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所以部長我真的認為你們應該有這個心然後去把它做一個整體的規劃甚至我一直在強調的台灣的新增區域化其實是到該檢討的時候了真的是該檢討了不能以現行的制度去做這個要長治久安真的要檢討我真的很期望部長拿出你的魄力別人不敢做的我們給他做讓奠定在後來的五六十年一百年台灣的穩定發展"},{"start":161.599,"end":186.63,"text":"這是一個另外再來就是說如果說啦人口數很少的把它全部都弄成政務官改成政務官其實乍聽一下好像很對喔但如果是這樣的話有很多縣轄的鄉鎮市它的人口也超過十幾萬那你們要怎麼處理"},{"start":187.611,"end":189.933,"text":"那個姓霞市他也叫市長喔他也鎮長喔這人口都超過十幾萬喔他的"},{"start":196.072,"end":223.684,"text":"他的時候要不要全部改成政務官部長你認為你只要回答要不要就好時間的關係我覺得不公平啦對所以造成不公平嘛所以我認為都可以討論今天的這個議題真的很大但真的需要討論真的我覺得這個不然你說一個縣然後我縣下市怎麼辦縣下市有二十幾萬人口的對不對對啊這個我覺得要通盤的去考量另外"},{"start":224.424,"end":253.565,"text":"我還是覺得說像有的委員提出來在直轄市裡面的原住民的區原住民的區他有選區長對不對對他有沒有選代表會有都有都有嘛所以他跟直轄市裡面的區其實是不一樣的喔對不對他的預算要經過代表會審查要不要財政部"},{"start":256.196,"end":284.047,"text":"要這個要要嘛對不對那其他的區要不要其他的沒有據我了解是沒有不是沒有是根本不需要他沒有代表會你怎麼會會代表會對不對所以整個直轄市的原住民的區他其實有他的自治的精神在對不對部長對嘛他有他的自治的精神在那他有自治的精神在我區長看你不順眼我區長就不給你錢"},{"start":285.467,"end":299.888,"text":"他代表會 他又要接受代表會的監督哇 這個區長怎麼做那乾脆你當初就不要民選嘛那你民選的就要給他一個民選的精神在我覺得不管怎麼樣 不管黨派我們要就事論事"},{"start":300.689,"end":313.313,"text":"他有他這個精神在他有他這個精神在我們也要去修法或是討論如何讓這一個能夠符合比較地方自治的精神所以我剛質詢的大概有三個重點三個層次我覺得都可以討論啊不過"},{"start":317.659,"end":339.535,"text":"我相信如果今天這樣子來討論的話我覺得恐怕時間太趕我真的覺得應該就這幾個案子內政部跟財政部跟什麼行政院應該要去好好的通盤規劃然後下個會期什麼的來跟我們大家一起做一個"},{"start":340.956,"end":362.837,"text":"檢討然後呢在這段期間所有立法委員去收集資料好好來討論我覺得就這樣啦那你如果說行政院那真不會很忙啊如果比照今天這個精神行政院就這三個副院長就可以處理很多事情了啊對不對都可以去做啊對不對重點是回來啦我真的覺得今天這個議題很大啊我也認為要討論我真的也認為要討論"},{"start":365.259,"end":390.359,"text":"但是我真的希望說行政院內政部尤其行政院各部會這也牽涉到財政部還有很多的單位而且也牽涉到權序部人事行政部因為這個太多了你們應該要去做一個通盤規劃來跟內政委員會來跟立法院做一個報告然後我們來好好的處理好不好 部長你認為勒"},{"start":391.922,"end":400,"text":"謝謝委員指教我們需要比較完整的配套措施那單獨修一個法條的話確實會有疏漏好謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:27:09+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T10:27:12.173500+08:00","text":"請劉部長跟財政部次長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-13T10:27:12.173500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T10:27:15.347000+08:00","text":"請劉部長、阮次長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:27:15.347000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:28:05.533000+08:00","text":"今天很多案子我認為其實都有討論的空間，首先第一個，部長，縣市首長本身的能力應該很重要，如何把這個城市治理得好，我認為很重要，如果大家都以幾百萬人口等等要設幾個副市長，我覺得對我們新北市非常不公平，我們新北市人口那麼多，如果照這樣講，我們要有4個、5個，不然市長怎麼有能力把事情做好，好像都忘記了市長，對不對？","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:28:05.533000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:28:12.877000+08:00","text":"而且如果臺北市的人口白天多很多，是不是說我們新北市白天人口減少？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:28:13.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:28:19.440000+08:00","text":"你們是不是指桑罵槐在罵我們新北市的市長做不好，所以白天都要去臺北市工作？","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:28:20.081000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:28:23.302000+08:00","text":"我覺得不能從這個角度去看事情，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:28:23.302000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:28:40.598000+08:00","text":"所以副市長要幾個可以討論，但我覺得不應該從人口數，應該從地理環境、面積等等，我覺得內政部其實應該要審慎思考，去訂一個大家都信服的標準，部長，你認為呢？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T10:28:43.176000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:29:14.294000+08:00","text":"謝謝召委的提點，我剛剛針對這12個案子已經有提到，其實我們比較擔心的有點是兩端，有錢的越有錢、人越多越優秀；窮的越窮、人越少越不優秀，這樣子反而會影響到全體臺灣在地方制度上面的差異，所以我們有提到差異性的規範要能夠制定出來，讓包括我們的行政單位或者是地方政府，還有立法委員都能夠同意，我想這個是最好的一個方向。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T10:29:14.814000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:29:19.677000+08:00","text":"但是因為太快，而且每個委員的提案真的是都發散，我們比較不容易凝聚共識。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:29:20.817000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:29:51.260000+08:00","text":"我知道，所以部長，我真的認為你們應該要有這個心，然後去把它做一個整體的規劃，甚至我一直在強調的，臺灣的行政區劃其實到該檢討的時候了，真的是該檢討了，不能以現行的制度去做，要長治久安，真的要檢討，我真的很期望部長拿出你的魄力，別人不敢做的，我們給它做，奠定後來5、60年、100年臺灣的穩定發展，這是一個。