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原由都不清楚那就更不用講說 我們還會瞭解到過去很多國家列強當時在我們中華民國在我們中華民國領土上面 那麼他們是如何的壓霸"},{"start":709.45,"end":733.784,"text":"如何的藐視我們這個中華民國的司法所以我覺得這個部分是很重要的那麼本席呢也希望你們回去能夠趕快去修改你們司法院的網頁而不是那麼強調所謂的日治時期的這個法律那麼要了解就是你們現在司法院的網頁上面是割裂的在整個台灣"},{"start":737.572,"end":764.861,"text":"國民政府遷到台灣的這段時間的法制是真空的你們記錄大法官解釋從86號解釋才開始在談那前面從第一號到第85號解釋就是復職缺乳也沒有在講細談這部分的整個法制的經過所以我認為說司法院還有法務部其實在你們法制教育上面應該要好好的再加強這個部分"},{"start":767.05,"end":794.508,"text":"那麼今天院秘書長沒有來啦副秘書長沒有來所以呢麻煩請把我的意見帶回去給副秘書長要趕快著手的來修改這個網頁那也麻煩部長請你們在法務部的網頁上面也要清楚的記名為什麼要紀念司法節吧司法節不是只有去感謝這個司法院的法官們對不對檢察官相關司法人員也都需要一併了解這個司法節的由來"},{"start":796.846,"end":797.147,"text":"謝謝翁委員 謝謝部長 謝謝廳長"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:06:21.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:06:21.463000+08:00","text":"主席好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:06:22.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:06:30.730000+08:00","text":"首先有請部長，還有司法院應該是刑事廳廳長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-13T11:06:30.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:06:32.031000+08:00","text":"有請鄭部長跟李廳長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T11:06:33.873000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:06:33.873000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:06:36.935000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:07:38.402000+08:00","text":"我想今天一開始，有很多委員就已經針對為什麼今天要安排專報的事情講了很多了，本席當然對於鍾佳濱召委在禮拜五下午臨時變更議程的事情，我也是感到不解和不滿，一開始我還在想鍾委員、鍾召委一直對於稅務行政事件審理法草案積極地推動，所以大概是想利用會期結束之前趕快排案要加速審理，結果沒想到3個小時之後就看到又變更議程，變更議程我一開始還沒有意會過來，仔細想了一下才發現原來是為了禮拜六「111釘孤枝」的活動。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:07:38.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:08:29.718000+08:00","text":"但是對本席而言，我更感到訝異的是，司法院和法務部大概是打破過去的一些慣例，非常快速地在當天晚上就已經提了司法院的報告書、還有法務部的報告書，我記得司法院的報告書，我這裡收到大概是晚上六點多、7點的時候，法務部大概也就再晚個半小時左右，其實在過去司法及法制委員會是非常、非常難看到有這麼迅速就提出報告書的情況，這讓本席不禁懷疑，是不是你們都已經套招套好了？","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:08:32.259000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:08:42.562000+08:00","text":"我想請司法院李廳長能不能先回復一下，而且我也感到奇怪為什麼今天你們副秘書長沒有來，是由你們幾位廳長來代理？","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:08:44.716000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:09:02.038000+08:00","text":"現在司法院已經沒有秘書長了，是由副秘書長代理秘書長，結果現在竟然連來立法院接受備詢的副秘書長也沒來，是由廳長來代理，這樣其實不是很尊重立法委員。","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"李廳長釱任","start":"2025-01-13T11:09:02.038000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T11:09:05.574000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李廳長釱任","start":"2025-01-13T11:09:05.574000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:09:10.396000+08:00","text":"有關於剛剛委員懷疑司法院是不是有套招情形，這個是沒有啦！","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"李廳長釱任","start":"2025-01-13T11:09:10.776000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:09:27.064000+08:00","text":"因為這個相關議題我們是當天下午才收到，我們緊急的討論要提供報告出來給司法及法制委員會；至於副秘書長的部分，因為他有跟主席請假，今天由我們兩位廳長出席接受質詢。","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:09:28.348000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:09:40.812000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝李廳長，當然我還是希望以後副秘書長在正式秘書長沒有上任之前，該來立法院接受備詢的還是要來。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:09:42.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:10:11.631000+08:00","text":"我在第一時間就看到司法院的報告，確實我不能說你們套招，這個對你們也不對，事實上司法院一開始就已經表態了，認為妨害司法公正罪的草案現在也還在討論當中，更何況這是涉及到憲法對於人民集會遊行自由的權利保障，所以不會有違反妨害司法公正罪的情況。","quality":0.928},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:10:13.