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而是要廣泛的公聽"},{"start":485.467,"end":500.92,"text":"台灣是不是要更進步讓婦女的參政可以提升到三分之一而且我要講不是婦女參政它是單一性別未來可能保障的也是男性的從政者所以說我們需要更多的社會的公聽讓各界的意見可以進來所以依此我希望未來在這個地質法33條的討論能夠有公聽會變成今天已經排審的議案以及我也期許我也要求"},{"start":513.59,"end":532.897,"text":"內政部對於這樣女性單一性別三分之一的參政的保障部裡頭應當可以積極研議部長您的看法呢非常謝謝幹事長的提點我想今天大部分討論的意願方面有關於四分之一變成女性參政的一個盲點"},{"start":533.997,"end":558.696,"text":"所以我們把它降到三分之一的話有助於未來尤其是基層的這個民代包括鄉鎮市區的民代會有更多優秀的女性來參政或者是更多優秀的年輕人那我們一定會從修法的方向趕快提出來那也希望說包括內政委員會或是我們的大院能夠也用這個配套措施的方式來幫忙把地方制度法33條修正的更好"},{"start":559.156,"end":563.358,"text":"所以部裡頭應當會有院版提出來支持這樣子的倡議嗎如果希望我們提會比較快的話我們當然可以提沒有問題那希望部裡頭能夠有正向的進步的行政院版的修法我們連同今天的法案再次懇請召委"},{"start":577.366,"end":586.616,"text":"不需要為快而快我們可以召開更多的公聽會來收集各界的意見連同今天很多的提案事實上也都欠缺社會的討論也不需要一再的只按下快轉鍵"},{"start":591.209,"end":611.238,"text":"那我也不知道今天按下了快轉鍵什麼時候召委又按下暫停鍵大家領巾審完的不知道會不會送出去不好意思今天佔用一點時間基本上我認為內政委員會我跑這麼多委員會發言的時間永遠最短沒有辦法暢所欲言但謝謝主席給我多一點的時間辛苦了謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2025-01-13T12:07:08.581000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:07:08.581000+08:00","text":"4加1！","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2025-01-13T12:07:10.342000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:07:14.164000+08:00","text":"內政委員會都是如此的惜字如金，只有4加1！","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2025-01-13T12:07:14.784000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:07:15.625000+08:00","text":"可是今天有好多內容。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2025-01-13T12:07:16.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:07:17.846000+08:00","text":"有請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T12:07:17.846000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:07:18.166000+08:00","text":"幹事長，你好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2025-01-13T12:07:36.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:07:54.200000+08:00","text":"因為今天一次排了非常多議案，所以我也要懇請主席，如果有這麼多議案，需要有充分的時間讓大家可以對話，甚至很多議案地方政府還沒有聚焦過，很多財源如何能夠籌措也都完全沒有討論，所以該有公聽會的，我們都不要僭越了充分討論才是民主這樣的精神。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2025-01-13T12:07:54.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:07:54.780000+08:00","text":"我非常遺憾！","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2025-01-13T12:07:54.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:08:28.136000+08:00","text":"部長，除擔任部長之外，您過去也擔任過立委，擔任過行政院秘書長，行政立法協調您非常的熟悉，你有沒有看過哪個案子在立法院三讀通過之後可以不送出立法院、不讓總統進行後續的公告？","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2025-01-13T12:08:29.657000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:08:38.902000+08:00","text":"按下快轉鍵的也是立法委員，按下暫停鍵的也是立法委員，而且剛好都是我們的徐欣瑩召委。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T12:08:40.348000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:08:44.630000+08:00","text":"我尊重委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2025-01-13T12:08:44.630000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T12:08:45.630000+08:00","text":"你有看過這個情形嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T12:08:44.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:08:53.714000+08:00","text":"以前在行政院秘書長的時候，我們在協調法案都知道三讀通過以後就按照一定的時程，目前這個狀況比較少聽過，但是我們還是要尊重大院。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2025-01-13T12:08:53.714000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T12:08:54.714000+08:00","text":"幾乎沒有發生過……對。","quality":0.125},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2025-01-13T12:08:53.734000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:08:56.575000+08:00","text":"我看在野黨委員舉了一些例子，說過去也曾經發生過，但是牛頭不對馬嘴。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2025-01-13T12:09:06.479000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:09:10.241000+08:00","text":"過去曾經發生過的是行政部門剛好有其他的相關法案就在當下排審當中，所以由行政立法兩院磋商之後，認為可以併同其他的法律審查過後，再一併送請總統公告，這是既有的慣例，也是唯一有的慣例，不是在野黨委員說的「過去都這樣，所以現在可以」。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2025-01-13T12:09:35.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:09:50.659000+08:00","text":"現在用委員會召委的一紙公文就暫停咨請總統公布立法院三讀過後的法律，這種選擇性影響公告法律的期程前所未見！","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2025-01-13T12:09:50.659000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:09:53.020000+08:00","text":"前所未見！","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2025-01-13T12:09:53.