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:29:51.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:30:15.610000+08:00","text":"另外，如果人口數很少的把它全部都弄成政務官、改成政務官，其實乍聽之下好像很對，但如果是這樣的話，有很多縣轄的鄉鎮市，它的人口也超過十幾萬，你們要怎麼處理？","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:30:16.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:30:18.513000+08:00","text":"那個縣轄市他也叫市長、他也叫鎮長喔！","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:30:18.573000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:30:26.793000+08:00","text":"人口都超過十幾萬，要不要全部改成政務官？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:30:27.593000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:30:29.374000+08:00","text":"部長，你認為呢？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:30:29.374000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:30:32.435000+08:00","text":"你只要回答要不要就好，時間的關係。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T10:30:32.435000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:30:33.115000+08:00","text":"我覺得不公平。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:30:34.736000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:30:36.037000+08:00","text":"對，造成不公平嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:30:36.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:30:47.041000+08:00","text":"所以我認為都可以討論，今天的這個議題真的很大，真的需要討論，不然你說一個縣，那縣轄市怎麼辦？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:30:47.041000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:30:50.203000+08:00","text":"縣轄市有二十幾萬人口，對不對？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:30:50.623000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:30:52.044000+08:00","text":"我覺得要通盤的去考量。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:30:52.504000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:31:08.535000+08:00","text":"另外，我還是覺得像有的委員提出來，在直轄市裡面的原住民的區，原住民的區有選區長，對不對？對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:31:08.695000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:31:09.936000+08:00","text":"有沒有選代表會？有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:31:11.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:31:12.017000+08:00","text":"都有嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:31:12.478000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:31:17.681000+08:00","text":"所以它跟直轄市裡面的區其實是不一樣的，對不對？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:31:17.881000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:31:21.444000+08:00","text":"它的預算要不要經過代表會審查？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:31:22.405000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:31:27.037000+08:00","text":"財政部。要。要嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:31:27.277000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:31:27.797000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:31:27.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:31:29.718000+08:00","text":"那其他的區要不要？","quality":1},{"speaker":"阮次長清華","start":"2025-01-13T10:31:30.438000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:31:32.239000+08:00","text":"其他的據我了解是沒有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:31:32.779000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:31:37.881000+08:00","text":"不是沒有，是根本不需要，它沒有代表會，對不對？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:31:37.881000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:31:46.784000+08:00","text":"所以整個直轄市原住民的區其實有自治的精神在，對不對？部長。對。對嘛！","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:31:47.