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:10:41.731000+08:00","text":"法務部倒是很有趣，部長在報告書裡面把現行的相關條文全部都列舉出來了，這其實會讓不明就裡的人以為像小草或是其他當天去參加111活動的民眾，去了之後就有可能會觸犯妨害公正罪等等的刑法相關罪責。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:10:42.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:11:15.393000+08:00","text":"最重要的，其實我覺得你們在報告書上面沒有搞清楚現在妨害司法公正罪只是一個草案，可是最後一段看起來會讓人家誤以為妨害司法公正罪已經通過了，針對這部分，可能要請部長回去再看一下你們之前提交的報告書，還是有必要要叫下面的同仁注意法案進行的情況。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:11:15.393000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:11:27.333000+08:00","text":"接下來第二個議題，我想請教司法院，雖然今天副秘書長沒來，不過我想你們都是一體的，有些議題應該還是可以講。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:11:27.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:11:47.489000+08:00","text":"基本上，上週五立法院針對行政院所提出的憲訴法覆議案予以否決了，在這裡本席還是有幾個問題想要請教，行政院提出覆議案認為憲訴法窒礙難行，這個部分有跟司法院進行討論嗎？","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"李廳長釱任","start":"2025-01-13T11:11:47.489000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T11:11:49.261000+08:00","text":"這部分沒有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:11:49.261000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:11:50.683000+08:00","text":"司法院有提供意見嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李廳長釱任","start":"2025-01-13T11:11:50.683000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:11:57.489000+08:00","text":"沒有，這部分沒有，據我所了解是沒有，雖然這個不是我的業管，但是據我所了解是沒有的。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:11:57.649000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:12:04.856000+08:00","text":"都沒有，所以現在行政院提出窒礙難行的理由完全是行政院自己的憑空想像，對不對？","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:12:04.856000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:12:05.217000+08:00","text":"司法院基本上並沒有覺得窒礙難行嘛！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"李廳長釱任","start":"2025-01-13T11:12:10.658000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:12:24.939000+08:00","text":"這個部分不是我的業管，因為這是書記廳的權責範圍，我想這部分我的回答並不是……就我所了解是沒有啦，只能跟委員這樣報告。","quality":0.827},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:12:26+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:12:30.944000+08:00","text":"如果你們真的有跟行政院一起討論的話，這也是有問題啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:12:33.646000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:12:54.321000+08:00","text":"對於憲訴法的通過，我們在過去的委員會裡面，其實都有進行一些討論，也知道司法院基本上還是採保留的態度，還是擔心大法官會議萬一不能夠運作，會不會影響到人民的釋憲權利，可是請問一下，大法官現在到底有沒有在開會？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:12:57.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:12:58.495000+08:00","text":"憲訴法通過之後，大法官會開會嗎？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"李廳長釱任","start":"2025-01-13T11:12:58.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:13:02.498000+08:00","text":"委員，真的很抱歉，這個不是我的業管，我沒辦法在這邊回答。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:13:03.539000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:13:11.745000+08:00","text":"對，就是這個問題，因為這不是你的業管，所以你什問題都不能回答，該是副秘書長來還是要讓副秘書長來，他才能回答這些問題，對不對？","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:13:11.745000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:13:41.433000+08:00","text":"更何況我們現在講了，憲訴法如果總統能夠儘速地通過，通過之後，固然現在憲法法庭可能沒有辦法作成實體的裁判，尤其是在宣告法律違憲的判決，至少必須要九個人，但是這並不代表大法官沒事做啊！","quality":0.916},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:13:42.434000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:13:44.416000+08:00","text":"大法官還是有很多的事情要做，對不對？","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:13:45.