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所以你就他們的提案有些要增加的是原鄉的部分有些會牽涉到以外的其他地方你都會把大家受到的影響程度列出來等一下要審查的話基本上都有"},{"start":279.825,"end":286.967,"text":"但是這個數額地方政府都知道了嗎都知道那他們的意見呢其實他們當時開會之後大家都說可以盡量配合盡量考慮到原鄉的需求盡量從寬來給予那等一下應該有名單喔不過什麼對不起不過就是說到目前為止看他們因為現在預算他們預算都審完了嘛那未來他們要怎麼編"},{"start":308.764,"end":333.033,"text":"這可能要雙方面再去協商所以意思是說要怎麼編根本也還沒有討論過就對了所以現在這樣通下去到底通過的話如果會造成什麼影響你也沒有辦法確認因為大家只是一個意向表達為原住民爭取權利每個人都希望為原鄉爭取權利當然每個人都說好啊讚啊但是最後怎麼編編了以後會有什麼影響你等一下如果沒有報告那請問我們到底要怎麼"},{"start":333.473,"end":337.035,"text":"要怎麼拿出來審要不要通過這樣的文字這都是很大的問題嘛所以今天在這裡的話我是其實我也是主張啦應該是這些剛剛說的12個版本六大議題都應該在有細部的討論那我們等一下會遵循主席牌的議程進入討論也可以但我希望每一項題目都應該要有充分的討論及資料確定它是可行的法案之後"},{"start":363.03,"end":369.989,"text":"我們再來做出最後委員會的決定我希望大家 各位委員同仁可以朝這個方向希望得到大家支持 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:09:20.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:09:20.240000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:09:20.641000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:09:24.342000+08:00","text":"我們請內政部劉部長，還有財政部阮次長。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-13T10:09:25.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:09:27.863000+08:00","text":"請劉部長、請財政部阮次長。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T10:09:27.863000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T10:09:29.124000+08:00","text":"蘇委員早。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:09:29.124000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:09:41.449000+08:00","text":"部長，我先跟您就教一下，因為剛剛您的報告非常地複雜，因為要討論事情實在太多了，所以我跟你確認一下，最基本的今天一共討論幾個案？12個嘛！","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:09:41.469000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:09:41.569000+08:00","text":"沒有問題。12個案。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:09:41.569000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:09:42.029000+08:00","text":"以12個案來講，你認為以主題來區分，今天大致可以分成什麼？","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:09:42.029000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T10:09:48.150000+08:00","text":"簡單講就好了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T10:09:48.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:09:54.795000+08:00","text":"我想第一個，在地方制度上面大致上分兩個，一個就是人事上面，譬如說副市長、副縣長……","quality":0.743},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:09:54.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:09:55.155000+08:00","text":"人事嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:09:55.235000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:09:55.555000+08:00","text":"一個要討論人事，副市長、副縣長。對、對！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T10:09:55.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:09:55.915000+08:00","text":"另外一個就是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:09:55.935000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:09:56.135000+08:00","text":"甚至什麼金門要變成全部都是政務官……對、對！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T10:09:56.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:09:57.136000+08:00","text":"還有一個，剛剛你講的人事的部分……","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:09:57.136000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T10:09:58.136000+08:00","text":"這是一個，人事，然後還有？","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T10:09:57.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:09:57.957000+08:00","text":"再來就是財源的問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:09:57.957000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:09:58.037000+08:00","text":"財源的部分。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T10:09:58.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:10:14.867000+08:00","text":"大部分都集中在偏鄉，就是山地原住民的部分，他們是否可以因此而增加一些財源。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:10:15.867000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:10:21.268000+08:00","text":"好，所以偏鄉、原民鄉，甚至是離島部分，要有基本法的法源。對。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:10:21.929000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:10:23.469000+08:00","text":"所以一個是人事，一個是財源。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:10:24.669000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:10:25.029000+08:00","text":"另外呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:10:25.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:10:26.230000+08:00","text":"好像還不止吧！","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:10:26.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:10:29.591000+08:00","text":"還有鄉鎮市民代表的席次。對！","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T10:10:29.591000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:10:38.553000+08:00","text":"鄉鎮市民代表的席次，這部分也是我們剛剛所提到，如果當人口數下降的時候，它一直往下修正啦，但是我們去問了……","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:10:38.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:10:40.514000+08:00","text":"對，所以還有人數嘛，對不對？對。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:10:41.034000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:10:43.035000+08:00","text":"鄉鎮民代表的席次，甚至是現在因為性別平等的關係，是不是應該還要把性別平等保障的部分放進來。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:10:43.055000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:10:43.355000+08:00","text":"可是我看還不止啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:10:43.455000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:11:11.966000+08:00","text":"應該是還有我們跟村里長之間，如果停職，一律停薪且復職不補發，就是停、復職他的津貼要怎麼發送，還有包括因公傷亡撫卹金及村里長的權利義務也要討論，最後還有一個是改制直轄市還要經過地方議會同意，所以其實看起來能夠抓出來的至少就有6大類了嘛！","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T10:11:12.326000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:11:12.566000+08:00","text":"對，重點非常的多。