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:09:54.881000+08:00","text":"從來沒有發生過！","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2025-01-13T12:09:54.881000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:09:57.322000+08:00","text":"召委可以比院長大嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2025-01-13T12:09:57.322000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:10:00.002000+08:00","text":"召委可以比憲法大嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2025-01-13T12:10:00.002000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:10:05.976000+08:00","text":"召委可以不顧113個立委審議通過的法案嗎？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2025-01-13T12:10:07.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:10:24.448000+08:00","text":"在內政委員會，就選罷法好了，可以1分鐘送出委員會，按下快轉鍵的是徐欣瑩召委，按下法律三讀過後不移送總統咨請公告暫停鍵的也是徐欣瑩召委，過去從來沒有發生過！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2025-01-13T12:10:27.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:10:43.953000+08:00","text":"回到今天的地方制度法，完全沒有經過多方（不管是社會、專業界或者是各級政府）的討論，我真的還是希望妥善的討論，再行處理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2025-01-13T12:10:45.35400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average數字來看，女性的參政率已經來到29.56%，臺灣等於實質具備女性參政達三分之一的這種民主經驗，但是小選區應選席次少於4席的話，就不適用四分之一的婦女保障名額，以致於現在全國681個鄉鎮市選區裡頭有46%（315區）是0女性，越偏鄉人數越少，越基層、越地方，女性的參政相對就沒有如同我在臺北市都會區受到這麼多公民的肯定，而全國的議員選區也有22%沒有半位女性。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2025-01-13T12:14:40.539000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:14:43.420000+08:00","text":"我想我們身為女力，對於女力從政，今天因為剛好看到地制法第三十三條被放進來審議，所以我藉這個機會提出，民進黨黨團還有倡議的范雲委員，我們未來會循正式的程序再來提案列案，我相信同為女性的徐欣瑩召委也一定會支持。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2025-01-13T12:14:43.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:15:13.671000+08:00","text":"這個議案今天也許來不及，我也認為，不是提案就要審查、就要通過，而是要廣泛的公聽，臺灣是不是要更進步，讓婦女的參政保障可以提升到三分之一？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2025-01-13T12:15:14.211000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:15:45.253000+08:00","text":"而且我要講不是婦女參政，它是單一性別，未來保障的也可能是男性的從政者，我們需要更多社會的公聽，讓各界的意見可以進來，因此我希望未來在地制法第三十三條的討論能夠有公聽會，併同今天已經排審的議案，我也期許、要求內政部，對於這樣單一性別三分之一的參政保障，部裡頭應當可以積極研議。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2025-01-13T12:15:45.253000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:15:46.133000+08:00","text":"部長，您的看法呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T12:15:46.573000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:16:22.676000+08:00","text":"非常謝謝幹事長的提點，我想今天大部分討論的意願方面，四分之一變成女性參政的一個盲點，所以我們把它提升到三分之一的話，有助於未來，尤其是基層民代，包括鄉鎮市區的民代，會有更多優秀的女性或者是更多優秀的年輕人來參政，我們一定會就這個修法的方向趕快提出來，也希望，包括內政委員會或是大院，能夠用配套措施的方式幫忙把地方制度法第三十三條修正得更好。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2025-01-13T12:16:23.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:16:24.497000+08:00","text":"所以部裡頭應當會有院版提出，來支持這樣子的倡議嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T12:16:24.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:16:25.717000+08:00","text":"如果希望我們提會比較快的話，我們當然可以提沒有問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2025-01-13T12:16:25.737000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:17:03.112000+08:00","text":"好，希望部裡頭能夠有正向的、進步的行政院版修法，連同今天的法案，我們再次懇請召委，不需要為快而快，我們可以召開更多公聽會，來蒐集各界的意見，連同今天很多的提案，事實上，也都欠缺社會的討論，也不需要一再的只按下快轉鍵，我也不知道今天按下了快轉鍵，什麼時候召委又按下暫停鍵，大家認真審完的也不知道會不會送出去。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2025-01-13T12:17:04.673000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:17:15.238000+08:00","text":"抱歉今天占用一點時間，基本上我認為，我跑這麼多委員會，內政委員會發言的時間永遠最短，沒有辦法暢所欲言，但謝謝主席給我多一點的時間，辛苦了，謝謝。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-13T12:17:15.738000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T12:17:21.166571+08:00","text":"您用的時間已經跟其他委員會一樣多了，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-13T12:17:21.466571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T12:17:42.038000+08:00","text":"本席在這裡要特別說明，民進黨不要太緊張，來到內政委員會特別緊張，很多事情不要都是政治考量，我們歡迎吳思瑤幹事長，下午我們在討論的時候是可以一起來的，沒有問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-13T12:17:42.338000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T12:17:54.338000+08:00","text":"再來就是我們尊重每一位委員的質詢跟發言，但是本席對於斷章取義或者是栽贓、造謠，本席深表遺憾。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-13T12:17:54.638000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T12:18:15.209429+08:00","text":"再來第三點，一邊不給開會、霸占主席臺干擾議事的是民進黨，一邊又說要討論，然後人海戰術、冗長發言的也是民進黨，所以我們也請社會大眾，大家可以透過轉播，這個自有公論。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-13T12:18:15.509429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T12:18:19.509429+08:00","text":"接著繼續進行，本席請牛煦庭委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}