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8月14號以補充理由書有促請就是請法院你們要趕緊要繼續審判所以你們有提醒說這要過去啊那另外"},{"start":531.65,"end":547.654,"text":"另外台北地院有審理那個侵占公文案的這部份我再去一年12月31日也是有發案給台北地有處刑像這案件我先告這裡這筆特寫比較好用就不用鎖了阿兵會鬆一下又捲那一枚去吃涼蝦我會陪你 不用總統特寫啊就不用鎖 從前到現在都捲不好的事啊"},{"start":559.637,"end":581.75,"text":"這有一個 我不是針對鄧總統啦 就是說其他人他有這樣的案件也有可能這樣呢那個停止審判正式法院的職權 這部分應該不是我們法務部所能夠來處理的我問你比較重的 好啦來啦 你檢察官的部分啦公務人員 你在廉政署 你這班檢察長調動 我感覺"},{"start":585.834,"end":598.976,"text":"我對一向對修長的臨時款我沒意見啦但是你處理到開一個給你們標榮過 讓行政院調到標榮 本來不錯的人臨時還不夠 現在社會輿論說你調到這裡你調新的檢察長 我都沒意見我尊重你 因為你要配合你當一個護金嘛 節度你的手段跟作為"},{"start":612.674,"end":621.185,"text":"那些人怎麼會用對他們的不平等的對談,變成在你們保齡裡面,在檢測體驗裡面變成最大極數的情形"},{"start":625.891,"end":641.143,"text":"行政變成當局主席 你有考慮到這樣我想檢察長的一個調動 我想通盤的一個考量通盤的考量你補分我沒意見啦就是說你對其他這筆調動下來的人 受過行政移動 表揚 辦案這麼好這會影響到你內部的主席 你這段你有思考嗎"},{"start":648.687,"end":676.403,"text":"我會想問通盤考量這個檢查調動本來就是要通盤考量而且不是說一定要做到任期嘛這個是要做到通盤考量沒關係啦沒關係沒關係啊檢測官去弄車吃飯啊跟這個欠國家錢的人做吃飯這件事你現在怎麼樣這部分其實那個台北地檢署在第一時間的時候就有做一個分案來做一個調查了那高檢署也有做一個督導了"},{"start":677.113,"end":693.901,"text":"那我想我們就就我想這部分我想北檢應該會再做一個處理應該會做釐清事實那如果有涉及到那個不當或者是我想會做一個評鑑要給社會一個交代啦社會對你們有高度的期待啦"},{"start":699.704,"end":723.999,"text":"對於老總統也有過度的期待 打擊犯罪 誤金 請 毒 頂頂人家說最好最好 下必行案包括你的所屬所為 包括你的大娘 你是要有所為的手法領完這一個模樣和方法所以尊重你的這款 但是你要檢控內部的手氣 好不好"},{"start":726.482,"end":727.446,"text":"好 謝謝 感謝蔣議員 謝謝鄭部長 接下來有請"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:16:50.855000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:16:51.436000+08:00","text":"主席，我請部長。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-13T10:16:53.877000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:16:54.157000+08:00","text":"有請鄭部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T10:16:54.157000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T10:16:55.157000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:16:54.397000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:16:59.080000+08:00","text":"部長早，辛苦了。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:16:59.821000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:17:12.916000+08:00","text":"今天我們召委排這個專題報告，本來我今天要請假，星期五兩點多看到的議題還不是今天這個，四點多傳來就變成「妨害司法公正罪之現行犯」。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:17:14.257000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:17:16.137000+08:00","text":"部長，我請教你，我們國家現在有處罰司法關說的行為嗎？","quality":0.609},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T10:17:34.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:17:37.185000+08:00","text":"目前是沒有，現在還在立法中。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:17:37.985000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:18:04.488000+08:00","text":"這麼多年了，因為之前……他現在人又不在，我就不太想說，柯總召有一個比較有名的刑事案件，在高院判無罪之後，打電話請法務部那時候的勇伯部長說：不要上訴。","quality":0.662},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:18:07.429000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:18:14.131000+08:00","text":"一般在你的手上，我相信是不可能會發生這種事情，但是當時調查出來有這個事實。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:18:14.391000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:18:21.293000+08:00","text":"不要上訴之後，這樣的行為是不是就界定為司法關說？","quality":0.682},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T10:18:24.072000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:18:25.133000+08:00","text":"以現在的一個……","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:18:26.013000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:18:27.934000+08:00","text":"因為沒有司法關說罪……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T10:18:28.794000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:18:29.074000+08:00","text":"現在沒有，目前沒有。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:18:29.775000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:18:40.479000+08:00","text":"他當時這個行為……就像我現在打電話跟你說：部長，哪一個案件判完了，你怎麼不叫檢察官不要上訴？","quality":0.775},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:18:40.479000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:18:46.041000+08:00","text":"這樣我是不是就叫做司法關說？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T10:18:46.041000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:18:48.902000+08:00","text":"這個要個案認定，但委員你不會打電話給我談這種事情。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:18:51.281000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:18:55.785000+08:00","text":"因為我們君子知道自重，君子要避嫌，我知道。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:18:56.826000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:19:03.191000+08:00","text":"所以當時我說的……也難怪其他委員看到這個議題都會想到總召嘛。