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:13:59.670000+08:00","text":"去審理相關的裁定受不受理，或者還有其他的一些判決研析事項，他們是可以做的，只是低度運作，並不是不能運作。","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:14:01.291000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:14:18.699000+08:00","text":"針對這個部分，其實司法院要搞清楚狀況，現在行政院提出覆議案的理由，口口聲聲說憲法法庭會癱瘓、可能會影響到人民的釋憲權利，這根本就是在造謠、根本就是在說謊，怎麼可能會癱瘓？","quality":0.61},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:14:22.062000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:14:39.597000+08:00","text":"就算是現在憲訴法通過立刻生效，大法官只是短時間的低度運作，還是要看賴總統什麼時候要提出第二批的大法官名單，所以基本上不會有所謂癱瘓憲法法庭的問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:14:43.416000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:15:00.591000+08:00","text":"接下來我還要再提另外一個議題，就是1月11號……雖然民眾知道的是「釘孤枝」的活動，可是當天最重要的其實還是司法節，請問廳長知道司法節的由來嗎？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"李廳長釱任","start":"2025-01-13T11:15:08.735000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:15:20.006000+08:00","text":"說實在的，我不是很清楚，不過委員已經在簡報上面把它寫出來了，我想我就不用在這邊再重複說明。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:15:21.228000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:15:25.792000+08:00","text":"我真的認為你們都應該去了解一下，不曉得部長知不知道司法節的由來？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-01-13T11:15:29.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:15:40.128000+08:00","text":"我不清楚司法節的由來，謝謝委員把司法節的由來……","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:15:40.128000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:15:47.871000+08:00","text":"大家都只知道司法節我們應該要感謝勞苦功高的司法人員，可是卻忘記司法節的由來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:15:49.391000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:15:56.816000+08:00","text":"針對這個部分，我認為法務部未來在你們的網頁上面，還有司法院在你們的網頁上面，都應該好好的強調司法節的由來是什麼。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:15:57.757000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:16:15.923000+08:00","text":"這次也是因為有新聞揭露在司法院的網站上面，竟然把司法節講得非常的簡單，只有在兒童版的網頁上面才把司法節的由來講清楚，為什麼會有司法節？","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:16:15.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:16:49.518000+08:00","text":"就是因為從鴉片戰爭以來，其實各國列強與中國簽訂了非常多不平等條約，包含外國人在中國的大陸領土裡面犯罪都不構成犯罪，一直到抗戰之後，我們才廢除了種種不平等治外法權的條約，在1943年1月1號重新與各國訂定新的平等條約，因此才將1月11日這一天訂為司法節。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:16:49.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:17:19.041000+08:00","text":"這一段歷史是很重要的，可是在司法院的網頁上面，我們看看你們是怎麼講這些司法的沿革，你們現在把整個中國法制史割裂成只有日治時代的法制史，我覺得這是極為不妥的。","quality":0.877},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:17:21.044000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:18:00.774000+08:00","text":"部長和幾位廳長都是在司法界德高望重的前輩，而且是非常重量級的法律人，如果大家連為什麼要慶祝司法節的緣由都不清楚，那就更不用講還會了解很多列強當時在中華民國的領土上面是如何的鴨霸、如何的藐視中華民國的司法，所以我覺得這個部分是很重要的。","quality":0.928},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:18:01.394000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:18:49.841000+08:00","text":"本席也希望你們回去之後能夠趕快修改司法院的網頁，而不是那麼強調日治時期的法律，你們要了解現在司法院的網頁上面是割裂的，在國民政府遷到臺灣這一段時間的法制是真空的，你們記錄大法官解釋是從第86號解釋才開始在談，前面從第1號到第85號解釋付諸闕如，也沒有在細談整個法制的經過，所以我認為司法院和法務部在你們的法治教育上面，應該要好好的再加強這個部分。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2025-01-13T11:18:52.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:19:19.508000+08:00","text":"因為今天副秘書長沒有來，所以麻煩請把我的意見帶回去給副秘書長，要趕快著手修改網頁，同時也麻煩部長，請你們在法務部的網頁上面也要清楚的載明為什麼要紀念司法節，司法節並不是只有去感謝司法院的法官們，包括檢察官及相關司法人員，也都需要一併了解司法節的由來，謝謝。","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-13T11:19:21.846000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T11:19:22.147000+08:00","text":"謝謝翁委員，謝謝部長，謝謝廳長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-13T11:19:22.647000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T11:19:25.789857+08:00","text":"接下來請王委員鴻薇發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}