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:11:12.586000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:11:13.987000+08:00","text":"好，您剛剛有說在12個版本裡面，其實在直轄市和原鄉的版本之間可能就有扞格，是這樣嗎？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T10:11:30.934000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:11:31.915000+08:00","text":"不是，我想不是扞格。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T10:11:32.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:11:50.387000+08:00","text":"我的意思就是說，如果我們有好的人才或是優秀的文官，希望能夠到全臺灣各地，包括到山地原住民的區域都可以去服務，這是非常地好，但是如果我們修正下去，第一個，你看偏鄉的人，還包括像金門希望所有的一級主管都改成政務官。對！","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T10:11:52.048000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:11:58.993000+08:00","text":"這樣會影響到地方的公務人員，他們是不想留在原來的偏鄉，或是原來比較離島的地方。","quality":0.694},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:11:58.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:12:02.316000+08:00","text":"因為全國的公務人員總額是有一定的限制。是。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:12:03.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:12:19.151000+08:00","text":"政務官的待遇理論上比較好，我們現在先不從他要負的權責來說，理論上政務官的待遇比較好，所以會不會有哪個地方，因為政務官特別多，產生了磁吸效應，把原來偏鄉的人才更吸走了，讓偏鄉更難找人，你的意思是這樣吧？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:12:19.331000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:12:20.392000+08:00","text":"所以應該是全國一起規劃。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T10:12:21.132000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:12:22.293000+08:00","text":"是，也會影響到文官。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T10:12:22.534000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:12:27.759000+08:00","text":"譬如說，我如果在偏鄉地區，本來就可以由文官擔任一級主管。了解。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:12:27.759000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T10:12:28.799000+08:00","text":"好，所以……","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T10:12:28.799000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:12:31.261000+08:00","text":"現在一級主管全部是政務官，就會產生很多的扞格。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:12:31.381000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:12:46.551000+08:00","text":"所以理論上提出這一些版本，又要直轄市加政務副市長，然後離島要加政務官的人，不曉得跟原民的委員之間有沒有討論過彼此的狀況如何，這個我們也不清楚啦！","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:12:46.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:12:50.774000+08:00","text":"所以這是內政部從人事的部分這樣講，那財政部呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:12:51.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:13:02.461000+08:00","text":"我剛剛也有聽到，你在這麼多的版本裡面，聽起來剛剛這一些財政的部分，看起來也都需要跟地方政府討論，對不對？","quality":0.702},{"speaker":"阮次長清華","start":"2025-01-13T10:13:02.461000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T10:13:03.461000+08:00","text":"對，是的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:13:02.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:13:18.367000+08:00","text":"我想請問一下，從提案到今天，雖然各位委員提案可能也有一點時間了，一個月、兩個月之類的或不等，我看提案時間不等，那請問一下，這些版本都有地方政府的意見，等一下我們要審查法案的時候可以提出來嗎？","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:13:18.367000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:13:21.029000+08:00","text":"有試算表嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"阮次長清華","start":"2025-01-13T10:13:21.029000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:13:22.189000+08:00","text":"有試算表，就是說目前……","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:13:22.189000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:13:22.549000+08:00","text":"就是你們財政部自己的試算表？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"阮次長清華","start":"2025-01-13T10:13:22.569000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:13:23.169000+08:00","text":"所謂的試算表，就是目前他們分配的狀況，這些……","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:13:26.951000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:13:28.552000+08:00","text":"目前分配狀況？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:13:28.552000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:13:32.934000+08:00","text":"直轄市到原鄉，所有的版本會涉及的部分通通都有版本？","quality":1},{"speaker":"阮次長清華","start":"2025-01-13T10:13:33.234000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:13:37.797000+08:00","text":"不是用版本，而是目前他們分配的狀況。對！","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:13:37.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:13:50.104000+08:00","text":"所以你就他們的提案，有些要增加的是原鄉的部分，有些會牽涉到以外的其他地方，等一下要審查的話，你都會把大家受到影響的程度列出來？","quality":0.845},{"speaker":"阮次長清華","start":"2025-01-13T10:13:51.624000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:13:52.225000+08:00","text":"其實基本上都有。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:13:52.825000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:13:56.106000+08:00","text":"好，但是這個數額地方政府都知道了嗎？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"阮次長清華","start":"2025-01-13T10:13:56.106000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T10:13:57.106000+08:00","text":"都知道，因為我們有和他們開會……","quality":0.231},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:13:56.366000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:13:56.526000+08:00","text":"那他們的意見呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"阮次長清華","start":"2025-01-13T10:13:56.606000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:13:57.206000+08:00","text":"其實他們當時開會的時候，大家都說可以儘量配合……","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2025-01-13T10:13:57.206000+08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