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:19:05.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:19:20.518000+08:00","text":"上禮拜才送妨害司法公正罪的條文，法務部自己拿出來的版本，你們的版本，針對柯總召的那個情形，因為這和我後面要問你的問題相關，這是不是界定為關說？","quality":0.554},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T10:19:31.948000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:19:34.831000+08:00","text":"這個個案的內容，實際上我並不清楚……","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:19:34.831000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T10:19:36.712000+08:00","text":"不過這是法規的適用……","quality":0.111},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T10:19:36.712000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:19:48.462000+08:00","text":"這要看有沒有合乎司法關說罪裡面的一些要件，我想這部分還要看個案來做認定。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:19:49.383000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:19:52.105000+08:00","text":"因為這關係到法規的適用性，對不對？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:19:52.105000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:20:03.999000+08:00","text":"過去這個案件很清楚，因為我們就是沒有司法關說罪嘛，所以你們寫這個關說的條文已經幾年了？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:20:03.999000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T10:20:04.999000+08:00","text":"從2019年，對不對？","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:20:04.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:20:06.381000+08:00","text":"108年研議到現在，一直沒送來立法院啊！","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:20:06.501000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:20:09.062000+08:00","text":"這樣要針對這個司法關說，到今天還沒有罪可以罰就對了？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:20:09.802000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:20:10.963000+08:00","text":"你也在法務部做九個月了……","quality":0.364},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T10:20:10.963000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T10:20:29.347000+08:00","text":"八個月。","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:20:29.347000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:20:33.048000+08:00","text":"但是你過去也都在法務部裡面，從108年到現在，為什麼這個案子沒辦法送進立法院？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:20:33.469000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:20:35.089000+08:00","text":"再來說……當然沒有正面指控，但是影射1月11日的活動變成司法關說，這樣有公平嗎？","quality":0.406},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:20:59.002000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:20:59.685000+08:00","text":"你們什麼時候要送進來？","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:20:59.685000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:20:59.965000+08:00","text":"你們有要送進來嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:20:59.965000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:21:00.287000+08:00","text":"什麼時候可以送進來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T10:21:07.643000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:21:23.807000+08:00","text":"事實上行政院有做了11次的審查會議，審竣，這部分還要再會銜司法院，再來提院會，由院會來做審議。","quality":0.675},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:21:23.947000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:21:33.380000+08:00","text":"既然大家對司法關說這麼厭惡，應該要趕快送進來審查討論，你覺得怎麼樣？","quality":0.484},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T10:21:35.041000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:21:37.661000+08:00","text":"本部的立場是這樣，我們希望完成法制作業。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:21:37.661000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:21:41.022000+08:00","text":"不要再換部長了，在你的任內送進來，這樣好不好？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T10:21:42.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:21:44.443000+08:00","text":"我們全力來推動。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:21:44.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:21:46.183000+08:00","text":"檢察官在偵辦八八會館時，那時候有對林先生做限制出境出海還是科技監控？","quality":0.719},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T10:21:46.783000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:21:49.284000+08:00","text":"偵查中交保的沒有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:22:00.777000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:22:06.501000+08:00","text":"所以沒有嘛，洗錢的金額這麼大，結果只有讓他交保……","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T10:22:06.501000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T10:22:08.823000+08:00","text":"他這個……","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