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原由都不清楚那就更不用講說 我們還會瞭解到過去很多國家列強當時在我們中華民國在我們中華民國領土上面 那麼他們是如何的壓霸"},{"start":709.45,"end":733.784,"text":"如何的藐視我們這個中華民國的司法所以我覺得這個部分是很重要的那麼本席呢也希望你們回去能夠趕快去修改你們司法院的網頁而不是那麼強調所謂的日治時期的這個法律那麼要了解就是你們現在司法院的網頁上面是割裂的在整個台灣"},{"start":737.572,"end":764.861,"text":"國民政府遷到台灣的這段時間的法制是真空的你們記錄大法官解釋從86號解釋才開始在談那前面從第一號到第85號解釋就是復職缺乳也沒有在講細談這部分的整個法制的經過所以我認為說司法院還有法務部其實在你們法制教育上面應該要好好的再加強這個部分"},{"start":767.05,"end":794.508,"text":"那麼今天院秘書長沒有來啦副秘書長沒有來所以呢麻煩請把我的意見帶回去給副秘書長要趕快著手的來修改這個網頁那也麻煩部長請你們在法務部的網頁上面也要清楚的記名為什麼要紀念司法節吧司法節不是只有去感謝這個司法院的法官們對不對檢察官相關司法人員也都需要一併了解這個司法節的由來"},{"start":796.846,"end":797.147,"text":"謝謝翁委員 謝謝部長 謝謝廳長"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}