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我剛有提到就是我並不反對因為這是最後到大院來做最後的決定或者是說有黨團寫上我都尊重但是我特別提到所謂的增加一個副市長或增加一個副縣長那你下面的工作還有你未來的財政收支劃分譬如說你增加一個副縣長能不能爭取更多的經費或者爭取更多的這個財源那這個部分的很多限制"},{"start":418.271,"end":435.977,"text":"一開放到縣市政府去談的時候他所有的意見都會一起來那我剛跟很多人報告了不是不是你剛這個回答就有一個問題就是說今天開放但是他要不要設到天花板要不要這個"},{"start":438.414,"end":457.466,"text":"副縣長或副市長要不要到規定法定的天花板首長他可以決定嘛所以他也可以維持現狀啊您剛剛也回答了啊如果你按照這樣講說他要維持現狀我也沒意見我也沒意見當然因為您也只能說沒意見因為不好意思說贊成嘛不是"},{"start":458.877,"end":461.679,"text":"我覺得還在審慎一點我的意思是說我們要把這個法律上面的規範講清楚那法律上的規範講清楚現在我們盡量在迴避因為所有的縣市長都是民選我們就盡量迴避藍綠縣市長之間這樣子不同的一個政治考量"},{"start":477.349,"end":497.859,"text":"所以我們必須要就是您說的民選有時候藍有時候綠這個誰也沒辦法預估所以我們現在譬如說你開放更多的副市長或開放更多的副縣長下一屆誰當選沒有人知道所以這個只有藍綠比較開放本席剛剛講那麼多就是我們掺著從過去到現在整個包含現在的社會狀況社會變遷需求"},{"start":501.081,"end":520.57,"text":"我們覺得你的天花板可以提高但樓地板你這個維持不變那你行政首長你有裁量權嘛那包含你要設的多那就像您說的當然這個我們下午可以討論就是一些裁員各方面的那但是本席要強調的是您所說的配套跟這個"},{"start":521.99,"end":545.362,"text":"訂出來這個今天要討論的法案他不抵觸嘛不抵觸啊我希望給其他的這個部會也有一個他們發聲的管道一起來討論不是說只有我的意見才是意見雖然是地方製度法的主管機關但是人跟市跟財源這三個事情最好能夠一併來考量好那我們下午可以好好討論謝謝部長"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2025-01-13T12:28:36.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:28:36.350000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T12:28:38.013000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:28:38.133000+08:00","text":"召委，你好。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2025-01-13T12:28:41.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:29:04.381000+08:00","text":"今天本席質詢就針對一點，因為我們時間有限，剛剛很多人也討論過，本席也發現部長是滿務實的，這段時間跟部長互動的過程，我發現您實事求是，所以我就查一下，發現原來您是一個優秀的理工人才，本身是理工背景出身。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T12:29:05.082000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:29:05.843000+08:00","text":"我跟你一樣都在工研院服務過。","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2025-01-13T12:29:07.985000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:29:18.477000+08:00","text":"我們今天就很多委員關心的直轄市副市長或縣市政府副縣長的議題來討論，我們希望不要政治考量，我們務實的來討論。","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2025-01-13T12:29:20.867000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:29:31.718000+08:00","text":"首先，目前直轄市的副市長跟縣市政府的副縣長可以分別設置2人跟1人，這個是從民國88年規定到現在，對不對？沒錯。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2025-01-13T12:29:32.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:29:49.289000+08:00","text":"已經經過了快30年，所以當時的時空背景，還有這二十幾年來的環境變遷，整個社會不斷的變遷，這個變化就很大了。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2025-01-13T12:29:50.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:30:09.897000+08:00","text":"所以我們調整副市長或副縣長，剛剛你有說，跨局處整合不只是副市長或副縣長，其實副縣長還有一個很重要的功能，就是縣長只有一個人，他需要分身，不然他難以分身啊！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2025-01-13T12:30:10.377000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:30:36.067000+08:00","text":"其實您也擔任過立委，我們在選區裡面，尤其直轄市或縣市，縣長有時候有重要會議要主持，有時候又有很多重要的工程或重要的行程，或者是要去傾聽地方的聲音，這都是一個行政首長需要具備的。","quality":0.988},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2025-01-13T12:30:36.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:30:57.138000+08:00","text":"所以本席接著請教您第二個問題，如果我們規定設3位副市長或2位副縣長，如果他不補滿，比如說，您說臺南市如果規劃3個副市長，他只想聘請2位可不可以？","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T12:30:57.838000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:30:58.419000+08:00","text":"我想沒有問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2025-01-13T12:30:58.419000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T12:30:59.419000+08:00","text":"可以嘛，對不對？對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T12:30:58.419000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:31:02.542000+08:00","text":"所以我剛剛說有天花板跟地板的問題。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2025-01-13T12:31:02.542000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:31:20.156000+08:00","text":"對，所以如果天花板訂3個，還有縣市政府訂2個，因為您剛剛私下也有跟我提，有些縣市政府增加一個副市長或副縣長會有財政的問題，就是可能會考量各方面……","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T12:31:20.156000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T12:31:21.337000+08:00","text":"人事的費用。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2025-01-13T12:31:21.337000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:31:28.426000+08:00","text":"對，那個就是行政首長，就是當時的市長或縣長自己要去考量的，所以他要聘3個、2個還是1個，我想這個首長自己會來規定。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2025-01-13T12:31:38.257000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:32:08.735000+08:00","text":"再來，本席也想請教您，您看，一個縣市不管是二十幾萬人口或是像新竹縣五十幾萬人口，它都有一位副縣長；任何一個直轄市，本席看了一下，人口最少的臺南市也有185萬，所以你看50萬的各縣市都有一位副縣長了，當人口多、幅員遼闊的時候，其實設置3個並不為過。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2025-01-13T12:32:08.895000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:32:46.858000+08:00","text":"然後您一直提到還有配套，本席認同您說的配套，但是那些配套跟增加副市長或副縣長的人數是不牴觸的，等於是副市長增加了，副縣長增加了，未來需要配套的，包括您說的有些單位的局處需要增加，確實，因為生活圈、因為環境的變化、因為時空等等各種的發展，它可能需要增加新的局處，這個都可以持續的討論，我們可以來想辦法讓它精益求精，越來越好。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2025-01-13T12:32:47.639000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:33:08.353000+08:00","text":"所以六個直轄市中，人口最少的都有185萬，最多的新北市有404萬，所以是不是我們給它一個法定的可以有3席，因為從185萬到404萬，我們是不是也可以考慮增加？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2025-01-13T12:33:08.613000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T12:33:29.793000+08:00","text":"就是法定有3席，如果人口怎麼樣的時候，它得再增加一席，這樣對於人口特別多、確實是分身乏術的首長來說，他可以就有副首長來代替他，您認同本席的說法嗎？","quality":0.877},{"sp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025-01-13T12:37:36.362000+08:00","text":"好，我們下午可以好好討論，謝謝部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-13T12:37:36.862000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T12:37:38.862000+08:00","text":"謝謝徐欣瑩召委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-13T12:37:39.162000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T12:37:42.304857+08:00","text":"下一位請鍾佳濱委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}