:22:08.823000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:22:10.384000+08:00","text":"交保之後，法院開庭他也沒來啊，結果你們檢察官就這樣「目睭金金人傷重」，他人就跑掉了。","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T10:22:22.988000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:22:34.436000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這個是法院審理中的，有沒有要羈押或者是做一些科控還是其他處分是法院的職權，這個是檢察官……","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:22:34.896000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:22:36.277000+08:00","text":"沒有啦，現階段是法院的職權，但當時在你們法務部，在檢察官的手上就被交保了嘛。","quality":0.529},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:22:36.337000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:22:53.192000+08:00","text":"我的意思是，這是重大案件，金額這麼大，你們那時候就讓他被交保了，你當部長也是要嚴肅處理，結果你……","quality":0.524},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T10:22:54.352000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:23:00.515000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，其實這一件起訴的事實，金額是129萬……","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:23:00.515000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T10:23:01.515000+08:00","text":"沒關係啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T10:23:00.855000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:23:06.818000+08:00","text":"犯罪所得是30萬，那有沒有羈押的必要是另外可以再斟酌的。","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:23:06.818000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:23:08.499000+08:00","text":"他的案件很多啊！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T10:23:10.061000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:23:16.186000+08:00","text":"林先生起訴的這部分應該只有幫助洗錢跟幫助詐欺。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:23:16.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:23:20.689000+08:00","text":"他們牽連的……你們不能這樣，像今天你們在辦在野黨還是辦誰，如果辦一個縣長，說他的案件旁邊的人怎麼樣，是幫助犯還是什麼罪的，整個都綁在一起啊！","quality":0.452},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:23:30.271000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:23:42.274000+08:00","text":"尤其媒體對你的形象稍微有受損，你說歡迎他來投案，那個積極度不夠，會讓人覺得誤會，別人會誤會嘛！","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T10:23:43.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:23:47.415000+08:00","text":"這部分是不是在審理中，我想這不是檢察官的職權。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T10:23:47.875000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:24:01.946000+08:00","text":"另外，事實上檢察官在法院審理中也有請法院依法令來做強制處分的處理。","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:24:02.247000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:24:03.588000+08:00","text":"加強強制處分就對了。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T10:24:04.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:24:07.974000+08:00","text":"這部分我們只有一個建議權嘛，在這裡只有一個建議權……","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:24:07.974000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T10:24:08.974000+08:00","text":"我請教你……","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T10:24:08.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:24:11.138000+08:00","text":"我們也沒有建議的權利，我們就只是一個促請。","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:24:14.133000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:24:23.275000+08:00","text":"陳前總統最近還有一個案件超過追訴權了，你是否記得在討論廢除死刑議題的時候，我在這裡就一直跟你說，包括這些死刑犯萬一發生什麼事？","quality":0.576},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:24:23.295000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:24:35.900000+08:00","text":"現在你看，一個事實發生了，陳前總統的追訴權超過時效，法院判他免訴的這個案件，你知道嗎？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T10:24:36+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:24:38.921000+08:00","text":"這部分媒體有做一個報導……","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:24:38.921000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:24:39.582000+08:00","text":"你知道就對了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T10:24:40.262000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:24:44.484000+08:00","text":"有關這部分，事實上這個判決還沒有收到嘛。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:24:45.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:24:56.935000+08:00","text":"已經判這樣了，當初停止訴訟的時候，他也出來參加集會、也替他女兒去辯護等等，比我們正常人還要正常，那時候你們檢察官有沒有出來主張要審理？","quality":0.672},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:25:06.