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:31:58.773000+08:00","text":"它有自治的精神在，那有自治的精神在，區長看你不順眼就不給你錢，他又要接受代表會的監督，那這個區長怎麼做？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:31:59.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:32:00.957000+08:00","text":"乾脆當初就不要民選嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:32:02.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:32:05.163000+08:00","text":"民選了就要給他一個民選的精神在。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:32:05.303000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:32:19.812000+08:00","text":"我覺得不管怎麼樣，不管黨派，我們要就事論事，既然有這個精神在，我們也要去修法或是討論，如何讓這個能夠比較符合地方自治的精神。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:32:20.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:32:22.273000+08:00","text":"所以我剛剛質詢的大概有3個重點、3個層次，我覺得都可以討論啊！","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:32:22.293000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:32:54.841000+08:00","text":"不過我相信如果今天這樣子來討論的話，恐怕時間太趕，我真的覺得就這幾個案子，內政部、財政部跟行政院應該要去好好的通盤規劃，下個會期來跟我們大家一起做個檢討，在這段期間，所有立法委員去蒐集資料，好好來討論，我覺得就這樣啦！","quality":0.99},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:32:56.062000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:33:04.730000+08:00","text":"行政院、內政部也很忙，如果比照今天這個精神，行政院設3個副院長就可以處理很多事情了，對不對？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:33:04.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:33:05.371000+08:00","text":"都可以去做。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:33:07.032000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:33:37.258000+08:00","text":"重點是我真的覺得今天這個議題很大，我也認為要討論，我真的也認為要討論，但是我真的希望行政院、內政部，尤其行政院各部會，因為牽涉到財政部還有很多的單位，而且也牽涉到銓敘部、人事行政總處，因為這個太多了，你們應該要去做一個通盤規劃，來跟內政委員會、來跟立法院做一個報告，然後我們來好好的處理啦！","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:33:37.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:33:38.178000+08:00","text":"好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:33:38.358000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:33:39.339000+08:00","text":"部長，你認為呢？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T10:33:40.922000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:33:47.396000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員指教，我們需要比較完整的配套措施，單獨修一個法條的話，確實會有疏漏。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2025-01-13T10:33:48.979000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T10:33:49+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-13T10:33:49.500000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T10:33:57.785714+08:00","text":"部長，我們立法院一讀通過的法案，你們內政部、各部會應該都看得到吧？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-13T10:33:58.085714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T10:33:59.514286+08:00","text":"都會知道嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-13T10:33:59.814286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T10:35:01.814286+08:00","text":"所以本席今天會把整個地制法有一讀通過的都排進來，主要就是發現好像都是內政委員會排案之後，部會才開始要著手進行，所以今天排出來之後，我們尊重所有的委員，如果覺得要再深入討論或沒有共識的，當然是可以之後更加深的再多幾次討論，但是本席在這裡也希望內政委員會相關的各部會，特別是內政部，已經一讀通過的，相信每個召委都有可能隨時排案，所以希望大家也可以開始著手，針對委員有提案的能夠開始來進行，但是沒關係，因為今天這樣把所有案子放進來以後，內政部就會開始重視今天所有的案子了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-13T10:35:02.114286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T10:35:09.828571+08:00","text":"好，請加速進行，不要下次再排案的時候，你們還是沒準備好，好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-13T10:35:10.128571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T10:35:11.128571+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-13T10:35:11.428571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T10:35:14.285714+08:00","text":"我們接著請王美惠委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}