概是3塊、4塊啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:18:45.033000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:18:45.554000+08:00","text":"尖峰是多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"温專業總工程師桓正","start":"2025-01-08T12:18:59.093000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:18:59.093000+08:00","text":"10塊左右。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:18:59.093000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:19:09.943000+08:00","text":"大概12塊，所以我們有很多電動車主因為充電，比如說我們去第三方快充的時候，廠商一定是推時間定價嘛！","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:19:10.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:19:13.927000+08:00","text":"也是尖峰的時候可能會收比較貴的錢，它不可能虧本嘛！","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:19:14.387000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:19:16.069000+08:00","text":"離峰的時候就推很便宜的價格。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:19:16.969000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:19:32.337000+08:00","text":"現在很多電動車車主很困擾的就是，因為廠商這樣子定價，所以常常就是必須在冬季9點過後、夏季是10點過後，才能夠用比較便宜的價格去充電。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:19:32.577000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:19:37.778000+08:00","text":"中油過去可能油價調漲的時候，隔天要漲個兩角、三角，喔！","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:19:37.919000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:19:41.100000+08:00","text":"就大排長龍了，你知道消費者的心情就是這樣子。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:19:42.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:19:53.525000+08:00","text":"對多數的電動車主來講的話，充了一次電可能就省了兩、三百塊，他當然晚點出門、晚點去充就好，為什麼要在尖峰時刻充，這也符合台電的精神。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:19:54.045000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:20:13.974000+08:00","text":"但是對於國家要推動電動車來說，它其實是一種不健康的電價，因為我們開電車要去補充能源的時候，我們當然希望越便利越好，我們不希望在這種很離峰的時段去充，這些都是電動車主會去考量的。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:20:15.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:20:43.087000+08:00","text":"後續請經濟部邀請交通部或者是電力公司，兩個單位的立場會不一樣，電力公司當然是因為有用電尖峰的問題，但交通部的立場應該是推動電動車，當這兩個之間目標不一樣的時候，那就可能會有政策不一樣的部分，可不可以請台電公司去檢討一下電動車電表價差過大的合理性，可不可以？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"温專業總工程師桓正","start":"2025-01-08T12:20:46.412000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:20:52.698000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝委員，我們回去當然會檢討，但是目前看起來就是為了解決尖離峰的一些問題……","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:20:53.299000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:20:58.604000+08:00","text":"我也不吐槽你，尖峰就是缺電嘛，你明明說沒缺電，那沒缺電為什麼要區分尖離峰？","quality":0.697},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:20:59.585000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:21:00.786000+08:00","text":"一個月你們檢討一下，好不好？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"吳副署長志偉","start":"2025-01-08T12:21:02.408000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:21:10.792000+08:00","text":"委員，我能不能講一下，其實國外的充電方式大概都是類似這樣子，為什麼？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"吳副署長志偉","start":"2025-01-08T12:21:10.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:21:44.935000+08:00","text":"因為現在的充電系統基本上會去偵測那個電池，電池run的時候有一個模式，現在其實就是因為慢充的系統比較少，所以大家都集中去快充，而慢充的系統有些工程師會去偵測那個電池的模式，比如說離峰的時候，他就會儘量去把它充飽，然後尖峰的時候他就會避開，大家也不會過度集中在某一個時候充電……","quality":0.883},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:21:46.476000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:21:52.242000+08:00","text":"家用當然可以這樣子設定，但是當家裡沒有充電樁的時候就只能去外面，那就是價格的問題，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:21:52.663000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:21:53.824000+08:00","text":"一個月內提檢討，可不可以？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"温專業總工程師桓正","start":"2025-01-08T12:21:53.824000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T12:21:56.682000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:21:56.682000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T12:21:59.540000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:21:59.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:22:13.032000+08:00","text":"我們現在討論到私人載具轉型過程中的問題，包括特斯拉以及很多第三方超充業者現在都雨後春筍的擴張，對不對？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:22:13.032000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:22:29.753000+08:00","text":"但是我們目前好像沒有針對快充站有一個很明確的規定，就像是停車場法有很明確的路外停車場設置規範，現在因為都市的地不好找，所以廠商就會有一些亂象產生。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:22:30.093000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:22:53.156000+08:00","text":"就像我這張投影片顯示的，左邊那一張可能沒有看到人行道，右邊這一張你可以很明顯的看到，最右邊那臺車的車格比較大，越往左邊越來越小；到第二臺車的時候，即使車子停到最後面，他的車頭已經碰觸到人行道了；如果是更左邊的這一格，他的車一定就會占到人行道，影響到行人通行的空間。","quality":0.876},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:22:53.876000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:23:04.303000+08:00","text":"針對這樣子的問題，我不確定快充業者的主管機關是不是經濟部以及他有沒有適用的法規去做相關限制？","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"吳副署長志偉","start":"2025-01-08T12:23:06.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:23:27.830000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告一下，經濟部管的部分是，快充站有一些用電設備必須要符合「用戶用電設備裝置規則」，至於那個地方，因為現在的位置大部分都是停車空間去設的，這個規範涉及道路安全，所以這個部分可能要請教交通部……","quality":0.888},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:23:28.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:23:28.871000+08:00","text":"好，沒關係……","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳副署長志偉","start":"2025-01-08T12:23:29.372000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:23:31.093000+08:00","text":"電力安全部分我們經濟部會處理好。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:23:31.714000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:23:32.194000+08:00","text":"沒關係，下一張。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:23:32.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:23:47.987000+08:00","text":"你剛剛講的就這一個，目前充電有兩個管道，一般來說會設置在兩個地方，一個是合法停車場，在合法停車場裡面自然就有停車場法去規範，這部分就沒有問題了；另外一個就是非合法停車場，還是可以設充電樁，難道不行嗎？","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:23:47.