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:25:06.122000+08:00","text":"向法院主張要繼續審理啊！","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T10:25:06.962000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:25:26.608000+08:00","text":"這個有，跟委員報告，像二次金改案，還有高院審理二次金改案的國泰併世華跟教唆偽證，這部分高檢署在113年8月14號有透過補充理由書促請法院要趕緊繼續審判。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:25:26.688000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:25:27.369000+08:00","text":"所以你們有提醒法院說這個要過期了？","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T10:25:27.369000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T10:25:31.650000+08:00","text":"有、有、有，這個有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T10:25:31.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:25:39.372000+08:00","text":"另外，臺北地院審理侵占公文案的部分，在去年12月30號也是有發函給臺北地院促請……","quality":0.788},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:25:39.372000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T10:25:43.293000+08:00","text":"我們這樣說啦，像這個案件發展到現在的情況，等於不用特赦，這比特赦還好用，就免訴了嘛！","quality":0.27},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:25:43.293000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:25:47.614000+08:00","text":"阿扁爽到那一晚還跑去吃龍蝦，我沒騙你，不用總統特赦，就免訴了，超過追訴期到最後就變成沒事了！","quality":0.39},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:26:00.638000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:26:05.861000+08:00","text":"我不是針對陳前總統啦，而是說其他人的案件以後也有可能會這樣耶！","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T10:26:06.921000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:26:13.465000+08:00","text":"停止審判是法院的職權，這部分應該不是我們法務部所能夠來處理的，那是審判……","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:26:14.046000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:27:01.165000+08:00","text":"我要問你比較重要的，有關你們檢察官、廉政署的部分啦，有關這次檢察長的調動，我一向對首長的人事權是沒意見啦，但是你這次把你們曾經表揚過、甚至是行政院長表揚過辦案成績不錯的人，在他的任期還沒到就把他換下來，現在社會輿論都在質疑你們調動他的作法，你調動這些新任的檢察長我都沒意見，我尊重你，因為他們要配合你打擊黑金嘛，你有你的手段跟作為，但怎麼會突然爆出對這些人有不平等對待，進而在你們部裡面、在檢察體系裡面變成一種打擊士氣的情形？","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:27:06.331000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:27:09.354000+08:00","text":"形成打擊士氣的情況，你有考慮到這一點嗎？","quality":0.389},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T10:27:09.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:27:14.478000+08:00","text":"我想檢察長的調動是有通盤的考量。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:27:14.778000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:27:15.578000+08:00","text":"那部分我沒意見啦！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:27:16.639000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:27:21.143000+08:00","text":"但是對於其他這些被調動下來的人，包括曾受行政院長表揚過辦案優良的人，這會影響到你們內部的士氣，這一點你有思考過嗎？","quality":0.623},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T10:27:28.687000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:27:36.211000+08:00","text":"我想我會通盤考量，檢察長調動本來就是要通盤考量，而且不是說一定要做到任期滿，這個是要通盤考量做處理的。","quality":0.809},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:27:36.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:27:36.592000+08:00","text":"好啦，沒關係啦！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:27:38.353000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:27:46.277000+08:00","text":"另外，檢察官去給人家請吃飯、跟欠國家錢的人一起吃飯，這件事情現在辦得怎樣了？","quality":0.618},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T10:27:46.277000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:28:11.240000+08:00","text":"這部分其實臺北地檢署在第一時間就有分案來做調查了，高檢署也有做督導，我想北檢在處理後應該會釐清事實，如果有涉及到不當或者是怎麼樣，我想會做一個評鑑。","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:28:11.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:28:11.900000+08:00","text":"部長，要給社會一個交代啦！","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T10:28:11.900000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T10:28:12.900000+08:00","text":"這個我想我們會做一個調查結果。","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-01-13T10:28:12.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:28:43.979000+08:00","text":"社會對你們有高度的期待啦，對賴總統也有高度的期待啦，希望你們打擊犯罪、打擊黑金、槍、毒等等，人家說「上有所好，下必甚焉」啦，包括你的所作所為、包括你的帶領，你是要給所有司法人員做一個榜樣跟模範，所以我尊重你的職權，但是你也要兼顧內部的士氣，好不好？","quality":0.639},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-13T10:28:46.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:28:47.325000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，感謝謝委員，謝謝鄭部長。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-13T10:28:47.325000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:28:47.446000+08:00","text":"接下來請吳召委宗憲發言。","quality":0.364}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}