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會散會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-10T12:11:57.308714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-10T12:11:58.451571+08:00","text":"散會（12時12分）","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}