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:23:48.228000+08:00","text":"可不可以？","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:23:49.168000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:23:49.689000+08:00","text":"不是在停車場內可以設快充設備嗎？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:23:49.689000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:23:49.989000+08:00","text":"有沒有一個單位會說不行？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳副署長志偉","start":"2025-01-08T12:23:49.989000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T12:23:59.408000+08:00","text":"這個可能要問……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2025-01-08T12:23:59.408000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:24:06.597000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，先來講合法、非法，這個本來就是依照停車場法……","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:24:06.957000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:24:15.369000+08:00","text":"我不是說非法，我是說並非在合法停車場內，我不是說它是非法停車場，這兩個不一樣！","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2025-01-08T12:24:15.649000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:24:24.036000+08:00","text":"停車場裡頭關於充電樁的設置有停車場法的相關規定，我們只是去規範它一定的比例……","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:24:24.316000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:24:32.643000+08:00","text":"對，所以它的空間等等都要符合我們的規範嘛，包括出入口等等的不會影響到交通，裡面的車格規範都有一定的長寬配置。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2025-01-08T12:24:32.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:24:34.125000+08:00","text":"它要設置的時候，當然要會同相關單位來……","quality":0.412},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:24:34.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:24:49.473000+08:00","text":"對，但是當充電樁不是設在合法停車場裡面的時候，就沒有任何一個法可以管到它，就像我剛剛講的，它設了之後，他的車子會停到人行道上，包括左邊這一張其實是人行道，我倒車進去一定就會在人行道上面行車！","quality":0.908},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2025-01-08T12:24:49.974000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:24:56.156000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，這分很多地方，關於充電樁的設置，像在公寓大廈裡頭也會有……","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:24:56.156000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T12:24:57.156000+08:00","text":"等一下，次長，我覺得這不是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2025-01-08T12:24:56.537000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:24:59.018000+08:00","text":"一樣的東西，你這裡講到，譬如要在這一個空地裡面設置，當然設置的時候就有相關的規範，不是……","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:24:59.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:24:59.138000+08:00","text":"那規範是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2025-01-08T12:25:06.842000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:25:11.816000+08:00","text":"譬如你剛才講的，是不是可以在那個用地上來設……","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:25:11.816000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:25:13.380000+08:00","text":"對啊，目前有沒有任何的規定可以規範？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2025-01-08T12:25:15.116000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:25:18.698000+08:00","text":"這個可能要經濟部來做相關的規範。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:25:18.698000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T12:25:19.698000+08:00","text":"經濟部有沒有？","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳副署長志偉","start":"2025-01-08T12:25:18.698000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:25:23.821000+08:00","text":"我還是跟委員報告一下，現在用電的部分……","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:25:24.361000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:25:25.842000+08:00","text":"你們只管電嘛，對不對？對！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"吳副署長志偉","start":"2025-01-08T12:25:26.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:25:32.626000+08:00","text":"關於車子要停上去充電，它一定有經過車子可以走的地方，這個可能就不是經濟部可以……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:25:33.186000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:25:34.387000+08:00","text":"對，所以現在就是沒人管得到嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:25:35.488000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:25:37.149000+08:00","text":"交通部只管得到合法停車場，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2025-01-08T12:25:37.149000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-08T12:25:38.149000+08:00","text":"我跟委員簡單說明……","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:25:37.149000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:25:37.689000+08:00","text":"經濟部只管電力！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2025-01-08T12:25:41.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:25:48.257000+08:00","text":"對，就是跟設加油站……我跟委員稍微說明一下，有關充電樁的主管機關……是誰？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2025-01-08T12:25:48.357000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:25:51.619000+08:00","text":"行政院已經律定好相關的主管機關，不是在交通部。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:25:51.779000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:25:53.961000+08:00","text":"不是嘛，我也認為是經濟部啊！所以……","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:25:54.922000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:25:57.704000+08:00","text":"但是經濟部剛剛說他們只管電力，他們不管場域。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2025-01-08T12:25:58.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:26:05.631000+08:00","text":"或許他們來的不是真正主管的，因為每一個東西設定的時候有相關規範，它還是要會同去看……","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:26:05.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-08T12:26:08.973000+08:00","text":"我告訴你，次長，就是因為沒有，今天我才會在這邊質詢。是。","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2025-01-08T12:26:10.254000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-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